 One like you said in the beginning these cameras don't like low light. They're I look like I have a disease. I got a name after me every time I turn this thing on Let's come up with a disease that you have That's what's like. Yo, is he has something that's what's like Has invested in a big big lighting setup, but what you're saying there is is a disease Can't help it. Hope he's gonna be okay. He's still we've got him out kick start We're not Kickstarter. What's the other one of this? Yeah, I go I gotta go find me page a lighting go find me page. We're doing stem cell therapy on him and uh See if we can get that nose smaller. Yeah People will give you money for me. You might get it All right, you guys ready? Yeah, I think so Here we go I'm scott rouse from a body language expert and analysts that train law enforcement the military in interrogation of body language I created the course body language tactics with greg hartley mark I'm mark bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language and help people all over the world to stand out wind Trust gain credibility every time they speak including some of the leaders of the g7 greg I'm greg hartley. I'm a former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor I've written a few books on body language and behavior Also did this thing with scott called body language tactics.com and that's been most of my time in on wall street and in corporate america today chase Hey, i'm chase hughes. I'm a behavioral expert number one best-selling author in human behavior And I teach persuasion and influence to the government and the general public excellent well We're today we're going to talk about the debate I'm glad I'm glad we all wore coats to ads or jackets to add some decorum to the dumpster fire Yeah, no kidding Yeah, so uh as we go through this now here's what's going to happen You may be on the left and you're going to say these guys are on the right And you may be on the right and you're going to say ah these guys are on the left Believe me we go right down the middle all we're doing here is telling you what we see We're not for one side of the other side. We're not we're not for anybody politically We're we're we're switzerland. We don't we could not possibly care less. That's not why we're here So if you're thinking about commenting, oh you're a lefty or righty No, we're not. Sorry you can do it as long as you don't use foul language. You can stay on there Well, and we hope that all of you are right and that soros and the mccanns and trump and biden and everybody sends those checks Yeah, please Yeah All right, so uh I guess we'll get started at the top here. Let's talk about let's go over what we thought about because uh We're in a time constraint here So let's let's let's go over what we thought about the uh debate and the videos we're going to look at Uh before you get started greg, what do you think? Sure? I'm going to give you a process Um, I think biden came prepared for a fight He had done a lot of drill you can tell you can see tripwires and his brain turn on and those kinds of things He was prepared for a fight, but trump's always prepared for a fight So no big deal for him trump came in trying to slice off the hard left And I think biden held off pretty well for the first couple of salvos And then he got to green new deal and taxes and kind of crumbled after that He gets to the real fight and when when the real fight starts he starts to kind of flake up a little bit And it's not the fight he's prepared for And he starts to respond with some fight or flight and when he does when trump hits him with a don't use the word smart With me, he's not prepared for new york done He comes at him and then it starts to fall apart You start seeing escalation and blink rate and all those things And then the escalation occurs and they both go at each other really hard However, I will say donald trump showed some Uncharacteristically true body language around frustration in here and I'll point it out as we get in but this was the reason It turned into a dumpster fire as it went from plan to fight or flight and you can see it That's my opinion chase I think this whole thing We saw a lot of preparation like greg said on biden's part. There was Some of these lines that are not characteristic and the speech patterns aren't really characteristic of his normal patterns So there's some lines that he knew would set off the audience And there's a few ways to win a debate but In the end whoever typically produces the most emotion In whoever's viewing the debate is the person who will win the debate But non verbally we're looking for a couple of things. We saw trump more willing to move Horizontally away from the podium Taking up a little bit more space And this moving away from the podium thing is something you'll see people do This podium is some kind of a protector or a barrier between the audience and me that keeps me safe And trump is more willing to move away biden took up a little bit less space And we saw biden when he's on message throughout the entire debate We saw those smooth symmetrical hand gestures and if he's using one hand On message the hand would move and time with the words he was saying or an illustrator as greg would call it Or a lot of people would call it And we saw eye contact with the moderator and audience A lot more in in joe biden trump made eye contact downward he looked up into the into the world so to speak And we saw biden the only one I think through the whole debate was making direct and focused eye contact on that camera To make sure that the message is going straight into the person at home So there's a lot of ways to win the debate I think that biden came best prepared to create emotion in the person watching it And I think those statements were crafted to do just that mark. What do you got? Yeah, so I think I'll look at going forward. We've got more debates to come Certainly another with these two characters in there What would I would be wanting to see from them so that they can move forward in their style and the way they contact the audience? Well, biden I would want to see Plenty more down the camera and going for symmetry rather than asymmetry He's so easily knocked off when he's only asymmetrical with his gestures when he gets symmetrical He's able to last longer down the camera So I would be asking him to do more of that trump was more involved in Attacking the partner on stage or even you know getting involved with the the moderator I would be wanting him to go down the camera even more because if biden can really center himself Then he's going to be a real contender and trump needs to come up with an extra level in order to contend with that But all of that said the thing that needs the most work going forward Is the structure of the debate the physical structure of it? Because the moderator in the structure that we've seen has no chance of moderating They have no power in that physical structure set up So if they're thinking to do in that next time they need to rethink really carefully Or we're going to have the same bun fight again And it's probably going to escalate even more and it's going to flow out of control So I would want the moderator standing. I would potentially want those two characters sitting So they're more dominated and that way will get more of a conversation Rather than a supreme argument