 Thank you very much. So welcome to today's meeting of the Jones library building committee. We are meeting virtually by permission of the governor and will this event will be recorded and available on the town website. So just to make sure that we're all. We can hear and speak. I will call your name if you would signify your presence vocally. Sharon Sherry here. Thank you, Alex. Here. Thank you. Paul Barclay present. George. Here. Thank you. Anika. Here. Thank you. And I'm Austin, Sarah. So the first order of business is, oh, Christine, I forgot to call on you. Christine. Here. Thank you so much. Sorry about that. The first order of business is the approval of the minutes from June 7. Is there a motion to approve the minutes? So moved. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. Are there any corrections to the minutes? Okay. I'm going to ask you to signify your approval of the minutes. Sharon. Yes. Christine. Yes. Alex. Yes. Paul. Yes. George. Yes. Anika. Yes. And Austin votes. Yes. The next item is the financial update, but Sean Mangano is not present. So. We will skip that item. If it shows up, we will. Ask him. And if not, we will lay it over to the next. Next is a report from. Colliers. Craig, it's nice to, nice to see you and members of your, your, your team. It's also nice to see folks from FAA. Thank you so much for joining. Craig. Thank you, Austin. So I think. One of the things that we had that we want to go over today and so taking things kind of out of order is the design team is here, both Josephine and Steve, and they've got several updates to make to the building committee tonight. So maybe before we get into any of the other things on my agenda, I'd like to turn things over to them if that's okay with you. So we can maximize their, the benefit of their time with us. Absolutely. Thank you. Awesome. So Josephine Steve have a number of things. They've got some information for us about the gender inclusive toilets. I believe some information about a proposed elevator relocation. Possibly some other things that I'm forgetting at the moment, but I'll turn things over to them. Great. Everyone. Thanks, Craig. Yeah, we'll start with the gender neutral. Bathroom layouts and then we can sort of take it from there and walk through whatever you folks would like to further. But, oh, I guess first thing I should share my screen. Do I have the ability to, to share. And she does she have the ability to share. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. As a panelist, you do. Thank you so much. So everybody can see my screen. I assume. Yes. Great. And if it's not large enough to view, just let me know I can escape from this viewing mode and get zoomed in into certain locations. But yeah, so we'll review restrooms. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. First and, and to start that off. We thought we would just show the ground floor plan here because this is the area that we. We're looking at for these. Gender inclusive restrooms. So this is the ground level as everybody recalls. From our previous meetings and these are restrooms right here. If you can see my cursor on the screen. Yeah. Yeah. So the time is precious for everybody. And what we're doing here for these design options that we're looking at is sort of taking it back to like 60,000 foot view. We're sort of looking at three options. And we're calling them light, medium and heavy. Mainly because we'll go through the reasonings behind them all, and then we'll look at the changes to the current layout that we have. It's basically like minimal impact to the design that's currently there. It's more of a signage change than anything, but what you'll see in this layout is that we are showing both toilets and urinals in both restrooms. What this basically does is provide you two restrooms identical. What we're going to look into is quantities. And of course, that'll all be tied into the code report as we further the design. So once we have quantities established, we'll figure out how many toilets and urinals we need in each restroom, but it'll be identical. And the only thing that's really a change here is the signage on the door. And it's, as we said, a minimal change. So this would be our light option. The next option, as we're calling medium, is moderate change to the current floor plan. This would remove the urinals from both options or both restrooms, but you still do have two restrooms. And what you have here is just toilets in each restroom. Again, the signage would reflect the universal design. And we're calling this moderate. As you can see here, there is a fixture change. And it would still allow future, being able to go back in the future if you wanted to, to sort of change up the signage, that would still be the only change that you would really have to do if you wanted to go back down the road to make any, you know, further changes or go back to how things were previously with your signage. And then the last one is the heavy option and this is the biggest change. This would have the most significant impacts to the design. This also would be a little bit more difficult to go back to if you wanted to down the road. And this would also change the cost a little bit because as you can see here, this would be a single room with just toilet stalls. It's a one room for all setup. And what you have is just one day of sinks that everybody would be using. So we are showing this as closed off. We do understand that some folks because of privacy concerns do like to leave them open. And so it's more of an airport type configuration or layout, if you will. But there are some establishments that do have these rooms closed off. With that said, a lot of times that you see layouts like this, they do also have adjoining family rooms or, you know, unisex toilets, like we have on level one. And that's something that we could look into because we probably will have the space. If it's laid out in this way, we could potentially use one side for the. The restroom and then we could have some of the leftover space that is on one of the sides for the janitor's closet and the unisex toilet stall, if that was desired. Josephine, before you go forward, could you tell us a little bit about the cost implications of the moderate heavy. What are the differences in terms of the cost. Yeah, so with heavy, the, the biggest thing here is probably security. So a lot of these types of layouts will have full floor to ceiling closure on the toilet stalls. And that's where the impact on cost changes a bit. This has probably the most significant cost difference and we don't know exactly what that is yet. We've seen different ranges just online, but we haven't looked into it. Into into it too much further but what what's going on with full height stalls is more material. Lighting impacts ventilation impacts potential floor drains things like that of that nature once you close off each stall. And that's sort of where the more of the cost implications come in into play for this layout. Medium and light. I think it's probably minimal changes because you're looking at just changing out fixture types. Okay. And I don't think if you have anything to add as far as costs go but those are like the initial big picture costs that we think would be. You know, most significant. Well, hands up, but I will say, you know, you're what you described as the cost that matches my understanding as well. Okay, I see George and then Paul George. Do any of these changes decrease spaces surrounding it like do these do any of these footprints increase in size over the original plan. So in these layouts we're using the same footprint. So until we get further clarification from our code consultant on the quantities. I think we were a little conservative here. I don't see us necessarily needing more fixtures but until we get that squared away with the code consultant. That would be the only thing that might increase it. But I think we are kind of conservative on the counts right now so so we're probably pretty close to the square footage that we would need. Paul, could you just scroll back to medium and light again. Please. Should we go back to light first. Sure. Okay. Paul, did you have specific questions or you just want to see them again. Yes, I mean, I mean the thing when we talk about signage, I mean there's two things one is going to ask about changing tables for diapers and for babies and stuff but I assume that's going to be included. I mean, the way I like to see things is just to describe what's inside, just like, you know, two toilets, one urinal or, you know, three, three year three toilets with one building and one toilet one urinal and that people choose where they want to go by the fixtures as opposed to some other identifying features. I mean, my sense is. Yeah. I'd rather have one bit one room that has all toilets and then one room that has a mixture. Okay. Alex and then Christine Alex. Thanks. Just be nice to, because you don't know the code requirements yet do are all the fixtures contemplated for accessibility or is it contemplated that only one is or just curious if that's different between the three designs or how that's factored in wheelchair accessibility is mostly what I'm thinking about. Yeah. Sure, yes. That will depend on the route we take. If we have two stalls we would need, or have two restaurants we would need what we have here, which is both restaurants would need to have an ADA stall for my understanding the one thing that might change slightly is if we have to go for a variance for one or more of these options we definitely would need a variance for option three that have the option. That's another thing that we still have to investigate further but our code, we did get in touch with our code consultant and and he most definitely