 Junction Board of Trustees meeting to order for a Tuesday, February 9th. Thank you all for joining. Just one note of housekeeping. If you are not speaking, please make sure your microphone is muted so that that way we don't get background noise. We don't get feedback. It would be greatly appreciated. And do we have any agenda additions or changes for tonight? Anything from the trustees? I was going to make a very, very minor request for more info in the memos from Robin, but I don't think that needs to require pulling that out of the consent agenda, the reading file, excuse me. No, I would agree. Okay. So if there are no changes, then we don't need to have a motion to amend the agenda. No need to approve the agenda. And that will bring us into public to be heard. So this is a portion of the meeting for tonight, where if you have something that you would like to bring to the board's attention, this is the moment to do so. Now, if your question or concern has anything to do with the budget, with the bike walk advisory, community grant application, or anything else on the agenda, there will be times during the meeting for public input. So I ask you to please hold your comments or questions until then. And the way we will do this is we will prioritize those who are using Microsoft Teams. So if you are using Teams, you can go ahead and raise your hand or use a chat feature to tell me that you would like to speak. I will call on you and you can address your question or comments to me and we will go from there. If you are calling in, I will get to you later on. So if you are using Teams, now is the time to let me know what you'd like to talk to the board. I see no hands being raised on Teams. There are no comments in the chat section. So we will move away from Microsoft Teams. And it does not appear that any of our guests are calling in. And as none of our guests are calling in, no need to go to the phones. So we can move off from the public to be heard and we can jump into the agenda. Evan, I see that the public to be heard, or I'm sorry, I see that the public hearing had a warning for 6.35. We are two minutes early. Stretch it. Say something nice. I don't think you wanted to see me do a song and dance for two minutes. How about we rearrange things and just go to the first business item 6A? I think that can be kind of quick. Okay. I was kind of hoping Dan would dance, but whatever. You're the president. You want to do 6A? Do 6A. Let's jump to 6A. I think Micah's here. I'm not sure if staff was going to introduce us or how this was going to come about. Micah, if you are here and you want to introduce us to the board, I'd be more than happy to have you do so. Sure. I am chair of the Bike Walk Committee and what we're proposing is we have a small project grant opportunity that would allow us to leverage our existing budget by another 100% to get two crossing beacons at the main pleasant and Lincoln central crossings in the village. These are items that are either ones that have been brought by the public as a safety concern or were put on the list due to high usage and school crossings and that sort of thing. This would exhaust the Bike Walk Committee budget for the year, but as we're coming up on June before we know it, I don't think that's going to be a major issue. So we're just looking for the trustees approval to proceed with this. The deadline for the grant application is later this month. Any questions about that or what we're trying to do? I appreciate you bringing this up, Micah. And I would say those locations make a lot of sense given the amount of traffic that they receive. One question I do have, I think you just addressed it, those, are there any concerns about not having a budget after that? We don't really have any other expenses that were committed to for the remainder of this financial year. So no, I don't think that's really going to be an issue. Okay. Amber, your hands up. Go ahead. I don't actually have a question for Micah. I have a question. I think I'll direct it more towards Sarah. I was looking at the capital list and the grant application and noticed that they also are looking for applications for sidewalks and stuff. Is there anything on our list, on our giant list that might be eligible, small amounts, for that we might be able to take advantage of? Do you know? Or is that something that we could have staff look into just to, just because I'd like to be able to capitalize pun intended on the grant if we can get additional monies for some of these sidewalks and stuff that we still need to do? Can I just ask you a clarifying question, Amber? Are you just asking if staff is pursuing grants related to the capital project list? I'm not asking that in a broad sense. I'm just asking about it for this particular grant. I really don't know. I have no, I do not know the answer to your questions. So probably not, Ben. It does have a, never mind. Evan, your hands up. Go ahead. Thank you. I know that when we see grants come out, we talk as a staff, whether it's Ricky Jones in the village, Dennis, Aaron in the town, and together we talk about what we would want to apply for. When we see these grants, we decide what we want to go after and whether we think we have a chance, but I will certainly tomorrow go talk to Ricky and Dennis and see if there was anything that we may have missed and try to go for the deadline. Yeah, I suspect that the projects that we have are too extensive for this grant, but I guess I just, I thought I might as well ask it given it was in front of us. And I can't say that I memorize all the state grants that come out, but I seem to remember the sidewalk grant not being extensively lucrative to the, to the, what they're trying to do. So we just kind of said, let's hold our power for something that we really want to go after and my guy, I think you guys, we do support what I like to call blinky flashy lights. And so that's what we also try to get grant funding for. But a lot of sidewalk work, they don't, they don't, they don't fund replacement of sidewalks. They tend to fund new sidewalks and connections to sidewalks and paths. But we'll take another look at it tomorrow. I guess along along the lines of sort of what Amber was saying, you know, I'm curious if you know, we're not, we're still leveraging the very low end of the range of this grant at, you know, six or $7,000. You know, I just wonder if there are other locations that may be suitable for more of these blinky flashy crossing lights and maybe some in-road, on-road markers as we've been adding around to crosswalks in the, in the fair seasons. If that's not something we may want to stretch a little bit outside of the black budget to look at while we have this in front of us and maybe get a few of, get some of this done all in one fell swoop. I don't know how that would impact the request on the grants, but I don't know if there's interest of that on the board or the wherewithal for us right now to do that. But Sarah, go ahead. I just wanted to just in case you guys weren't all thinking about the current year budget, there is $20,000 in the Village General Fund budget for matching grant funds. So in addition to the bike walk appropriation, every year the Village does put $20,000 in for matching grant funds in case grants come up that require a match. So if we were to look at part of that, it was just a thought to see what the board thought. I know that just speaking for myself, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to having staff do some research into it, but at the same time, Micah, can you remind us what is the due date for the grant? I believe it's like the 18th or 19th. That's coming up quick. And it also wouldn't, right, we wouldn't have another meeting before then, unless we went on to schedule a special one. So while I'm not opposed to doing the research, I also don't want to lose out on the opportunity. Getting the bright, blinky flashy lights are certainly a priority for the community. I would love to not lose out on that opportunity. Maybe we could research this for a subsequent year, as if I remember correctly, this is an annual grant. And so should all things being considered should be available again next year. Those are just my thoughts. Do other board members have other questions before we ask for public input? I don't have questions, Andrew. Rush? Micah, do you have a further list beyond these two? This is actually pretty close to the end of our list. Once we get these ones done, we'd be kind of looking to scope out other areas of interest, maybe reach out to the public and get some input there. Okay. I know there's at least one more on main that was brought up. I have to go back and see which that was. Okay. So it might not make sense to kind of, with the due date, it may not make sense to go down that road at this point. No pun intended. That was terrible. It's all good. She said sidewalk, it would have been better. It's horrible. The analogy wouldn't work. The metaphor wouldn't. Go