entertaining Um a bit irrational at times But not potentially the debate that some people Think they should be seeing or maybe wanted to see scott. What you got? This reminded me the way I felt about it reminded me of An episode of doubting abby And this woman was having a baby and she starts to bleed and she starts to bleed out And one of the the assistants or the the uh people that work for him was dealing with all this blood and so I looked down and said to him How can you see all that be dealing with this with what's going on here all this blood and and have it not You know bother you. Why don't you freaking out like everybody else? And he said because I was in the war and I saw so much blood That it actually relaxes me And in the business that we're in Seeing so much blood like we've like we saw on this thing It I hate to say that it relaxed me, but it was I was at ease washing it because I understand what's happened as did we all And I believe that's why we don't have it. We're we're where we are head-wise with it and I what we're seeing is a I again a treasure trove of illustrators and manipulators like I've never seen before this reminds me of Uh one of those battles you have with the troll on the internet when it goes back and forth You they're never going to know who you are and it doesn't matter what you say to him He goes hardcore as you want to and those are my favorites as you all know And nobody's ever going to you know nothing's ever going to happen. It's going to go away That's the way this sounds if you were to write it down and to and to tell someone what was going on So we're we're seeing a couple of people Here just going at it like like a boxing match And it's just tag tag tag and some guy in the middle says let's break it up. Let's break it up But at the same time the referee is more like one of those professional wrestling referees where he was really There's no purpose for him to be there. You're just watching these two guys fuss and they're not really and you get down to it They're not fighting. They're just fussing and and it's It will be a great study for years and years to come of In arguments and how not to do them and how to make usually one person comes out on top And you say wow, he handled that well or she handled that well Nobody handled this well from chris wallis to president trump to vice president biden It was it was just a big slap fight the whole time like an eighth graders slap fight. It was horrible So but again us being used to it We we see exactly what it is and that's why we can't wait to be talking about this Today because we're going to be able to break it down and show exactly Hopefully a lot of things that you haven't seen before or didn't think about before The the clips we've chosen and we've just got a few because there's so much in each one of them Are not filled with it with the the classic things that you're looking for that everybody knows everybody saw He talked about this. He did this. What about when he did this? We're going to be looking at and studying The the smaller things as you go through here some of the minute stuff Not necessarily micro expressions. There will be some of those But the things that we look for as interrogators and body language experts when we're dealing with someone Who might be violent who might have done something they shouldn't have done that we're trying to prep for That's what we're going to be looking for. We're going to tell you what those things are So that's what's going on today. So keep in mind. We're not going huge on these We're going small so you'll understand things and you'll hear some stuff Maybe you've never heard before and the most important thing to remember about all this is we're not only anybody's side We're unbiased we're on the left. We're on the right You may think we're on one side or the other but i'm sure you would be shocked as well as impressed With the sides that each of us are on Lionel and if we were to go one way or the other So having said that Let's move forward and and look at our first video Can I have one one point guys? We usually look at in debates you look at the left you look at um the left partner the right partner So you look at biden and and and trump but there's also a third party here We're going to look at wallace as well because there's some pieces of him that are really interesting to see Fair right and what we'll also do is which I should I should add is we're not going to do Trump and biden together i'm not when it comes to my turn i'm going to go yeah Here's what trump did and here's what biden did we're going to take a run through of trump And then we're going to take a run through of biden for each for each of the videos we do And um last time wallace Yeah, and then wallace right so the last time we did this Vice president biden won the toss So this time it's uh trump's turn to go first Okay, all right you guys ready? Yeah, perfect. Thank you That was the worst part of obama. Let me ask my question. Well, I'll ask joe The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of obama care. I got rid of it I'd like you to have people on the moderator of this debate And I would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer ahead You in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare and just this last thursday You signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions five days before this debate So my question sir is what is the trump healthcare plan? Well, first of all, I guess i'm debating you not him But that's okay. I'm not surprised. Let me just tell you something that there's nothing symbolic I'm cutting drug prices. I'm going with favorite nations Which no president has a courage to do because you're going against big pharma Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90 percent. You could have done it during your 47 year period in government But you didn't do it. Nobody's done it. So we're cutting healthcare all of the things that we've done I give you an example insulin it's going to it was destroying families destroying people the cost I'm getting it for so cheap It's like water you want to know the truth so cheap Take a look at all of the drugs that what we're doing prescription drug prices We're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because when they pay just a tiny fraction If I say this is open discussion, let me ask you about this is big stuff, sir. You'll be happy I'm about to pick up on one of your points All right mark you want to go first? Yeah, sure. So actually as i'm first Let's talk about how he shows up and and his dress, you know the non-verbal of of what he's wearing He's a big lad. He's got a big body mass and he makes it even bigger with some shoulder pads There and his his arm comes right out from the shoulder pads So he's filling what is quite a big suit there So he's got that big upper body strength and that is a big indicator of dominance I'll leave out ideas of of the idea of alpha because it's unsure whether that is actually a thing The idea of the alpha male comes from a study around wolves that ring captivity and then that was transferred to You know human beings who are not in captivity So but we do understand dominance if something has big upper body strength if it pushes us to the ground We're done for so seeing those big shoulders is a big dominant gesture Super conservative tie. There's