 All right, you know what? Okay, we're live now now. We're officially live. I don't know if that stiff rod Joe got in So we're just dedicating the show to stiff rod if it didn't start before it's starting now so stiff rod if you're out there watching Stiff rod. All right, here we go today guys This is it 1988 And of course we have our Special super special so he's not doesn't feel slighted 1988 guest host He warned us he might feel like a jilted lover if we go with somebody else for 1988 So we even invited them back because it's always a pleasure to have Todd on and I love it. Thanks for having me Todd has become like one of us now Just a goofball His credibility All right the list and let me tell everybody out there. There's been a lot of back and forth Yeah, controversy We listened to all your comments we read all your comments and of course some stuff again again, we're going back to 1988 and I've started to use this now Martin pop off a good friend of the show. Okay. This is the Bible, right? And so if it makes this list, okay? If we find an album in here the top 500 heavy metal albums of all time Which was voted on by the fans people like us people like you watching so if it made this book We're allowed to include it on our list as far as I'm concerned. That's like the dictionary Like the encyclopedia and in Martin's book 1988 fate is one two three four fifth place In years top of the top years. It comes in at number five just for your information Okay And and and just so you know Todd how Martin put it together be his father being a mathematician He actually went You know asking the fans and asking he statistically put this together Is what is the greatest album metal album of all time? And I think what was Metallica, right? Yeah Just so you know, I'm and this is not a year. This is just the greatest so it's a Like a sense it a consensus among the world or the US whoever wrote it whoever wrote it whoever wrote it I would say Yeah, probably You know we're in the global day and age, but they said that in that book The number one album by all metal fans is Master Puppets Metallica I could see that I could see that too. It wouldn't be my number one see if I could see that number 500 Black Tiger Y&T. We can come as well. I'd use hard rock. Why is it on the metal list? But here we go. Here's the metal voice shirt. I just want to put this post up I don't know if you both can see it and it was Tony Tony goes still heavy metal just less heavy. He lost a lot of weight Yeah, that's a really cool picture. He sent you know got a shirt not too long ago So I thought that was pretty funny and I like how he had them that metal show and then the metal voice So it's kind of like I Was the old in with the new All right, we have a word from our sponsor here yet That was the word from our sponsor Hint hint there you go It's also available on cassette Look at that. Who would have done that on cuz look at that a real keeper I had a box of cassettes and I just chuck them all gonna pull out a cassette there a spoiler alert Vixen did not make our top 10 Okay, Vixen did not make the top 10 too much air spray All right, here we are. All right, here we go. Let's go. There is there is one Contestation on this whole thing and we'll get to it. It's number seven. It's an either or you tell us what you think But we're starting off with number 10. I will put up the visuals Alan You can I'm just putting this on and in case you didn't get the latest version Ozzie no rest for the wicked. I mean Zach Wilde was in the band Ozzie's back to looking like Not no longer looking like a drag queen And I have to say it's a really strong song with their metal miracle man Which was his revenge on mr. Swagger Jimmy Swagger who? Dissed Ozzie for years and he got caught with his pants down So Ozzie was able to get his comeback is get back on mr. Jimmy Swagger and devil's daughter Crazy babies which I would say probably that and breaking all the rules of the hit hits off of that and the demon alcohol I don't know. I just thought it was a great great guitar album Ozzie back in form and Based on everything else I saw that year and I was not allowed to put David Lee Ross skyscraper Van Halen's OU812 so I decided to go with Oz. That's another thing we could talk about but Todd have you ever met Zach Wilde? Yeah, I'm friends with him. Okay Yeah, he's a super super cool guy Yeah, I mean he's awesome that was that that was the debut record for his for him Yeah, with Ozzie and I always loved miracle man. I thought that was that's probably my favorite track on the record You're busted and Bob daisley's back in the portrait your back a lot of rear writing the music and writing the lyrics and Yeah, they're on and off again relationship is back on so when double platinum in the United States on the bill board and you know, yeah, it was the fifth album and it was a return to sort of a harder edge, right? Whereas You know Andy Castillo on drums. Yeah, ultimate sin was a little bit off You know, what are we doing here a little too much pop a little melodic? But now they're back to that sort of dirty or sound even though the hairspray is still there Any last thoughts on that Todd? Not really. I mean It's it's a really good record And again miracle man for me is like the standout track. I know like crazy babies was a huge Hit, but I never really liked that song. It was just that the I just didn't like the phrasing of the But I love the guitar work in it. It was just I don't know just I didn't I didn't like the the verses and all that But miracle man for me is like it's such a killer album opener and yeah That's that's a noteworthy track for sure, but I mean that's You know, that was a huge break for Zach and Great guitarist. Oh, yeah Yep, he's a great singer too I think I All in when we went to heavy Montreal. He was there. Well, we never got that interview. Did we we're kind of waiting around? He was we tried we tried to get Yeah, but it's okay. It's all good. Um, I just want to say that what didn't make the list and all his little spoiler here Is this oh you wait one two and skyscraper? Thank goodness What like when we first show Todd version draft version two with oh you wait one two it's You kids go play somewhere else You want to do with your life So, I mean, okay, and I'm tossing it out to everybody should skyscraper by David Learoth and Van Halen Oh you wait one two should they have made this list Todd is saying completely forget about it But I mean I I would say skyscraper does have some merit I mean you have Billy Sheehan who's always been involved in rock and metal. He had Steve Vai who's the It's not metal. It's not metal You could have said it was metal Todd Skyscraper, okay. I mean I had that big hit metal. I Will let the comments weigh in all right and we'll see that was my contention. Oh parent parents it parents We listen to Todd we listen to Todd here and we said, you know what let's go to version three and our list and we remove that and we'll let you People out there tell us skyscraper and Van Halen all you wait one two Should they have been on the list and are they considered or were they? Considered looking bad everyone. Everyone is saying no Yeah, no, so well no because they're weak albums or no because they're they're not metalist I mean, they're just even if they were great records. They're not metal. So, okay, all right moving along The line has been drawn. I won't lie. This is one for Todd now. Yeah for Todd. Where's my album? Where it is? you know Here it is. I'm just gonna show everybody transcendence crimson glory. There you go This this is a band and Todd. Maybe you could speak to this. I'll let you speak. I have a little insight would think so I mean, let me see. Let me see something real quick Yeah, this This to me belongs way higher in the list, but it's on the list. So I will give some commentary I mean look crimson glory Was a somebody's asking where's the fed up it's in my fridge Crimson glory 100% Was a pioneering progressive metal band just like Queens, right? Okay, same same time frame They toured with Queen's Reich No one in my opinion No one ever sang with the emotional delivery and the passion Like midnight did now Dio sang with tons of passion But the crying the pain the delivery that midnight has to offer is Is unparalleled bar none in my opinion nobody comes close That song is among the crimson glory Audience is the is the record. That's the mind crime for Queen's Reich. That's their mind crime transcendence is is still Hailed as one of the best prog records of all time in the in the progressive metal genre So, yeah, it definitely belongs on the list. I think it belongs way higher as we get through them But I'm glad that it made the list Somebody's saying King Diamond does Listen, we'll get to that. We'll get yeah, I mean midnight's delivery is is is just It's sick and it made Martin pop off Spock, right Alan So, hey, let's check it out and and also also, you know, there's a ton the guitar work on it is Is some very it's very melodic. I mean if people aren't familiar with crimson glory I highly recommend when you were in the band did they make you wear that mask? Like they didn't make it. No, they didn't know they were okay They were also the first band that I've ever known of to for the whole band to wear a mask Now slipknot wears a mask a lot of bands wear masks Peter Gabriel wore a mask in Genesis But as far as the whole band goes crimson glory was the first band to wear full masks They ended up getting rid of it when I joined the band We ended up doing a 25th anniversary tour and we talked about doing the song lost reflection, which was a Fan favorite song that midnight sang It's it's just a very droning clean guitar thing and it's all about the vocal in that song. I had a They had a custom mask made for me That I wore on that tour And to people that don't get it. They might have thought it was ridiculous or silly or funny, but I think it's cool It's cool nice touch. Yeah, and it would be like it was like when kiss came back with the makeup again You're like, oh, wow, there it is. Yeah, and so they were very very forward-thinking band and Yeah, they're just a phenomenal band that does let me ask you this This is actually one of my favorite hard rock