 and I'm Tyler. What's up? Welcome everybody to the Linuxcast. We talk about Linuxy things. That's what we usually do. We're minus Josh this week. He got called out for something or the other. I don't really know all the details. Don't need to know. He just is off. He's probably off bothering somebody. He's gonna get banned. I'm assuming. I mean, just his track record assumes that he's gonna get banned from something while he's out and about. Anyways, like I said, we talk about Linuxy things. Like always, we're gonna talk about some Linux news. We got some good stuff for you this week. But before we jump into that, we talk about what's going on in our world of fuss on our personal level this week in this week. I can't talk so it's gonna be a really, you know, one of those episodes. Words are freaking hard. Please don't have a stroke. Please don't have a stroke. I don't think it's that bad. It's just words are hard. So Tyler, why don't you tell us what you've been up to this week in open source? Well, I've been away from the house watching some dogs. So when I had a chance to be at my computer reliably, I've just been, you know, getting a little little fried, getting pretty pretty stony baloney. And then I've been back using Gemini, which for everyone who has no idea what Gemini is other than the rocket. Gemini is like an alternative like web protocol. It's very minimal. It's essentially text only. It is text only. And it uses a very, very slimmed down markdown format. And Gemini is actually like there's plenty of people who use it. It's very nice. A lot of creators used to have Gemini capsules a couple years ago, but a lot of their capsules which by the way, Gemini websites are referred to as capsules. They used to have them, but they just kind of went on maintained because most people weren't really, most people you were using Gemini for like blogging and stuff like that. And so it was a really fun place to go and just read and search. But like if you were looking for something to like, I would like to where for most of your like web browsing and like finding info, like through a search engine where you're just trying to find like how to do something, a guide or maybe a little bit of documentation. It's just not available on Gemini. So one of the things that I'm doing on my capsule to try and help alleviate that is I'm actually making a massive repository of different resources. So you can go there and search different things. And I'm also looking into making a Reddit style like web app thing, but for Gemini. So people can go and use a essentially really into Gemini. Yeah. Well, just so you know how, how, how convinced I am that this needs to be done. And it would be a fantastic thing for everybody is I've already like converted over mostly by hand, like half the Gintu AMD 64 handbook and some quite and quite a few related pages. And then I have a few very like useful like different articles from the web that I've essentially paraphrased or just copied and linked back to at the bottom. So it's available over there. And I think if a whole bunch of other people start doing this, Gemini can definitely be used as something where you only really use your browser for those beefy freaking web apps, like, you know, like, or going to, you know, websites that make sense for something like the web, like, you know, Patreon, where you're going to do like financial stuff or manage a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, like YouTube, like, you know, like essentially using it for like what the web has now become, which is essentially just what you are fighting for a better open web. Yes. And also one of the things that this is really not something that affects me, because I do have pretty damn good internet out here, as much as we joke around about it, my internet is very good compared to a lot of people's and I do understand that and I'm very appreciative of my internet. But for those who don't have good internet, the web is starting to get to a point where it's really, really hard to browse efficiently, even for just agree, I do agree when, since I am one who has better internet, I do agree that some pages are a hassle because they contain so many video ads, so many animated gif ads, so many animations effects and everything that is useless for a good web browsing experience. So if what you're saying is true that Gemini takes all this distraction away, I understand why not users should start using it. And one of the biggest things is for people on low internet, like you get to think about it when you look at most just general like websites, like the websites will pull up like nine to five Linux, like just different websites like that. A lot of like the navigation on the website is is taken up by photos and all of that's implemented in JavaScript. And there's there's just a lot of bandwidth being eat up just just to navigate the page, not even display the information. There's a nice feature if I don't know if my brain is frozen right now. But if anybody has noticed it, but in Vivaldi there's a feature in the address bar it shows you this how many megabytes the size of each website is. So I go to news websites to read the news, the daily news, local news here. The local news websites here have it worse than CNN. Because CNN is considered one of the most ad bloated websites out there news websites. Well, come to our local ones. The text is this long. It's just six lines. But you have to scroll for a minute to get to it. Why? Because you got ad popups over all over the place, because they want to make money. And not only that, they charge you $8 if you want to watch the whole entire news after the fact, the news episode of the previous day. You want to watch the whole episode. It's on YouTube, but it's unlisted. So if you want to watch it in its entirety, you have to subscribe for eight bucks a month. But anyway, besides besides that, the size of that website, I measured it. The size of that website is 230 megabytes every time you load. Oh, fun. So, Tyler, I have a question for you. So I understand where you're coming from. Well, first question, why not create like a Python script to scrape the websites that you want to use instead of because what you because what you don't some people don't think about is some websites are so no, I meant more like the gen two one and the arch wiki and stuff, the ones that you don't have. Oh, yeah. OK, so very simply, very simply, there's a lot of a lot of really good formatting done to the gen two wiki. And there's not a premade script for scraping the site for the text and then like converting the HTML to Gemini that I really like and also works for some of the specific stuff that are on those wikis. Like if you think about it in the wikis, there's like notes and like like the gen two wiki, for example, like there will be like notes that are like, you know, they're like blue or tip is like green or something. And they and then there's like warnings. Well, I need I need warnings are read and they're very important that you read them. So like, I need to do something special to delineate those from other notes or tips, because again, I can't color code and do all super fancy stuff. So like one of the things that I do is I format it where the warnings have like a red exclamation emoji in them. So they'll catch your attention compared to the other ones. And then there's a few other special things like that that just basically have to do a lot of work to convert the very heavily designed websites to Gemini. I mean, if we're being honest, if you're not trying to if you're not trying to make something extremely high quality and you're fine with a pretty decent decently formatted website with nothing with nothing even close to fancy going on as much fancieness that you can get with just text and markdown. Basically, it's kind of like org mode for the part when GT made a video about org mode converting websites to org mode or something. It becomes a very simple like 90 style website with no styling, no, nothing's just work down. Yeah, it's essentially the same terminal format instead of being in an actual browser. For most websites, I there is actually a if you go to if you start searching the Gemini protocol