nothing more conservative than the blue and red Stripe that's a classic of conservatism Big uh lapel flag there Also, it's a vital flag. I it's kind of it's blowing in the breeze There's some movement in it as well And I want you to notice the contrasting cuffs As well the reason They've got their cuffs and and trump has got his cuffs pulled out is it's easier to see the hands It's easier against a dark suit and a dark background when you've got white cuffs to see the gestures and they grab attention So, uh, oh and and no Pocket square at all. There's nothing flamboyant about his dress at all. Super conservative. Okay So what happens for me in this? What's important for me is is the non-verbal Structure the structure of this it's meant to be a debate debates are never really debates. They don't follow debate structure But he does say oh, well, I guess I'm debating him now. I even moderator So he sounds out immediately. I'm going to break the perceived Structure of the thing that I'm in right now. Now. This is classic trump branding and I dare say There's no great mistake in this his base Feel like they've been abandoned by the classic structures of politics and government So what better thing to do than actually say You're going to break the structure that we're in right now It does play to his base and it plays to his brand So I thought that was a a smart move By him to use one of his own words smart move by him to immediately break that structure The last thing I want to point out around this is some of his wording The use of a simile here Insulin the cost destroys families. I'm going to get it so cheap. It's like water Now we might think that that trump doesn't choose his words. He's not a smart guy, you know depending on You know your bias This is super clever. So water is the most essential thing Maybe air is a little more essential because you'll die in in in minutes without air You'll die in days without water Food you can go a long long time without food. So potentially the second most important thing to us as humans He likens it to water and and notice the stress that he puts on that word water That's really smart because he's offering The public something which is essential to them and our idea that water is so essential It kind of should be free. It should be free to all in the idea of water and freedom go together So that's my take on this Trump always smarter and cleverer than many would hope he is I would suggest I Drag what you got sure. Yeah, this one's full of a lot of information I'm going to start this by saying this show is a tale of two priests watch their body language Trump looks like an orthodox priest with his hand movement And biden looks like an evangelical with his hand movement really interesting to watch when they're on message They're the priest and they're the holy warriors and you'll see it a couple of times in here Um, he starts by saying I'll ask joe and he raises his forehead And he uses his left hand typically for him I think that is negative to point to joe now you could say well joe's over there But if he were positive about joe, he may go this way So I think there's some negative in there even using the priestly hands his hands never mark I thought of you every time I saw this his hands never cross his center. They're just not doing that It's clear that he's had coaching along the way and I'm not talking about today His coaching goes way back and you can see it He braces on the podium with his jaw set Prepared for conflict And you can see this is the beginning of the frustration That he will show throughout this debate with a perceived whether it's real or not It doesn't matter whether something's real or not It matters how you perceive it that he's being unjustly treated by the moderator You can see that there's later places where it gets more pronounced Uh, finally when wallace says hey, let me ask my question He does a classic new york thing if you're if you're involved with a new yorker And you don't know what this means you should learn go ahead Go ahead says if you must the southerner would say if you must he's saying go ahead Then he looks over and his blink rate increases When when wallace starts talking and he does something I call ruffling your plumage He stands up straight broadens his shoulders and shows how big he is behind that podium Clearly sending a message of who he is and that he is the alpha in the room It's it's easy to follow you can see he's frustrated with with that and then he starts illustrating and And opposing what wallace is saying with his head driving his head down He lips he licks his lips in ready for retort and then he goes to some internal conversations And that's really about That's really about him being ready. He's listening. He's listening. He's listening. He goes to internal conversations His eyes go down to the left as he thinks about what he's going to say and then go back to the right as he's feeling some Some frustration and then his the concern in his brow goes from up to down as he gets ready for the fight His arms come away from his body in the attack on a negative toward joe And then the volume's up and he goes at him. You could have done that in 47 years, that's the attack his brow drops again He's starting and this is when you start seeing biden's Blink rate. Well, I'll leave that And then as wallace starts to talk and he says this is big stuff He regulates by turning his hand over and pushing down And trying to control wallace's speech. So here you're starting to see a pattern of frustration I think he's trying to point out something he believes is pertinent about biden and they stop him And whether it's because he is doing something. They don't believe is right in the debate Structure or not. He feels frustrated with wallace. He feels like wallace is part of it And I'll also say that in the process of this both of these guys show some frustration with wallace's kind of Questioning style. So you'll see it in the other guy as well. Okay um Scott All right Well here we see in what i'm seeing is this when trump begins is to um to start delivering in other words He cut the answer is loaded. He's ready with it. He's been rehearsing it. We see him as he goes through and he says um The most unpopular aspect of obama care his illustrators are right on the money They've got to be right on the money each time because if they're not that suggested to know That indicates that you're not sure about that answer or maybe you got something else going up there You're thinking about something else as you're giving that answer They must land on the money and we see I am going to sort of focus on illustrators and regulators during this Because there are so many of them another thing we see is um A small grimace of anger as when he says when uh, chris wall says just uh this last thursday You signed a marginally symbolic executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions That's when you see it and you'll see him do that classic thing where he goes And you see this this little grimace It's it's not a micro expression because you can you can see it really well But that's what pops up So he doesn't like what's going on. He feels like he's under attack from chris wallis as well the um Also when as he goes through this he's not doing what you would usually do if two people are fighting or two people are fussing As trump