prog metal albums. Okay. I love this album. I mean you can't The similarities between midnight and Jeff Tate. I mean and and when you look at the The history of both bands it was the same time even though they came out with their albums a little later, right? But the bad and they tore it with Queen Drake. Wow, they did they oh, I don't know if they tore it They opened for Queen Drake But everybody thought they were a European band. Yeah, a lot of people didn't know they were a band from the US They're highly revered in Europe over here. They don't really have a big name Was it Jeff who took a little bit of midnight or was it midnight who took a little bit of jazz? In their voice Well, I don't think either. I mean from what I understand midnight wasn't even really a heavy metal fan at all He was a massive Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd fan and so but he just had these These crying inflections and these you know those those little Nuances that Tate had Tate was more of a had a deeper voice midnight's voice was thinner But I mean he had range that Jeff Tate never had and he had again He just had a certain emotional delivered every single word Had some something special in it. Yeah, if you listen to song like in places and whatever So that's that's my three things off that almost lonely, right? That was the hit And you know what this was included and I'll give the justification to this Because the critique it's been a critically acclaimed album all these years The great the songs are great productions great and they're bigger in Europe. They're in big than North America But that still counts right just because something's not big in North America. That doesn't mean it doesn't count All right global. I mean there there there are bands that There are bands that I remember talking to Morgan from seven dust and We were talking about touring and this and that and he was like, yeah We're not really big in Europe at all and I was like really I'm like seven dust You guys are a big deal here. He's like not in Europe and I was like wow then there are European bands I mean look at bands like Sabaton. They're massive in Europe over here. They're not there. They're not Yeah, yeah, so So they want to know and we'll get off of this we'll get to the next one Maybe my comments might come in useful Answer your question that you asked 15 minutes ago Jimmy came in number two hundred and six Okay, I want to thank Todd for introducing me to this You know, I thought it was a band out of the 90s and listening to it man Like you said King Diamond mixed with Jeff Tate in dark places you can hear the Led Zeppelin influence in there lonely Man, this is like seeds for Camelot when you listen to that song, you know I don't know if there's a Florida connection there or not but man I heard some Camelot in there and then this whole album was like Empire before Empire, right? You hear a lot of the Cree's like I'm wondering if they were writing in the same studio at the same time almost That's how much of a parallel These two bands in my estimation had and and again, I'm sorry one of those guys that didn't you know crimson glory existed in 88 so Well, yeah, they I think they formed in 81 if I believe I'd have to read up on it again or ask ask the guys But pretty sure that they they started like 81 They're their first record came out self-titled. It's it's so good, but um Yeah, I'm glad that you that you learned of them and yeah Yeah, absolutely. That's what it's about, right? That's what the whole show is about. Yeah, and yeah on a last note Somebody asked how did midnight die midnight died? I believe it was a liver. It was a liver failure or liver Yeah, it was he yeah, he had alcohol problems and yeah, he passed away. I believe in 09 I think it was 09 and then 2010 was when they did the memorial concert at the Prague Power Show in Atlanta As a memorial to midnight That's when I got to do my first appearance with the band as a guest singer Among all these other singers mark bowls and a bunch. Oh, yeah Then what then anyway stage and they go like holy crap. We just found, you know, this I mean people were saying like You know the spirit of midnight lives through Todd like I was the reincarnation of this guy It was pretty not it was it was nuts. It was nuts People I remember going to Europe. It was my first experience doing that and like people crying and like Literally like this one guy came down and like kissed kiss wanted to kiss the boots I was wearing For like I he thought I was like channeling midnight from the cosmos or something It was like, I mean crazy fanaticism Very cult followed You know, but highly revered and super underrated and then before you could and I'm just gonna leave on this I think it's fascinating and then before you can sort of actually record anything with the out with the band You moved on to Queens right that that's kind of like right. I was actually in I was in Crimson Glory and Queens right at the same time and we were writing a concept album and It just got the guitarist of the band was involved in Drugs and dealing he got busted and it was a big issue and the band was we were all kind of waiting around for him to Get his act together to do a record and I just got tired of waiting And I just said I'm I can't wait around anymore. I I gotta go and And I just stayed with Queen Drake, obviously and that was it But I'm still I'm still good friends with everybody else in the band. I don't talk to John but Everybody else in the band I talked to You know here and there and and everything's good. And yeah, it was a Experience I mean one thing leads to another, you know, and I mean Alan to sing this type of music is just not you know, your Bruce Springsteen type of singer this this requires It's probably the most demanding. Yeah, Mike Gallagher says harder than singing Jeff Vogels for sure all day Crimson Glory is You know just the whole out red shark. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff. But anyway. Yeah, glad it made the list Alright, here we go. Now. This is sort of one of mine. If you guys ever saw clerks, too With King Diamond, I never saw that you never saw clerks I saw the first one Coming in at number 111 and Martin pop-offs top 500 is the next hour. Yeah, and and I you know One hundred and eleven out of five hundred good. That's pretty good out of five hundred Surprising, you know Look in the King Diamond world The opening line to welcome home is is iconic, you know, everybody waits for it Everybody sings along to grandma screaming grandma. I'm not gonna scream it because I can't It did well on the charts for King Diamond, you know, 200,000 copies back then that was good invisible gas T twilight symphony, maybe the production is not the best If you don't like that voice and I know Todd and Alan you guys It can irritate you a little bit that kind of falsetto, right? Either love or hate King Diamond, John Zazzoula said it best, you know, you know his voice Was his secret weapon, but at the same time it Repel people in a sense like an asset in a detriment at the same time either really take it or not so much Yeah, so anyways to me them and also, you know, that is one of the King Diamond classics I don't think you could put a top-ten list in that era and not a king while everybody was playing the melodic songs Kid stuck to his roots. He did concept albums He didn't give a crap about and even though the record company was pushing him to get more melodic He wouldn't he writes a concept album part one of part two concept and today in clerks, too It's part of our pop culture to scream grandma Guys make your word for it, Joe And I think Jim up be able to put King Diamond in every year if you said hats off to him But that's not exactly my cup of tea Todd any comments on King Diamond before I leave King Diamond I mean like I said in the last time when he came up. I I really like the music a lot I think the music is great. I like his lower register I'm just not a fan of the sound of the falsetto breathy High thing if I want to hear high notes. I want it to sound powerful like like a like a Halford delivery or something like that That's just my personal taste. I'm not ragging on the guy He's very talented. It's just it's just again. It's not my like Alan said it's just that's that's particular sound Is it my cup of tea, but it's my cup of tea, but now you're two cups of but yeah, that's all and it's good It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. All right. Here we go guys. Here comes. Here comes the Here comes the battle now. Okay, so we had Todd Todd saying okay guys We cannot do this list without testament in your order and Alan's going off on the other side Oh, no disagreement. I think I think what I took away from there are not to interrupt you Jim, but I did You know what I take away from this is really You can see 1988 we saw a bit in 1987 where thrash and you know The hair metals kind of really getting farther and farther apart here and it was a strong year for thrash So yeah, I have no problem putting testament on the list So okay. Well, you didn't mention the band yet Cinderella long cold winter and testament the new order and everybody out there you tell us if Cinderella or testament should be on this list. Yeah, it's a little rough Testament it's a little rough that out. Go ahead Todd Okay, that the the Cinderella record is awesome Okay, no doubt. Yeah, but You know, I I caught flack for putting white lion in when when fans And we talked about this when bands like like Bathory and Death death, I mean the band the band death who is are the godfathers of death Metal didn't make that list and then I put white lion in. Okay, so I I tried to be more true to the metal category And I put hair metal, which is kind of an oxymoron for me, but I get it It I let that take a backseat and I wanted to focus more on Just the metal aspect. Yeah, the new order from testament that album is so good from start to finish I mean you have you know, they put out a video for Trial by fire or nobody's fault They I mean the disciples of the watch into the pit all these songs are just so good They're not even in the same again night and day between Cinderella But if we're talking about metal albums, Cinderella is not