on the web, they have a normal website and a Gemini site as well. But you can find they do actually have a list of a whole bunch of different tools like clients and then a whole bunch of just different stuff like there is actually a get front end that you can install so you can track get repos on Gemini. I tried messing around with that and the go build failed for me but whatever. But they do have tools for converting HTML to Gemini and for most websites, I'll probably just use that. But right now when I'm working on Wikis, I really want to make sure the formatting is absolutely correct. That's a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. I've spent like the past two days, probably like eight hours a day working on it. And I've only got like, I haven't made that much progress. I tip my hat to you, sir, for good for work well done all for the for the well being of the open source community. Thank you. Also, I will say, I do have just a regular old BS journal where like a pretty much blog there. So if you want to check that out, who doesn't have that? I have that. Exactly. Techzero.com. Yeah, I mean, everyone's got to have a little blog, you know, it's just got to happen. It's part of life, part of life. All right, Steve, what have you been up to this week in open source? Thank you for asking, sir. I've been up to a lot. I can tell you right now, my brain has been Python doubt. I've been watching Python videos for the past few days to learn how to code in Python. But the video I found, I guess, is the wrong video to follow because all the guy does in Python is arithmetic one plus one. If if grade is 80, then it's a or less than more than equals. Oh, it's it's a lot of math and mathematical formulas and stuff just to explain Python. It's a five hour video that took me two days to watch. But I got lost after the first three minutes. But I can I'm keep I'm watching it still maybe something will stick because hear me out. A lot of people came on your server came at me I was talking about that on the pre show came at me saying that you know you can turn zero Linux into a script like DTOS something. I was like, yes, I know we can. And they all want me to ditch color Morris. It's a it's an attack on color Morris, because color Morris is not the friendliest or not friendly. It is the friendliest. But it's not the an installer without issues and issues that really are annoying. So they want me to ditch color Morris. So I started hunting for arch install like scripts. Because it offers they offer more flexibility, only in the zero were in the zero Linux world, it will only offer zero Linux KDE. It will not give the open, like the arch install script, it doesn't have a profile for desktop and then in desktop, it has KDE, it got XFCE, GNOME and all the desktop environments under the sun. It's just going to have zero Linux KDE. I'm going to limit it to that or else let them use arch install. So I'm working on an idea like that for the far future, not the near future. But I need to if I if I am to to dive into all this stuff, I need to learn Python because it's all Python, Python this Python that it's coming, it's starting to come up my nose, this Python thing. So I decided to start learning instead of bitching about it, like like a grown man should. I've had the mentality of a kid for of a pigheaded kid for two years. It's about time to grow up and shut up and grow up and start learning a new language, something useful, put my time to use. So I'm learning Python and so far I didn't understand a word. I'm trying. It took me two days. It took me one day to watch. It took me five hours to watch the video, but it took me two days because I've been watching it over and over and over and over and over again to understand one thing I keep getting stuck at at minute five. Minute five. I completely lose understanding. I don't I start I don't understand anything. So I need to watch it maybe a million times to start understanding something past minute five. But that's why I'm saying this is a plan for the future for the very far future, because to me to start being able to use very basic Python might take me five years. At the pace I'm going it might take me five years. Are you hold on? I do just want to quickly ask. Are you watching like classroom kind of stuff? Okay, stop. And I'll tell you this with programming what I found out. If you want to learn quickly and you want to learn like, I wouldn't say the best way, but if you want to learn quickly and be able to make small stuff for yourself the fastest, don't watch how to like guide like general guides that get you into the language and teach you all the syntax and everything. Just go straight into search for super simple Python guides to make like specific little programs like a calculator or or, you know, a random an advanced random number generator, and just follow along with them. And as you're going, you'll end up with a whole bunch of different things that you can for one you could say you've made. But also, as you go, you'll learn more and more of how each thing does what. And if you don't learn something right away when you're doing it, it doesn't really matter just keep pushing a forward. And eventually you'll get to a point where you're revisiting those things or you start learning why like why that syntax is that way or, you know, because a lot of people that I talked to about Python, they tell me it's a very simple syntax that that is very close to bash. No, in some ways, in other ways, not the same language. I'm not sure. We understood what you meant, Steve. I'm just trying to come from the people who told you that trying to figure out how they come to that conclusion like yet in some ways, but in other ways, no. Because I mean, I would say they do share this implicit if statements and elif statements. It's the same thing in bash that it is in Python. Very similar, very close, kind of very close, very close. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I guess I never really thought to compare those two together. Because I wrote a lot of I wrote a lot. I wrote a lot of if statements in my scripts recently. And when I was watching the video and I reached the conditional part and Python conditional statements, as they call it, it was very similar. I was like, okay, if this, then that. And at the end, if you use elif, you can use elif as as many times as you want. But the last one has to be else without a semicolon or what you call it a dot comma, whatever semicolon you call it, the comma, dotted comma, a semicolon. There's no semicolon, there's no then after that. Else is the last statement. It's exactly like that in bash. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, I can write that in Python. But there's a lot of things that are supposed to be this long in bash. But the advantage of Python, you can condense it into a single command. The the only thing I will say that you'll find you'll find with programming is I wouldn't, I wouldn't really, when you're first starting, share your scripts, like publicly, with a ton of people, because I know a lot of people do that. And then they end up getting a whole bunch of people complaining about their use of elif statements in their beginner programs. And just so you know, a lot of people will tell you that you need to start using like case statements or switches. Yes, that's what they say. This is the part I was talking about in Python. Yeah. So just so you know, I know it's the same in C sharp. And I'm pretty sure it's true in Python as well. I'm like 90% sure. Don't ever take anyone's criticism over your script seriously. Okay, because they were all beginners at 1.2. And if they get all hoity on your beginner scripts, they can go fuck themselves. Okay, well, I agree 100% with that statement. The dumb part about people getting upset about if l statements is in most program, not in most, but in a lot of programming languages are true. It's 90% true. It's it's it is with Python. When it's actually ran at runtime, if l statements are actually automatically ran, or excuse me, case case or switch statements are ran as if l statements. So there is actually there there is some improvements with using them, but only at a massive