thinks we would need a variance from the state for option three. The, the first couple of options sometimes can be done through the health inspector and the local, you know, plumbing inspector, and sometimes they're kind of easy going about that sort of thing when it's a sign exchange more so than creating a room for all with, you know, a multi fixture situation that's our understanding so far but I think we would need to dive in a little bit further to figure that out but back to the question on accessibility. It sort of depends on which layout we go but we go with but we would need to see how many counts that we would need for accessibility stalls but of course we'll, you know, dig into that, you know with the code. So we, you know, have direction. Okay, Christine. Yeah, not to dive too much into bathroom function, but as a woman, I never use urinals. The difference between the light and the medium mostly seems to be the urinals or toilets and as a woman, what I've noticed in public spaces, there always seems to be a line at the women's room and rarely at the men's. So I'm just a little concerned that I don't understand the light. The benefit is when half, half the population or whatever can't use a urinal. So how do you get away with that and plumbing code and why wouldn't because everybody can use toilets why wouldn't you just go with toilets. But I don't use urinals so Josephine. So I think that's just the having two restrooms for all situation so you can go into either one and anybody can use it. But I think some people also want that ability to revert, you know, back if they wanted to and just have that flexibility just, you know, to go either way with the floor plan layout. I think I'm not quite sure if they choose to have this. I think it's by establishment by codes, you know, local codes, I think every state to is different and people are just seeing it's still sort of new for a lot of establishments, you know, going this direction so I think everybody's finding different ways of setting it up for for their establishment. I don't understand what's not but they're trying to figure out figure it out still, I think. And of course, you know, after talking with our code consultant and, you know, understanding having a conversation with the health department and local inspector I think that will weigh in on some of the decisions that that get made down the road, as well. Christine did that answer your question. I just have one. So, again with the urinals I'm thinking like in libraries, we have a lot of families and kids, and I do have two girls and boy, but kids usually just use the toilet not urinals also just thinking numbers like I don't know how that enters into the option. I'm just really don't like between the light and the medium it just seems to be the difference of the urinals and that I know it's part of the gender inclusivity but it, if we're trying to go for usability with most people wouldn't you just go with toilets I'm still confused by this. Josephine did you want to say anything else about this at this point, because we have more questions. I'm not sure I've got anything more to add to it. But understanding your response I'm sorry to interrupt you but I understand your response to Christine to be is that the reason to go with the light option is if someday one were to say we don't want gender inclusive restrooms, then you would have urinals and toilets. Is that what the answer question is. I think, I think what I would first say is just that if you want to go to the gender inclusive route that anybody can enter either room and use any of the fixtures that they would like. It's for everybody. So, one person doesn't necessarily need to go to this restroom because they want to use urinal. I think the idea is really to make them the same. At the end of the day that's whether it's all toilets or toilets and urinals, then you could go in either one. Okay. Craig, did you want to say something on this and then and Paul and standard. Sure, I was, I was just going to say, we're in slightly uncharted territories you know there's no prescriptive code for for these things and so it is a little bit of a guessing game and I think. I think what Alexander is trying to show you so various options but within those options. You know whatever is most acceptable to the town or the community is you know the way we can go. And so I think just showing the options of having urinals and toilet stalls in both is one route, but it's not one that we have to take. Okay, Paul, what did you want to defer to Alex. Okay. I just wanted to ask, because I hear the uncharted and consulting codes and inspectors and whatnot. I just sort of wanted to ask, like, have there been any non binary or gender queer people involved in looking at these three options. No, this is just us, you know, we have some research that we've done, but we haven't gone through. I mean, these, these options are from the research that we've done, and sort of trying to show you what we can sort of do with the footprint that we have. And, and yeah, just sort of like starting to touch base on what the process would be and what we what next steps would be and that sort of thing. Craig, what did you want to speak to the interest question. Yes, it's sort of coincidental I was in a meeting earlier today with clients right up the road from you guys UMass Amherst. And they have in one of their buildings have done gender inclusive toilets. And we weren't even a meeting about that but there was a student in the room who identifies as being within the LGBTQ community, and said how empowering and appreciated it. Those single stall, you know, group toilets were. So, my point being is there is an example right up the road. I believe it's in the student union building that perhaps we can schedule a little tour. And those are you telling us would be the third option. I'm not sure the exact configuration I think it's probably somewhere in between the medium or the heavy options here. But I don't know, I don't know that for sure that there may be urinals in there as well. Xander. Yeah, thank you like a. I think this is an opportunity to, I really appreciate that example Craig because I think this is an opportunity to engage our full community and really also you know, do the work and I don't. I don't know if there's something we need to vote on today but the outreach community or the outreach committee could even do some of the work of like reaching out to our queer community and like making sure that everyone feels safe within our library. Right. Thank you. Craig are you are you use your hands still up are you. Alex with Ron. Yeah, I just want to build on what Alex is saying. So, I do we have a sense of when, when do we have to make a decision or some decision and what sort of timeline do we have to reach out to the LGBTQ community to ask those questions. Josephine. We did discuss with Greg, you know, timeline for this, the sort of thing and we, as you know, we'll be submitting sds very soon. So this is something that can happen after we can sort of just keep plugging away. Again, as we noted, the biggest cost difference is really with option three. I don't think that it's, you know, an impact so much that, you know, we need to be too concerned with if we keep plugging away with the sd set as it is at the moment. We could potentially, you know, pull out a little alternate if we needed to, just to this particular room and, and, you know, ask for if we thought we wanted to go this direction and we could, you know, ask for a price on that option three. Sort of keep it like kind of pulled away and separate I suppose that's something we could consider doing for the sd submission, but I think this is something that you know, we can begin dds and, and hopefully start getting some some feedback in the same time what we could do on our end is have our code consultants start looking into, you know, calling the plumbing inspector and start making those calls that he needs to as well so we can get more information as well. So we have time. The answer to the question is we have time to do what Xander and Alex have now referenced. Yes, I would say that it doesn't have to be done before the sd submission. Great. Right. That's great. That's great to hear. So, Josephine just to be clear. Is this are you looking for what kind of feedback are you looking for from the committee today. So we have a couple more images we want to go through with with you on this, just to go through some options for the toilet stalls themselves just to show you what's out there and also, you know, get your, your, your lines start to, you know, thinking about percolating about like different opportunity or different options for these the layouts and the privacy concerns that I know is going to be out there for you with with some of these options. And, and so before we wrap up on this, just to quickly run through. Some of you have already seen these images, but to the left is basically what we were talking about as far as full height partitions. Florida ceiling with maximum privacy. And so that sometimes will lead to, of course, the security concerns. And of course, it's also the priciest of the options for, you know, closing off, but it does also give people that, you know, the privacy that they might be looking for in that kind of setup. But then you also can go to something that's a little less of a concern, perhaps, because these partitions here on the right. We're calling semi private. You have a couple of options. The doors are stopping short of the floor. So you can see if someone's in there. And the side part partitions in between they, you have the option, and those can also be stopped short of floor or go for sailing. That's something that can be decided later as well. We feel like this one maybe is a little bit more of a balance and we're seeing these installed in more locations, even in restrooms that aren't gender neutral, we're seeing these installed. And I think it's just because people are looking down the road, they can potentially just change the signs on the door and sort of move forward with, you know, a gender neutral bathroom down the road and have, you know, the option of having something that's a little bit more private. And then of course you have your standard partitions that, you know, you'll see in a lot of restrooms, you see them all the time when you go out right. And of course, this is just, you know, the least amount of security concerns, but at least as least expensive, of course. But I think you're seeing the other type of semi private more often these days. So we just wanted to throw these out there for you guys to start thinking about. Okay, correct. So, doubling back on the timing question so design development goes from August through November, I would say it would be ideal if, you know, whatever further questions and information can be brought up and answered. If the decision be rendered maybe by the end of August, I think would be a good goal. And then that would get it in early enough in dbs that that it, that it in theory shouldn't have a huge impact Josephine does that sound like an appropriate timing. Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I was thinking the same thing really. And Alex just to check in that sounds reasonable from the outreach committee's point of view. Yeah, I think so that gives us that gives us a sense of timing, which is great. Thank you. Great. Okay. Again, Josephine, are you interested in people's reactions now to these private semi private. If anyone has any comments or questions they can go to ask. George. I believe and correct me if I'm wrong but the semi private stalls also alleviate the need for added ventilation and lighting. Am I correct. Correct. Yes, they don't go all the way. So you like I like I had said they could go to the side partitions could go to the floor. But they don't go all the way up and they're not closed off so you wouldn't need separate ventilation or lighting. Other observations or questions. Okay, I see. I see no hands. So you have anything else Josephine on restrooms. Okay. Shall we move on to elevator. That would be good. Okay. So, what we'll do is just, I think we'll take you right to the top floor to show you really where the biggest impact. Well, what will I guess get started level one what we did here was. We understand the concern to have two elevators so we looked at bringing the new elevator all the way to the top floor and eliminating the existing elevator. So, the existing elevator if you can see my cursor was right here. So, we gained a little bit of square footage and all of the spaces where the existing elevator was the current elevator stayed the same on all levels. So, stayed the same here and again just remove the footprint of the existing elevator. But if we go to the top level you'll see the biggest change we did gain back square footage here in the reading room which is really great for the space opens up sight lines as well. But this floor is where it impacts the most, because this new elevator now goes up this level to make it accessible. So, again, existing elevator was here is now gone, we have the new stair that we're building here is going up to this level so this is the footprint of that that you're seeing down here. And what we did here was create this corridor if you will, to access the elevator at this level. So, what this does, you will see it in a couple of different places but what we're going to show you is just sort of a 3D view outside and what that will look like. And another thing that it doesn't take up too much of a footprint which is great news. What it will do is cut through the existing roof here at this location so it will eliminate one of the dormers if you will. And that's within that existing roof if you, if you will, sort of where the roof in the wall meet. And so, with that I'll take you to the 3D view and this is just a quick shot of the of the rabbit model from Amity Street, sort of from the sidewalk and and and this is it right here. So, you know, we will of course be going through mass historic, etc, to, to, you know, review all of these changes that we're making, but we don't think that this is too much of an impact, since it is pushed out so far back. It's not going up that high. And we do see the benefit of not having to maintain to elevators and to service to elevators for the life of the building. So just to be clear, Josephine, as I'm walking up to the library, I'm going to see this basically elevator shaft. Yes. How is that going to sit with respect to the roof line of the new of the, the addition. So the roof line of the addition. Well, we have a few different levels of the addition. Yeah. So, and we can certainly, you know, send over elevations as well for you to see that we don't have use, you know, in that direction for tonight. But we do have a couple of different roof planes that are actually happening. So it does not go higher than the existing relation. And we did, I mean, we did look at it from all angles and don't feel that it's a big impact to the roof lines from our initial assessment. Okay. Since we're in the design group, we're talking a lot about the outside look and materials. What Josephine would do you think you would cover that with because I know we have materials we're looking at on the addition. But for the part where we see it right now with the old building, what would we do to have it blend in for this area we most likely will be looking at metal panel. It's not going to be colored or like gray, it most likely will be a gray. It will probably match will probably match the mental panel that we're using anywhere else on the building. I want to make sure I understood your response. You mean the elevator shaft that I'm looking at will be metal. It's not going to be, it's not going to be stone or anything it's going to be Europe saying it will be metal, like the metal of the roof. Most likely will be metal panel. You know we haven't really resolved all the materials using yet on the building, but we are looking at metal panel for certain elements. Okay, well, we'll get back to that Christine. Sure, yeah. I don't see any other hand so I just want to ask a second question about. This is more expensive to do this and I assume but it's worth it because we're worried about maintenance of two elevators, but how much because I'm, I'm really thinking about, is there any worry about cutting into the roof because I know it's late and old. Is that like worrisome or costly. Well, you know, we're not worried about this option but it will be more costly upfront. We're not servicing to elevators for the life of the building it's one of those, you know, it's all it's always a balance of what you spend upfront versus the lifetime on sort of like the sustainability options we looked at so many times right. How much, you know, you want to spend upfront versus the, you know, 20 years from now or 30 years from now. So, you know, that having two elevators can be a big resource string, you know, on the facility. So, you know, Craig, you might have something else to add as far as existing a new but we don't see any, any concerns with, I mean, it's definitely a little bit more work now upfront. Again, dealing with existing elevator we understand the concerns of that. Great. And yes, thank you, Austin. And aside from the cost difference there's also the added benefit of this plan in that it opens up the floor plate for some more gracious spaces on several of the levels so there's so it's not just so the balance is, you know, more upfront cost but helps with the layout and lower operating and maintenance going forward. George. Um, and also just just to clarify the existing elevator. In this case would go away so there would be cost savings from not refurbishing it, but also if that original elevator was to stay it would not increase in size therefore it would still not be completely usable as a handicap accessible elevator because it's not up to code. Size wise, am I right. I want to say that is correct, but I would have to look at the dimensions again but I'm from what I recall it was not handicap accessible, which would mean, you know, they would still have to use the new elevator. So you are correct and, in fact, refurbishing costs would would be, you know, a factor as well. Josephine, can you go back to the third level. Please. Right. No, no, that's that's the level I wanted to see so roughly what is the length of the hallways that that you're showing from the elevator that kind of L shape hallway. Steve, do you know off the top of your head. I know he's been modeling like crazy so I do not but if you give me a couple minutes to circle back I will figure that out for you. And I'm just thinking about it in terms of its accessibility for someone in a in a wheelchair navigating that particular sharp corner I assume that the hallways will be wide enough to make that possible. Absolutely. Okay. Okay, questions or thoughts about this revised elevator design. Okay, seeing none. And again, I'm just going to continue to ask this question Josephine so from the point of view of moving forward in schematics and into design development. We are now our silence is an endorsement of this elevator plan. Paul. Yeah, I endorse one elevator. I mean when we talked to help Holyoke they said one elevator was plenty for them. And so totally endorse it and getting rid of maintaining two elevators is huge. Yeah, Steve. Yeah, I just want to let you know so coming off the elevator the length of that hallway before you make the right hand turn will