a metal band Period. They're not a metal band. Testament is that's why I voted for testament and I pushed against Cinderella Even though I love Cinderella and I love that record All right, Alan, I mean it's kind of like a white lion like you said, right? Alan, what are you? Again, I'm putting my hat on back in 88 and these guys were being promoted as metal bands, which I agree with Todd This is a blues album as far as I'm concerned. You know, it's not a metal album Exactly, but I mean they were opening. I saw them open for dave lee ron. Oh, wait a minute there. He's not metal either August 9th opening for David. I still remember His solo for long cold winter. It was it was killing. I had goosebumps. Just thinking about You know that solo Tommy Kiefer played during that, but I mean there's this was one hit after another You know falling apart the seams gypsy road with a huge hit then they got the piano out with the Obligatory ballad. We don't know what you got till it's gone Long cold winter and then they got you know deeper tracks that coming home A second wind the last mile. So for me, I just love this album But again, we're just going back to you know, putting my 1988 hat on and Myself myself, I would just get a little bit out of the thrash movement at that time and I just preferred this album. It's not a big thing. The testament should be the Just for your formation testament came in at number 132 out of the top 500. Was Cinderella in that book? Cinderella was number 411 So I think a lot of people would have agreed with Todd You know, here's an interesting fact here. So parent my buddy, right? He says Cinderella opened for priests on the ram it down tour Right. It's interesting because it does fall into that white lion category. You know the hair metal You know, I mean white lines really not metal But hair metal was a huge thing back then and Cinderella night songs and even this album long cold winter You know, there's that screaming vocals at acdc shrill, right? Tars are loud and their cup. I mean the fans were metalheads, right? They weren't they weren't guys, you know With white I'm a metalhead and I love it. But again, if you had a metal festival, they would not be on it They're not a heavy metal band. All right. Well, that's it. What do you guys think? Cinderella or testament that is The duel on this list. All right. Here we go. Number six This is sort of like the dark horse of it all ready, Alan, you got your I don't know about dark. I gotta see what this one is. Oh, okay Here's a dark horse. Alan, you got your album there? No Oh, yeah, yeah, I got it. I'm ready. I'm ready when you are. Okay. Here we go. Now. There we go. Okay. Here we are on the still Thunder still this if we go back to 88 this went straight into the liquidation bit right away Okay, I'm telling you but Then I'm reading how this album changed power metal in Europe. These guys were influential. This album was You know the sole reason why speed metal or power metal exists And I have to admit I went back and listened to it. I bought it years and years decades later actually and I listened to it Recently you're preparing for the show and yeah, I can I I can see that that's that's the case I could really see that's the case there was something that was probably not happening at that time and they they're originators Not my favorite riot album, but uh, yeah, definitely a game changer Todd did you put it on did you have a listen? I did have a listen. Um They've had I think they're I think six singers now Yeah, five. Yeah, well six if you include Todd Michael Hall Okay, but anyway, I mean I looked at because I'll be honest It's probably blasphemy But I just really am not familiar with their material Um, we we we did play we played it. Um, uh in eson at the tour rock It was an outdoor show in germany was like I think it was one of the last shows Of our last european tour and I mean I heard these soaring vocals in like a really good band And I was like who's on stage and it was riot And I was like holy shit like this guy can sing, you know, and he's he's a phenomenal singer, but um I just really wasn't that familiar. I listened to the record, you know, really great band So I I don't have anything negative at all, but like alan I I did, you know some reading and whatnot And it seems that that That it um That was a totally different record from their earlier albums Which I didn't I didn't know that. Um, was the old stuff like more thrashy and this is Pure pure rock and roll coming out of the 70s hard rock. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. And they went more like april wine Think of more like bty and that's kind of ynt. They're hard rock guitar driven band Then oh, sorry mitre forester joined red forester joined a band. They went more to a kind of a bluesy kind of Bad company kind of hard rock sound. Okay. Okay. So when this was a game This was like holy crap. Yeah, this is a way. This is riot. Huh? What really? Wow So mega death was kind of coming up and a lot of these other bands were kind of coming up This was the third singer. Tony Moore is the the vocalist I mean, I like the band so much. I did a documentary on these guys riot came from this sort of Classic hard rock guitar driven music to power metal or speed metal you want to call it Donnie van staver and who co-wrote The half the album with mark reality the guitars rest in peace He chose a more, uh, you know, uh, that speed power high vocal high octane kind of sound And you know what to allen's point It was big in europe and it did well in north america, but it was a lot bigger and today. They're still a lot bigger in japan. They're they're huge um They influenced a lot of those european bands and uh, when you listen to hammerfall, they do covers Of uh, you know of of this album, you know songs from this album and other bands in europe do a lot of covers off this album So it does have its place In 1988 as a sort of classic and genre defining and where was it number 400 153 voted on there's not modern pop-up that lists this is voted on the fans of brave worlds and bare knuckles or All of the other magazines. So so anyways I thought we'd throw that in Todd time. Todd michael hall was actually on the voice I know yeah, and you know, he should have won but of course they didn't you know, put it push him through but anyways Yeah, he he's got that guy's got crazy high range and He's a very a very clean Clean singer. Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah All right guys, you ready for this? Number five, you know your list or does everybody know what's next? I got it. Oh, I know. Yeah, that's good. All right. Here we go but a bing Blackhead Blackhead There we go. So, okay allen I Metaka injustice for all I was I was let down when the album came out I was too actually I'm putting on my 1988 hat here Okay, guys the video for one fantastic, right unbelievable the first video ever they knocked it out of the park home run Unbelievable waited years. They finally did a video. It was fantastic And then you listen to the album just something didn't sound right, you know which we found out quite soon that there was no bass on it and It just the sounds weren't as strong as I found them And I look I'll be an apologetic I'm one of the guys that think those first three albums are pure gold And really didn't listen anything after those first three albums. So so that's on me. That's on me But listening to it prepared for the show Uh, yeah, it's not as bad as I remember. You know, I need it's a good album, but Again, I'm sorry. I just for me metallic is those first three albums and then then that's it for me So what always blew my mind is they redid the sound they remastered they repackaged They're all this and they still left off the bass. I just just blows my mind Go ahead Todd I love this record I mean The guitars are like ride the lightning. I didn't really care for that much um I mean, obviously master of puppets is is is amazing I think this record despite Not having fucking bass, which sounds like the dumbest thing you've ever heard You know, it it did have that That sound where it's like, okay, something sounds different about this record And you know what I didn't even know that it didn't have bass and nobody really But but we could put our finger on Right, yeah, but But you know the um The the the guitars were so crunching. They always had this overload, you know gotta go There would be this after that they would chug on the guitar gotta go go go go and it go What the hell is that but man songs like harvester asaro and uh Um, what's the one uh, dear mother dear father? What is this? Oh, I mean, it's a solid record super solid record one of my favorite kick drum sounds on any record is off that record and uh Vulgar display of power. Those are two of my favorite bass drum sounds dire leave. That's what it was. Dyer's eve. Yeah Okay, that's the one. I mean his drum works killer on this record The rhythm guitar playing he gets a hard time doesn't he lars everybody keeps putting him down I always thought when I first heard I think he's way better than people give him credit I agree man. I agree. I agree. I think people really shit on him and I don't understand why they're shitting on him I think I don't either they're too big. They're too famous and I think I guess they hit, you know I think I always I always liked his drumming. He played things unorthodox especially when you listen to one you know, he would hit um He would hit things. My friend Derek Roddy who's an extreme metal drummer um Famous drummer in that world. Um, he used to say that scott rock and field Would would hit drums like cymbals and cymbals like drums and he was right where you would normally hit a cymbal There's a tom instead and in one You know the way he would play you would think here comes a And he'll go And you're like, okay, I wouldn't have done that. He so he does things a little bit unorthodox. I think and uh very clever He writes great drum parts that fit the music And I I I think it's a great record. I would love to hear what this what this really sounded like with Like legit bass tracks Happening and they hazed him too and they put him down and they bullied him, you know, Jason Newstead So I met him when we did um