scale, like if you've got like eight of them, like, yeah, it doesn't look pretty at all. But it's really not gonna affect the most I ever had in my scripts were two or three. Also, yeah, like, I mean, when you're when you're learning programming, the one thing that you can learn that crosses every single language is that there are 25,000 ways of doing everything. Okay, yes, one way of doing something doesn't make it one way wrong or right. It's just another way of doing something. Yes, there are more efficient ways of doing something. So if you remember terminal for life, he always harped on efficiency in his code or his bash scripts, right? You know, that was his way of doing things. It doesn't make the other ways of doing it wrong. It's just, you know, different. So all right, so I want to say one last thing. I want to say one last thing. I just want to ask you guys, which is the best method to tackle things, this idea, I mean, have in zero Linux, I want the chat to chime in too as well. This is interacting with chat. I don't have the chat in front of me, but I want to interact with chat and as all of you, the host, co host, the chat, everyone, what do you think is a good idea for a distro, not zero Linux, just a distro in general, to provide a simple installer, which is calamaris, and a advanced installer, which is an arch install like base script, or create two separate ISOs, one with just calamaris and one for the advanced people that has no live environment, just TTY, and the arch install like script. Do whatever is best for the developer. Well, yeah, I'm talking for the users. Don't don't don't count how to the users ever, because you're never going to make everybody happy. So do whatever one works best for you. At the end of the day, you're making it. So but what I would say is if you are going to go with the the advanced install, and it is just an install script that does install script that will provide users more flexibility. For example, I'm just going to give one simple example. If you select calamaris, the calamaris, the easy method calamaris, it's going to have what you see on the live environment. It's going to have pipe wire, you're going to be stuck with whatever is on the live environment. Whereas with the live with the arch install like script, it will ask you, do you want pulse or do you want pipe wire? Do you want this or do you want that? It's going to give you more options. I would just go with the arch install script. For one, just because personally, I know I could make I could feasibly make that pretty simply. So like, I mean, I'm not saying I would get it done super quickly. But I'm saying I know I know I could get it done and have it be really polished at the end. And that's the same time the advanced installer, because that installer, I consider it more advanced, because people should know what pipe wire is what pulse is the differences between them. What? Well, but so like that option, you don't even have to call it an advanced install. Because like, really, if you're going to provide like, let's say you're going to provide an ISO that's just it's just regular arch ISO, but it boots up with with a you know, script already there. And it pre runs it when they log in or whatever. Or like when it boots up, however you want to do it. But if you're going to go that route, it doesn't even really need to be advanced because as a script as you make the script, after it's done and it's functional, you can always go back over it and have it just dump out to the console and explanation of what things are right before they choose them. And that's like that's kind of the doing someone. I mean, that's one of the reasons why open BSD still doesn't have a graphical installer. Because for one, if you go and install open BSD and you can't do it, there's something clinically wrong with you. It is so super, like so super simple. And half of it is just like, it's like, do you want this? And you're like, the default answer is like, Yeah, that's what I want. The reason I'm asking is because the TTY tends to scare people away. That's why people look for arch based distros, not arch install. Okay, there's there's two, there's two things to talk about. First of all, Steve, it depends on what your goals are for the for your distro. Are you aiming to be for new brand new arch users? If you are, then it can be for both. It can be for both. And that leads me into this that leads me into the second thing is if you try to be for everyone, you end up being Debian, which has 12,000 different ways of installing it. Okay, it has 12,000 different, you know, that's what they try to do is is make everybody happy. Yeah, the actual, I'm pretty sure the actual saying is if you try to appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one. And like, that's kind of, that's, that's kind of my point is like, if you if you want to make something like an an arch install script, you can make it be so simple that anyone can use it. And that's probably the goal, because I got to be honest, making an arch install script is not difficult. The hardest part about what you want to do is packaging up the custom ISO. No, I need to learn Python, because it's in Python. You could do it in bash. I mean, if you know bash, you could write it in bash. There was a there was a arch install script that was written in bash, not too long ago before arch install was a thing. It was that I use it a couple times. The idea, the idea is because a lot of users come to zero Linux because it looks good. And and I'm thinking, call it an advanced script, because it's gonna, I know I can explain things like you said, Tyler, in the in the prompts, but making the prompts too long will lose users attention. Well, you I mean, you don't have to dump the entire description of a program. Like, but if it's going to be if it's going to be it requires that if it's going to be an advanced installer, then you should assume people have advanced knowledge of what they're doing. So you shouldn't have to explain everything. So less less text to be written in the the expert install of Debian just assumes you know things. It does. It has a little blurb, but it doesn't give that's what I'm thinking about a little blurb here and there. You could do it. I mean, if you learn some end curses, you could put, you know, you could do an end curses type thing. If you wanted to do that, that that's a little less frightening than TTY. End curses is bash in the end, right? Well, I think it curses is just the front end. It can be coded in pretty much anything. Yeah, anything. Yeah. Well, this is thank you for answering, but I'm I'm conflicted right now because a lot of people on your server mat kept telling me you can turn it into a script, but what they I'm not that I think about it while talking about it is what they meant was is maybe this is what they meant a script that can convert a ready already deployed system converted to zero Linux in a way. I'm pretty sure that that's what they meant because if you think about it, I gotta remember I don't develop a distro for anything like I don't know. I wouldn't even have a clue to do what you do. But if you wanted to take your all of your looks and feels and stuff that you could do that inside a script. And then all of your repositories and stuff like you hope you hope strong repository, that'd be easy to add to like pacman.com for whatever via script, you know, so that would add your repositories, you know, and then just installing the programs that you have on, you know, there are extra to whatever's installed. And it's just be a series of if statements to find out what's installed and what's not, you know, that's what I used. So that's why I created the rice that anyone because the whole argument came from the rice that I shared on your server in the UNIX porn with an easy to easy to run install script that will convert any arch based distro to zero Linux, basically the look only. I'm using that as MD said very S tier marketing for zero. I mean, your distro has gotten attention in like ZD net and I saw it on it's Oh, we reached we read on the distro watch we reached 69 noise position 69 and then now we're position 63 in two days. We climbed from 69 to 63. Man, you