 So, last week on the program we talked about Dave Rubin, a gay conservative who has long maintained that the right is actually more tolerant than the left, contrary to popular belief. But he got a brutal wake-up call when he announced that him and his husband were expecting two children and his homophobic fans reacted in a predictably disturbing way and attacked him for it. Now, he acknowledged the backlash and responds in the video that we're about to watch and he has a conversation with his friend and colleague, Glenn Beck, who is willing to try to both sides the situation and somehow manage to insult Dave Rubin while trying to appear to be understanding, which is interesting. You then see Dave Rubin be visibly disturbed by that insult and hurt by that because who wouldn't be? And then, overall, you see Dave Rubin trying to placate his homophobic fans and legitimize their homophobic beliefs. And this whole thing is just so difficult to watch and cringe-worthy in a sad way. Nonetheless, we'll watch and then I'll tell you where they go wrong. Spoiler alert, they're basically wrong about everything here, but nonetheless, I do have a lot to say about this when we come back. I get why the right has these, what I would argue, are often legitimate fears because the left does not stop eating civilization. And think about what an unfortunate position that puts us in because then someone like me can make an announcement like this, then good, decent, thoughtful conservatives, some of faith, maybe some of, some not of faith, whatever it is, could reach out and say, boy, this, this is what an interesting opportunity and sure it's a little different and, and whatever, all the love that you and the Blaze guys and everyone else are giving me. And then, and then there's this other part that's legit, which is, uh-oh, if we move the line, they're going to keep going. And I don't know what the answer to that is. Dave. I honestly don't because that has nothing to do with me. Now I'm going to live my life. I think, and this is why I wanted to have you on, because I don't have an answer. I am, you know me, I'm a deeply religious man and my religion says man and a woman, uh, that is the basic building block of family. We are so, we're probably the clearest church on this because it's been in our, in our doctrine for 200 years. So we're very clear on that, but that's marriage and relationships. And that's what I believe, but I also am, I also, I also know God created you just like He created me, flaws and all, uh, you know, um, I believe I have a gene. They've never found it. That makes me very susceptible to alcoholism because it runs in my family. It's craziness, but it runs in my family. The same thing with things that I don't understand. And if we can't have a conversation about things that we don't necessarily understand and probably won't until we get to the other side, we have to just work it out together and be able to say, Dave, I, I, I, I disagree or I don't know, um, what the answer is, but I love you. The answer is to forcefully and unequivocally condemn homophobic bigotry. This is easy. They act like, man, there's just, there's no way to reconcile this situation. We have these people in our audience who's viciously homophobic and I'm homophobic myself, me being Glenn Beck, but I don't know what to do because I see you and you're basically a normal human being like me almost, but yet you're a sinner and what you're doing is evil by simply existing and trying to be happy by having a family with your husband. So I don't know what to do. The answer is to stop being a homophobic prick. It's pretty simple, but yet Dave Rubin doesn't say this and he needs to say this Dave, be a man, stand up for yourself. He says here, I get why the right has these, what I would argue are often legitimate fears because the left does not stop eating civilization. What does that even mean, Dave? What does that even mean? They claimed that when we were fighting for equal rights with respect to marriage that we were trying to eat civilization, they were claiming that this was just a gateway to marriages between human beings and dogs, between human beings or adults and children. I remember all of that fear mongering, Dave Rubin. You were on the left at the time when they were making these arguments and you forcefully pushed back against it rightfully so at the time. But now you're saying that their arguments and fears are legitimate. How? In what way? They don't want you to be happy, Dave. The only way that they accept homosexuality is if you vow to live a life of celibacy. But if you're actually going to try to be happy and have a husband with children, that's where they're going to condemn you because they will never accept it because they are inherently hateful because they're bad people. And also that's reinforced by their primitive religious beliefs. So you saying that you understand their legitimate fears isn't helping the situation. You're validating their homophobia, Dave, when you need to tell them to get fucked. If you're a fan of me and you've been watching my show for years, I don't care if you reject my humanity. I don't want you in my audience. That's what a normal person would say to this. But Dave Rubin is a coward and he doesn't respond that way. For me personally, do you want to know how I reacted when my auntie, who I was always pretty close to, called me filth in response to learning that I was a homosexual? I told her to get fucked and I haven't spoken to her since. It's been 10 years now. I won't speak to her, won't go to her funeral. I'm done. And the people who I surround myself with, like my parents, for example, do you want to know how they reacted to that? They defended me. My mom confronted my auntie saying, how dare you speak to my son that way? Because I actually love and respect myself. I'm only going to surround myself with people who love me. And if Dave Rubin had any self-respect, he'd do the same for himself, right? It's not like we're in the 1970s, where homosexuality is this thing that's so elusive. This is 2022. We have rights now, Dave. You don't have to grovel at the feet of people begging that they accept you. You can actually make the choice as an adult to push away these people