that metal show Yeah on vh1 classic and he was he was also filming that day and we we got to chat a little bit in the green room Super cool guy super nice guy And I always was thinking like because what I heard was that he wanted to do another band And that there was some beef over him doing something outside of metallica Of course, I don't know but that's what I've read and and it's this Word on the street, so Yeah, I was just thinking wow, but his bass playing is killer And I would love to hear what that sounded like what it sounded like, but as alan's talking to we all learned I mean, we probably all saw the same engineer talking about You know lars being in the control room and pulling the fader down and pulling the fader, you know Or whatever and going okay right there. That's perfect and then they realized the bass is totally out of the mix And that's what that happens people tend to be selective right and on the mix they they listen to their own parts They kind of forget everybody else But drums and bass are foundation instruments and for a drummer to be like pull the bass Down is crazy to me because part of being a drummer is locking in with that bass with the bass player That's what you do So that's weird. It's okay. Alan. Alan was a bassist. I just wanted to say that I can see how The black album would be if it wasn't for this album that might have been a completely different album This is a great transition album from a great master of puppet to the next album Which is the black album totally agree. Yeah, and I didn't realize that until I just listened re-listen to the today. I mean so For me, you know when the album came out I was you know, I love the first three so much It was really a big disappointment. I go why is it so dry like what is going on here? And it was a double. I think I bought the double cassette at the time And it was just it just felt so dry and I don't know. I loved one, you know when it came out Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure Hey rope and I do like the album don't get me wrong But I just found it was odd and weird and it just didn't sound right But you know people love it eight million albums sold worldwide Number 19 number 19 on the top 500 number 19. That's pretty high on the list All right, so do we have anything else to say on this album? Not on the album, but just to address the comments here Sure, really quick somebody was saying why was um, why was he getting fired? I I think that's why he was let go and then somebody said k-man reborn says Lars constantly fell apart live and the band were getting tired of it was holding Metallica back Maybe there's some confusion because Lars was never fired. So I'm not sure what that's about Um, jayson jason never got any love. He's great. I thought he was great, too. Somebody asked I'm a flotsam and jetsam fan. Yes. I am Give me jimmy is too. Yeah Hell yeah, but but yeah, that's well documented. Todd you're right because there's some kind of monster That's what uh, you know the dvd. They're they're documentary. That's a big part of that I mean lars looked at the camera and said he's he's the new and worthy old, you know, he's you know, he's replacing us It's interesting, you know, you could tell that like lars picked up the drums really early and he got into a band really early It was probably learning as he was going along The nice thing about learning as you're going along in a band is you sort of you become creative because you're not doing What the teacher says so you're you're not really following any pattern. You're creating your own pattern so I think by not Being this trained musician, you know from some sort of major school You can be different and that's good and that's also the knock on him do at the same time. So that's right. That's right You're right. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that made sense that makes sense Right. No, I know a guy there was a drummer He was in an iron mating cover band and he can play all those parts and everything But he's like it's the hardest for me is his his metallica lars is timing and everything. It's it's just not natural It's the hardest thing to kind of duplicate. So it's like nico mcbrain is one of the hardest drummers to To copy that feel It he because he's not really like a metal drummer. He's He does things that are not like a metal drummer would do With his ride patterns with he plays an amazing sync like his primary foot Is is phenomenal. So he'll do like triplets and cool things with his one foot that most drummers would rely on a second bass drum to do He's another guy that's really hard to Get that feel. I mean you can play the songs, but It's not the same as really copying and getting that same groove and feel Yeah, anyway You guys ready for number four some good insight good insight. Here we go speaking of drummers We're going slayer south of heaven The band slowed down a bit. They weren't as thrashy and they said, you know what? Let's try to create a little more of a doom atmosphere Dave Lombardo Just kicking it into gear on that album Todd Dude this record's so good. I mean I've seen him I've seen him on tour. I saw the seasons of the abyss tour. That was the clash. It was at the clash of titans tour Were they on that clash of titans? I think so or it was mega death Shit, I got a check somebody helped me out here mega death was on it for sure. Yeah priest I think allison chains that was kind of their first debut tour. Anyway What an unbelievable band I actually saw Their last go-around For their farewell thing at valken. We were up in the tower at front as to clash of the titans time And I was right. All right Yeah, I mean and uh, I would have loved to have seen lombardo Play on that farewell tour. I've met him before he was super cool I don't know anybody else in the band But i'm a huge fan of slayer's music Some of the best rhythms out there That this is a killer record. This is a killer record because it's it's it's like more I know it sounds weird. It's more melodic. It's more musical than like rain and blood for example But you have so many good uh Good songs on this record that you can like really groove to There's there's less like full-blown blast beats and stuff on this album Exactly. There's a sort of vibe going on a dark evil doomy vibe throughout the whole album I think it's one of their best if you ask me. Absolutely phenomenal record and a game changer too Alan, I know you're not the biggest slayer fan, but I think you could appreciate this album Sure Yeah Comes in at number 44 They can't be wrong. No, actually no I listened to the early early early like really the ep of slayer, right the show no mercy. I believe it was Back in the day and it's like, ah, this is great And then you know the money went elsewhere because we had no money to buy records So they just one of those bands that got lost in the shuffle for me and uh But yeah, I got nothing bad to say about slayer this is you know, these are these are So now we're in the some of their best years 87 88 some of the the albums we've been reviewing is you know rain and blood These are these are their well-known albums for these. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was a good year 88. Wasn't it? It was a great year. So good. So good But for me, I look at it I can see what wow like thrashes really take over and I remember at that time too. I mean I didn't I looking back. I didn't see too many concerts that year A handful of concerts, which is not wasn't normal for me and And you know albums too. I bought a little less in 88 than some of the other years before so But thrash was powerful Yeah, yeah All right, and you know what another band that was Really picking up a lot of steam in europe and in north america and this is the next one is number three We're in our top three now. Are you ready for this? Here it is. Here it is. Oh Todd wants out Todd wants out Todd. Did you get a chance to listen to halloween? I know you're not, you know, the biggest halloween That's why I don't really know. I mean, I don't I don't know I don't think I know really many songs on that record Dr. Steen I know I want out. I know rise fall rise fall Dr. Stein seven keys I I know I want out. That's probably it. That's it. That's all you need to know. Kai Hansen did one out so This album Was a genre defining Solid the production that was there the vocals of there everything hit the mark For me for me that is There's so much joy when I put this album on you got a little laughter You know, it's serious and it's just there humor is always in there, right alan It's always in there and and I don't know it's I would think there's more major You know major keys happening because it's very happy sort of speed metal alan Number 36 top 500. There you go Again back in 88. I didn't this was another band that I liked but they got lost in the shuffle I Took me 20 years to go back and get everything they've ever recorded because I just think they're that much of an amazing band But at the time, uh, yeah, this is uh, this is, you know, considered one of their top albums ever, right? So Yeah, Todd, what did you think when you put it on and you said, hey Like the first one probably because I know it better but yeah But you know even like I don't know like even the song how Halloween where it's like, you know He's saying like Linus could be right and it's it's hard for me to get into lyrics that are talking about Linus and like What's wrong with Linus? Didn't he have a blanket? Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about it in a song. I don't know. I just You gotta keep in mind you you gotta give him kind of a little slack English is not their first language You know, we always have to keep that in mind, right? So Linus fits in further. There is except I don't know. Don't get me going. Don't get me started on accept lyrics now pink bubbles go eight That's all you have to remember Pink bubbles go eight You figure that one out. Todd. You let me know we'll do a whole show on yeah Yeah, I just I honestly I just don't know that record very well and again, that's okay. You know, that's okay We will not fault you for this Yeah, good. You'll have to just let me and Alan ride the one ride the wave on this. I will I will trust you Everybody else do you agree number three keeper of the seven keys halloween probably one of the highlights In metal and it was a metal album. It is definitely about this ain't no david lyra sky scraper This is a power metal album a european power metal speaking of europe Here we go. You guys ready for number two Should we should I should say No surprise. Hey, everybody's out there. So yeah, we were just waiting for where was it gonna show number two though That's my favorite. That's my favorite probably my favorite Metal record of all time. Wow Wow, yes Guns I saw guns and roses open for them on this tour But man, you know, they had it all, you know, you had these machines and Eddie that record is The shit the shit I even have a tattoo That says infinite dreams. Wow, march 17th. There's my ticket march 17th Oh good At the grand price or What's that? 1991 two $19 and 50 cents $19 and 50 cents to see guns and roses open for iron maiden Can you believe it? $19 and 50 cents what year was what it was at 91 88 88 88 it was same year. Yeah, or maybe we're an hour into the show Todd's a little unclear of the concept Just guilty. No, I'm saying the tour. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm teasing No, it wasn't eight actually because they had they had a they they were coming through florida and they cancelled the tour And I and I I was in I was in like 11th or 12th grade. So maybe they were doing another They maybe they were gonna do a makeup thing, but it was So you didn't you didn't get to see them on that tour. I did not get to see if they cancelled And that album did that album have that effect on you the moment you heard it Dude, that record is why I have the vibrato. I have Wow, and and To me, that's probably my favorite metal record Of all of them Wow, and it's just and just 88 or just in just metal in general pick a year. I don't care That's my record. That's my record right there. I mean, ah, it's just so good For myself. I was a little disappointed You know So Yeah, I was like bring back paul tea. I don't know as I was this point. I was like And you know what I was really disappointed in can I play with madness? I love the song But the video I remember when the video came out. They they didn't have a new video in back Graham Chapman videos They basically money by son. They just basically chopped up them playing live or whatever it was and infinite dreams What a song infinite dreams. No, I do like to sound. I do like to sound a lot. Don't get me wrong I just a little disappointed somebody says queen. Whatever says iron maiden wins this hands down Somebody says is he joking? I hope he's joking. I think they're talking about you But no, I think Todd is an objective I'm a I'm a first four iron maiden fan first four album are main fans. That's where I come from I'm from phantom of the opera era. That's where I come from. No, if I could just play a Referee here. I can Todd I understand a whole lot of Jimmy, you know Maiden could do no wrong, right? Right to my number of the beast peace of mind Somewhere in time, which are even the synth guitars. Everybody's like, this is great. No problem This is iron maiden and this one was like, okay. Wait, wait a minute here Now there's this is two in a row here kind of a lot of synths in the sizes So there was that feeling that these guys aren't perfect But it's a great album. It is a great album coming in at number, but nowhere near their best album What was it sorry like 56 56 yeah, it's up there. So so yeah, no and that's where I mean sold out and it's just you know, just Great that iron maiden could do no wrong in the 80s. So Yeah, yeah, but you got to understand something Todd like when you were writing that seven son of a seven son of a seven son I was like, oh man. I want fan of the opera. I want, you know, I want running free I want number of the beast. I was kind of like in more that mode. No, I That's why I love mating because they evolve Right, they evolve and they involve and and I actually grown to love it more over time than when it first came out Well, you got your wish on the next album because We decided to go before we go there. Let's go. No, I'm talking about iron maiden's next album after this That they went back so far. Are they dying? Yeah, that adrian smith left the band because they went back so far back to the roots like jimmy wanted So jimmy is the reason adrian smith left iron maiden back in the after the after seven son of the seven son That was where they did like tail gunner and yeah, yeah Be quicker be dark and then after fear the dark it was no rest for the wicked and The cracks were showing as far as I was concerned, but now let's go to the hidden gems. Who's got a hidden gem? They were before we down to number one. Let's go to the ones that didn't make the jam Okay, I'll end right away. Oh, you wait one two. That's yours. No. No. No No mentions that didn't make the list. Okay. This guy's they open for guns and roses in the native australia Kings of the sun never heard of them. One of my favorite albums of all time You guys it's a hard rock. Yeah, it's an australian pub rock Great, but this is a song you gotta put on in the summertime with the roof is convertible going about you know 100 miles an hour down the highway I mean, it's just a great great great album. Thanks to my good friend that jimbo the magic elephant He's the guy that introduced me to this band and I swear It just is like one of my favorite albums of all time The first album from kings of the sun and they released an excellent follow-up to this by the way So that's 1988 for me my hidden gem. I recommend everybody to check it out Out of australia. Well, you gots us a hidden gem that didn't make the list that you really wanted there Me? Yeah. Yeah Um, I have to think I had him written down. Hellstar. Hellstar. You had Hellstar on I had Hellstar and then I had um I had uh overkill I think under the influence And then Go figure i'm a i'm an atheist, but there's a band called baron cross Got a christian metal band. I've heard one of my favorite bands. I mean atomic arena Came out. Ah, man. If you like dickinson and dio, this guy His name is mike lee He is like a mixture of bruce dickinson and ronnie james dio And he's just he's just awesome. And then stage of intensity was um, the next was another great records baron baron cross So yeah, those were some of my honorable. Yeah, I had hellstar baron cross and overkill and I think I think I even mentioned death angel Oh, I love that. Oh, I frolic. No, uh, it was frolic in the park. Is that it? Yep We have matthew lee And I was at the show reminding us that the kings of the sun opened for bruce dickinson on the tattooed millionaire tour here In montreal. I wear that show Yeah Oh, here's my flots till death flots. I'm no place for disgrace There we go. Actually, this is the remake. Yes, the remake. I kind of missed that Lots of mud a band There was a lot a lot of material a lot of stuff in 88 And I don't have the clovin hoof album, but I have clovin hoof albums He's got all of them except the one is and the one that I wanted it's it's actually dominator But I do have these so I just Hats off to clovin hoof with their second album in 1988. I'm still hearing moonchild in my head. Yeah, I'm hearing clovin hoof Clovin hoof Clovin hoof from uk from the uk. Yeah Clovin Clovin is a good guy young and voivod dimension atras Yeah, they were making some sound at that time for sure there there there. Yeah dimension atras was uh more of a Their technical album at the time the album that hold on somebody saying Metal church blessing in disguise that came out in 88 It could have yeah, it could have hold on. Let me look because I'm gonna all right Fact check alan alan take a look at the book. When did it come in? I'm not I'm not seeing it. Sorry, which uh, what's that one? Metal church, so that's have a blessing in disguise. Hold on. I gotta check. What is our good friend? I'm hearing this guy's 89 So next show next you're bad next show make a note of it Yeah, all right. Hey guys when they have me on for the 1989 show He's lobbying he's lobbying we like pushing hard from our sponsors jimmy take away All right, have you got yourself a metal voice shirt yet? This is this is because of 10 years. This is a 10 year original. That's the original shirt. There's only one of them Yep 10 years. There's only one of them. I went to the mall. I go. Can you write the metal voice? And an iron maiden font an iron maiden font. That's worth three dollars. I better not sell the iron maiden font because you know Three dollars and 16 cents that shirt's worth Canadian now and now now it's worth a lot more. Okay. Here we go. All right, number one I mean, I think it's fitting Todd's here Yes, he could give us his opinion on this album and what it means to him And I think that's what I'm gonna say. So everybody guess what we're gonna pick as number one before we say anything All right, riot thunder steal. Nope. That was number five Come on. Come on. Kingdom come queen's right. I see two queens, right? I see forbidden forbidden evil badass album anthrax. What was anthrax allen? It was a State of euphoria was it my heart is dripping. Okay, queen's right queen's right queen's right Queen's right anthrax millie vanillie. I think they were at their peak by then, right millie vanillie Was they not wrong showed you? Hey, where can people get the metal voice shirt? Oh, you just click in the link On the video description. There you go. Thank you, Todd. Thank you Farron likes king's x out of a silent planet That's who he's voting for operation minecrime circle to circle minecrime. I listened to fates warning no exit I did listen to that this week. Nice. Yeah Maybe it was what I was listening on but I I struggled with the drum sound on the snare drum on that I don't know why I'm here for something. I think I think it's unanimous here. I we're looking at a 90 percent Hit Allen before you say it where did this next album rank in the bus? Oh, yes It made the top 10 coming in at number seven Wow That's huge And let me tell you This this album there. Oh, I'll include right come on guys. I mean no surprise Oh my gosh When I listen to this it life changer life changer really I can see where