got to do the MX Linux and build yourself a bot you'll get to number one in no time. No, but the the your your community I want to applaud your community on your discord because they had a lot of value valued arguments. But it's it was my attempt at marketing zero Linux telling the people okay you can apply this rice on any arch based distro but that's a small taste of what zero Linux is you want the full experience install zero Linux, basically my discord is awesome. Alright, so for me personally, all I've basically been doing this week on Linux is working my ass off. I have been just doing work all week long. I haven't been doing very much recording, although I did record an ultimate guide to Q tile. That video is one hour long, right? No, it's three hours long, dude. All right, that's no that's before editing. It's the funny thing is how much are you going to condense it down to? Well, I'm I'm aiming for an hour. It's not going to get there. I guarantee it'll be at least an hour and a half because I there's after I was done, I realized that there was still a couple sections that I didn't cover and I need to do that if I'm going to call it an ultimate guide. So I need to do the rules and the auto start one hour 40 minutes make it into a theater theatrical film length. I don't I had I did a poly bar one that was just under an hour. That's my longest regular video ever. I don't mind making it long. I mean, I'm going to do a poll poll and see if people would prefer me to split it up. But I honestly don't. I mean, you know, I don't I would be against splitting it up because it's going to be it's going to become very disjointed. Yeah, kind of like DT's you max thing and he's doing right now. It's kind of all over the place. I don't know. I'll probably keep it all as one, but it's going to take forever to edit. It's going to take forever to edit. Now you know why I left YouTube. I went line by line through a QTAL configuration file. And it was fun, but it was three hours long. It's it's your it's what you like doing. It was fun. Don't don't mess it up. It was fun. I'm going to give you I'm going to give you a tidbit from a guy who who is leaving YouTube. Uh, but I come from a big family of media people in the media world movies and TV shows and stuff like that. So when you start editing too much, a video too much, it loses its I know people have a attention span of a beetle these days, but you will have those people who get really interested in what you are doing. But if you edit too much, especially this trend, I'm starting to hate this trend of just cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, a lot of cuts in the video. Sorry, I wasn't cocking like a cock. I was just saying cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. So it's like, like Brody, for example, he does a lot of cuts. It makes me feel like seasick. He's like, his hand is here. And then suddenly his hand is scratching over here because he did a long cut. Yeah, I do that. So I have a lot of cuts in my video too. But I also have a lot of videos are tolerable because you don't do it so much. And this one hour video, if you cut it too much, it's going to make people seasick. I don't know about you, but I cut an awful lot of ohms. I don't know shit. All right. So here's the thing is like I trained to myself. So I when I first started, I was very bad on the arms, right? And that was when I was not doing any editing at all. So I looked online and I took a little course on how to filter yourself out with umms. And it's basically the idea is that you just kind of train yourself to be quiet. Like it's where you're trying to when you're thinking you're going to say the word. You're going to have a lot of dead time at this point. Just say no, just have no sound whatsoever. That's your filler word. And it's because it's easier to cut a blank space than it is a word, right? So I trained myself and I did, I'd done a really good job for the most part. I still say it every once in a while, but it's not nearly as bad. My stupid ass has come up with other filler words. So I've started, I use the word right all the time. Like I'm talking to somebody like, you know, I'm doing this right. I got tested off. And then for a while, I was doing going through. I was like, I'm going to be going through this. I'm going to go through that. I'm going to go through this. I come up with new filler words all the time. So it takes it takes quite a bit of this gets annoying. But what I'm saying is for something like ricing, like what you're doing, heck, I'm, I'm, I'm feeling like telling you, put the three hour thing up because it, but if it has a lot of errors, I don't know. It's, it's, it's getting, it's getting edited because there was a lot of parts where I edit it, but what I'm saying is leave it as natural as if one hour, 40 minutes is the only way you can keep it natural feeling. But don't do a lot of cuts where one minute, one second, your hand is here. The other one is over there. Your face is looking that way. My face isn't on it hardly at all because it's mostly just a terminal. I'll be doing quite a bit of cuts because a lot of times I, I say the word and then I take it. If you're not in the image, then okay. Then I type it, you know, if you are an image. All right, that's why I recommend people who do a lot of cuts to show themselves in a very small frame early on the TLT, the, the Linux to, he used to put himself in a tiny, like three pixels by three pixels. We used to barely see him, but just put yourself in the corner. No matter how many cuts you do, it's not going to show either. I mean, that's why in videos, you should normally just keep your, keep your arms down because that way when you're editing, you can do as many cuts as you want. And as long as you're not, like you don't have one monitor. That's why, that's why I'm going to tell Brody about, about his editing because I really feel sysic. I was, I was in bed, the phone in my face watching his video, he did so many cuts one after the other and within, I don't know, the span of 30 seconds, I was like, Oh my God, I feel sysic. So like, no. Whatever reason, when I'm recording my nose itches all the time, like constantly. So I'm always had, so sometimes when I cut my arms to be down here and then every once in a while you guys will probably see me all of a sudden my nose is starting to, because I have to go up into my nose. Sometimes I cut it in such a way that it looks like I'm actually picking my nose, which is absolutely hilarious. Absolutely funny. All right, guys, we've been going for 40 minutes. We have to jump into the news. We haven't even started yet. The news are not very interesting this week. There's a couple of good ones. I don't know about you. On my side, you gotta find some non-KDE news there, Steve. I'm just saying. I'm the resident KDE guy. I have to stick to KDE. Like Josh is the resident Gentoo guy. We should always just put Steve's at the end and steal late night Linux's thing, KDE corner, we just completely steal it. Anyways, let's go ahead. You watch that too? You listen to that too? Yeah, I actually pay for Patreon for them. It's one of my favorite podcasts. Oh, nice. They're very interesting. Yeah, good guys. All right, let's go ahead and jump in. Tyler, why don't you tell us your first link of the week, please? Oh, I get to go first. I wasn't expecting this. Okay, so I guess we're going to start off with the super boring news that no one will care about. There is two severe Linux vulnerabilities that impact 40% of Ubuntu users. Look, it's very minor news. No biggie. So there's two different CVEs. Those who want accuracy out of this news section will enjoy this. CVE-2023-2640 and CVE-2023-32-629. Both were some pretty bad. Like one was local privilege escalation, which is sick. And the other one was an unprivileged user, may set privileged extended attributes on the mount files, leading them to set an upper file, to set on the upper files without appropriate security checks. Sick. So if you scroll down to the bottom, there is like a list, though, as long as you update to a newer kernel, you're fine. If you're running 5.15, then this 100% affects you. And so that means if you're running a 