down that path. All right. So before we make a decision, why don't we turn this over for public comments? And so again, if you are a member of the public and want to comment on this and are using Microsoft Teams, you can go ahead and raise your hands or you can type into the chat feature that you would like to chat. And Annie, go right ahead. As a member of the Bike Walk Advisory Committee, I had been hopeful to be able to interject during that conversation. Micah, do you mind if I just go for it? Free flow it here. So I just realized while we were all talking that I had never presented the petition with 116 signatures on it for the crosswalk at the corner of Maine and Pleasant. And what I'd like to do first of all is tell you that that petition exists and that Raj Chalwa left into action showed up at the first Bike Walk Advisory Committee that we brought the petition to solidified an engagement with Micah and the rest of the Bike Walk Advisory Committee. I then joined the Bike Walk Advisory Committee thanks to Micah and Seth and Elijah and oh, I forgot. And everybody for welcoming me in there. And so I would strongly suggest that we add that third crosswalk at the main and just below Church Street, which is also a dicey situation. A young student got her leg broken by a car a couple of years back at that corner over there. She wasn't crossing Maine but it was at that turn at Church. And so we had meant to write the petition. So I mean as a resident as a Bike Walk Advisory I'm kind of free flowing it back and forth. We had intended to write the petition for both of those crosswalks. We felt concerned that we didn't know that everyone was going to leap up and help so fast. We're so grateful. Micah has just been extraordinary and the committee. And then Seth brought up the other crosswalk that you see before you, which has long been in need of being looked after. I really like what Sarah was saying, and I don't think it's a too big a leap of faith to take it for one more. But I don't know all of the particulars that I'm asking of us. But that would be great to get all three under our belt before the new fiscal year. Am I saying that correctly? I also know that there was a preschool conversation with the EJRP preschool about the crosswalk right over there by where the preschool is about children needing to cross right over. I know that there's construction but to cross over at Park Street? Yeah. So I mean I'm happy to work hard and work fast. If those are things that we can add to this, I would be delighted to press in. But all that being said, I don't want to mess with what Micah has already done and I don't want to lose our ability to get that clear path to the two that we asked for. Does that all make sense? Great. Thank you for hearing me. Thank you very much. And Annie, my sincere apology to you. I completely forgot you were on the Bike Walk Advisory Committee. That's okay. I'm waving up. But also, you know, Micah and Seth are both here. I didn't mean to like leap into the fray like I had that strong a voice at that table either. So I hope I wasn't disrespectful in any way to anyone. No, you're fine. Thank you. All right. Any other members from the public have comments, questions on this? Okay. Seeing none. So I'm just going to be blunt in terms of whether we apply for three or whether we apply for two. I would really look to Micah, the rest of the trustees, if you all feel that it's worth the risk to apply for three instead of two in terms of is it too much? Are we putting ourselves out for a greater risk? Or is this money that we could get regardless and we're underfunding or we're potentially losing out on money? If you guys feel that you want that, I'm good with it. I don't care. If you don't feel that this could harm us in any way, great. But I don't know whether or not that has any reality in it. So I'd really look to you on that. Given that we're, and even with three, we'd still be on, you know, the lower end of this grant application. I don't think that's putting in the project that a significant risk to add one more to it. And our limitations were based on the BWAC budget would be exhausted at two. But if the trustees are willing to fund more, we could add that. Well, so it sounds as if we have the additional funds within, and Sarah, please correct the statement if it isn't correct in any way. But it sounds like we have the additional funds within the matching grant to allow for this. And again, as long as that wouldn't shortchange us for any other potential offer. The funds are available. And as Micah said, it's almost June. I mean, so. So I would be fine if we were to change the motion to reflect three beacons with a grant application not to exceed. And bring us up to about 21 total, 50% of that being matched. Total grant, a total application of 21,000 with half being from local funds. I would be completely fine with that. And you guys can figure out where that look, that third location would be. So I saw Seth, Annie and Evan looked, I'm not sure which of the three of you had your hands up first. Seth, haven't heard from you yet. If you want to go first, then Annie, then Evan. Yeah, I, I was just going to tack on that. The third beacon would only be an additional 3,500 approximately out of the, out of the budget. So kind of a pretty, pretty small adder to what we were currently asking for. But I think that was already well covered. Thank you, Seth. Annie. Two things. One, I do want to ask Micah and Seth if we're sure that I'm not, Seth, I panicked that maybe there was one other crosswalk that I should have been. Am I correct? Am I reasonably correct that this is the next important one that I'm speaking to, Seth and Micah? I think that is right. That is what I had in my mind as kind of our next priority. Great. Thank you. And Seth, do you feel good too? Yes, Annie. Thank you. And then secondly, am I correct through my understanding of Sarah and everything else that, by the way, I'm like crying over here. I'm so moved by this conversation right now. Am I correct that the money... Could you direct your question to the chair, please? Oh, I'm sorry. Andrew. Well, am I correct, Andrew? Thanks, Evan. Am I correct, Andrew, that the money, sorry about that, that the money will not damage the refreshment of the funds for the BWAC for this upcoming fiscal year? That's my understanding based on what Sarah had already mentioned, is that those funds would come out of this current fiscal year and not next fiscal year. It depends on when the expenditure happens. So if the expenditure doesn't happen until July, it's next year. If it happens, it will be July, it's this year. So along those lines, do we know when the grant award for this would be? Well, let me check what their projection is for that. I'll have to get back to you. And I was just skimming through the document as well. Annie, I'm scared. Go ahead. I don't know if I was clear in my... I'm not sure if I understand what I just asked her if I'm being clear, Andrew. I guess I'm trying to say is, if we get the third one, is it like a freebie in the budget so that it does not affect the BWAC budget upcoming because there's funding available for it? You know what? I'll be happy to try to answer that. Go ahead, Evan. Our fiscal year runs through June 30th. If they're applying for a grant now and we get the funds before June 30th, we will try to do them before June 30th. If it happens afterwards, it goes to the next year, which the bike walk has money in the budget for that and the but and the board has the same 20,000. If these are the priorities and this is what the board wants to do with their grant priorities, great. Let's go forward. The other thing is when you do this motion, could you also please add in, for just sake, any other expenses related to the installation will get covered by the grant funds because we don't budget for these things that if there's some other electrical work or other things that end up being done outside of the grant, we'd like to do it while we're there. Thank you, Evan. Go ahead, Raj. The grant program timeline says notifications to all applicants March 15th. Grant agreements in place end of April. The timeline works. Project construction made October 2021. Hold on. Just scroll down. Pardon me. Sarah, invoicing reimbursement is November to December 2021, but we will have expended our share of that prior, right? Right. The expenditure happens when goods are received or services rendered and then we'll have a receivable for the associated grant revenue at the end of the fiscal year. One of the other things that we could explore if it all happens to be next year and we're underspent on these two budgets at the end of FY21, we could talk about assigning those funds to allow them to roll over as well. Those are just all things though that don't happen until December or the earliest. It sounds like what we may be able to do is to just have a motion to support the purchase and installation of three LED-binked beacon