it came in at number seven because This is one of my top 10 albums of all time. I want to know. I want to know what number six is Number six. That's no problem. Keep in mind Todd. This is number seven 1988 all time album. I know I know I mean, I didn't have anything to do with it, but great a nice friend here at martin pop off is number six is paranoid black Sabbath And then number eight because I know you're gonna ask me next eight was peace of mind iron made it Yeah, you can see that. What's number two? So number the beast. I want to know five now. Let's let's just focus guys Let's remain focused I mean, you know talking about a concept album And like I said on the previous show range for order just didn't light my boat It didn't make it happen for me So I kind of tested the water I let some friends buy this first because I didn't really know what to expect and man when I heard it I just fell in love with it right away Uh, I man, it just inspired me. I was making movies at the time And I just wanted to do a whole movie based on this character and dystopia and you know a youth that You know drug addled that's being influenced by this nefarious dr. X and sex drugs and I mean just the whole story was Unbelievable and it really it really had that it's one of the few albums that had that much of an effect on me I have to say and and Todd before you get into it So the many times that we did speak to jeff and he told us about the making of this album and it was recorded in montreal It was recorded here And it was recorded at the famous lyce studio. It's it's about north of montreal and it's a nice little retreat It's no longer there anymore He told us about, you know, the characters. There was this bar in montreal Oh my god, I can't remember. It's on st. Denise street. Yeah A little bit of a nationalist bent Yeah, there's this kebek separatist movement Which was a sort of like this movement that was happening and he I'm not saying it was about it He just kind of he was inspired by that and the characters were people in the bar in montreal So just a little bit of background for those of you who don't know the montreal connection Todd Now you're the current singer of queen's ray and you sing these songs. Yeah To you. Yeah, this is a great perspective to have this is a great ring ring the phone ring tonight Mine is funny because michael's ringtone sounds exactly like the ringtone on the record where it goes Hello, you know, and he goes Every time his phone rings I go It's the first queens rike Record that I that's how I learned of them It is not my favorite queens rike album Uh, the warning is my favorite queens rike album from the you know of all of them. Um I like seventh son better But as a body of work it is a better Full body of work. I mean a concept album Is so hard to do and to execute Properly, uh, not only does the story Have to chronologically Make sense. It has to to to tell it's tell itself You have to have the music also like how do you tell the story? That the words match the match the story and and the vibe Uh, and then the music also has to coincide with that part of the story And where everything is seamless and flows as one body of work as a single body of work It is by far one of the greatest ever albums written of any genre of any time I agree. It's it's it's always been compared to Um a parallel if you will to like the wall Yeah, I'll say that it's that good. It's that profound. It's that influential Etc and rightfully so that that record made the top 10 um I like the maiden stuff because it's just more metal, but I love Operation mind crime as a full album. Um, it's it's phenomenal. We play a lot of songs from it every night um Yeah, I mean there's nothing bad to say about the record by any means the productions great the the concept people people 30 years later will go up to the guys and be like so who killed mary? Like people still talk about the storyline three decades later. Yeah, and you're like, holy crap I mean that's a massive I mean jeff's voice was phenomenal on that record every everything was just oh the drums You know what it's two parting comments It's funny because You know, I've been in the band This year will be nine years and in four records that we're we're doing now album number four with me um And and people will say uh, you know the stuff with Todd socks. It's nothing like those days and I'm thinking but queen's right never Never did another mind crime. They put out a record called mind crime too, which as everyone knows Wasn't even close to the to mind crime. Okay, so ballsy ballsy move the band with original members Never captured that lightning in a bottle again It's an amazing feat and hats off to those guys. I mean it's it's phenomenal. Lastly I'm outspoken People know that I'm not going to be muzzled. I say what I want to say It's it's amazing in our political climate how people will tell me to shut the f up and don't talk about politics And mind crime is they're one of their favorite And you know, don't don't don't talk about politics or don't I don't want to hear politics in your music Just, you know, I'm thinking do you have any idea that queen's rake has always been A band that talks about the political climate and sociological and geopolitical affairs Like what the hell? And you know what those lyrics are Tried and true And they still hold up today and the stuff that we write even now Are along those similar lines grand. It's not a concept. We don't haven't written a concept record But those themes are interwoven Still today and in our music So yeah, I mean it's it's not a surprise that people would choose this record. It's a very coveted record, but I but the guys in the band a lot of them their favorite record is rage You know, my favorite record is rage Then I would probably say the warning and then operation mind crime And I would I would say the other way I would say for me one age mind crime. Yeah I was kind of like when the song first came out. They're sort of they they were on range They became more experimental like rush ish right And then they switched to hard rock Maybe because the thrash scene was coming out It's something like the keyboards all disappeared all of a sudden, right? It was really weird how it just came they they they went back to sort of like the ep in a sense, right? And then they had this sort of pink Floyd. No, it's called pink Floyd, but it's sort of like a interwoven sort of each song connected into each other with a little Little little sound bites in between, right? And I got to say that every song on this album Is a knockout. There's not a boring song on it Not a filler on it There's no feel and and that just blows my mind and I was a little disappointed at first the first week, let's say That it was a little more hard edge than rush but over time and I've listened to sound like thousands of times. Sure. Yeah thousands of just for the two of you. I got a special treat stiff rods here Operation live crime And does anybody remember what a vhs tape looks like? There it is. So in michael's house You know, he's got a golden platinum records on the walls And uh, he has a a he has that like It's like a silver looking cassette and the vhs and all that stuff So here's something for you see that bass in that in that picture So that's what eddie tracks the bass on our records with now There you go And and he he'll you know when we record there's a bunch of paint chipped off of it And uh And I was like, oh man, you know, are you ever gonna get that like you're gonna you just leave it that way He's like, no, I just leave it that way and he he takes his finger And he goes chink and he takes a chip of paint about the size of a quarter off And he goes here you can have it he puts it on my studio desk I was like, wow, I have a piece of history here and we were recording with zeus and I go, hey eddie Chip off some paint. Give it give a piece to zeus and he goes like, you know, like it's bread fucking pass it around, right? So he's like, oh, yeah, you want some he's like, no, no, dude, you don't have to like do that I go I go no dude scratch some fucking paint off and give it to him and eddie He's like, yeah, yeah, and he just and he takes a chunk of paint off of that same bass that is in that thing that you're holding up Yeah, yeah, it's it and zeus was like it was like holding the pick of destiny. He's like He's like the pick of destiny. He's like, I think of a chew back at you was a walk at you was a little town pick of destiny Anyway, yeah, so so he's like he still records like the verdict all those records I've done he plays with that same bass that he recorded mine crime and empire and everything with And you know what Todd? Michael wilted. Okay. Um I don't think people people always think to garmo. They always think tape but wilted He played such a role in the music of this album, right? I mean when you look at the credits, I mean he co-wrote almost half the album, right? Yeah, and michael, I mean he also wrote empire I mean he wrote, you know, he's written some of the biggest hits and he's written deep cuts You know because we'll we'll be together and I'll be like I'll be like I call him whip or Mike. I'll be like, hey, Mike, I say who um Who uh, who who wrote this song? And I'll pick I'll say the song and I'll be like, you know Oh me me and chris wrote that or or I wrote that and then chris came in with with the chorus or something or You know, he started out with this and then I and he tells me all he I mean he knows every nook and cranny of that all that stuff I I remember hearing walk in the shadows At michael's on a demo cassette with de garmo singing it Because he he had written and he I think he wrote the lyrics and melodies to to walk in the shadows And I'm listening to chris de garmo singing on this demo tape and I was like wow like who's heard that he's like Very few people have heard that and uh, but you're right jimmy he Look man, you can you can Come up with some power chords and write something And then you go michael Like rickify it like let's you know and he'll take it and give it back to you and you're like God damn that sounds like queens rick now It's amazing how michael And I'll say wow that sounds that sounds like queens rick you guys no shit. I