delivers because what he's doing is he's he's decided i'm going to give this answer This may not be go perfectly with what the question was but this is the answer i'm given as he goes through He doesn't try to talk over chris wallis He just keeps giving his answer and although chris wallis is flailing around saying stop slow down and all that and then biden, you know Says a few things as well He seems he keeps delivering his answer to make sure he gets that answer out and as soon as he gets that thing answered You see him go back He almost goes to arrest as he as he goes back to his his form there behind the podium chase, what do you got? Well, you guys cover just about everything there Uh In this this little this little bump that trump does as he's hearing the question He knows how to answer. He knows how he's going to respond The first time I ever saw this described was I was about 19 years old. I was watching a news channel in tanya ryman Was analyzing a debate And one of one of the guys did this is one of the first body language things i learned and i learned it from tanya And she called it a postural bump On tv and this little postural shift is someone kind of just cocking the gun. They're getting their body Ready to go. They have everything prepared and they're on message I think he specifically wove in this quote about big pharma to win over the other side a little bit and I think that was excellently crafted One more thing is the closer his fingers are together the more certain he is of the message So if he starts to get a little vague He'll say we've got this this and this and most likely, you know next month We're going to have this you'll see the fingers start to spread apart And that's a great one to watch for with the rest of the debates and the ones coming up here And when I was in preschool my teacher's name was miss kennedy and she had a little sparkly Tube that we would have to pass around and that was called the conversation stick You had you had to hold that to be able to talk and I think maybe we need one of these in the next day I think when I was in preschool my teacher's name was matthew's law or something. I don't remember All right. Yeah, this is a handful. Okay. See you guys are ready for biden. That's great stuff. All right, here we go All right chase. What do you got? We see some masterful training here And that there are some key phrases That he's interjecting here and he's interrupting a little bit not as much as trump did But he's interrupting a little bit and showing us That he hasn't cut healthcare and he'll throw it in there And I think this laugh that we're seeing Is some of them, especially the first laugh was late It was kind of a delayed response and I think that's a result of training And I think his coaches are telling him which is effective The more you look at trump while he's talking or the more you look at trump while you're addressing him the more credibility You're going to give him on cameras. So he's looking away Even when he's speaking he's not he's not necessarily directing a lot of his words towards trump And he's trying not to look at trump while he's speaking and I think it's effective For letting the viewers know what he thinks about trump and maybe by association what they should think about trump And the recurring theme here is that We are seeing him Take up a little bit less space And I think he's referring to his notes or he's Looking down and that is his theme and any kind of stress response We see him looking down and trump's stress response We see him back away. He's creating space and creating distance, but biden is Becoming a little bit smaller here But I think those little key phrases that he's throwing in here in the middle are effective for him And they are effective in persuading the person that's watching which is where he is directing All of that towards the people who might be confused about voting where trump is directing everything primarily towards his base Scott what do you got? um I think what i'm seeing here and i'll take i'll take this part of it When we see biden he's standing like he's like I think mark would show him to stand and he's standing exactly like a pro Would stand he stands he looks like a president. He looks like he should he comes out his arms are straight As soon as together man, and he's and he's he speaks slowly. He gets his point across and everything Tans at this point on the podium are just are relaxed Is there as and there's his arms are straight as he's doing that And as things go along he's still his arms get they straighten out even more So they're almost all the way straight as he as he makes sure he's got a grip on that podium The grip doesn't come into play yet, but it will in a few minutes So that's what we're seeing there whereas as he looks at trump the the more trump goes on the more trump goes on The less and less he looks like he should look his suit starts to get a little wrinkled looking He straightens up and and it fixes some But he doesn't have that overall look that he should have If you're coming on like a president. He's not still he's not he's not Playing the aphorol in this his aphorol again is coming from the fussing park trying to win the the the fight Or fuss i'm gonna keep calling fuss So in my case that that's what i'm seeing greg what do you got? Yeah, this is an interesting one So the couple of things to notice when trump is talking is he is thinking mammals for some reason seem to do This when we're thinking when we're figuring things out train horses horses when they get a concept they go It's really easy to know when they're thinking humans do the same thing when you're a child and you're coloring You have your tongue out of your mouth and your parents have to say hey stop doing that That's human nature we work our mouth when we're thinking pay attention to people doing it Some people talk when they're thinking and mumble But you can see he's working something over and he's also having an internal conversation of some sort And he's quietly amused while Wallace is in his accusatory style asking a question now. Here's an interesting thing This is how conspiracy theories kind of get brought up Is people start looking for indicators? At one point he quickly cuts his eyes to the left immediately for me That's an auditory accessing cue where somebody says something to you and your eyes go to the left He's also kind of slack-jawed when he's sitting there and people have conjectured He's wearing a wire and he's listening to someone is that possible sure it's possible, but the the Usually what happens is people are looking for some reason to solve a problem So remember conspiracy theories start when people don't have enough information And they immediately fill in negative information and the quicker you go to negative the harder It is to go back and clean that information up. We talked about this in our bias segment So if a person sees a slack jaw eyes suddenly cut to the left and a guy suddenly come up with a concept That sounds like somebody just told him that so you can start to figure that out But now I'll also tell you the other one to remember is that When he's walking through this that thinking and all of that could have brought back some of his coaching as a seer instructor We teach people under high duress Knowing that when they get to a point that they're hitting high duress