RRFB lights in the village. I don't think we need to get into the minutiae of how much it's going to be. I think you guys can all figure that part out and that that gets well in line with the speed rail of this while also fitting into the ensuring that it's not just the material, but also the cost of installation. Works for us. I would say so moved. Yep. I think you articulated it perfectly, Andrew. So we'll go with your motion. All right. So Raj has a motion. Did someone want to second that? I'll second it. Thank you, George. I do want to ask a question. Micah, are you, is everyone cool with this work, this additional piece of work you're going to do on time? Is that you okay with that? The modifications to the grant application? Yep. That will just take a few minutes. Yep. Good. So the motion has been made. It's been seconded. Is there any further discussion on that motion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Okay. That passed unanimously. Micah, Bike Walk Advisory Committee really appreciates your efforts on this. Really appreciate the dancing in the background so that I don't have to do that. Really appreciate all of your work on this. Thank you. I know the community appreciates it as well. Thank you. Really appreciate this. Have a good night. As well. All right. Well, we are definitely past 635. So why don't we go ahead and go to the public hearing. I will go ahead and I will call the public hearing on the fiscal year 2022 proposed budget and capital programs to order. And just so everybody is aware as to how this will work, our finance director Sarah Macy will go through a presentation. Seeing as this is a public hearing, what we will then do is after the presentation we will have time for public comments. So if there are questions or comments from the public, that will be the time to do so. I will make sure to say that again when we get to that point. When we get there, all questions should be directed to me and I may have to ask staff for assistance in answering them. If you have any questions, start the process. Let me know. So with that, Sarah, take it away. Thanks, Andrew. Are you seeing my screen? Okay. We are, yes. Awesome. Okay. So my plan is to start with a high-level overview of the budgets and then I have all the details available to help to clarify anything for any questions. So the one, I just want to make a quick note, the presentation is going to cover all funds of the village, which is the general fund, the capital funds and all the enterprise funds. There is only one of these funds that's actually voted on by voters at annual meeting or on the ballot this year and that is the general fund. So that's going to be the focus of the presentation, but I am going to touch on the other items as well, as is customary in the village. So we are talking about the fiscal year 2022 budget. This is the time period that runs July 1, 2021 to June 30, 2022. Overall, the village general fund budget is very similar to the last couple of years. There are just a couple of changes that I have highlighted here. The most notable is that there has been a formatting change whereby I have moved the rolling stock transfer, which is for highway vehicles and fire vehicles out of the transfers and miscellaneous costing center and into the respective departmental costing centers. The portion of this that is associated with highway rolling stock is then proposed to be included in the transfer from the town of Essex, which funds the village highway budget. That has not been approved yet because that would be in the town budget and that goes to town voters in the beginning of March. However, the town budget that's been adopted by the select board to go to the voters does include that. The only other large dollar change is that we have included an additional $25,000 in the transfer to the building's maintenance fund in order to address a couple large dollar high priority projects. Sarah, can I just interrupt for a quick moment and ask that if you are not speaking and are joining the meeting, if you could please mute yourself, it would be appreciated so we don't get background noise. Thank you. I just did some muting of folks. I was in a big training once and I did that and it was the speaker on it, so I'm trying to be careful now. There's the additional $25,000 that increases the annual transfer to the building maintenance fund from $50,000 to $75,000 to help address the two priority projects, which is the roof at the Brown Hill Library and an electrical and electrical project between two Lincoln and the fire station. Outside of that, the largest cost center or the largest cost driver in actually the town and the village budgets are personnel, which I think is no surprise to anybody. Staffing levels remain stable and we actually had a pretty stable insurance budget year over year for health insurance and dental insurance employee benefits such as those because in last year's budget, the actual cost came in lower than budgeted and so then we based our new budget off of the actuals with a planned increase and so those remained pretty much stable year over year. What I'm displaying on the screen now is a summary of the overall change and so the overall budget is proposed to go from about $5.4 million dollars I'm rounding from FY 21 to $5.6 million dollars in FY 22. This is a $274,000 change. This is 5.1 percent. This is the bottom line expenditure budget and so in a moment I'm going to talk about how this impacts the tax levy in the proposed tax rate and that's going to be and why that's slightly different from this. Largest cost drivers here are going to be the increase in capital transfer that's the $25,000 I talked about going to the buildings fund as well as a planned 15 percent increase in the dollar amount going to the capital fund. This was recommended to the trustees by the capital committee for the last few years in a row. The next largest item is regular contractual increases to salaries and those benefits that I was talking about and then we move into addressing some additional buildings maintenance needs that don't really rise to the level of capital. We do have a new initiative this year to pay stipends to all volunteer boards in committees and increasing the amount paid for the trustees, the planning committee, and the zoning board of adjustment yeah the ZVA which are the only three that are currently paid. Just a note here that increase for the trustees will also show up as a separate line item on the ballot. The dollars are included in the budget so those won't be doubled up. We're just required to have specific approval for that item for the charter. In FY 22 we will be conducting a salary study which is a contractual obligation and the community development department will be working on the land development code update which are going to be some increases in professional services. We are intending to do some additional paving and patching projects and we're working to get our salt budget closer to where it's actually been over the last few years. There are other ups and downs throughout the budget that net to about $5,000 so those are the big ones. Okay so taxes we just looked at the overall bottom line budget which came up to $5.64 million. The proposed tax levy which is the amount to be raised by property taxes is $3.75 million which is a $76,000 increase or 2.1%. When I look at a slight increase in the grand list based on the seven-year annual average we're looking at less than a 1% change in the tax rate for village taxes so why is this different from the bottom line in the budget? That's because non-tax revenues are changing to make up the difference in particular moving the highway rolling stock into the highway budget which is then funded through a transfer from the town makes up the majority of the rest of that. So we're looking at an estimated it looks like about $9 on an average property that's assessed at $280,000 which is the average assessment in the town and the village actually. So this is a graph that we show every year and so this is actually current year FY21 the year we're in right now talking about how property taxes for an average assessed an average home assessed at $280,000 and the village are divvied up. The majority of the taxes are 65% are going to the school 21% of your tax bill is going to the town of Essex and then 14% is going to the village of Essex Junction. So on a $280,000 home currently those village taxes are about $953 a year and we're talking about an increase of about $9 so $962 a year. That wasn't hard math but do it you know there's something nerve-wracking about being on camera and doing on the fly. Okay so that's my high overview of the general fund quickly I'm just going to touch on what we're doing in the capital realm and then the enterprise funds and then I'll open it up for questions or for I'll let Andrew open up for questions. So the village has a number of capital funds there's the capital reserve fund which is for generally