I am cool, you know He's the unsung hero of the band he's the unsung hero of the band really is and uh Yeah, but um He's he's definitely written I mean if you just look at the credits and it doesn't matter. I mean he's the guy is Hands down, you know is the sound of queens rick even though de garmo's been I think he's been out of the band longer than he was in it Um, you know, he was an amazing talent and those two together were just Golden awesome golden, but um Yeah, and de garmo, you know, he's he's I've I've had dinner with him and lunch with him and he's a super nice guy He's really cool. He totally supports what we've been doing and um, he's still flying Yeah, still flying. Yeah, michael plays golf golf with him sometimes and uh, Yeah, he's a really nice guy and um Um Yeah, I mean what a what a what a gem of an album They're good, you know the empire tour. I remember seeing it and they they had roads to madness right off of the warning Right, and then they led right into this album here Operation minecraft and they played the whole thing the whole thing it was unbelievable and uh Then of course we saw them do operation live crime one and two Mine crime one and two and that back-to-back that was just another great show Decades later where we were able to see the the whole concept the two concepts put together Todd's point I have that dvd and You know mine crime two kind of you know with the exception of ronnie james deal in there It just didn't have that ballsy boof. You know, it's like doing dark side of the moon two, right? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's almost impossible. It's really it's really ballsy, but you know what? From what I've been told um There was not a A consensus on naming the album that by other band members And um, but I think by default Obviously, uh They knew whoever they is knew that there would be by default massive album sales when you call The next record operation mine crime two like that's such I was I was the first time buyer there when that when that album when mine crime two came out I ran and I bought it and I was kind of like I love the first song I'm american, right? And then it kind of gets thin and it gets thin will it make our top 10 list of 1999 I guess when was it? I don't remember one or two thousand two. I don't know Oh 2000 but uh, well 2000 something I guess but no, I did like deals. I did love deals I did I did too. Yeah. How can you not like deal? How can you not like but yeah the um Man when you write something like that That's right. It's like it's same with a movie, right? Like you see a movie and it's just like it's it's a it's a blockbuster It's winning all these awards. It's so respected and then they're like gonna come up with a follow-up. You're like Jaws two did not hit the mark Jaws two is not Jaws. Here's the here's what the problem as you guys know The problem when you do that is the default position Right out of the gate is You're you are clean. You're staking you're putting it in you're drawing a line in the sand saying it's that fucking good And and there's only one way to go from there. You can't go higher. It's going to be it's as good or it's not as good And it's probably not going to be as good. You're better off Maybe you are clever and you you take a twist Something from mind crime and now you segue that if you're continuing the story then maybe you name the record Something that ties in with mind crime, but you don't call it mind crime, too That was a Very bold move and it I don't think it served well In the end, you know, I think the premise was good. I kind of liked it 20 or 25 years later. I love that premise I just think the execution was just not there. I I I think it was ballsy I I wanted him to do it. I wanted them to succeed at the time. It just You know, it was a not so great album. I agree. I agree with both of you I went and bought it so that the strategy worked And but I also knew as I'm buying it. I'm saying well, there's no way this is going to be as good and they got my money Yeah, so the strategy worked. I kind of bought it with a little smile a little wink. Okay guys I'll support you and I was just curious to see what it was going to sound like so Fuck me one shame on me Spreading the disease do you have do you sing that high part on the chorus? We have Yes, the octave higher. Yeah, I can do that. Um the um We haven't done that song in years. I mean normally what we play off of it is Eyes of a stranger we're doing like um anarchy x into revolution calling We were doing we do eyes of a stranger. Obviously we do the mission We do I don't believe in love. We used to do empty room into eyes, which I think we should bring back because I always like that um What else what else is on there that sister mary, right? Yeah, we we did we did that a few times We got did I did that with Pamela. She joined us on. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's that's great. Um But yeah, I mean there's uh What else am I missing on the record? I don't know. I gotta Oh, you got the needle lies the needle lies. We play the needle lies electric work Oh, man, just I'm gonna go listen to this. I gotta listen to this You know, I put it it's funny because I put it on and I realized man. I've heard this album so many times It's one of those albums. It's like I've heard it so many times. Yeah It's uh, yeah, just uh, actually I had a good time I was listening to warning because I've heard rage forwarder like more times that I've heard mine crime and I put on warning. It was just a pleasant experience. I go. Wow. I've never heard this album in a long time Such a great album. Wow. What a what a great album Yeah Yeah, it's uh All right. Last last question for everybody out there. What songs would you like Todd to sing on the next queen's rite tour? Oh Top 10 songs that you'd like to see Oh Breaking the silence we play break in the silence break in the silence great song. What are they name your top 10 songs Oh, my audio is panning. It keeps panning. It keeps panning. I got a mic problem here my getty I mean, it's like automatically panning. It just it kind of like yeah, it's going back and forth. All right Well, it's on you it's old, but I guess I gotta get a new mic. I use I use the sm7 The sm7 b that's actually what I record on the queens rite records Um, it's not usb, right? You you need a one of those compressor things there, right? Yeah Just an interface. Why is that usb? There's usb right into maybe that's what the problem is though It sounds good to you guys, but what happens is when it goes onto the live stream It kind of starts panning for some bizarre reason. I don't know Oh, somebody says the lady were black. We did that for years. I I did the lady were black Somebody they have the sm. Oh sm 57 Yeah, yeah, that's a great mic sm7b needs phantom power Yeah, they're saying yeah, I so I for anybody that gives a shit I I sing through an sm look when I did the first queens rite record. I did with them I I sang through a what is it a u87 the neumann? You know, it's like a four five thousand dollar mic probably and into a neve And um and a universal audio That was the chain What I use now personally for me when we did condition human We were testing all these different mics and zoos was like we both like the the sm7 And it's just like a broadcasters mic. They're like 350 bucks Brand new at guitar center. They sound amazing I'm actually a baritone and it picks up the warmth. Oh, yeah It's not a It's not a hi everybody It's not a tinny sounding mic. And so I go I go into a um a great river Mic preamp into a distresser compressor into pro tools somebody said to you by Brought to you by ours All right, this is one Harvey. So no sanctuary on the last tour Child of fire, I would like to bring back child of fire and like maybe the warning or in force Anything off dedicated to dedicated to chaos Anything off dedicated to chaos, I know Alan was asking me defecated to chaos No, all right though, okay, all right, okay. Well on that note We did the top 10 top 10 and if you just Started watching now Rewind Came in at number two Yeah, number two well and Aussie no rest. That's the only one we did it came in at 287 Out of the top 500 and martin poppins encyclopedia of top 500 I want to get I got to get that It's it's a fun and it's just because martin look at look what he writes about every album Like, you know, how how do you even find the words to write? Describe 500 albums. You know what I mean? Is that um, is that a signed copy alan? No, no How do I get a signed copy? Tell martin to give you a signed copy. I'm sure he's all good. That would be amazing What's great is he has all the interviews he's done He talks about the album, but it's like he's got like glenn tipped and talking about defenders of the faith You know or uh, paul stanley on destroyer like Because of all his years of doing interviews. So it's just a fantastic read the spirit of one must crank out a book a month that's He must I mean, that's his job though Well, you know eddie trunk is always like, oh, he knows all the history of the bands I would love to see a uh A head to head on with that guy because that guy knows it all the royal rumble Well, if we put martin on you know, he's he's gonna all put us to shame. That's the thing Martin martins graciously puts us, you know He puts a lot of the the metal voice stuff in his books like an accept and in riot and all the interviews that we've done He's sort of wow. That's great. That's it. Yeah. He uh, yeah and iron maiden and all that. So it's really cool We're a part of it. We're friends. We're all friends and he's been on our uh He's been on the show many many times. Yeah, yeah, I've watched episodes with you with him and uh, yeah, I mean the knowledge But yeah, like that's a lot of information Yeah, that's what he does, you know and that's what when you do If that's what you do, you're good at it, right? He's got a martin's got a book of led zeppelin every song offer every album That's the book Really? Yeah I mean, and it's probably got a book on you for all you know, he's done rush before I don't know if I'm I don't know if I'm in any of those uh heavy metal if I mentioned in these maybe Maybe you've got the metal voice Todd. What more