be 16 feet. And then to the end of the existing dormer there will be 2525 feet long. So it's a long 16 feet so long, long hallway. Yes. Okay. I'm just I'm interested in your view of your sense of this third level, you've got a stair coming up you got another stair coming up. And the elevator it in terms of the this level it it feels a little odd to see these staircases coming up and then the the hallway down to the elevator. Yeah, and honestly Austin I think we can actually. This was sort of our first pass at this approach at this design. And I think what we can do is look at this layout a little bit more because we had a couple of, you know, corners and turns here that we had previously because of the elevator the existing elevator and I think now that if it's gone, we can do a little rework on this floor and and even the stair can, we can do a little bit of rejiggering on the stairs well to make this layout work a little bit smoother I think. Okay, Steve. I just wanted to piggyback off that with our so the main the main port. The primary goal of the study was to make sure because of the roof planes the way they come down was making sure we had enough head height for the stair so that you had enough had clearance as you came up this floor to make sure where it landed now that we know that the way it can work we can definitely rejigger we can probably rejigger the stair in a way so that you don't feel like you're coming into this kind of like you're not you're not coming right up to the landing of the other stair. Yeah, yeah. It's a complicated complicated geometry section sectionally that was that was what was the driver here for this initial. The initial pass at this. Okay. Alex, did you want to say something. Yeah, I just, I mean I obviously like the, the maintenance of one elevator versus two but I also like that the boardroom which will also be serving as a public meeting room feels a lot more accessible for somebody who needs an ADA compliant elevator. And also just want to comment that our staff area because right now. We don't have an accessible staff area and having an elevator that easily leads to the staff area, I think, makes for a much more friendly environment to be able to hire staff with accessibility needs so I just want to add that on to the list of things that I appreciate about this change. Yeah, thank you, Alex. And I'm just going to say for myself I'm looking forward to seeing the re jiggering, because this just strikes me as not a particularly workable. And inviting kind of layout, but, again, I'm looking forward to the reader and Steve did you want to say something else. No, forgive me I forgot to lower my hand. Okay. All right. So we are going to go forward with the one elevator approach. Appreciate greatly the work that you've done to show us the way this is likely going to play out on each level. There are no other questions about the elevators you another item listed was exterior materials. You have more for us on exterior materials. We don't have anything for tonight for exterior materials. I think that was Friday's discussion. Yep. So let's go left over. Okay. Yes, so what I discussed with final Alexander is they'll present that information at the design subcommittee on Friday. Great. But they might have one more thing, which is the dedicated room for the Civil War tablets. Yes, thank you. You guys show them that. Let's go back down to the ground floor. So yes, we did sneak in the Civil War tablet room here and exhibit space. So what we did was we split this area into two spaces instead of one. And excuse me. And so the Civil War tablets you'll see here on the left. And we have a couple of doors accessing it, which of course we can, you know, get into further how it's going to be used and how you want circulation in there. But we have the special collections. The workroom here. Sorry, the text I think is wrong. This was the workroom and this was the exhibit room. Roughly Josephine what are the dimensions of the proposed I can't see it says 540 square feet. Is that what it says. Yes. Yeah, the Civil War tablets of it is 545. And in calculating that dimension you took into account the dimensions and the number of the tablets themselves. We use the square footage number that was given to us. And so I think there is some discussion on where they will go and how they will be laid out, whether it's on the walls or not. So that could be a further discussion. That, you know, that is had and if we need to adjust some numbers we can. And then Paul before I call on you, I just want Sharon to. This is a reduction in the special collections. Area. What is the. Yes, what you have to say about that. So my only concern. So I love this my, but my only concern is it does mean a loss of space for, you know, climate controlled storage space, which is one of the reasons that we are expanding special collections was for that purpose. So it's just something to keep in mind as we're moving forward. Okay. Paul. Yeah, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and thinking about this. I'd, you know, be interested to know from the civil, I know you're meeting with the civil or tablets group. So in terms of how you know if they're if they're the wall space works or if they think they want them on walls to begin with whatever. And the other thing I would think would be beneficial since that's a very public space because of the meeting room and everything is if that interior walls that could be there's going to be some glass or something or people could look in and see them after hours where they could be lit and, you know, even if there's not access available people could peer in and see, oh, look at these things. So just a thought. Josephine was nodding. Good point. Yep. We I think we had sort of initial discussions with Sharon on that. And it sort of depends on what route you want to take with display. And, and we always, depending on how you want the views in. We could potentially of course this could be this could have more glass or that could be a storage wall where some of the existing exterior masonry walls get punched so that way you can see in more. But I think ultimately it's going to depend on how you folks want to display them and the amount of area that we have. Yeah, I think if I followed your cursor I don't think it's the interior wall separating special collections from the Civil War tablets that Paul was referencing but rather that that's okay great. Sharon. So my question is, does it and I can't see the square footage figures so maybe that's the answer to the question, but I thought it made sense for the special collections exhibit space to be next to the Civil War tablets room. And so I thought you were going to switch the exhibit space with the workroom. Is it a square footage issue. We're pretty close to square footage exhibits is in the high 600s, and the workroom is this close to 600. So it's pretty close so we could do a swap out on those two if you wanted to. So let's do a swap out and here's and again you guys are going to meet with the Civil War tablets folks but what I was thinking was, whether it's one big room or two separate rooms. There's a benefit to being able to use that space after hours, because it could all really work quite beautifully together. So I think, as much as I think my special collection staff would be sad to see the workroom move across the hallway, I think there are more benefits to the Civil War tablets being next to the exhibit space. George, you let your hand up. That was my only concern about swapping them was how would the special collection staff provide oversight for the reading room. If it was across the hall from all of their other operations. That's my only concern there. Okay. Other thoughts observations about the proposed room for the Civil War tablets. Okay, pending further consultation. Thank you for this proposal. Thanks very much for this proposal. Okay, anything else from FAA. The last thing we're just going to quickly touch base on to not take up too much more of your time but absolutely. So to the last image we just wanted to show the rendering and just quickly touch base on a point that was brought up just about existing in and and new and the new edition and how it ties into the existing. I know you folks had done a few library tours in the past week or so. And, and hopefully that was really beneficial and you got to pull away some, some, you know, some interesting ideas. And so I think someone had mentioned holy oak and of course, you know, that is a project that we reference a lot but what we're sort of doing with with Jones library is very similar in the sense that we have a lot of existing walls, beautiful existing nasonry walls and we're adding on to the rear of the building and we will introduce, you know, these spaces that are seeing these old walls as they are. And it's one of the most fun parts of adding on to an existing building is bringing the outside in. And so we sort of draw that line and sort of start new with the new edition and we sometimes will carry elements from the old building across like lines or patterns or, you know, things of that nature. But we do sort of draw that line and, and have a clear difference of where the new is. But I think that was just a question that had popped up. Well, I want to pursue it a little bit because what I noticed in holy oak was in the old section of the library, you had wonderful woodwork carvings really interesting detail at stopped, then you went into the new part of the building. And the only thing that referenced the old building, at least to my eye and again others might have seen other things was the exterior wall that was now an interior wall. So my question is, is it possible to do something in the new part of the building. That carries some