20.04 LTS build of Ubuntu and you're on the latest and greatest kernel, which there it is 5.15, you're susceptible to this. So you should probably update your Ubuntu server, if you can. And if you can't, yeah, some nice yummy CVEs that affect you. Yummy, yummy. And by the way, before we move on at all, I just do want to go ahead and say, Josh, I do miss you. We all miss you, Josh. So my question about this is 14, isn't like 14.04 still in like paid long term support or something like that? Like if you still have 14.04 installed, you can pay Ubuntu to still support that thing. Maybe it was 16.04. There's one like it's really, really old. I wonder if there's still like like porting old kernels. I think it's 18.04. Is 18.04 the oldest one? I don't use Ubuntu at all. So I don't know. All I know is they have like a really old LTS that they can still I wonder if they're like you just reminded me of Windows 7 and paid support. Well, I mean, like canonical does that stuff. So if you're running like 14.04, I'm pretty sure that's not too far off from the build that Hannah Montana Linux is based off of. So like, okay, just saying for those of you who are IT admins is if you're running Hannah Montana Linux as a server distro, I want to know about it because I'm going to interview you. I want to know why. That'd be great. I used to watch Hannah Montana when I was younger. It was kind of weird. I don't think I ever saw a single episode, but you guys got to remember by the time that she was on, I was in my mid 20s. So it would have been a little weird. Also, well, I was in my late 20s, but I was in my late 20s, but I was watching it with my sister. Okay. Yeah. See, I don't have younger siblings. So I can't use that as an excuse to put Cyrus and then we're like local out here. She got on your achy, breaky heart. Did she Tyler? Oh, no, no, my sister, my sister loved the show. But like we like, like I've seen Miley Cyrus like twice. First time absolute dish. Absolute. But I'm sure she's changed quite a bit. She now has a voice to scare, to scare men out of their clothes. Okay. So, yeah, so like Matt, like, do you have a piece of news or are we moving on to Steve? Let's go ahead and do one of mine. I don't even know. All right. So let's talk about Gnome because I want to talk about Gnome. So this is so Gnome had a conference this past week. Let me just go back up here at the top. Gwadek, I think it's how you pronounce it. 2023. I don't have no clue what that's actually stands for. But they had a developer there that talked about the perils of having more than a couple windows open in Gnome. And they're positing or they're proposing to change the way window management works on Gnome for a future release. And basically. Tiling. Yeah, it's adding tiling. They're kind of adding tiling. Also, they're making it so that windows don't overlap from the way these videos look. Something I'm playing one right now. And it looks like they're creating it so that you yes, there's tiling when you want to have things full screen or side by side. But when you're having just they're doing the apple one but better. I wouldn't say I don't know about better. I do have to wait to try it. But it looks from the animation. I saw that it's exactly like the apple one better. They took some things from the apple one for sure. When it's just one application that's full screen, it goes into like its own workspace from what the thing. But yes, the not only that when when when you maximize one application is going to ask you which other application you want to maximize next to it. Yes, like Apple does. Yeah, Apple stole that from windows. Actually, which is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. No one knows that because no one uses that well. My mom does, but only accidentally because her trackpad is broken. It keeps registering a gesture when there's not actually a gesture being used. So disconnected. So yeah, it's it's going to it's it looks weird because it's definitely not full on apple because they got this weird mosaic type layout where windows don't overlap with each other. They're just there. And then we want to get mosaic. Actually, it's called mosaic. I know that's why I called it that. Anyways, they have this thing. It's just looks weird. I'm playing the videos here now on on on the screen. And it looks like a mixture between like a Katie Tiling script and something else. I don't know. There's no real firm ideas on when this is going to come out. But they're trying it as an extension first. They're going to release it as an extension first. So I guess it makes sense. Yeah. So they can get the lay of the land, as they say, how people are going to react to this thing. And according to the reaction of the users, this is the proper way of doing things, by the way, unlike Katie. He's not better. He's not better at all. I love you and I use you and will forever. I will have your children, Katie, but now for now, let's put the children on the side because you're still not worthy. But anyway, for GNOME, they're doing it very the proper way. They're making an extension that has these features and everything. So the users tested and according to the to the reaction, they either will implement it or they won't by default. Sorry, they will implement either implemented by default or keep it as an option optional feature. I'm just I'm just glad to see GNOME finally having this this like I know obviously these videos are taken inside of like a kind of ideal environment. But they finally have good animations. That was the only like the only problem with GNOME was like it had good animations, but they would never render properly like ever. I'm like, I mean, maybe if you had like a thread, I call it the missing frames animation, especially in the settings where they had those animations, you had the animation going and then it would skip a beat like a few frames and then it will continue and then it will loop. I'm like, what the hell? But so has this refreshed your or spiced up your affair with GNOME? I will. Nothing will not use nothing. Listen, I have accepted the fact that GNOME to Sir Matt Salot here will never love GNOME just the way that I will never love windowman. Yeah, that's not true. Matt's having a secret affair. We all know this is this is all this is bull and I just want to register it right now that no I the hilarious. Okay, so I did actually use GNOME one time this week. I did in that VM for that cutile video. I used the GNOME version of endeavor OS in order to do it. So that's that was my one and I was so confused because I hadn't used GNOME in quite a while and I kept forgetting that so in Firefox you guys know there's this little like down carrot thing that if you hit it it will show you all your open tabs right in Firefox. I kept hitting that thing expecting the fucking window to minimize. But there's oh, oh, I know. There's no minimizing that feeling Matt. Why is there no minimizing GNOME? Why? Like it doesn't make any sense. Please give me my minimize back it just but you do use GNOME from time to time when you make videos every once in a while. But just for variety. But I have no secret level me and not even for videos. I will not touch WM. I would just cut off my hand before I can make WM. You just got to know how to use them, Steve. I'm just saying man. You gotta learn. I'm not a keyboard centric guy. I if I can use a computer completely just with a mouse I would be the happiest man alive. Well, you technically can just get an on-screen keyboard. Without having the need for on-screen keyboard. Well, you find voice to text. Well, that I can do. I did it with Siri. No, when we first I used to work for Apple retail. So when we demoed Siri to users when they first started introducing Siri scripts short series shortcuts. Sorry, Siri shortcuts. There was a shortcut created by a user where you can turn, make Siri do things on your phone with just your voice without going into accessibility and all that. So, yeah, I can do that because I did it for three years demoing Siri customers and Siri shortcuts that I can live with that. When we have such a thing on Linux. Yeah, there's there's voice there's voice to text stuff. Check out a voice to text but voice to