 Pat was a idol of mine in an infamous way. He was a myth to me because he's older than me. He's four, five years older than me. And I'm from a neighborhood with lots and lots and lots of boys, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we rapping with no shirts off. We tattooed, we selling rocks. We jumping gates and we real, real, I used to always explain, we kind of like the hot boys or something. So a lot of boys, a lot of boys jumping around. So Pat was a myth. He was the freestyle king at high rollers. He was this big dude, such, such. I never really saw him. I just heard about him. But in my neighborhood, I was revered. Like Ben Kiki got that flow. He doing this, he rap. I'm coming. So we, my neighborhood used to put the juice in the plug in my back to, I want fat pat. You know, I want that freestyle title that I want all that. You one of them words, man, I can interview you all day. Every day, you know, when you call him, I said, nigga, you can't do no wrong. We gonna do that. I'm like, you can't do no wrong. I've been telling him, like, I've been telling him, let me go knock it down. I told him five, six months ago, he really did. Hey, man, thank you, man. So I seen you, man, on what, it's 50 years in the hip hop that Houston, man, that was dope, bro. Like, I liked the way Dunny Houston and Bunn, how did you feel about that? That was the user in that 90s boy. Well, what's funny about that is I had a little joke that I told while I was on that because they had me on that with some of the great, greats, J Prince and Captain Jack and all that. Steve. Yeah, that ain't my ever right there. There a little bit before. So I'm like, man, y'all got me on this panel right here. But it was a great thing, you know what I'm saying? For us to, I mean, I didn't even know that a lot of our history was still there, you know, not just the active part, you know, just living in the city. And it was a lot of faces, even from less to serve pace. And just the people that I grew up in the game with, so to be able to see our culture and, you know, I didn't think that the world represented the South with 50 years of hip hop, the way that we should but for us. And we always take care of our own. So for us to do it at home and get that type of response was great. Man, y'all killed the two just to educate people. You know how much education was in that room? Yeah. It was so many dope, you know, moments that I seen just listening to everybody tell their story for what they represented during that time was heavy, man. Crazy. And then to see you. Yeah, the nigga was a nigga. I should have been sitting up there with them niggas. I had to grab him. I see him. Yeah, right. I stood up at the end. I said, hold on, hold on. I'll make this panel right here. You know, I'm about 14 to 15 in this panel right here, man. So, but it was beautiful, man, to see all that. So you, have you worked with Mike Dean? You know, Mike Dean? Yes, I work with Mike Dean. Like, like I seen him in a scar phase when they did that, that, that thing. Well, that, that little old thing where he did. Oh, tiny this. Ooh. I said boy, that thing was crazy. That went crazy. Mike Dean to go. Yeah, yeah, real crazy with it. As far as sounds and history of people say, how are you to go? Well, I mean, you know, history, sound, been around and for the still here and be still active and still looked at in this type of huge way throughout the game at first, man. When we were young, we were blessed to have him around. I was sitting and making music, but he's a worldwide big game player. So to have him in the building to be that was great. Man, you know, I just really looked at like, like the way that, that whole panel, when you look at J Prince told his story, D-Rick, Rick, Rick shop, you know, he talked about signing, you were, you had, or was it Pat, Pat, you know, like, like how did that go down? That's a real deal. That's a real deal. I was a rebel, you know, I'm young, I'm a kid, I'm running around, I'm getting it in. So I actually had two deals on the table. I had one with jammed down and then I had the other one where Rick was trying to, I actually had three because the original people big time who did the three in the morning, Russell, on the rest of PC, Pat, Russell tried to sign me first. He felt like I should have made that choice first, coming from the Pimp the Pen and it would have been natural. But at that time I was getting hot. So I'm 18, 19 years old. I ran with the first dollars I seen, which was jammed down. If I had to go back and change anything, I wouldn't because they really believed and we've done a lot. But at that time, D-Rick had booked a plane ticket for me and Pat Pat to come to Atlanta for him to try to sign us in. I didn't make the plane. You was young, how old was you then? 19 to 20. 19, did you like it? I didn't make the trip. So Pat went, you know what I'm saying? And at the time he was trying to sign both of us, me and Pat Pat together. So I ended up going with jammed down and long story short, Pat ended up going with Rick Shopping. That's how it all got started. Wow, so you and Pat, how was y'all's introduction like you and him when y'all first leaked up and met? Pat was an idol of mine in an infamous way. He was a myth to me because he's older than me. He's four, five years older than me and I'm from a neighborhood with lots and lots and lots of boys. You know, we rapping with no shirts off, we tattoos, we selling rocks, we jumping gates and we real, real, I used to always explain we kind of like the hot boys or something. It's a lot of boys, a lot of boys jumping around. So Pat was a myth. He was the freestyle king at high rollers. He was this big dude, such, such. I never really saw him, I just heard about him but in my neighborhood, I was revered like Ben Kiki got that flow, he doing this, he rap. I'm coming. So we, my neighborhood used to put the juice and the plug in my back to, I want fat Pat. You know, I want that freestyle title and I want all that. So my first time meeting him, he shook me out of my boots but because I was a kid, I met him at screw house but screw introduced us in that particular frame. Yeah, this that little Kiki I've been telling you about and this that fat Pat that you've been hearing about and we got the introduction and that we just took it from there. I was first time ever meeting, we done a big screw tape. The biggest song that we probably ever done on screws called Funk on Your Mind. Funk don't stop, never shit is on my mind I think about the shit when I grab my ball of goons wine and this was a very big screw tape anthem and still is to today. I'm talking about, we got it on from the first time that we ever seen each other went right into screw house right in the wood room, got right on the mic and made a tape first time I ever seen that. That's crazy, man. Cause like I said, when you guys was going, you know, when all that was going down, man, that's like 90, 96, 95, right? 95, you guys, that music, that sound, that time in the 90s, man, I reflect back and it was stupid brother where it was. But something that Steve, the guy on that panel was saying is about how hard it was trying to come up being from the South and how they was looked at. You know, I always talk about that from the East Coast, which East Coast didn't just do that to the South, they just was real, you know, they did to the West, they did to whoever, you know what I'm saying? We didn't have Def Jam in Universal and that wasn't on the corner, you know what I'm saying? You can go downtown like, you know, their introductions and their opportunities to get in the game with having, you know, they from hip hop big DJs and big record companies and Russell, we didn't grow up like that. We really grew up with the, you know, started with the mix tapes and the screw tapes and out the trunk and out that, and it was, we got it the hard way and I think that's what humbled us the most and that's what made us become the legends that we are. That's why our fans and our people revere us so much because of how we had to come up. They remember these tapes and these sounds and these small clubs and what we were doing traveling without the navigation and kissing babies. I used to tell people all the time, man, we used to drive four, five hours quick. It wasn't no navigation. Turn right here! Turn right here! By the blue house. And then when you get to my grandma house, call me, we're gonna pull over to that. I'm from that life. So imagine that particular fan right there still seeing me and where I'm at today. They love to go in their pocket and give me $10 for something right now. I stream my music because they remember me pulling into that small club and I'm still here. And for me to have their daughters and their nieces and them to become fans 20 years later, it's great. It's not too many places they can do that like South. I see you being amused and amazed. We in this hip hop mode. I love it, I love it, I love it. We on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.