It will come back that memory comes back chase Guarantee you something you were taught if I grabbed your clothes and snatched you around a little bit You'd remember it very quickly just because that's how we taught it Anyway, his eyes cut hard to the left. He suddenly engages and he stands straight When he says i'm debating you as well or not him You see that amusement ha ha he kind of does that little chuckle And then his face breaks away from his standard big broad smile Into one where he's kind of got a pursed lips and disagreeing with the comment And then he starts mouth grooming And his eye blink rate increases the minute that that trump attacks him So you can start to see that he's disapproving. He does a lot of that chuckling and big broad shiny teeth smile That's a stress move for him. That is a deflection move. He used it all the time So it's standard joe. I think here he's starting to get under his skin And you'll see other places in the in the debate He'll back off and he'll make his arms rigid to your point scott. So he's remembering to stand back. That's what I saw I see a lot of possible confusion In you know, whether somebody's talking to him or whether it's something he's recalling Which you can see a tremendous amount of information and mark will let you bring this home and wrap this one up Yeah, so let's just talk about first of all how joe shows up So scott, you're right beautiful beautiful suit nice tailoring However, uh, what happens is is the shoulders are too built up in my in my view Which means when it starts to wrinkle here, you see that his body frame is way more slight Than the suit is it's trying to produce more Upper body strength than he actually has in his in his bones Essentially, so he starts to look a little bit weaker in the frame or slighter in the frame as his arms come up Into what I would call the passion plane he gets more excited It actually makes his top half look a little bit slight a little bit weaker great cuff contrast That's really good. We can see his gestures. Let's talk about the pocket square. He's wearing a pocket square It's got three little peaks on it. That's what we call a crown fold So there's something very regal About putting a pocket square in like that with the peaks of a crown on it It kind of says well, I'm aristocracy. I'm a little bit better My point would be that doesn't really play to the people you might be wanting to change the mind of look Whether you're left or right the people who vote for you are always going to vote for you They're never going to change their mind. They're voting for an ideology not necessarily you You are the avatar of that ideology You're looking to swing some people not at the extremes. You'll never swing those at all But some people are kind of yeah, I could make a different choice But you've got to play to that audience. You don't sing to the choir. You have to bring them across I don't think his pocket square is going to do a great job of bringing those people across in the way it is Although they may have been looking for a kind of a jagged tooth look To it potentially a bit of a bite to it All the same. It's silk silk doesn't bite that Wow, and then we have with that the candy cane tie. It's a little bit Frivolous, it's a little bit light certainly, but wouldn't be the way that I'd have advised him now So I got another contention with his team who are advising him I think you're everybody's right saying that that laughter is a little bit late And I think you're exactly right. He's been told hey Laugh at what he says But that's what hillary did in the last debate. She tried that tactic and it didn't work so well for her So I wouldn't be trying to play those tactics At all Uh, and and what tends to happen is if he's not laughing he's looking at trump And doing nothing So he's just giving him focus. He gets it right when he comes finally down the camera But then he goes deadpan and nothing happens and that would be the point to show some emotion to that audience a very simple Shake of the head At the audience looking them will get them to mirror that emotion because that's one of the things you're trying to do I think as chase was saying you look down that camera And you give the audiences the audience emotions to follow So they can have an emotion an opinion and an idea about your opposition I don't think he's getting the best help He could around some of this. Yes a lot of training But not super well thought out around some of that detail. That's what I've got on that one So mark you're not getting the check Yeah, I'm not getting the check. This is an advert for me. Like you've still got time You've still got time to send me a check. Okay, and I can help the moment. No check no help I got a line about that pocket square. I want to tell us about your pocket square there mark What about yours? I'm terrible at pocket squares. I gotta I gotta make Nick who who's italian and every time he sees me with my pocket square He like takes it out and he does it and he like goes here's how you do it because I literally just I stuff it in And it disappears down as well. I'm I'm terrible with this as a kid. I used to work in menswear Like I think from the edge of I believe it. I had a Saturday job I believe if I went to the beach, I believe one day if I go to the beach Like I told you guys I don't I'm a member of the great indoor So I don't go to the beach much if I took my shirt off You could see my heart like a newborn fish But if I were to go to the beach, I think we'd be there 30 minutes and amber would say Look at that guy out in the water. He's wearing a suit I'd be like And she that's Bowdoin You wear them everywhere Let me ask my well, I'll ask Joe The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of obamacare. I got rid of it And we will protect people on the moderator of this debate And I would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer I had you in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare and just this last Thursday You signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions Five days before this debate. So my question sir is what is the trump healthcare plan? Well, first of all, I guess I'm debating you not him, but that's okay. I'm not surprised Let me just tell you something that there's nothing symbolic. I'm cutting drug prices I'm going with favored nations, which no president has a courage to do because you're going against big pharma Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90 percent. You could have done it during your 47 year period in government But you didn't do it. Nobody's done it. So we're cutting healthcare all of the things that we've done I give you an example insulin It's going to it was destroying families destroying people the cost I'm getting it for so cheap It's like water. You want to know the truth so cheap? Take a look at all of the drugs that what we're doing prescription drug prices We're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because when they pay just a tiny fraction If I say this is open discussion, let me ask you about this is big stuff, sir. You'll be happy I'm about to pick up on one of your points Okay That's okay. We're good I ride What's gonna happen is all the comments will be yeah scott nailed it like key had Yeah, you but you wait and see I'll get somebody else say something that one one got about chewing gum