infrastructure projects the rolling stock fund which is for things that rolled took me a long time to wrap my head around that. EJRP has its own capital fund and then the enterprise funds for water sewer and sanitation have their own capital funds as well. So some of the projects that we're either currently working on that are going to go into the next year or proposed to be new for the next year are a replacement to the vector truck that's a super sacrifice $5,000. We're going to work on the Densmore Drive culvert replacement in the road reconstruction project which I know we have been talking about over the last year or so. The capital funds in the enterprise funds also contribute to some debt payments. We're going to be working on energy conservation measures at the wastewater treatment facility the manhole rehab and then playground equipment fencing some pool chairs and landscaping for parks and rec. The village has four primary enterprise funds. So the EJRP program fund the water fund the wastewater fund and the sanitation fund and so these funds are not do not rely at all on tax dollars they rely completely on user fees and so this is where the recreation programs such as child care and summer camp and pool are budgeted for and paid for and those all those are all self-sustaining based on user fees and same with water sewer and sanitation. The largest increase here is an increase to the EJRP program fund what's happened is the child care offerings have expanded and that is just about the entirety of that increase but it is budgeted to be made up with incoming revenue for those programs. I have just a few notes here about the enterprise fund so the wastewater treatment facility is owned by the village of Essex Junction but it does serve the tri-town area which is the town of Essex the village of Essex Junction and the town of Williston and the rates that are charged to the various user bases are based on average flows coming from those three communities. As flows have been increasing from the village over the last few years that has caused the village rates to rise the wastewater treatment facility also faces a number of challenges with state and federal regulations I'm sure you all heard about the PFAS and stuff like that in the news and so there's ongoing and you know there's a lot of stuff going on with that and there's ongoing and new regulations that seem to be coming up all the time. Additionally there are some bond payments and the sanitation fund grows every year a planned amount in order to build capacity in the rate to pay that debt service. We're also hoping to finish the water meter replacement program in the next year or two so I'm just going to make a plug right now if you haven't had your water meter changed out please let us come change your water meter out. We have some exciting plans for some technology improvements once we get to the ending stages of that project we have about 500 meters left. At this point these are estimated utility rate changes for FY 22 looking at overall less than four percent increase in July that is estimated because what we'll do is at the end of the year we'll reconcile the flows between the tri-town and look at water usage and total change in number of accounts so those are not final yet but that's where I see us going in the coming months. So I'm going to switch screens I'm going to stop sharing and I'm going to hand it back to you Andrew. Thank you Sarah so as I had mentioned from the beginning this is the point where with it being a public hearing if you have a question on the budget that you have just heard please go ahead and raise your hand or type into the comment feature or the chat box that you would like to speak and that'll let me know that you wish to address the board. So now is the time to go ahead and raise your hand if you have a question. Questions going once. So Andrew I have a question. If you don't mind hanging on it was that wrong. I can handle it. Yeah if board members if you don't mind hanging on we're just going to prioritize the the public portion of this and we'll come back to the board. So Marcus I see your hand is up go right ahead. Thanks a quick question I just wanted to ask about the what was the goal of prioritization in coming up with these with this budget and these numbers was it to maintain from lack from the year previous was it to grow was it to pull back. Can I ask what that what that objective was from the trustees. Sure. So the objective was to maintain the same quality and level of service as what our community has had. So no growth no change really to ensure that our community was able to maintain the same services we've we've enjoyed for these years. Thanks. Are there any other questions from the public. Andrew I think you have someone by the name of Paul who looks like he's speaking but his microphone is turned off. No OK sorry I didn't I could see you speak I could see your lips moving and I wasn't sure just talking to myself. Oh OK dude no problem do that all the time I totally get it. All right so seeing as there are no members from the public who had comments or any other comments Raj you had one go right ahead. Yeah just for the dens more drive you know we're expecting some FEMA money back for that. What is the expected final outlay um should everything go as planned for that project. I'm trying to answer it back to you. It's it's I guess my question is basically it's unlikely to be the full eight hundred thousand dollars. Well I'm thinking I might I'm thinking that that was I mean let me get back to you. That's good. Yep. Raj I could tell you that FEMA does not fund 100 percent. We will be lucky if we are in the 80 80 percent 80 percent range for FEMA funding along with any state funds. Sure. Yeah I was just trying to clarify it's a big number. So just trying to yeah it is a big number. It's a very difficult job because there is a active stream running under it that's why it washed out. There are utilities running through there that are not easy to move and and locate and reestablish. So it may look small and it really I mean it's like 60 70 feet of work but it's over an active stream which is also an impaired stream according to the state and so therefore there's a whole lot of and it's right next to two active driveways. So it's it's a fun one not for the neighbors and not for the property owners but it's it's delicate. Go ahead George. I don't really have a question. I just have a comment and Sarah can or Evan can correct me on this but and I think overall it's very good news that the actual dollar increase for village taxpayers is pretty low. But I do want to point out that this is that this year in for the town budget they are eliminating the town highway tax which was a tax that was paid exclusively by town residents outside the village and that means I think it was I think it was somewhere in the order of 150 or something like that last year and so that that cost will now be distributed throughout the community. I think it's appropriate. I think it's fine. I don't I'm not saying I'm not protesting but I do want to just point out that the good news on the on the village end there's a little bit probably a little bit higher than usual increase on the town tax end and I don't know if you wanted to comment on that Sarah or Evan. Is that am I correct? You're correct. I thank you for bringing that up George. I do think that for for village residents the town tax increase is looking at about looking like about $55 I think which is higher than normal but the increase on the village side is lower than normal right? Whatever that is but and so they know yeah it balances out and so that the net effect of that one action which is moving the rolling stock into the into the highway budget in the village side which is then funded by the town while also eliminating the town outside the village highway tax comes very close it's a very small net effect. These are you know big complicated budget so it does kind of get buried but those that one piece is having a small effect overall so thank you for bringing that up George. Yeah and Sarah I mean I don't understand why you can't get your head around a rolling stock tax it's it's pretty straightforward man it's I mean anything that rolls come on how hard is that? I mean it's been like two or three and a half years now and I just like what's wrong with vehicles and equipment? If they've got wheels on it it's in the rolling stock okay just gotta think differently you gotta think differently. All right well it seems as if there are no other questions on the budget for the public hearing and as such we can go ahead and close the public hearing on the FY22 budget and that will bring us to our next business item 6B to consider the approval of the April 2021 budget question for increase of the bills trustee stipend. Right so I'm going to take this one so as I mentioned let me get the this packet up as I mentioned as I was you know during my so running through the budget