of the architectural detail signature or aesthetic of the interior design of the old building. Because I didn't see that at all in holy oak. I mean it felt that these, they were kind of two buildings that were just kind of put together and that there was nothing that kind of unified them architecturally other than the couple places where the exterior wall showed. So I wasn't talking particularly about the exterior wall because I know that you intended to do that I was talking about the kind of, is there any, I mean you can't you know, replicate the detail of that. You know 1900s building and holy oak in quite the way it was done but is there any way of tying some some of it together a little bit more. Yeah. There's, you know, a couple of different reasons why we do typically go that direction but sometimes it's not as easy to be read. But we do. We do always, you know, try to look at, you know, important lines. We try to carry, you know, different elevations. Like I mentioned patterns. But we do try to also because of some, you know, when we're adding on to these historic buildings. We do also have the issue of not matching exactly what is there through mass historic etc they don't, they like to see the difference of where you know new starts. And so we do try to do certain things but we don't match, you know, certain like level of detail of historic would work for instance. Yeah, well I will continue to raise this question because my my issue isn't matching exactly my issue is doing something that produces a little more of a sense that these buildings have some kind of a different relationship to each other but Paul and then correct correct Paul. Yeah, so I really love the outside. It would often reference the outside exterior as the interior. And I think that really gives it it recognizes the old building I think that's it looks really cool it makes it it differentiates the building somewhat. I think they talked about the roof connection between the old and new is being the major problem area, and that you had to be, you know, that's where they had water infiltration and making that work was really important so I know that would be on your radar screen but Yeah, so I just want to applaud your incorporation of this and having it be up close and personal like it looks like on the stairwell is kind of cool, because that's what they didn't Holy Eucharist need to see. Thank you, Paul, Craig and then Anika, Craig you're muted. Thank you awesome. So, perhaps this is something we can dig into a little more depth in design subcommittee but you know there are there are challenges to adding in details, you know the craftsmanship is just not there nowadays, compared to you know 100 years But as Josephine was alluding to carrying important lines, you know either either horizontal lines or vertical proportions into elements in the new building, you know there's some potential maybe for that, but I think I think it's a it's a it would be a good thought exercise and maybe something we can dig into a little bit more with the design team but while at the same time keeping that that separation not not making the old building of the new addition look, you know, you know falsely look like an older building, but I think there's some some opportunity for more discussion. Okay, thank you, Anika. Yes, I just wanted to add that I love the section as well I love anything that makes you feel like you're outdoors, especially with you know, New England climate. I'd imagine it looks so beautiful in the winter to all year. The winter time as well and I just wanted to add a thank you for a very generous proposed space for the Civil War times. Great thank you Anika. Any other comments. FAA. Okay, no other questions or comments. We want to thank you again for the work that you're doing for the progress that you're making, we can see this progress now. Kind of clearly almost meeting by meeting as you're taking on some of these issues and it's really wonderful, wonderful to see. Craig, I think we're back to you. Yes, thank you Austin. So, let's see. So Josephine and Steve, I would say unless the building committee has more that they want to ask for or involve you and I would say thank you for coming this evening. But perhaps you can make your exit. Thank you very much. Good to see everyone. Thank you. Thanks so much. Okay, so back to the OPM report. So project schedule. I'll show my share my screen, get tight it up a little bit here. There we go. So here's our schedule I did not. Unfortunately, I did not have time to move that little red line over, but you can imagine it here to the end of June. We're still in schematic design but we are approaching the end portion, which will involve some cost estimates review and reconciliation those cost estimates, which I'll talk a little bit more about in a minute. And as far as the temporary location we're still solidly in that collecting public input phase portion of the phase when it comes to the construction estimates to give the building committee and the public a little recap. What my office recommends is actually to cost estimates for each phase. So one cost estimate will be provided by the design team, they've engaged fantasy consulting to provide their cost estimate that's part of their design package. We recommend that the town have their own independent cost estimator. Look at the same packages and provide their own cost estimate and then what we do is we go through a process of reconciliation, where we see what the differences are and get the two cost estimate professionals to come to an agreement. The function of this is with anything talking about making predictions of the future. It is, it's notoriously difficult to do that accurately so having two different professionals looking to separate sets of eyes. And then reconcile them will give you a more reliable anticipated cost and will help you make decisions with with better information. Now there is a cost to that we did include in the budget $40,000 for that effort. We have, let's see, we on behalf of the town my office solicited three cost estimating firms. We had PM and see all very well known very experienced and reputable firms PM and see came back with a cost estimate. AM for gritty was not available. And writer Levitt Bucknell came back with a cost estimate the other two we received the lowest cost is writer Levitt Bucknell or our LB at 34,500 so it comes in nicely within the budget we had assigned. So it would be for three cost estimating exercises one at the end of schematic design, one at the end of design development, and one at the 75% construction document phase, and those align with what the design team and their costs is the mirror are doing. So, we talked about this a little bit offline. So, you know, who, who should best approve that we are getting to the point July 1 is when the design documents will be available, and then both sets of cost estimators will have to just two weeks to give us their numbers. And then we'll start reconciling. So prior to that July 1. We are recommendation that the town queue up their cost estimator of choice, which I think would be our LB. So that is sort of my update for both schedule and budget. Are there any questions about that or well I'm eager to hear from Sean and Paul about this second cost, this idea of the second cost estimation Sean. I think it's critical that we get these cost estimates at the time, the phases that Craig recommended because it's this is really all we have in order to make adjustments or to kind of see if we're on track or getting off track. So I think, you know, I would lean towards what Craig recommended. I don't know if we're going to Craig I don't know if the expectation was that this committee will sort of vote to move forward with those or if you're looking for a vote or just sort of nodding heads. But I think it makes sense to move forward with the cost estimates. Yeah, I would assume that this is really a question of the committee's endorsement and support but that this decision is really it's a town decision but does anybody have any thoughts about the second cost estimation. Okay, hearing none Paul did you want to say anything about it. No I agree I think this is the most critical time in terms of impacting the cost of this project and knowing more accurately what the costs are and what the driving forces are in the cost and what the pieces are that can move around is really important for us so. Yeah I agree if there's no objection by the committee we can move forward on that. So maybe just kind of quickly follow up through our last Craig maybe you know this you may not because you weren't with us from the beginning but the last costume that we cost estimate that we had was based on a design from I think 2021 writer earlier. So it's been some quite some time since we actually had a cost estimate on the latest design, is that correct. Yes, so the most recent information we've received was actually just a retooling of the cost estimate so it's was brought up to modern market understanding what it is, like you said of the old design. So we will be getting kind of a fresh look at the end of this design phase. Thank you, Alex. For relative to the bathroom. I heard Josephine say that we could treat that as an alternate so is that something that would be included in this first cost estimate and we would have both the independent do an alternate as well. Yes, exactly. Other than that we included in the scope of services is couple add or deduct alternates for that exact reason so we can try out different combinations without going too crazy we only want to do a couple of them but to see what the cost of fact would be for say these big moves. Great. Okay, I think we're all on board and appreciate the recommendation and the endorsement from the