This is way I didn't realize I was chewing gum till I happened there I was like, oh and you can see and then I'll lean over and spit it out in the floor Of probably You should go out and vote You're in voting now vote and let your senators know how strong you feel Let vote now make sure you in fact let people know you're a senator I'm not going to answer the question because because the question is the question is Radical left. Will you shut up man? Who is on your list, Joe? This is on your right gentlemen. I think this is so Here we go. Greg. What do you got sure? This is what I call holy warrior. This is remember I said tale of two priests This is biden the evangelical. He's on the interesting piece is this is a redirect from being asked Will you stack the court and he did some rambling? Well, whatever it is now you people vote vote vote He I call that insulation with your constituents So I'm insulating myself from the issue by saying it's not my issue This is about the people and the people need to vote and every politician does this at least once I've watched them do it I've seen trump do it. I've seen all of them do it But he's insulating himself in the I call it insulating yourself in the holy robe of the voter That's what they're doing. You can't you can't attack them without it attacking the voter And he goes into what if you go look at a picture billy gram illustrating with one hand He looks like billy gram However, and his browser up his tones up his cadence is up. He's preaching However, billy gram doesn't usually get a heckler and he does So off from the side, there's this voice saying tell him what you're going to do joe Are you going to do it and really with a cynical voice? So he starts to get frustrated if you look the corner of his mouth start to come down his teeth get exposed and then he Looks like billy gram with a heckler. So he starts to get really frustrated And then he repeats the questions likely Having been taught this under stress that if you repeat the question it gives you room and then you get a chance to Relax, but it's not working for him and you start to see the fight or flight kick in And this is the beginning of him losing control and this thing escalating Trump came ready for the fight. He came ready for a fight, but not trump's fight So you can see it walking down. Then he goes brow down And his thinking brain turns off and his his angry cat mammal brain turns on says shut up, man Game over now. He's in he's on trump's turf He's in a different place than he came prepared for and we'll see where he go Then finally he takes the high ground braces and tries to go back to being billy gram That's what I got long-winded, but scott, what do you got? I thought this was really interesting because The more trump gets into his head The the less his his illustrators hit on the money and as he's talking He says some really odd things and his wording is odd He's got his his answer is loaded by that. I mean he's he's got it. He's practicing. He's rehearsed it But he hasn't rehearsed it with somebody up his hind in the whole time They were doing it with it without the stress on it We talked earlier today greg about stress and and learning under stress and and and And chase where we talked about what happens there and how you can recall that situation easier He had no stress when he was learning when he was learning this answer this So he said the word usage and delivery is really odd because he says You're in voting now I don't know. I don't know what that means And then he talks about he says make sure you in fact let people know And then to pause your senators I think as he goes along he's trying to remember again like greg was saying as he's as he's coming in for his Trump's coming in for the attack. He's trying to keep everything straight. You know, he's an older guy So it's gonna be a little tougher for him But he can't get that answer out because he's He's confusing him. He's coming in to stern things up. He's trying to it's like trying to thread a needle out There's somebody setting off firecrackers around you what's happening there Then we see in his face We see this staying a couple of times were contempt and we see it right in here But it's on as you're looking at him. I guess it'd be on this side. I guess is what y'all would see On his left side or yeah, he's right side As as he's given as he's talking the more trump gets in you'll see that pop up just a little bit It's subtle but you have to see it I'll go back and grab a thing of it Like mark is doing a little short clips for instagram and twitter And I'll let you see and I'll show you what I'm talking about on that because that pops up because he's starting to get mad He's starting to get angry. He's starting these trumps in his head at this point chase, what do you got? in the military we have a phrase I did 20 years and This is every time we do training it is train how you fight because you're going to fight how you trained And we could tell this was not rehearsed. This is well rehearsed without stress So military training does Stress you way out For all this stuff. It's not only have to be able to shoot a gun You got to be able to shoot a gun with a face full of pepper spray or sand in your uniform You just ran a mile. There's a guy screaming in your face And you're going to fail an entire course if you don't make this one shot so me and that's inoculation they call it stress inoculation and I think I very much believe That he was on message. We saw those hands come up together They were on message and the more he got interrupted The less his hands matched the beat of what he was saying and we saw that sentence kind of fall apart And that's we'll probably all say give or take the same stuff here and I'll pass it to mark Yeah, so I got to agree with everything said there, especially the stress testing thing. Okay, and and when I work with a politician We absolutely stress test. It's fine to have your messaging That's fine But what I'll do is I will interview them to find out what is the thing I can say about them That will most trigger them and as they're delivering messages I'm right up in their ear and I'm whispering that trigger into their ear And they have to learn how to manage that aggression that anger That that's um Subjugation that might come up with with that message being put in their head sometimes will get two people Doing different messages in the years without stress testing it You got nothing because you don't know your physical countermeasures. Here's the problem for biden He goes symmetrical It goes asymmetrical first of all and he shouldn't be should be going for symmetry every time because it blinkers you And it gets you focused down the camera. So every time he goes symmetrical easy to knock him off He's got trump talking in his ear and we can see Very very quickly it cascades into word soup for him I have no idea what he starts to to talk about intelligent guy But easy to knock off and he hasn't been taught the counter measure of come back to symmetry It's no good thinking. Well, I can psychologically block it out or pivot to another message You have to create the body first which is going to trigger the mind into being stable So not great help and training there and then what happens is he does word soup He gets pulled back into trump As well. So he's totally off balance Um, he becomes defeated