stuff the budgeted increase to the trustees is required by the village charter to go on to be voted on separately at annual meeting and so it's going to go on the ballot as a separate question in addition to having the the dollars included in the budget already and so this is just the formal action to approve putting that on the ballot so that we can do that. Thank you Sarah. George if you don't mind me putting you a little bit on the spot this the amount of 500 has not changed since you know your tenure on the board and as you are the the longest-serving trustee how long have you been on the board since 2008 and so I'm going to guess that back in the 20th century that that $500 was like a windfall at some point I don't know when you know when it when it kind of slowly transitioned into being just a little something that just sort of three-year checking account out of out of whack every every couple of months but yeah I as far as 500 bucks back in 2008 I don't I have no idea how far back it goes probably I have no idea no idea long before me. So the desire of this I will say I brought this up the first increase since 2000 since at least 2008 and the other thing that I would just add to this as well as as we are increasing the stipends for the other boards as Sarah had mentioned the zoning board of adjustment as well as the planning commission it's would also help to make sure that the trustees have a have a stipend that is in line with other parts of the community so with that are there any questions on this from trustees or comments from trustees George is that hand to hold over oh sorry yep I'll take it in no worries so before we make a motion are there any comments on this from the public so again if you're using Microsoft Teams you can go ahead and raise your hand or you can type into the chat feature to let me know you have a question and I would be happy to call on you and I see a hand from Marcus go ahead. Thanks again I just want to like to understand a little bit more about the motivation behind it if I could from you Andrew um I mean again 500 to a thousand dollars for the number of hours I believe that you're putting into the work seems like a ridiculous here's here's a gift card and a thank you note but at the same time are you putting this forth because of trying to offset some of the the trustees costs or are you putting this forth to try to help attract more people to these positions so I will only be able to speak to my personal motivation as to why I I put this forward for this request forward for me it is a mix of all of the above it's a mix of the ability to hopefully to recognize for one the 500 dollars from at least 2008 is no longer 500 and so it's to to really increase that to something to help and recognize the amount of time that we put forth into meetings especially given the amount of meetings we have had these past few years in regards to merger and will continue to have in the years living forward regardless of how the merger vote goes while at the same time trying to increase the hopefully increase the pool of applicants for trustees for planning commission for the zoning board as well as our other committees where we are offering a stipend as you said about 500 dollars you know kind of being like a gift card and a thank you card certainly after taxes this isn't anything that we're going and buying a second home for it certainly is a nice thank you though and as such trying to increase it will hopefully be able to entice others to to run I believe the last the election two years ago was the first time we had a contested election in the village for trustees since 2012 I believe so maybe some competition will come out of this as well may I inquire from the other trustees as to their thoughts on on this same motivation where they might be coming from absolutely other trustees if you want to try and as my dog is starting to bark that I really appreciate it well I'll jump in right off I believe it's you know when it's compared to what's going on in the town right now I don't know what has it been maybe five years or so ago that the town raised their stipend to 1500 dollars and I believe it was even higher than that initially maybe seven or eight years ago that I think they were talking maybe 3000 maybe George could correct me on that but anyhow I don't so much do this job or run for office to to make money but for the the time and the inconvenience the travel the you know I belong as a rep to the for the village on the regional planning commission and we'll travel to Winooski not very far but a meeting at least one meeting a month there and many of the other trustees are on other boards and commissions so they associate with the responsibilities of being a trustee so it does help offset some of the expenses associated with that thank you I mean this is Roger I'll jump in I I think you know one of the things we've learned through these community conversations is that you know there are some barriers to participation in on committees and it that extends all the way up to the trustee level and anything we can do to make it more possible for for people to participate and consider serving in one of these roles I think is is important you know I think every one of us would want to do this if it's stated at at the current level to be honest but I think in my mind I'm hoping this is an interval step to a higher amount that that does make it possible for people from populations we that we don't see participating at this level in our community and I think that's critically important especially as our community changes so I'm I'm hoping that this is a small step towards that and I'll I'll just agree with what everybody else has said so far thank you I appreciate all the all the comments and input on that thank you okay George if you wanted to chime in as well I'm pretty sure that there would not be any complaints oh sure I didn't know if Amber wanted to I I frankly I was on the fence about it you know as Raj said I think we'd do these jobs anyway even if there was no stipend but when I'm on the fence about things and I can't figure out what to do I try to listen to what my fellow trustees say and Raj Chala made a good argument in favor of doing it and so in the name of solidarity with the rest of the board I support it Amber not to call you out was there anything you wanted to add I think everybody's covered it pretty well thank you all for that Annie Cooper I see your hand is up go ahead hi thanks Andrew um I think I appreciate exactly how Marcus uh phrased his question and I agree with the the the terminology of you know that it's a tough spot you know to go all the way to a thousand for for a whole year um and I think that I appreciate everything you all said and I agree with you the hardest part about this I think is that you're sitting in the very seat that you're in discussion about this for but really you're not you're not asking for this for you right you're asking for this for our future and so the the complexity is that it looks like you're putting your hand up for yourself and really you're just setting a tonality for for our future and I am I agree with this idea at a million percent and I love it that it's going on the bow like this and I really appreciate the conversation and I just think everything about this is um hard for you all to discuss and come to because it looks like you're saying hey give me money for something you would obviously do for free anyway but I think that the value of of pushing this um up to a thousand and creating a space for people to to understand that there is a financial respect for the role and it puts us as residents and the board in a in a I think a more thoughtful relationship so thank you all for your hard work and discussion on this and I'm glad to see it's um it's going forward thank you Annie are there any other questions on this seeing none I will bring this back to the board and so board if there are other questions now is the time otherwise someone wants to make a motion go ahead I can make a motion I guess um I'll move that the trustees approve adding a question to the 2021 village annual meeting ballot that reads quote shall the annual stipend for the position of a trustee of the village board of trustees be raised from five hundred dollars to a thousand dollars in quotes thank you Raj thank you Dan is there any further discussion on that motion hearing none of those in favor please signify by saying aye aye anybody opposed okay so that passed unanimously thank you all and that brings us into six c discussion and possible approval of research for economic development commission on potential initiatives like phoenix project events robin pierce as you come to us I love that name but it's just your own name robin but the phoenix project events robin are you with us it's a great name sounds like sorry yeah sorry to disappoint you I'm here um you may have heard it a lot and maybe it's a bad play on words but I just like PPE because