town. Craig. The next item on the agenda. Sorry. Was some information about the, about ever source. So last time we met we spoke about the memorandum of understanding and talk about the program and availability. I think there were two questions. One was what happens if the town signs that memorandum of understanding but then for other for future reasons unknown to us now decides to back out. And I saw I asked that question of ever source and they gave a very clear answer that it is a non binding memorandum of understanding it so there are negative consequences, aside from just losing out on the opportunity to rebates. And then the second one was how did you know there are three entities three stakeholders, the, you know the board of trustees the town and the library building committee, and ever source clarified or reiterated that the entity that is paying the bill is the entity that they consider the customer. And so I believe that is the, well, I won't guess but Sharon I believe that's the trustees. Yeah, we're the one with the meter unless you guys want to take that on that'd be great. I think you volunteered and so take it. So this, this will come to the board of trustees of the library for its review and decision. Okay. Craig anything else interim location. Okay, no report on that aside from that we're still collecting information phase. I want to ask you a question which how is find go Alexander doing. Are you finding them. Well, how are they doing. I'm very happy with their performance. They're responsive. They are, they are very experienced. They have been very pleased with the product and and the process and your primary contact with FAA is so they're multiple so the, I any any communication I have is always with Alan Anceloni. Yeah, wasn't able to attend today. That's fine. Josephine and Steve, and then obviously you know Tony is involved, Jim Alexander is involved somewhat as needed. Yes, you got it. Okay. All right, any questions for any other questions for call yours. Other than, oh, yeah, send it. I just wanted to ask on the temporary building. I just trying to figure out how we do outreach around that and what services and whatever. It's a little tricky until we have an idea of where that might be and so I'm just curious timeline on that and how it coincides with sort of the production of like, August as the end of outreach. So let me pull up that schedule again. So let's have a graphic. So, managing that red line shifted over still in June but towards the end we are saying the first half of this public input phase, where simultaneously. We'll be collecting information I guess preferences or thoughts about what would be ideal or most convenient for people are preferred. We're assuming that there's going to be multiple locations that the existing two branches will continue to function. But then there'll also be, you know, maybe a location here in town that will be for administrative location here in town that's for another function. So, by the end of August is when we recommend start signing signing the contracts and getting those lined up. So sorry, it's not a ton of new information. Does that sort of answer your question. Yes, in that we're going to have to figure it out. I appreciate that. And I don't imagine, unless Sharon and Paul want to tell me that that they're going to be like we're going to be doing site selection there are four sites we're going to choose one. I don't imagine that's what we're going to be doing. Right, we're going to have a site. And that's, is that, is that right. That that that's what I think. Yeah, our options are kind of going to be limited and and so regarding the outreach committee and and and public input. I'm not sure the question should be where should it be located I think it should be more about the services what kinds of services do you want to see provided during those two years that were located in different spots. Right. If I understood what Craig just said, it's not going to be one site. We're gonna have to figure out which services go where because things are going to. Is that right Craig. So that's not that's not a Craig. That's not a Craig. I'm sorry Craig I would never stop you from responding. That's a Sharon Sherry answer Craig is not responsible for the allocation of library services unless he's been doing something on the slide. I think that the spaces are going to dictate what goes where you know we need X amount of square feet for adult circulation for example and I don't think we're going to have a lot of choices as to where that will go as opposed to office space which is, you know, a different beast so I. Yeah. But those things I think the question is you're going to want to hear from the public about what their thoughts or concerns are that you can respond in so far as it is possible to what those concerns are about service. The other reason for doing public outreach about this is to inform the public so we'll gather with the but you'll also be telling people in advance that this is what the plan is and they can react to that plan. Okay, Xander it does that your hand is still up. Are you. Sorry, I just left it up but I got that we can inform people Sharon's got it. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Okay, so we've got two subcommittee reports and then I'm going to ask Sean to do the financial updates so a subcommittee report from the design subcommittee whose next meeting is the 24th of June there is a question about the time of that meeting. So, is it at nine or is it at 10, what has it been posted for. Angie, it's been posted for 10. Christine. So our meetings are usually at nine. But in the coordination of determining the agenda. I put it at 10. And I also just want to check in with Craig, if that's okay with him and if that's what fAA is expected. Correct. That time works for me and fAA I believe was invited by Angie's Angela's most recent invitation so I think 10 o'clock is what they're planning on as well. Okay, Christine. So the meeting is at 10 o'clock on Friday. The design subcommittee continues to sort of do the preliminary work questions to the designer to sort of get them to dive deeper and get information ready to bring to this larger committee. So a lot of things that we saw today we had seen parts of on the design group. So the next thing that's coming up on Friday is we're going to dive deeper into this new room for the Civil War tablets. And the Civil War tablet committee will have representatives there. And the other thing we'll be talking more about is the exterior materials. We saw some more options at our last meeting but they're going to, you know, they can't do cost cost estimates at this point but they're going to come back with more information to help us kind of decide what we think are better options regarding what ones are more expensive or less or more expensive or less expensive so that's what will be on Friday. On Friday is we're going to be doing round three of evaluating and going through all the public comments that the outreach committee is working really hard to get. We've got, we're actually going to bring you round two tonight today right now, but round three will be going over which will complete all the comments that were collected as of like May 16. But I do have a question for Craig. Craig, will we be seeing any other comments from since that period that have to do that are time sensitive to the schematic design. I will check on that short answer that I don't know I haven't had a moment to check yet, but I will do that. Okay, let's say sometime tomorrow. I will somehow either add them into the spreadsheet or okay great so we'll watch for those and anyone on the design subcommittee be aware that you may get another round of additional comments that because we just want to get those done because we are racing towards the end of schematic time. So with that, I was going to ask, I don't know Craig or Sharon if you can pull up the current spreadsheet that we're working on. And as it comes up, I just want to comment to people that there's, we're only working on a second round, a second section in this which I do believe is orange, when it comes up we'll see. And Sharon had added six additional ones that were new that are highlighted in yellow. So, Sharon I don't know if you want to do this or I can do this but it's probably better if you do this but overall when we looked at these comments they were either already being addressed or have been addressed or the designer already is aware of, of the comments or concerns and are addressing it and you'll see that in the spreadsheet. Craig are you pulling it up, or I don't know who has it searching for the file. Okay, let me I have it I have it right here so let me share my screen. So there's two columns the first two columns that will point out here are sort of like it's the white one column D and E are the ones that we're not going to go over with you now because we're saying we've already gone through them and they're already being addressed and the designer already knows and we agree and great idea great comment thank you so much. But then we have a yellow action maybe. And actually so if you roll. Did you change. Okay, there we go so you see in column a there's orange and these are the ones we're addressing six additional ones got added in those are column B in the yellow. We're going to we're already committee we're good with D and E. We're looking at F but Sharon I suggest we ignore any that are tabled for a future. And just for the sake of time just talk about any of the comments that weren't ones that were tabled, or and the very few that are in the G read that were disagreed. I mean, why. Thank you Chris that was that was super helpful okay so I'm, I were looking at the maybes I'm in column F, and I'm looking for things. So that brings me to first off, comment number 74 active areas, we, the committee was on unclear what that meant. And then kind of the interior, I don't know if Alex, the fave knows anything more about that. Yeah, I, I would say that Craig hit the nail in the head during design meeting when he said that it was, you know, quite quite places for reading and active places. For example, the children's room, you know, if there's an area where kids can be active or in adult spaces where kids, people can be communicative and the entire library is not a place to be quiet. Yes, I highly agree to that. So can I change that to agree. I think what I think what is really understood is that this is already contemplated in the design. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay, I keep going on clear meaning interior devices or exterior charging stations. Oh, that's a really good clarification. Both Alex do you know more. Don't on that one. That's a really good question. I keep all of the notes but I generally type them in exactly as they're written so I don't know which it is. Yeah, but we can, I mean, right, we're going to have charging stations going to have some facility for charging on the inside right that's part of the design will be part of the design. So the question is, is there contemplation of having electric vehicle charging stations associated with what with the CVS lot a lot across the street mean what what what could it be. But I understand and Craig you can tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the remaining parking spaces on the library site we're all going to be handicapped accessible. I don't think there are a lot of spaces but the committee we have not talked about, maybe some of them should be handicapped parking spaces and some of them should be EV stations. So there's a question I guess for Paul I mean is there a townwide plan for EV stations or is it just going to be, you know, the library puts them up and rent puts them up and somebody else puts them up. We don't have a plan we're developing that with Stephanie chicarello but that's not finalized yet, but we are looking at the strategy going forward. Right now we're very opportunistic when there's funding available we try to put them in key places. I think that the question about the EV charging stations should be postponed until we have a little bit of sense of what the towns sense of things is. And I would just add to that I see that I put the categories furnishing and equipment, which makes me think in the moment when it was that I did think it was internal otherwise I would have put design of ground. Okay. So your question Sherry Sharon, I'm flipping through the most recent design set trying to see if the parking spaces on the site are just for staff or just for handicapped or finding that answer. Yeah, yeah I think in theory we had just talked about we just kind of came to this verbal agreement that it would just be handicapped parking. We'll move on to comment 116 local hero wall to be discussed potential for interior and or exterior. Does that mean to be discussed now or later. Well doesn't need to be discussed at this point in terms of the schematic design. I would say if there's a strong desire either to have final Alexander sort of put it into their minds and start thinking about where that might exist. If you know again if it's if that's something that everyone finds appealing we can put it in the category of final Alexander please look into it. Could you say a word about what, what makes someone a local hero. The only thing that I'm familiar with is from a school near where I live and they have sort of a military military individuals over time so they have like a wall. They actually need a big display case, and they have all the individuals who served in various conflicts over the years displayed and so I guess that would be their interpretation of a local heroes wall. But I mean I think I have a different one. Yeah we'd have to talk about what it means. Wasn't there a local heroes wall in Holyoke did I not see that. Maybe all one. Okay maybe it was the donors wall but What are people's thoughts about local heroes and who would count. How do we decide. I'm terrified at the thought it would mean a whole nother committee. And that's not what scares me just the, the thought of people trying to define who is a hero. Right of course the local heroes what could be called something else. I mean the term hero is kind of loaded in a variety of ways Alex. Yeah, I think I mean if, if anything, my inclination would be not some sort of. I don't know what this means but it wouldn't be that it was like a permanent plaque but maybe. There's going to be a lot of spaces for, I think, gallery exhibit type things and I don't know if this can be put off for a later discussion is something contemplated in that way, rather than something permanently part of the building plaque wise. Does any, yeah, Xander. You know, I have found in my short time in Amherst that we need more stuff to argue over. So if we could somehow make this the pinnacle of the library I'm totally kidding. I really want to just second what Alex just said about this being a temporary thing is something that librarians can handle if they feel that it fits into the new building but not something that the building committee should be dealing with. I don't really have anything else I want to say about the local hero wall. Okay, let us let's move beyond local heroes. Free lockers outside for folks who need them. Maybe for holds pickup design team requested to advise of any known examples. I know that there are. There are libraries who are installing lockers. Not only lockers could be for holds for example so wouldn't necessarily be for any one person. It would be something where somebody could come basically after hours is what it's for. I don't know if Craig has other thoughts. Thank you. Thank you. Is your hand still up on this one? Okay, not hearing from Xander Nica. Yeah, so where that that sounds very convenient and this just might be my city life antenna going up around the security issues around lockers. Alex. This is a May 1 event, if I'm not mistaken, and it was under the social work section of us collecting information and it was referencing other libraries and other cities that have had partnerships with towns or crests or whatever in terms of having locker spaces for people who are experiencing homelessness. And so is this for lockers for a general user for people to pick up books. I wasn't clear on that. So if it's to pick up books like Amazon does I think that's a great service because then you can just go and put in your code and get your book but if it's for other services social more social service things I think we'd want to think about that as a town as opposed to saying build it into the fabric of this building. The comment says free lockers outside for people who need them I don't think it's about books. I think it's the way it reads. It's, I'm a homeless person I need some place to store some things. I say it's the way I read it. Okay. So, other thoughts about the that Paul suggests that we need to think about it if we're going to think about it at all from the point of view of the town. I guess, is it a structural question. Is this something that the building has to be designed a certain way to accommodate or is this something that could be. I guess the points people other people made is this actually a building committee issue or is this a question that could be answered after if we wanted to do it. Yep. Alex. I'm seconding. Yes, I agree, john. This is something that probably can be dealt with later. Okay, thank you. ceiling fans. So design team to consider. I don't later. Is that what what the design committee meant. Christine what did the design committee mean about this. I think it was. I was just thinking it should go to the designers, but we were wobbling because there was some pushback. Do we even need fans and is it more of a HVAC system, right line thing could fans goof it out. George. Yeah, I was just going to say the exact same thing Christine did I think it's part of a bigger conversation when it comes to design development of the HVAC system itself. Great. Okay, let's keep moving. So I would move it, like, maybe rewrite it Craig a little bit, like, and then put it back into the green or you want it in green. I think it's for HVAC, like, I don't see this where we got in the like, I I don't see this where we got in the green. Is it up to us to decide whether or not to put ceiling fans. I don't even know if the designers have gotten into that kind of granular detail at this point, we could table it for later. There you go. We're good. We're good. Good. So that's the same thing with the north and west facing windows smaller and triple glazed. Yes. Okay. Okay, scanner and slides table for technology discussion. Oh, leave it alone. Okay, table, table, table, table, table, table. Sorry, can I pop back on on 137 137, which is in the agree column. So again, that's drain and stormwater collection listed as a sustainability consideration so I believe the request was actually like if you look at the current center. It's a net zero stormwater collection system. I just want to make sure people are clear that I think that also goes in the category of part of the conversation with fine gold around what the sustainability of the building looks like it's not just that we're going to have a code regulated storm collection system. Okay. Okay. Sharon, I think that. Yeah. That okay. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, is that all of it? Yeah. Table table. Intent of comment is not clear. That was like the other one. Exterior design discussions are ongoing. Should I just leave that alone. Yes. Okay. Tabling table table table. Yep, that's it. But then it's just a few red ones, a few disagrees. We have teens fewer rules. I kind of thought I was actually rolled down to your yellow. Yeah. Sorry. I've already done that one. Sorry. Keep the Kinsey garden. So that's. That ship is sailed. Indoor plantings. We're disagreeing to that. Just, you know, because there's a cost associated with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that Alex, is your hand up or is it left? Thank you. Okay. Sharon. Okay. And I think George had talked about it's the maintenance. It's not just that plants cost money. It's that there are a lot of responsibility to keep. Yeah. Yeah. And allergies, I think they're in like. Worrying about people with leaves just so the public knows. Okay. The greenest buildings with those already bill. We disagree. We disagree on a fish tank. And the mini fridge, although. You know, so the fish tank was a disagree just because you got to keep the fishy alive. And the mini fridge. So that that's, that's a possibility. And I almost feel like the teens could should decide and that's something that could be purchased later. Great. Okay. I would check it. I see Alex. Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say, can we just move that to the disagree to the maybe and then make that part of teen discussion about what they want. I think this is about the building. Again, like it's not a mate. Like that's, that would be a library decision later where this is. Yeah. Thank you. Teens, no tech space in the library elsewhere in town. So I was like, Oh, it's no teen space. I fixed it. Oh, Oh, somebody saying don't have a teen space in the library. So again, we disagree. Yeah. Plants inside like Pellum. And that's it. Okay. So any other comments, reactions to these. These comments from the public. Before we go forward, Sean. Yeah, I apologize if this was already said, Craig, will these things all be built into that schematic design or some of them to detail to be part of schematic design. So that when we do get that cost estimate, you know, some of these things will be factored in at least the ones that we agree to. So there may be a, in reality, I don't think anything that we give to find gold Alexander this week will make it into the schematic design. So we had, you know, I had prioritized all the things in the last go around around one, all the things I thought needed to be a decision for schematic design. So those, those have all been turned over to find a couple of weeks ago. So short answer. No, I don't think any of this will make it. But I don't think it even needs to be. So there's nothing here that's such a large cost that it should be factored in at this. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anything else on the public comments? All right. Just that. So the public knows the comments that were tabled, they were tabled into subgroups such as landscaping, furnishings and technology equipment. And they'll be addressed again later. And it was a hundred comments. So I just want to give you a heads up. It's a coming on 10 past six, we're about eight past six. And I would love to be done by six 30. So. I wonder if we can just keep that in mind. And we've got. Miles to go before we sleep. Alex. Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on Sean's comment, because I think one of the things in there was flipping the Burnett art gallery in the bathrooms. I don't know whether those are equivalent enough space, but just putting out there in terms of cost estimates. And I didn't know where that landed. So nobody needs to answer or just putting it out there. Okay. Alex, do you have a brief report from the outreach committee? Briefing the operative word. I do. So we met on June 8th. I'm sorry. We did not meet on June 8th. We met on whatever day it was last week. As of June 18th, we have a 1,781 comments, 494 unique. I still have more to enter. We have people are loving having the renderings. That's been huge in terms of just actually having like. Decisions to make where people feel like there's a choice. So that's really been great to have. The current right now is 47% for all slate, 37% for the bricks late. 16% for all brick and a resounding zero for metal. And I think that's a really good point. And I think that's a really good point. And I think that's a really good point. And very active no on metal. We call that the Backelman wing. So. Resounding no. And I just want to remind people on the public comments that I know that Craig is prioritizing for the design committee, but because we have these renderings on the exterior and you're going to be meeting on that Friday. That there are a lot of comments. And so I'm going to go through them. And I'm going to go through them quickly so people know what they're looking at. There are. There are four, they're labeled exterior options with the four choices and they have totals. So if somebody said something like. I love that the brick color is matching the stone. And my favorite is, you know, brick over slate. Like. The comment will be there, but they'll be in the total. So the totals are the totals, but they'll be in the total. So we created some. Well. In the outreach committee. Anika is going to be leading the charge around the civil war tablets and any community outreach around that. Alex Zander is going to be leading the outreach around temporary locations. What we didn't talk about in that meeting, but has also just happened is. Cecilia and Matt to a library staff are going to be. They're going to be able to make sure that all of staff comments relative to schematic design. And as we go throughout the process, they're going to sort of lead collecting that information, which is that subset that we have in the public outreach. So that that's being collected, which is great. We had a great event village park this Friday, anybody who could attend, we're going to rolling green again with press in the town between 430 and 630. We'll be going to the library staff, and then. We'll be able to see the forms scheduled for. July 6, but 7 PM to again, review the latest set of schematics with the public collect feedback and then give it back to. Design and this committee. And then also just a heads up. That the newsletter. Is going to be published one more time and then it's going to go on a hiatus for three weeks. But there's going to be a little three week break there. And I think the last thing is just that the outreach committee has been reaching out to the strong house to the public shade tree commission to the historic commission just in terms of making sure that they're in the loop and any questions that they have that is being brought up. So if there's any other committees or groups that you think we need to be reaching out to feel free to pass it along and we'll make sure we're making that connection. Thank you, Alex. Any questions for the outreach committee. Christine. Alex, great job. Could you tell me the number again of the total unique questions that you have. You said 494 unique but I can tell you that things haven't been updated since 618 so there's more that that number will change after tomorrow. Great. So tomorrow you're trying to update that list. I'm asking for Craig, who is somewhere there. He's supposed to go through them to make any that are sensitive for for SD so that he can bring them send them to us for Friday. Do you think that will work. Yeah, that should be no problem. Great. Great. Okay. Great. Thanks to the outreach committee for the wonderful work it is doing. Let's hear some wonderful news about our financial update. So we have an invoice. I'll start with that maybe we'll get that out of the way. So we do have the May invoice I'll share my screen real quick. Thank you. We have the main boys from colliers. And Craig I don't if you want to say anything about this but again continue to be bill that are agreed upon right in our contract. I'm going to add the description here of services. The invoice is for $10,978. Is that correct. That's correct. Move to approve. Is there a second. Second. So I'm going to move this to the consent agenda. If anybody objects. It's almost like the United States Senate we have unanimous consent. Okay. Is this stuff that you guys are doing when I'm not here? Is there a consent consent approval? Sean, Sean, Sean, keep going. Yes. Yes. Oh, keep going. So just two other quick little updates. So working with Craig to try to normalize a budget, you know, sort of some sort of budget update to give you guys at least once per month. I know colliers has some templates that they use and we're probably going to the point where we can start using some of those and look at looking at them monthly. And the other one is we are still working with FAA to finalize the contract. We're very close. The contract amendment were very close. The work couple design services that colliers, you know, identified were not in the proposal that this group looked at already once that we're going back with to them to say, you know, we need these design services as part of the project. So that's where we are still looking to get that done as soon as we can. Thank you, Sean. Any questions about the financial update? Okay. Thank you. Next item is correspondence. There is none that I know of. Next item is our topics non anticipated 48 hours in advance. There are none that I know of. Next item is public comment. Looks like we have five members of the public attending and thank you so much for your attendance and I see a hand up Jeff Lee. Can Jeff be unmuted. Sorry, I didn't mean to raise my hand there. Okay. Well, thanks. Thanks anyway. Okay, so any other member of the public was to be recognized. I see no other public comment. I think we're done. So with your indulgence, let's adjourn. Stay well everybody. Thank you.