do you want? That's right Just being on this show he'll probably All right, all right, okay That's it guys got a lot of uh, uh, josh wood is a walking encyclopedia Yes, he is josh wood from metal rules. If you ever been interviewed by dim rosh is a josh is great guy Super smart All right, I'm getting tired. I think we all know. Thank you very much great hanging. Yeah, it was fun Thanks for having me very controversial album as well Extremely controversial the red event fleet of its time. Yes way better Allen doesn't like that These guys got rose. I like red event right? I like red event fleet and credit card. Oh, so like good zeppelin You know what? Every band after led zeppelin sounded like that Listen. Listen. Here's my issue When you stand Even the hand gestures are so bullshit The clothing it's it's not dude. Sorry. I I shouldn't be like that because hey art is art. Be careful. Be careful what you say Every yeah, I know be careful what you say. Me and Allen could say whatever we want. Nothing will happen on my back You're like in labra mouth like every day All right, ready? I think red event fleet is very talented Good. Good. I do too. No, Allen doesn't think so. No, no. I think they're talented I I agree with Todd. Let me let me just put this perspective These guys Ozzy wrote a song with gary moore called led clones That's how much these guys were hated at that time and basically it's just Lenny wolf's voice, right? uh, so uh, yeah, yeah, Lenny wolf. Yeah, and uh The because musically there's nothing compared to that play was just the voice and these guys got roasted and now Greta van fleet which I would say would be even more of I don't want to say the word unoriginal but more more Paying their homage to their heroes even more than these guys and they're the toast of the town I sit back and just say it's ironic how 30 or 40 years makes a difference where People are so dire need to hear that classic rock sound. They're willing to accept anything Whereas these guys were destroyed their career was over after this album sold a lot You know what allen? It was different because king kingdom comp and bands like them were sort of Propped up by the record company to sound a certain way. I think red event fleet they're in their garage They came out with an album They just loved the music and they just played that music and they grew their audience that way from the ground up They weren't and now the big record companies are behind them, but now they don't sound like led zeppelin anymore too much Now they sound like rush Hey real quick on a on a different note I want to answer this person's question. All right First of all, I don't know what k-man says to me like unclean Todd unclean. Does that mean uncool? I don't know from scottland. He's from scottland. So that could just mean something completely does that mean not cool I don't know. He doesn't agree that your mic gives you that that much of a clean sound your microphone choice is unclean Oh, I don't know what that meant okay Did I I don't I don't you you've done me dirty. I've learned that new expression You've done me dirty if that means and then somebody asked and I'm not trying to shamelessly plug my record But somebody asked Where can I get assigned vital and the thing is is I don't have any vinyls where the cover is signed, but on I do I do carry An album with an album flat that's signed by Myself and craig and then the backside. There's a photograph That's signed as well. So you can pick which side you want if you go to my website Toddlatory.com click on the shop tab that'll take you to the merch page You can see what's available there If you want anything autographed for a vinyl, I just have an album flat that comes with the record So and what about this cassette? How many copies of that cassette are made? I don't know how many we made To I really don't know. I can't believe they're making a player. I can't believe cassettes are making a comeback I mean, what about CDs? When are they going to make a comeback? I I don't know if it's true, but I heard that vinyl Is Selling Yeah, which is my last year was the first year they outsold. Oh, by the way, I came out saying that it's the It's gretta van fleet. He was referring to was talking about gretta van fleet. Todd Oh, well, I don't know what unclean means Maybe that guy can reply. What does unclean mean before we hang up? Um, what about real to real is I making a big comeback there? Allen? That's what somebody said Eight track eight track is the way to go You know what I could see a track making a big comeback I remember my mom she had to drop them and they never break And and we would put the eight the eight track Tape in do you have any eight tracks? Oh my god, I don't have any tracks. My dad never understood the concept You're listening to a concept album like wish you were here pink floyd or right in the middle of the guitar solo here My dad my dad my dad had the eight track cassette converter So back then your car had it was built for an a-track, right? So you put the a-track in But because cassettes were starting to take off you get this portable player that's right You put the cassette in the a-track sort of delivery system Like you do with a camcorder thing You can put the small camcorder in the vcr tape and it expands the tape So you can put that into a so you can listen to your cassettes on an a-track Sort of mechanism. Wow. Yeah, I was wondering when they'll have a turntable in a car I'm sure so you put your records on and then you could just play them But how are you gonna get it to not skip? That's well the technology. I mean we're gonna put a guy on mars soon. So you figure they could figure that out Just call Elon Musk. We'll get it done All right, there we go. Well guys, thank you for another top 10 very enlightening show and a man They got to get your pencil sharpened for 89. That's right. What's gonna happen 89? Was it a good year? I don't remember. I don't remember. Time will tell. There was a nice little period of awesomeness That that happened before you know, um Grudge nirvana and all that I like nirvana I'm sorry. I like that first album There you go. Well Todd. Thank you as always it was acquired for me when it first came out I I didn't like it and then after a while I was like All right, I guess, you know Because I was I was like punk. I was like punk and it's got that What I'm hearing is Jim's already starting to controversy if grunge groups will be accepted in a top 10 on a metal show It's gonna be interesting 1992. He's laying down the groundwork 1992 will be like this grunge metal sound garden metal All right, I'm very opinionated and so I could get a lot of trouble You know what you know what Todd like every day you're in the news You just say whatever and you're in the news me and Alan we could say whatever we want We'll never be in the news unless our guests are in the news. I say I can't say anything. I know you could just say I like water Todd the door. He likes water. How dare he? Yeah, what the fuck? Look at tree. What's wrong with him? You know, yeah, dude, you know what? I don't give a shit When people stop talking about you that's when you that's when you were You got people begging for for advertising and begging to be you know some sort of fame and You know, they're they're waiting for every word. They're waiting for every word. What's Todd gonna say next? Well, I don't know. I don't know. Is he getting his vaccine? What's gonna happen? Somebody first those are the second. Yeah, somebody's listens. They'll they'll watch this whole thing and they'll look for that sound bite They'll look for that title and and the problem is It's just it's uh This guy says I think Todd wants to fight me for saying unclean. No, I don't want to fight. I want to see a fight I just uh Actually, I want to fight a lot of motherfuckers, but it's not you. I just don't know what you mean by unclean I'd like to see a queen's right Greta van fleet tour That's what I want to see I'll go to vegas to see that I will go to vegas to see that. I'll tell you this they draw Very respectable numbers. I like red event fleet, you know, um, they're very talented Well, nobody knows they're no manudos. They do their own music. They they they they they sing their own music They write their own music. They're three brothers Uh, I don't know if they're I know there's two. I maybe maybe three there's three two twins and the lead singer Just like uh, just like mama boys, right mama's boys from the 80s. They're three brothers All right guys, I'm tired man. Thank you Todd. So once again Thanks, alan. Thanks. It's been a fantastic show. I'm glad to have your perspective on the number one album of 1988 Mr. Queen's right with operation mine crime and I hope everybody enjoyed it and we're looking forward to doing 89 Yep, and you know I just want to say something I appreciate all press that you get and we get and everybody gets and and that's very It's like when people aren't paying attention. That's when you should be worried, you know You know, it would be nice It would be nice when I do an interview about the record and then I'm asked one question And then I answer the question and then that becomes the headline and it has nothing to do that I spent 45 minutes talking about my record. It's this stupid sound bite about what something else You know, and it's like the context isn't there, but these aren't real journalists. These are hacks It's yellow press. There's no integrity. It's for advertising dollars and I get that I don't respect it, but I get it So maybe as long as as long as it's nothing malicious and mean, that's how I look at it as long as it's all If it's not malicious to me, look Many sites will put things in context That's all that I you want to look what I say Is is what I say. I'll own every word that I say If I if you don't wear a mask, you're fucking asshole. That could be that could be out tomorrow I don't give a shit. Okay. Put it in context All right, all right. See now the metal voice will be on our website tomorrow So what do you think about joe biden? Top 10 albums Top 10 mistakes made by joe biden jonald trump. Let's not go there. Okay next time. All right guys All right. Thank you guys. Bye. Thanks, Todd. Stay well. Ciao