it's been around a lot so I think it's possible phoenix events um I just think you know we've we've had two events we started off with the opening outside and out in the bud and we made a lot of contacts and you know a lot of staff are involved Annie Cooper was a you know a rock star throughout the whole thing and I think we have these contacts now and you know the CDC has said maybe late summer early autumn there's an opportunity for people to get out and get you know a modicum normalcy I thought it might be a nice thing um to think about maybe set it up that'll be definite I have spoken to a few people um it's a good marketing advertising thing for the businesses it also gets people out into the street and maybe celebration of you know coming out the end of the tunnel or at least getting to the end of the tunnel I just think it'd be a wonderful thing to do there may be some cost to it but I wanted to just get a nod that's something worth thinking about I have you know being me I have spoken to a few businesses already one in the town a few in the village and they all thought it was a nice idea and that they'd be willing to do it participate some would do it just because it's a nice thing to do others would do it you know with a few funds to help them but you know we've done that before and it doesn't take a lot of money you know to plant a seed and from that seed can come great things and this would be planting the seed it wouldn't be you know planting a mature tree thank you Robin and I that inspirational music started to come through in the background there is really sorry it's any oh I'm enjoying it speaking for myself the man said once in the movie when he's interviewed the first guy ever in the magazine they said why when did you leave Ireland and he looked and smiled at them and said never that's awesome do you want me to turn it on no no so speaking only for myself I'm not going to lie when I first read this I went to my spouse and said this is awesome when I'd love to see these things happen these are frankly these are classes these are these are opportunities and that we would take advantage of I know friends and neighbors would take advantage of many of these I really appreciate you putting this forward and would love to see what can come out of this my only ask would to or of you would be to also include ejrp in this absolutely absolutely just in a sense of they they really also do a great job at bringing the community together for events in classes and so it would be a great way to really bring the brain trusts together to have the best possible events that we can do very good destroying public events I mean they're the experts on it so with that I see Raj your hand is up go right ahead so I'm going to try to fold this in and it's probably going to fail a little bit so bear with me I think Robin will get it though first of all I think this is fantastic Robin thank you and pre-covid the board was talking about you know we kind of through ejrp another task right we we asked them just to figure out how to engage with segments of our community that don't always come out and and have events of their own so if there's any way to kind of revisit what we were talking about and I'd be happy to connect offline Robin and sort of I honestly I I'd let that go a little bit because of COVID I think that once that hit we just sort of you know that was one of those initiatives that that maybe just needed to take a little bit of time but if we're going to do this then it it seems like some of that impetus could be inserted into here absolutely I'd love to do that Raj also before I forget I posted today on design five corners facebook site three grants that are coming up for community engagement and stuff and I actually sent an email to Micah just because we've been emailing back and forth this week and asked them to take a look at it great so that that's great I think you I think you know what I'm talking about that's awesome absolutely this sounds like a great time all right George Gordon I I wholeheartedly support this I think it also takes advantage of a lot of the expertise that's in the community I think there's just all kinds of talent out there in the village in the town that could that you know that people that could lead these kinds of classes you want to talk about you asked me about about history I can get some really ancient history each ARP back in the 1990s I remember a long time ago they had it very extensive and Andrew you might remember it they did an extensive list of classes they taught all kinds of things and then because of act 60 and I won't go into all the details they had to really scale it back but I know that it was wildly popular back then and so this is sort of a a sort of a rekindling of that it's sort of a you know resurrection of that so I guess Phoenix is the appropriate name but maybe not for that reason but I hold wholeheartedly support it I think it's a great idea I think it's a great community builder obviously it's going to have to be tuned in and aligned with what happens with COVID but I'd like to see us move forward and develop this you know these ideas I'm not so I'm not so sure about the smiley or an S extension we'll we'll have to talk about a little bit more about that but the other two absolutely yeah fine that's great I mean this was just to get the nod from you guys and then we can go out and take the temperature and see who's interested how many people are interested partner work spaces stuff like that I'm sure some people have it in their own facility others would be looking for us to take what was something that they could use every spoke to the library about their new fabulous pavilion outside and Wendy thought it was a great idea and she'd like to incorporate that it's got electricity it's got light it's got everything you'd need in the wonderful you know late summer early autumn days with bright sunshine 80 degree low humidity that we get around here sounds great before we make a motion or vote on this we get a are there any questions from the public any Cooper see your hand go right ahead oh daddy tonight I'm sorry to say Andrew can you ask Rob but can we find out from Robin I feel a little stupid I'm not sure if the word Phoenix is something I should already have known about is this a title that Robin gave to it can someone help me understand the title I think Robin is probably the only person who can speak to the motivations as to why Phoenix is just rising from the ashes you know it's just coming back from being at a low point it's you know I really I was looking more for the PPE so so I understand correctly Andrew that and Robin I'm just making sure I follow Evan was correct before to redirect me to Andrew so I'm just so if I understand correctly that the title is Robin's idea as well yes okay so then two things one is the New York Times is published an article and I'm pretty sure they stole Robin's idea because I'm sure they did again so typical typical of them from New York State sorry George what you said your tip it's very typical in New York Times to steal Robin's ideas yeah so I'm pretty sure they got the idea from Robin and I agree that working with EGRP is fantastic and not that anybody cares what I think but I think that and also Robin if you want any help absolutely any absolutely all right these are great ideas thank you all very much thank you all right thank you any any other questions comments from the public before we bring this back to the board being none if somebody wanted to hang on second I pulled this back up was this something we need to make a motion on yeah why don't we go ahead and if someone wants to make a motion to the extent all right I'll make a motion that the trustees give staff permission to research the potential for each of these initiatives and bring back proposals for trustees approval that would include time frames estimates costs if any any costs would be paid from the economic development fund and is there a second second I'll second that I think Raj beat you too with though George so there's a motion on the table it's been seconded is there any further discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye anybody oppose great that passed unanimously Robin as always thank you I really look forward to seeing these come through to fruition and that will bring us to the next two agenda items are discussions that we will have an executive session so that will move us into the consent agenda motion to approve the consent agenda I'll second thank you Amber thank you George any further discussion on the consent agenda George the whole as the hand to hold over oh sorry sorry sorry no worries seeing is there a none all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye anybody oppose I'll see unanimously thank you and I close in for now sideways who sideways Dan yeah Dan is here yeah he's never mind now he's gone everybody now yeah he's gone you're going on together that's fine you just screenshot you've