command like minimize maximum. Yeah, check out a YouTuber called a bugs writer. I think is his name. He does a whole bunch of videos about how he he created his own virtual assistant with with open source software. I think he's on TLT server. I think he's on TLT server. Could be. I don't know. Makulu Linux. I think his distribution is there's one guy who made Makulu Linux, Maku, whatever it's called. He has created his own virtual assistant that works either in terminal or on the desktop. And since it's his own creation, it's laggy. It takes like 15 to 30 seconds to reply, but it's getting there. It's all his creation. So I might get into that. Anyways, just regarding GNOME guys. No, I'm not having a secret affair with GNOME. I still don't like it. And there's only one guy having a secret affair with GNOME and it is me. Yeah. All right, Steve, sorry, Katie, sorry, Katie, I'm cheating on you for a while. Speaking of Katie, why don't you tell us your first one, would you please? My first one. Well, the most boring one ever. More updates. More updates to plasma six and more updates to plasma six. And one of those updates being now in settings, you will have something called voice sound profiles, sound profiles. I'm like, Hello, Windows. Hello, Mac OS. What the hell Katie are Katie doing? This is to me, I must admit it right here. And then if you continue Katie, if you continue adding useless features like that, I'm considering a divorce. I'm really considering a divorce. Because sound profiles like I want my system to annoy me more, right? I want a system to Didn't you talk about this two weeks ago? No, this is before it was the introduction of the idea. Now we have an actual image on the Foronix for some reason we don't have one. But I saw the image on online somewhere, maybe on Twitter, but anyway, or X as it's called now, the porn site Twitter. But anyway, there was an image showing the actual settings thing with the icon in settings saying that says sound profiles, and then the rectangles. And they have a drop down where it shows you what sounds it will play in this profile. And you can you can test each and every sound that will make and you can download more from online and the plasma store will start being flooded with more sound annoying sound profiles. So I'm like, way to make plasma. I'm going to say again, like I said it last week, way to make plasma more annoying. I know it can be turned off. It's not something you're first forced with. Why introduce that annoying feature in the first place? This is nothing anybody was requesting. This is nothing that's going to make KDE any better. It's just going to add another annoying thing that I have to turn off. Let me ask you guys a question. Do you guys think that Plasma 6 is shaping up to be the most boring release of plasma ever? I'm starting to have that feeling yet. It feels like the only reason why they're moving it like a whole version number is because QT went to six. Yes, I'm having that feeling as well. I mean, granted, maybe it's because we're getting these updates like piecemeal, like we're just hearing like the sound profiles and the random little pieces and we're not getting a whole picture. There's a lot of fixes coming. They're not talking about the nitty-gritty about what's going on behind closed doors. They're just releasing them like nobody's going to release the tech blog that Nate writes. Nobody's going to understand that. It's just something developers will understand, but not the average Joe. But anyway, they're doing a lot of under the hood and they never touted Plasma 6 to be something gigantic. They always talked about it being very subtle change. It's more under the hood work than it is features. But the way they're talking about, the news outlets are talking about and concentrating about this sound thing. It's getting under my skin. I'm starting to see those bits and pieces shape up in the very few features they're going to include in Plasma 6. So far, those very few features including Plasma 6 are useless. They don't need to exist. Please get out of my life. But since I'm a distro maintainer, here's the good thing. Since I'm a distro maintainer, I will know which package, if it's a package for the sound profiles. If it's a package, I'm not going to be including it on zero only. Simple as that. If it's not a package and we're forced with it, I'm going to start talking. Divorce lawyers, divorce lawyers, I will go GNOME. Steve's going to be a GNOME fanboy. If KDE continues to shove the useless features like that down our throats, yeah, please. XFC is where it goes. I'll tell you one thing. GNOME is modern who doesn't want to have an affair with Malin Moro and the KDE is Madonna. Okay. So there you go. If KDE... Hold on a second. Have you seen Madonna lately? I'm just... She's still beautiful. Maybe I'm too judgey. She's still beautiful, but she has too many features. She did take... She was like married to Dennis Rodman for like half a minute. She's got a lot of features, whereas Martyn Moro doesn't have a lot of features, yes, she functions. Also has been dead for like 50 years. I'm talking about, you know what I mean. If she were alive, she was in her beauty. She's GNOME because she functions. She's beautiful. Not many features, not many headaches. Steve, Madonna, too many features. You need to get out more, but I'm just saying, yes, you need some better pop culture reference than those two. Well, I'm 43 years old. That's the only pop cultures I have. Okay. Let's go ahead and move on to the contact information. If you want to get contact with us, you can do so in any number of ways. Probably the best way is to head on over to the website, which is thelinuxcast.org. There you'll find previous episodes all the way back to season one. You can binge those. And I'm still working on hosting the podcast myself. 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Anyways, you can follow the me on Macedon and Odyssey and all those stuff. Those links will be in the video description or in the podcast description. If you want to head on over there, youtube.com slash Linuxcast, we record this live every Saturday around three o'clock PM Eastern times. If you want to join us live, you can do so. And you can also join Tyler and I both have matrix servers now. So mine's been up for longer than Tyler's. I'm just, I just want to point that out. I win. You beat him to it. You beat him to it, my friend. You beat Tyler and something. There are at least five people there that are very active. So head on over there. Those links will be in the video description as well, I believe. And if you don't want to head on over there, you can find all that stuff on the website at the linuxcast.org slash contact. I think that's all I needed to say. Yeah. Not the greatest contact information section that I've ever had, but what do you expect? They're never always fun. I sometimes I wait for it because that's the best one of the good parts of the. That's that's the good if that's the good part. The best part is when I appear on the episode with an act like a like a like a drunk woman on acid or when Tyler's high. Yo, if you can impersonate impersonate a drunk woman on acid perfectly next time, dude, go for it. But it's it's mainly just going to be a lot of sitting in your chair sweating and looking around. They're having a Madonna conversation in the chat room. We've officially lost the plot guys and jumped the shark. That's great. Anyways, I don't think the matrix links actually work in YouTube chat, Tyler. They don't. But just so everyone knows, you can just highlight the full link and then copy it and paste it into another. All you have to do is paste that link in a browser and it will redirect you to if you have element installed or why don't they make clickable links for matrix channel? Well, they do. Yeah, because the URLs are so weird that YouTube like doesn't understand it. It works fine on. Yes. All right. Anyways, let's go ahead and move on. We have three more links to go. So Tyler, why don't you tell us of your second one, please? Oh, I'm excited. Okay. So Intel has done something pretty interesting. So they dropped a driver that has a workaround to speed up the Cyberpunk 2077 Shader