He becomes angry and then he kind of decries the unfairness of it all and looks to the moderator for for help and and essentially judgment You know, this is not very presidential looking for for judgment Uh, I would say it's a complete cascade disaster there for for biden Excellent Okay, we good. Yeah All right, mark. What do you got? Yeah, lovely. So I mainly want to feature on this Diggesture that uh trump does and it's a classic for him. He does it quite a lot in the previous video We saw he did that gesture on On protect people and it just comes down he goes protect people Uh, you know, he's enforcing that idea. He's he's digging in on this that idea in this one He does what I would call a psychological gesture, which is it has it has an idea in it About about what's happening in his mind or what he wants people to think in their minds and he does an uncovering Gesture he scrapes away the surface dirt from this and I think the surface dirt He wants us to feel like he's scraping away is The idea of radical left and that biden has has some dark Motives of putting a radical left in the supreme court and he's taking off that dirt So that we can see underneath what he's really trying to do here in his mind or his base his mind or in the his party's mind So look out For that one there The other thing I want to put put out there is just the repetitive Badgering rhythm and tone Yeah, if you really want to annoy somebody Just say the same short sentence again and again and again. It's like a pestering child and and um We often call that primal cadence So this this repetition that you're getting is the pestering child primal cadence and it is enough to cause Any parent to to buy the the candy at the supermarket checkout. Yeah, other primal cadences are things like Mommy mommy again, it will have that kind of and you'll know you'll see that police alarms or alarms Have that primal cadence because it's super annoying So again, no wonder biden gets knocked off because trump is using this primal rhythm in order to disrupt his Instinct to grab his instinct so that any training which is intellectual Isn't going to work against primal cadence. You need a primal training Which tends to be just non-verbal behaviors that you do on purpose in order to counter measure A primal trigger there. That's what I got for you. Yeah, you know mark It's a little different. We're all southern boys that that primal cadence in the grocery store gets you something else. She's Yeah Chase where do you got Well, we see a guy here who is highly charismatic biden is Very charismatic. You don't stay in office that long without having some serious charisma He's obviously social socially intelligent. He's a very intelligent guy And trump's team have no doubt gone through 40 some odd years And picked out every moment that this guy was knocked off balance And they said this is the thing that caused it. Here's the sound. Here's the tone. Here's the exact cadence that caused everything and as mark said back in the day in This influence training and stuff they used to call this the voice roll technique And he's using that here and I think that trump had this prepared For who knows what these all these scripted few really short punchy lines the moment He sees biden look straight at the camera and gets very serious. He knows there's a very solid point coming out He drops those Right away and just keeps hammering and hammering and it it looks to be very effective here because it was a it was a A decline a very quick decline here and we see his I'm just telling trump to shut up at the end where he I think that's that's characteristic biden Same guy who said he wants to beat up trump Or challenge a guy to push ups So that was that was that's his default behavior extremely smart But they figured out this is the trigger to get him off balance But he probably had a great message there He was looking at the camera and he probably had a great wonderful message to give out But it was disrupted with some very sharp calculated techniques there Great. Yeah, I'm going to take him down whole body. I'm going to say look at his face He's doing classic trump regulators doing all kinds of stuff with his face kind of Making faces at at biden trying to bait him in that way. He's using language Many things far left. Are you going to answer joe? He's not going to answer the question Just all of that rhythmic attack His eyes he will make eye contact hard eye contact and then back to the camera So he's trying to create this draw from trump back I mean, sorry from biden back to the audience on the camera to say look at him He's not answering the question and and then his voice to your point that primal that poke poke poke poke And then finally he's doing something if you don't think he's engaged and knows what he's doing He's doing this body surfing thing like he's playing pinball And that's his brain punctuating its thoughts as he's batting this thing back and forth So really good indicator of what he's thinking. He knows what he's doing and he's also waiting I can guarantee you for that little snap that he expects to come from biden and then It's on scott. What do you got? Well, all right. Well, um My thing is more again. I going back to the fussing when you see As trump begins lobbing his is uh, volleys of you know, his fussing over there He's leaned back. He's got his arm this way almost like he's looking at him and and hey man Here's the way it actually works. You know, it's like he's dismissing him. It's very very dismissive So I think he's and he's braced though at the same time. So he's ready for that He's in attack mode, but as he as he goes into attack mode He's like he's pushed back some but at the same time he keeps his arm forward as he's lobbing his his uh Bombs over that way to to attack and then after what all you guys have said I got nothing After that Good one guys very good one great You should go out and vote You're in voting now vote and let your senators know how strong you feel Let vote now. Make sure you in fact let people know you're a senator. I'm not going to answer the question because Because the question is the question is just the question left. Will you shut up, man? Who is on your list, Joe? This is on your right gentlemen. I think this is so Unpresidential The answer to the question is no, Ukraine. No, I sir with a billion dollars. If that is You know what? You're not true. You're you're gonna have true gentlemen I hate to raise my voice, but I think it needs to be why shouldn't I be different than the two of you? So here's the deal. We have Six segments we have ended that segment Can't hear you I was hoping you guys were gonna nod with me and just let scott talk for a minute Hello, are you going that was you were pontificating you were clearly I was on man. Oh this one I got. You know, this is obvious. I've watched it one time and I'm gonna All right All right, here we go All right, uh, greg what do you got? Yeah, this is the good one where chris wallis is wishing for the days of his father or walter kronkite where they had some kind Of authority and if they went like this trump would have said uh, but there is none of that authority I was having a great conversation with a guy yesterday who said exactly that the fragmentation of the news industry Is taken away the most trusted man in the world was walter kronkite if he said mr. Trump