 So, as you were studying economics before we get to the post-Soviet stuff, I do have one question about access to reading people like Milton Friedman, or maybe not maybe that's probably a little bit too extreme, but like let's say Samuel Sin or something like that. Did you ever get to read these people? How were you able to learn something more about Marcus? Okay, probably it's a good moment to just to tell a little story about how I was writing my thesis, some kind of the PhD thesis on economics, and how I used the stuff that you are mentioning on such type of stuff. All these foreign economists were not only available, they were strictly forbidden. You could not find it. You could not find it in the library, nor in the bookshops, just they did not exist at all. So, and if you're a student, you don't need to do it, you just need to go to the library and to read Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels or Vladimir Lenin, or some people who would just based their studies on this Marxist-Leninist approach. But if you're somewhat of moved forward, if you're already some kind of promoted to be some kind of applicant for writing PhD thesis, you have slightly more rights, so that way you can apply for participaticals, reading in the special reading room of the public library in St. Petersburg, special Saltikov-Shidrin public libraries, essential one, actually very good library. But for that purpose, you need to go through particular procedures. In my case, procedure was such, I was the assistant professor, I was writing my PhD, but I was also assistant professor in the chair of international economic relations. So, and I was giving course on international economic relations, international economic organizations and so on, and I decided, because I never read it, and I decided to read something from the bourgeois economy, so that is why. And I needed to get access to this particular room, which is a special, it's called Spetskhrana, the reading room of special approach, special kind of permissions to get there. So I written a special letter explaining how badly I need for writing my PhD to read this bourgeois stuff. And I went with this letter to the head of my chair, so this professor has signed this letter. After that, with this letter, I went to the dean of the department of economics, he looked at this, okay, so he signed it. After that, I went to the vice rector of St. Petersburg University, which is a pretty high position, because university had that time about six or seven thousand professors and about 20,000 students. So that is why it's not something you can do easily. You can kind of sign a special time if he has this time, you know, you should be there anyway. So this is the third signature you needed. Sorry? This is the third signature you needed. Yes, it was a signature, so he gave me, actually, nobody gave any problem, so certainly it would be some particular situation that says, oh, no, you are not allowed, and that would be a ten-ish. Fortunately, they all signed. And finally, I went with this piece of paper to the head, to the director of the public library. Also he read this letter in which I explained how badly I need to read. Sam Wilson, economics, the basic stuff of the, as I remember exactly, it was a textbook of 1962 edition. The Sam Wilson 1962 edition. And I got it in 1984, so it's kind of 22 years after in St. Petersburg. And when finally I was given access to this particular room, which was open only eight hours. The whole library was open for 13 hours from 9 in the morning until 10 p.m., so it's a 13 hours. This special room was open only eight hours from 10 in the morning until 6 p.m., so it was shorter. And I went there and I found this, Sam Wilson economics, it was only copy of this book in this library, which means only one copy of this book for whole St. Petersburg, for whole St. Petersburg region, and maybe for the whole Northwestern Russia or Soviet Union. So maybe the other place where Sam Wilson could be found, it would be Moscow, that's all. So one of the rules of having access to this room was not having any paper with you, no any notebooks. Just with you that you can carry out of this room. You can have a special notebook with numbered pages. And the person would check upon your arriving into the room and living room, whether all these pages are in the same place. And you cannot take this notebook out of this room. You can just make notes. It's possible, you're allowed to do. But you need to leave this notebook in this particular room in special place. So that is why, okay, that was a procedure to get to this particular book or similar books. Okay, I got it. I started to read Sam Wilson. I was not very much impressed, trying to speak. I don't know why, but it just, it did not impress me. It, it sound very strange. And especially in Sam Wilson textbook, there was a particular chapter about whatever convergence or some kind of about the importance of kind of have special relations with the Soviet Union, Soviet economy, not so bad. It is, it can develop very fast. I've, look at this, come on, what a stupid stuff he's writing here. Because it's kind of, they told me about this bourgeois economy, but it's something really, but it's really, it's kind of, it's a very bad stuff. So that's why I was not very much impressed. But instead of that, since I already got into this particular room and I found what is there and it was not very much impressive, I went to something which was absolutely open and which served to me as a very important element of my education, economic education. It is statistics. Public library in St. Petersburg had huge collection of statistical publications from different countries, kind of the regular statistics, kind of annual books or yearbooks, annual statistics. For United States, Canada, Sweden, Germany, France, whatever, for almost all countries in the world. Plus, international financial statistics from the IMF, annual publications, monthly publications, and some kind of on particular topics. And because it was mostly numbers, no many words. So they would, the authorities did not consider this dangerous for some kind of poisoning minds of Soviet people. So that is why it was open. Because who would read numbers? It's absolutely not interesting. I found it's absolutely fascinating. Because I look on some kind of concepts, I found very interesting money supply. M0, M1, M2, M3, what is it, I just, I look into explanation, because they have a little explanation there. And I look for numbers for each particular month, for each particular year, item kind of constructed to this time series. I look into what is the money supply, what's the credit admission, what's the budget deficit, what the national accounts. And I studied what students in normal universities in the West do study in their, during their courses, studies through statistics that was available in, from the Soviet Union in this library, thanks to IFS, International Financial Statistics, thanks to Government Finance Statistics, GFS, from the EMF, thanks to the annual statistics publications from different countries. And through that, just I got a basic understanding of the modern economics.