 There are a couple of really positive things that we start to see happening. So one is we definitely see much more awareness, definitely more awareness around BIM, but about digitisation in the construction sector as such. That's good. We also see that the market and the supply chain is now starting to build the capacity to deliver projects in BIM, etc. So we see more and more people adopting new technologies and new processes. And also, and that's personally, I think that's really important that we now see a wider adoption of digital technologies, not only in design and construction, but also now in operation and maintenance. So what we call the whole life cycle of an asset, that's now slowly starting to happen. So that's all the positive things that I'm seeing. There are a few less positive things as well. Still, I do see a disconnect on projects when some people say, are we doing the project in the traditional way or are we doing it in a BIM way? That shouldn't be, after such a long time, we should see, we deliver projects and we adopt new processes, new technology, digital technologies. We have a different way of how we produce data, how we manage data. But there shouldn't be that disconnect any longer between, oh, are we doing it in the traditional way? That doesn't exist anymore. It's just if somebody is saying or decides to say, we're now going to do BIM. So this means what processes and steps are involved in that decision, for example. Yeah, and that's exactly where a lot of people that embark on this journey to BIM. We do it now. Fair enough. That's all right. It's a decision that's good. What do I do? What kind of program? Yeah, exactly. And then that's what usually happens. What software do I need and which training do I need to send my staff to? Okay, fair enough. But then you start talking about how do you change your existing core processes in your business? How do you adopt your maybe integrated management system? How do you ensure governance over data, security over data? And procurement rules, for example. And all of that, when you start talking to people about, so what do you do about that? And they look at you and completely blank and say, why? I want to do BIM. What's this to do with procurement? Well, a lot, especially when you're a client, when you're a client side. And that needs to happen as well. And a lot of people tend to overlook all these changes which are required when we really want to move into a digital way of procuring projects, delivering projects and operating assets in the future. Wow. So Eka, ever since I know you, you've talked about BIM, integrated BIM very early. You gave lectures and you gained really experience with it. And yeah, what do you think makes BIM the only alternative? And why does only BIM lead the construction industry in the future? It depends a little bit. My answer is my understanding of BIM is really, it's part of digitizing the entire sector. It is really not just a tool for design and constructing something. It's bigger than that. And if we think of BIM as a very standardized way, then it forces us to think about standards, processes, and about the whole lot. And that's why I think we have to go through that first. And that's why in many countries, including in Germany, the EU, BIM, task group, etc., we always take this phased approach and we say, okay, let's define a first level of complexity and just ask and start with a selection of things that we do properly and we do all together before we move on to the next level of complexity. And I think this is exactly the right way to do it. And BIM, as I say, forces us to do it in a more structured way, in a more standardized way so that we can take the entire supply chain and market along on that journey. And we don't lose people because we are doing it in a very unorganized way, maybe dominated by very few big players in the market and lose all the smaller ones. Wow, okay. So last year, you talked about breaking down the silos. So the silos opening, the data and funnets, we talked about that last time at interview 2020, but we were only on the digital platform. And has that improved since we talked last year? That's really an interesting one. And that topic is far too big to see major improvements just within one year, especially when you can't travel and you can't really see what's happening. Still, we do have how many organizations operate very much in silos and they have their data locked up in silos. But at the very beginning of our conversation, I talked about the exciting next step for Locklap and that's exactly what we're doing. We're trying to provide a 3D model as the integration basis of all the siloed information that sits within various systems, could be real-time data, sensor data, your work orders, your asset management data. It's always locked away somewhere. By integrating that and giving people a secure but also intuitive access to that data through a contextual 3D model which provides spatial information and a lot of context. Where is it? What is it? Similar to GIS, but now in a proper three-dimensional world. It has a massive, incredible power to unlock these silos and create the horizontal layer and platform. So you will bring the revolution for it on the market on your site. Definitely. Next year, same time, same place. Wow, great. Ika, you hosted also this morning a BIMP session at the integer conference. Yeah, what is the role of Geodesi or geo information here at integer in the context of BIMP? Again, thinking about, let's say in railway, you create a BIMP model of track and the signals, etc. That is somewhere in the world. So again, you need the context. You need the geo data. Where is this? And what's around it? So we need to see that all the data I talked about silos earlier. So we need to see all that data coming together. And geo information plays such an important role because all the survey data that we're receiving, everything else, that all needs to come together. So that the design, but also the digital twins, which we are now creating increasingly, just look around here at integer, so many companies are now doing reality capture, etc. And that all comes together on the back of geo spatial information and data. Thank you very much, Ika, for joining us here at integer TV. I wish you really lots of fun at integer and good conversations. And looking forward to see you next time with your revolutionary digital twin from Lockhex Consulting. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.