compilation. So this is very interesting. Well, yeah, yeah, it is an Intel driver. So this is as far as I know, it's not beneficial for the majority of the people. Well, I mean, people like I mean, there is plenty of Josh, they're like with the arc. Yeah. And there's also plenty of people who do have beefier like Intel CPUs with I GPUs. And a lot of people are saving up for their GPU. So in the meantime, this, this one driver takes the Shader compilation from 88 seconds to 33. So I don't know which line of code they changed, but it's a big improvement. And it is part of the Mesa development branch. So you can go pick that up. Mesa 23.23. Yeah. You guys actually, now that we don't have Josh on here to be biased, do you guys think that the Intel dedicated graphics things is actually going to be a thing for a long period of time? Do you think so? Yeah. Yeah. See, I'm still not good. I think not good, but just going to be in part of the GPU lineup. Well, hold on. Hold on. If you mean, are they going to keep making graphics cards? Yes. I think they're definitely going to keep making graphics cards. Are they going to be pretty decent? And are the driver drivers going to keep getting better? Yes. Do I think they're going to actually compete with? No. With Nvidia? No. Heck no. But, but it does scare me though, because with how fastly their drivers are massively improving the performance of their current cards, if they can like take what they've learned from driver development and exponentially improve on it as they produce newer cards in two generations, they could easily rival AMD and I mean. Well, yeah, when it comes to Linux especially. Well, well, for because I mean, because yeah, because now we will have two open source drivers. And not even that, like even on Windows, most people who are on Windows in game will go with an AMD card because they don't want a lot of the features that Nvidia sells. And AMD is also typically a little bit cheaper. And Intel is attacking AMD's price point. So, you know, listen, listen, you are right when you say when you say it's going to compete with AMD. But to me, I'm not seeing it from the Windows perspective, because I left Windows and divorced Windows a long time ago. I'm looking at it from the Linux users perspective, because in the Linux realm, we need open source drivers, we need hardware that supports Linux better. And with Intel growing exponentially at the rate it's growing at, we're going to have like in the PC space, we have Nvidia AMD Intel. But when it comes to Linux, it's Intel AMD and video can shit its bed. I don't care because it's a nightmare on Linux, especially when it comes to Wayland, please. But anyway, so we're going to have two major players in Linux in the hardware GPU realm. It's going to be Intel AMD. And the PC space is going to be three Intel AMD and Nvidia. But in the Linux space, it's going to be primarily AMD Intel head to head, especially at the pricing at the pricing that Intel is at. If Intel continues to grow while keeping their pricing at the way it is right now, I think Intel might surpass in sales because of the price AMD even price to performance ratio is Intel is going to win in the next round. I guess we'll see. That's how I see it. I probably will still never buy an Intel card. I know, neither would I. I'm not going to even buy an AMD card. I recently realized like why put money on something. It's just my opinion. I'm not saying this is the reality. It's just my opinion. Why put money on something I'm just going to enjoy. I don't really need basically. Okay, Wayland will not run on Nvidia, but am I missing anything without Wayland on X 11? It's going to die at some point, but maybe in five, 10 years. By that point, I would have have to upgrade my PC anyway. Wait, but hold on. Hold on. Like really, it comes down to the simple fact. If anyone goes out and spends like $300 on a new graphics card or any piece of hardware like that for one specific thing like a program or like a window manager or like whatever. Yeah, no. Now, what I recommend, and this is what I've told everyone, like look, if you're interested in Wayland, Hyperland, anything like that, and you have an Nvidia card, just wait until it's time to upgrade your card. And as soon as you do, just get an AMD card. Thank you, Tyler. Tyler, I can jump through this. If I could jump through the screen and hug you for what you just said, I would. Oh yeah, it's a sensible thing to do. This is what I've been trying to say. No, I'm sorry. That's just too creepy. All right. Let's move on. So everyone's favorite in its system has a fantastic update coming. SystemD version 254. It has a couple of pretty awesome features that I don't really understand, but they sound cool. So I thought I'd talk about them. So the biggest one is that they have a soft reboot mechanism in the way. It's basically a fast restart that fast shutdown and fast restart of Windows. Okay. I'm going to just read what Veronica says. It's a mechanism has been added to the SystemD service manager. Soft reboot is similar to a regular reboot, but that it affects user space only initiating a SystemD soft reboot will shut down any running services and any other and other units and then optionally switch to any new root file system and then bring back up all the user space services without rebooting the kernel. So very easily, very easily compared to respringing when it comes to people who understand jailbreaking on iOS. This is exactly that. And since that tool was Linux Debian package, so it's respringing. It's restarting the user space. The hell is wrong with you, man? I haven't even thought of respringing and now it's killing me because like, how is this feature being now added into SystemD when this bit of like, that was an iPhone feature. That's an iPhone feature. Not by Apple. Not by Apple. Careful. Not by Apple. It's integrated in iOS, yes, but the thing that took advantage of it a lot is when you applied themes from Cydia when you jailbroke your iPhone. I don't know if anybody remembers Cydia, but, and now my friend is going to ping me and he's going to yell at me. But if anybody remembers Cydia and Winterboard on jailbroken iPhones, were you applied themes? I used to sell a theme on Cydia. I sold maybe a hundred copies before. Please hold on, say please, please tell me that it was called like zero iPhone or something. Eye zero or something. No, no, no. It's way before Linux, way before anything. Shame. It was called Bloodshot because it was called Bloodshot. If you look it up on Google, you might see a Bloodshot iOS theme that was created by me. It's just bullet holes in leather and blood. Yeah, I saw it. I didn't buy it, but I saw it. I wanted it. It looked good. It was very good because it took me three months to working on it. But anyway, respringing, when you apply a theme on jailbroken iOS back in the day, or I don't know if you still have to, but you had to respring. So reload the user space on iOS without having to reboot the phone. And that was really beneficial when it came to tethered jailbreaks because when you had a tethered jailbreak, it's not an untethered one. You had to re-jailbreak the phone every reboot. So to avoid that, they used the feature that Apple integrated in their iOS but never used it. So they resprung. So basically that feature, that exact feature is coming to Linux in system D 254. Like I said, when I read that article, I was like, what the hell? You're copying jailbroken iOS? So like I said, it sounds really, really cool because it basically sounds like it's going to be used for when certain non-current levels, applications have been updated and need to be restarted, but you don't need to do a full reboot. So that sounds really cool. Or when certain things inside user space crash. So maybe perhaps like K-Win. I'm looking at you K. I was going to say K-Win. Like if K-Win crash, it could do a soft reboot instead of this, you know, like instead of having to completely axe out into doing a TTY and rebooting your system the whole way, it could do this instead. That sounds awesome. But this update also has a couple other things that are really interesting. So startup memory settings are now supported. Then there was