depixelated reminds me of like the 1970s couch my grandmother or grandparents had yeah anyway as we digress that brings us to the reading file board member comments and as the rest of the board thinks of comments I just want to make sure to point out the the email from Brad luck about questions regarding the merger booklets and ejrp and their role of providing child care for the entire community through ewsd if you have not seen this I highly recommend taking a look to better understand why the Essex Westford school district had asked them to do this as well as the benefits and cost savings to everybody in Essex including all of the town those who don't live in the village and the great programming they provide in a great philosophical debate we could have at some point in time about the role of government in providing these services let's see Raj I think your hand was up first I'm just trying to I think I just pulled up the wrong village center development the only thing it's just this is so minor Robin's providing these great updates for what's happening in the village and I appreciate that if we could start including addresses there's been a few months where we've had the Hinsdale property referenced and because I'm slow it takes me a while but anybody else who's kind of perusing these things from it's not on this board or not on the planning commission or capital committee may not know where that is so it might just be helpful to to put an address in there that's just such a minor thing but someone brought it up to me and I thought it was a good idea so good suggestion that's just very minor thank you Raj go ahead George this is a little work request that I'm not sure or maybe a trustee request I'm not sure where this goes but I went to the I was at the planning commission meeting last Thursday and the reason I went to it is because they had invited the other committees to join them it's sort of a preamble and pre you know preliminary discussion and an update the bike walk committee was there the tree advisory committee was there the economic development committee was there Annie spoke and in the course of all the discussion and I wanted to hear it and it was great but several people mentioned something called the landscaping fund and apparently the idea here is an amber is nodding her head and so it might be amber it might know it and Dan might be after Dan so the idea if I get it is that developers applicants are supposed to spend something like two you know two or two two and a half percent of their budget on landscaping and if they don't they're supposed to make an equivalent contribution to the village landscaping fund and several people said where is this landscaping fund where's the money that's gone into it and so I was thinking about this and I'm assuming this is in the land development code and I thought it this really kind of bothered me for a bunch of reasons I haven't as again I haven't ever dealt with the landscaping fund if there was such a fund I would assume that funds are things that trustees get to spend staff can make recommendations but the authority to actually spend the money would have to go through the trustees and I don't remember dealing with one of these although my memory isn't what it used to be but I'm also wondering what what exactly is the point of this if I'm a developer and I am not I'm not sure I want to make a contribution to the village I'd rather spend all my money on my own application instead of saying well gee I didn't spend enough money on landscaping so I'm going to give the village X thousand dollars and so I'm just curious what is this about and is it do we need to maybe expand the definition of what comprises landscaping so that and then just say developers have to spend this much money on landscaping and here's a very broad definition of what landscaping is but I think from a trustee perspective I don't really want to have another fund we have we have a rolling stock fund a capital fund lots of wastewater treatment funds we have all kinds of funds and we have a land acquisition fund we just discovered an economic development fund I would rather not have yet another fund that we have to keep track of and and audit and and then lose track of so I'm just wondering if we could have someone look into this and I'm not sure if it's Robin probably Robin looking at and since and it just jogged my my memory because we're saying Robin is going to be updating the land development code this year so this might be an appropriate time to have him kind of look at this and you know say do what does this thing need to be revised and I'll stop talking because I think ever can maybe enlighten me about it all thanks I'm not sure if I can enlighten but I believe Robin gave a presentation to the planning commission at one point I don't believe this fund to actually exist and I think that's what the conversation is but obviously Robin is on the call so I'll let him speak to it himself but I know that this conversation has come up many many a times among the planning commission members and I thought the end result was there it's not like there's a bucket of money with like you know five grand in it that's just waiting for somebody to spend it it just doesn't it's because it's been it's been it's been taken care of like they've they've expended the money for landscaping or whatnot Robin did you want to jump in on that I'm sorry not that I direct staff Evan did you want to jump in on that I would like Robin to address it first and if he's still on the call if not Greg's there and I'll jump in afterwards Greg why don't you take a stab sure and Robin try me after I speak I know you know more about this than I do it's something that's come up in the past Robin and I have talked about it it generally you know Robin works with the developers to to make sure that they put what's needed landscaping wise into their projects but we've talked about it one of the ideas is that kind of the Georgia's point what is the point it's it's tough to track you know you're tracking it based on is it two percent of the project based on the estimated project when it starts is it based on the final project how do you get that number landscaping wise are you buying wholesale are you buying retail what's what's the cost so we got back to that land development code probably a good time to take a look at it and just just what are the landscaping objectives and in each zoning district and does such and such project meet those objectives so that's my knowledge about it but Robin again feel free to chime in yeah okay sounds like he has a bad connection but I would agree that's that's how I remember the conversation and again our goal is to get developers to build to the plan they submitted to the plan commission right you know you may change a species of a tree or something because it's not in stock or time of season but other than that if you promise the community a pretty picture build to the pretty picture yeah yeah so we'll we'll talk with Robin this week and we'll present something yeah as we get into the land development code rewrite yeah no need to belabor it yeah thank you uh Raj you haven't gone yet yeah so I was going to comment on that but everybody's done a fine job um the land development code I'm assuming that's going to have more than one or two public hearings and opportunities for people to participate and those will be yeah okay right the only thing I was going to say about the other topic was um it started to sound a little bit at the beginning like the conversation we've been meaning to have around impact fees developer fees all the other stuff that we keep wanting to get back to um and maybe not aligning but um revisiting um but it sounds like it's a little bit different so right amber well if you don't mind me jumping in it's just it's just when someone says a fund you know I we don't need yet another fund I mean and you know I'd rather have the money the developer just make sure they spend the money on their project get a get a nicer looking door or some nation looking windows or a nicer looking sidewalk or something I you know or something instead of giving us money that goes into a fund that it gets lost you know if we want them to do something and they cement over how are we going to use that fund to re-landscape that cement I mean just makes more sense for them to do it the first time yeah and and just to have that clarity at the beginning right yeah go ahead amber I was just going to say it actually to Raj's point not only are there several public hearings but they're every planning commission meeting the way that they usually center is they take a chapter and they kind of go through it and so it's a really great opportunity um to for for the public to come out especially when we're operating in a zoom mentality here um and voice their opinion on each of these different sections including the conversation that we're having about landscaping now is the time to do it not in a