when they don't see your humanity, but he's still choosing to placate them and legitimize their fears, which is so gross to watch. I don't care how much money I'm making. If my audience doesn't accept who I am, if they think that I'm a subhuman piece of filth, I don't think that having that audience, having that money is worth it. But I'm a human being with self-respect. And I think that most people would feel that way. But Dave Rubin puts grifting and money above his own self-worth. I mean, do you really want your husband to be exposed to this homophobia? Does he deserve that? Do your children deserve to be in this environment where the conservatives who are your colleagues and friends think that you're immoral? I mean, in that same clip, Glanbeck literally compared homosexuality to alcoholism, and that was under the guise of trying to be accepting. He said, I know that God created you just like he created me, flaws and all. He's saying you being homosexual is a flaw. That's so fucked up and you just accept it. Now, when Glenn Beck said that, you can actually see they cut to Dave Rubin. You can tell that Dave Rubin was visibly hurt because he knows as a gay man, being gay isn't a flaw. It's not a sin. It's just a part of life. It's in nature. You are who you are. You were born that way. So to say, oh, it's a flaw like alcoholism, presupposes that we should treat it like alcoholism. If somebody is an alcoholic, what do you do? You seek out treatment for them. What do you suppose we do for gay people? Well, before we tried to treat them, we tried to do gay conversion therapy, right? And that was sickening. It's banned now in countries because it's comparable to torture. So for them to even speak about it in this way, for Glenn Beck to suppose that he's accepting of his friend, but yet compare homosexuality to an illness. That's still fucked up. And I don't get how Dave still wants to surround himself with these people. Look, if Dave Rubin really cares more about the money, you can turn this into a grift, right? You can say, all right, this is why I left the right now. I thought that they were more tolerant, but they're not. Have this tell all story, write a book about it. Grift in that direction. But for fuck's sake, just have some self respect, Dave. I don't get how you do this. And it's just sad at this point. It's just sad that he continues to grovel at their feet, begs for their acceptance, you know, asks repeatedly, please accept my humanity. But he knows deep down that they never will. They will never see him as the human being that he is. And that's just sad. Look, even though he's a grifter, even though he made this bed and he's lying in it. I can't not feel bad for him because even if he's a grifter who prioritizes his own career over his humanity, he's still a human being. I know that his feelings were hurt in that video. You can see his feelings were hurt and that that hurts me as a gay man, right? He might be a bad person and a piece of shit, not because he's gay, but because he's a grifter. But it's still, you can see that he's in pain right there. You could see that he's genuinely saddened that conservatives are still that openly hateful and bigoted toward him. Even if he's tried to be one of the good gays, he's tried for years now to prove he's not like these other gay leftists, but they will never accept it, Dave. The only way they will accept you is if you renounce your homosexuality fully, divorce your husband and swear to either a vow of celibacy for the rest of your life or try to date women. And you know that that's not possible. So it's either your happiness or them. If I'm Dave Rubin, I don't give a fuck about money. I'm using myself, but, you know, this is the life that he chose for himself. And it's genuinely sad all because you chose to align with these religious grifters. I mean, I don't care what your religious beliefs are. I don't think that somebody who's religious is going to be bigoted because of their religion. I think that they use their religion as a justification. But I think that if you are a bigoted prick, you're going to find some way to justify that bigotry. But the religion is bad in the sense that it gives them that veneer of legitimacy. They think, well, God wants me to dislike gay people and hate gay and trans people. Therefore I am justified in my beliefs. When I see gay people, when I see two men raising children, I think, you, that's icky and I had this visceral response. God tells me that that's OK. Well, I don't care. It's 2022. Fuck your primitive religious beliefs. Grow up. OK. I was once religious myself. I was raised in religion. But guess what? I grew up. I stopped believing in the tooth fairy. I realized that Santa Claus was not real. And it was my parents who were eating the cookies. And also I realized that God is not real. And that religion is a primitive thing that human beings by now should have moved on from. We can respect religious people, but we don't have to respect their religion or their religious beliefs. So, you know, this religion here is their excuse to be hateful when it's not an excuse. And you shouldn't accept that as an excuse, Dave. And he kind of does. He says, you know, well, then some of them they have faith. But then he says, I don't know what the answer is. Dave, the answer is simple. And you know what the answer is. The answer is to forcefully condemn them. Don't try to placate them. Don't beat around the bush. Don't insinuate that their hatred against you is legitimate. Tell them if they're homophobic, they're the ones that's bad people. You're not the bad person, Dave, for trying to start a family. They're the ones who are the bad people. And if you don't tell them, then you can continue to expect this homophobic abuse for the rest of your life. And I, for one, would never want to put up with that. But that's where we're at. It's sad, but will he wake up? Will he start to prioritize his own humanity over his career and money? Who knows? But this is just sad at this point. And I don't even feel right making fun of him. Yes, he made his bed. This is the life that he chose for himself. But when you see that level of pain on someone's face, I just it just is it's sad. And there's nothing left to say about this.