Please be quiet. He probably would have been that's not the case anymore So this guy's power comes from regulators and that kind of thing and an interesting couple of things He doesn't not use a regulator because that means stop This means punch me in the face. This means i'm helpless and mark I would venture to say i'll use i'll use one of your concepts for a minute If his elbows weren't on the table his hands would be in grotesque Doesn't know how to control the conversation and he's been a little snarky in his questioning of both these guys And so they're coming back at him Um at the end his blink rate is through the roof and that's where I say and I'll leave it at that I won't steal everybody else's thunder, but I think he's wishing for the days of walter kronkite at this point All right chase. What do you got? I'll just pick up on that that one thing greg talked about here. I call this the stop gesture and If you're ever trying to convince someone not to do something or convince someone to Stop doing something your hands will extend or at least one hand will extend even if it's down at your side Or in your pocket or in your purse Our hands do this I've analyzed a video before where it was an atm machine video But somebody's leaning in talking to somebody and they thought this person might be an accomplice But the whole time their hands are doing this their hands are extending down at their sides And I said this person's trying to talk them out of this person's Trying to stop them. So chris is doing this, but he also has that surrender. We tend to expose our palms when we want to appear vulnerable or Innocent, especially when we're saying I didn't eat the candy or I didn't take the cookies chris does this here and he's losing control of of both of these guys and frankly Neither one of their babies his presidential has as joe biden commented earlier. I'll pass it over you scott all right So here's what I got We're seeing this is this is an explosion of a combination of regulators and illustrators We're seeing not only are we seeing the the illustrators come out as he's trying to as chris wallis is talking We see him illustrating for everybody to shut up. This is like children. This is like a Of literally a playground fuss trump looks like he feels like he's getting in trouble And oh and and joe's so upset because he's the kid he doesn't know how to fight very well So that's what we're that's what we're seeing there The the fight or flight on on chris wallis comes out and greg had said last last time on tv Like you can even see part of his handshaking. He's just doing this his face looks normal He's doing a great job of keeping it in control plus he's on tv And so the base is a big deal But I think actually he's flipped over into fight or flight. So he's getting a little bit. He's getting a little bit worked up Um, one of the things that I found really interesting a lot of people say well this guy's for he's for Biden or he's for trump one thing I found fascinating was this It was the last thing he says and one of the last things he says during that that explosion of the illustrators and regulators He says here's the deal Who says here's the deal? That's one of joe's catchphrases look here's the deal Hey, man That's those are the things he says so he says that which tells me he may lean on on the side of joe I could be completely wrong and I could be thinking to him like like we're helping people don't think about us But that's what it looks like to me is he's sort of lean toward that toward that way But are you gonna say great? Yeah, I think he's actually come out and said he leans more more left and right Okay, okay Okay, okay cool. Well, there you have it. Okay mark. Yeah, just edit me out at the end. Uh, okay so interesting so I call um Regulators moderators. So it's no surprise that the moderator here could do with some moderators And he does have some he is using some of those Baton gestures and illustrators as moderators to control The way people are speaking and acting however, I would say his his his moderators his regulators Don't have a line of energy coming out There is no locking of the joints and if you don't lock the joints You won't have any power or authority And so we see at points where he hasn't locked out his joints and he starts doing this gesture as a regulator And you can see it has no power in it. So of course they paid zero attention to him He's also sat very very low. So they have height dominance over him. He is slight in that chair He's a huge distance away from them. There is an Greg you're absolutely right and and chase is a master around this of of the idea of authority He has zero authority Because of culture at the moment and because of how he's placed In that space Something has to change about the way they're using that space in order for him to have any kind of physical authority And therefore authority over the structure. So flimsy regulators There and you're right. He's he's not helped but he's got a desk There which means that he's he's support. He's not supporting himself Either he's not ready to go. He's not ready to jump in and split those people apart So we can't use any of these psychological gestures that you might use to say look Quiet and down break it up because those psychological gestures would trigger the physical response you're looking for Uh one little interesting point here This this gesture here is yes, absolutely the surrender gesture if it was really a stop You would push forward you do the push away gesture. So this is the surrender gesture in uh, roman oratory in roman rhetoric This was known as the protego gesture Which is actually the gesture that you would put up if you felt Somebody was casting an evil spell on you in the senate, you know, they were cursing you in in the senate so and and if you go and look at the old books from the 17th century on What they called universal hand gestures, but there wasn't really anything universal about them They were more kind of signals. This is a universal signal for uh, I've had enough Because it exposes the belly it goes. Okay. I'm vulnerable my little dog I always talk about peach peach does this all the time you go down in the morning She rolls over she puts the balls up like this and she says you're in charge and I've given you charging therefore What I get back is is a belly scratch, you know, and the deal goes in in that way. So he goes, you know, here's the deal Here's the deal on this Look, uh Yeah, that's all that that's all I've got on that you just very weak performance from him You know giving up in the end and saying, please don't please don't cast your evil spirits on me There are two for him There are maybe two evil spirits up on stage and all he can do is put up a barrier of protection Around himself. There you go Excellent The answer to the question is no you crane no I sir with a billion dollars if you That is you know what you're not true. You're doing it. You're gonna have true gentlemen I hate to raise my voice Why shouldn't I be different than the two of you? So here's the deal. We have Six segments we have ended that segment All right, was anybody else go anything you want to add to this? Okay. So yeah, Scott This is not the last one we're gonna do. This is just the intro. We tried to get more videos We have a list of videos. 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