year from now after it's already written what's the what's the best way for us to to create interest in that do you think um I know zoom zoom I mean look we're we're getting more participation than we have ever had because people can do it on their couch now but how can we get people to as a as a board can we because it's pretty important I mean you know because we always hear or I haven't been on the board long enough to have an always here but I'm sure people would say like George and Andrew they always hear after a decision has been made you know um and really these decisions are just based on what's on the books um so I I guess just getting the word out a lot but um yeah and I don't know how to do that I mean I think I can't say I always hear in that in that quotations but as somebody who sat on the planning commission through some pretty large projects um we had nobody with their with their sitting in front of us telling us that they didn't like these things until after it was approved and then it became became an issue um so it does happen and and we do publicize it's always publicize on um you know obviously the village's websites I think at the time it was sx reporter um you know front porch forum and stuff so any other thoughts as to where these things can be published so that folks are hearing about them um in well in advance of the meeting and can plan accordingly well I know when Robin was was with us he had mentioned that he saw a few community engagement grants and so if there were some extra funds to help out with engaging the community in this having some social media presence even doing some targeted ads on social media front porch forum to be able to bring the community out to these conversations would be would be beneficial um and to have those uh have hyperlinks so that way people can just click on the the meeting when it's time as I think Raj had mentioned or Amber did already that can join from the comfort of your couch you don't even have to have your camera on it can be in your pajamas can I just and Jan I know your hands up I just want to follow up on that thought before I lose it I'm sorry um so they go chapter by chapter at meetings but do they sort of put that chapter to bed and the reason I'm asking is if someone wanted to watch after the meeting there's a I think they're recorded right yes they will then have an opportunity to make comments like there's still more process involved they don't have to be live to offer input it's a lengthy process I went through at least one maybe two when I was on the planning commission and uh there's opportunity throughout the whole process before the whole thing is you know was adopted or approved by the planning commission and moved to the trustees um the the other thing I just want to bring up when we were talking about the uh landscaping fund as George is calling it and you know it's not so much we need a fund but what we need we I don't know if Andrew if you were on the board but we put we established that much anyways the ordinances that we established attained to uh noxious weeds people dilapidated structures in in in such but what we need not so much as the fund but we need enforcement of the code and that is key we need we I don't think we have enough enforcement of the code people paying fines for non-compliance obviously to get your occupancy certificate you have to comply with all the conditions that your application had on it that was approved by the planning commission so um that could be something to look at yeah yeah I agree thank you Dan uh so Annie I see your hand is up um this is board member comments uh I would say if you have something that you'd like to address to us quickly I'm okay with it well is is this a is this something that the public can weigh in on at any time traditionally no but I'm fine no no I appreciate that that's very nice no I would like to follow the rules thank you okay yeah and I just want to just wrap up what I said Andrew uh you know I'm not looking I don't have a solution I'm not saying let's abolish the landscaping fund or but I would like maybe an amber gave some clarity uh and Dan I just like maybe you know to get a little input what Robin thinks about it should this be uh something we keep need to be revised and so forth and I didn't want to make a big deal out of it doesn't have to happen right away but just over the course of the next year uh does this sense it there seems to be a little bit of confusion on on the part of some board some committee members about what it is that's how Robin I see your hand is up or is this about yeah um yeah sorry and you called me away for a second there's um yeah the landscaping fund there we've had a few inquiries from citizens um regarding the landscaping fund and how much money did we get or didn't get or was outstanding my one memory is when you know Dave Crawford was here we got $1,800 from Bartlett Weaver don't know where that went but they gave us the check and I passed it on to Dave at the time um maybe in the general fund I'm not sure most of the other facilities what people seem to forget is the landscaping fund is not just plants it's hard-scaping it's pergolas it's all sorts of stuff so when you're looking at you know what was built what was spent it's not just how many plants went in there um my two main concerns at the minute are the connector road they uh you've heard me sing this song before but the v-trans policy does not provide funds for trees benches the lights we have in the village they they will they will pay for standard lights but not the preferred lights in the village we need money for that the new one main street pocket park we need money for that so all of this is overseen by the community development department it seems to me that any funds that do come from developments that can't meet it's actually a two or two and a half percent standard some I've heard seen emails where it said two or three percent it's not it's two percent for the larger projects two and a half percent for the smaller projects I think that you go into a fund that's overseen by the community development department so that the money is spent judiciously and on projects that are the priority in other words projects in the village right of way because you know as we said about one main street we're not just creating a sense of place we're concerned trying to create a place of pride I think that's where that money will be well spent thank you robin board members are there any other comments and if not then I would entertain a motion to enter into executive session who so moved Andrew I think we need to do a little more specific to try to get them hang on a second you had put it up there I can put it up there do you want to put it up anyway better right here I do not have it memorized I've got to hear you got it okay I move that trustees make this specific finding that's general public knowledge of confidential attorney client communications made for the purpose of providing professional legal services to legislative body would place the village at a substantial disadvantage so that's motion one can I get a second second any further discussion on that motion hearing none of those in favor please signify by saying I somebody opposed hi thank you so that's unanimously and motion two I move that the trustees enter into executive session to discuss confidential attorney client communications made for the purpose of providing professional legal services to the legislative body pursuant to one vsa section 313 a1f to include the unified manager village attorney assistant manager deputy manager second second thank you Dan any further discussion on that motion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying hi hi hi anybody opposed okay so that also passed unanimously for members of the public we will we will be an executive session for a little while we don't believe we're coming back to this meeting I think we may adjourn straight from that meeting Andrew question do we we have a separate link to go to that meeting is that correct yes we do and okay yes before you all go there's a second motion for executive session I'm sorry in this case to discuss the evaluation of a public official do you want to do that now then sure I'll be as well I'll make the other motion that that the trustees enter into executive session to discuss the evaluation of a public official in accordance with one vsa section 313 a3 second second thank you George any further discussion all those in favor please signify by saying hi hi hi everybody oppose also pass unanimously so Andrew uh when you guys adjourn and go into executive session I'm going to close out this meeting yes and Kathy ain't worth yes I just wanted to make sure that um any motions to close the um executive sessions and anything that happens afterward uh be recorded and sent to me absolutely thank you so much have a great evening everybody you too well thank you an executive session thank you everybody all right bye