another one that, so like the system D kernel install has been written in C and then they also have created a system D battery check, which will check your battery on your laptop during initialization and will warn you if the battery level is too low and then shut it down properly before anything goes wrong. I need that for my thing of the week when I come to it. So this is a big system D update. Sounds really awesome. I can't wait for it. I can't wait for it because it will fix other things. If I read the development that I went because I'm a distro maintainer, I go dig deeper into things like that. It's going to have another feature where you can load more things in the TTY. So I did not have chat open while I was talking about that thing, but I just knew when I went back to it that they'd be having a debate between system D and open RC and run it. I just knew that that was happening. That debate will never die. I just knew it was happening. By the way guys, guaranteed the vast majority of people in the chat right now are using system D and not an alternative in the system. They just want to join the discussion when they should be using open RC. Two out of three people on the podcast right now are using system D. I'm just saying you're not using the system version of Gentoo. Are you Tyler? Hell no. Dude, I'm using open RC and going to be using it for the next five years. Now that's not because I don't like system D though, because quite frankly, I would have kind of liked to have made this a system D install in retrospect because I didn't realize it, but there was some kind of nice system D service scripts that I could have taken easy advantage of, but now I got a rewrite and open RC ones, but it's not that big of a deal. It's one of those things. I don't really give a shit. They both work good. One of the reasons why MX Linux has so many great tools is because they had to create tools to get around the fact that they don't use system D. That's the reason why MX Linux has so many great tools. You're experiencing that. You're going to have to create your own tools because you're not on system D. All right, Steve, your last article, please. Was that a burp? No, but it could be. I'll burp in a second. Give me just one second. Anybody who can meme this? Anybody? Thank you. Oh, come on. You asked for it. Anyway, can anyone create an animated GIF out of what I'm about to do? Do it and meme away, meme away. I want this to be turned into an animated GIF and meme to hell. Okay, don't worry. All right, get ready. You're prepared. All right, I'm getting ready too. Are you going to pee on your camera? Okay. Meme it. Okay, that being said, done. The audio listeners are really confused right now. I didn't want to scream because I don't want to bless out your camera. People complaining about your bleed. But another reason for a divorce with KDE. Oh, no. KDE Plasma 6 will remove shit. That's what I called it. Now they're not only introducing that. I wanted to combine those, have those two in the same episode because this is a perfect day to talk about KDE and how I'm soon going to be divorcing it. But they're not only introducing silly, not shitty, just silly features to be mature about it, just silly shit. Now they want to remove shit. I understand some of them. Okay, the windowed widgets, KRunner, the windowed widgets, KRunner is being dropped. I understand that. Not very useful. The Wayland Force font DPI and global icon size settings are being removed to reduce confusion. Simply how screen UI scaling should be carried out. I understand that as well. But a number of low quality task switches are being removed. Some of them I like. Why remove them? If they keep them on the KDE store, then I would understand. The Air Plasma style who nobody used will disappear. Good riddance. The pre-activity power, the per-activity power settings were useful. Very useful for a lot of my friends with laptops. The system settings, what? Yes, Matt. My question is how many people actually use activities in KDE? Like I know I do, but then I like tabs and that's basically like a tab for your desktop. Apparently there's a lot of users who really kind of like activities because they can separate their porn life from their gaming life. I don't know, but they like it. I don't know the reasons. I just came up with these two reasons just to joke around, but who knows. People like what they like. We cannot come up with reasons why. We can just say weird. But the system settings icon view is being removed in favor of sidebar view. That's going to piss open Sousa off because they use the icon by default. Oh yeah. Which I hate. So they can remove that. No problem. It's just the old style. This is what it used to look like. Yeah. There's another one that confused the hell out of me. Icons in plasma styles are being removed. What do they mean by that? Like from the way the Linux experiment, Nick from the Linux experiment explained it in his news video was like they're getting rid of, so you can only apply icons that come with the theme now that you install. You can no longer apply icons separately. Are we sure that that's not the other way around? Because I'm confused. Because plasma styles are the overall everything, right? No, that's the global theme. It's called global theme. Okay. Dear Katie, stop making the global theme confusing. So in plasma style, plasma style. Oh, so I went to plasma style and you have the it just shows you the plasma style. It just shows you air, breeze, oxygen, land, scratchy. So what do they mean exactly? The icons. Oh, maybe they mean the icons in the rectangle and the preview. In the rectangular preview, there's icons on the left. What a weird thing to remove. That's a weird thing to remove. Yeah. If that's the thing that they remove, unless they're going to remove icons the way Nick explained it, it's confusing. We'll have to wait to see because if they remove the ability to apply icons separately, I'm going to really quit plasma. And the last thing they removed was the unsplash picture of the day because unsplash have new terms of service and it no longer agrees with KDE. So yeah, that's another feature I can live without because I never used it. I use a wallpaper engine because I bought it 20 years ago. It is weird that they're removing things because normally they do not remove things, they just add things. So it is weird. Yeah, this is something new from plasma for me, but it's not a reason for divorce so far because the things they're removing are okay, they're removing, but come on, people. You add silly stuff, you remove stuff. Who are you? Are you KDE? Are you still the KDE I fell in love with and married into? Steve's having an existential crisis. All right, let's go ahead and move on to the thingies of the week. We have to move on because we're running close to time. So the thingies of the week is the last episode or the last section of the podcast as usual. We could have called this anything we wanted to, but all the good names were trademarked. So thingies of the week is what we settled on. So Tyler, your thingy of the week. My thingy of the week is Element. If you're not sure what Element is or what Matrix is, what we've been talking like it's been mentioned throughout the podcast. Element is a client for the Matrix Network, which is a decentralized, secure communication network. When you find your find your dad's only fans. Yes, you're welcome. I'm showing it in L. Steve has no clue what we're talking about. He's going to find out. When you said snap and make a meme, I was like, dude, got you. We're sharing that all over the place. That's going viral. It's so good. I made it so quick. But yeah, so it's essentially just like Discord. It's a lot cleaner and obviously it is more secure. It's open source. And yeah, it's an open source alternative to Discord. You're not going to see as many people there, but I'm pushing my server. I'm going to be quitting Discord in six months or not necessarily six months, but at the end of the year, I'm going to be closing it down. So yeah, I seem pretty happy with it. Let's see if it's going to last. Before you decide to close Discord, let's see if it's going to last. Well, I mean, it's winding down and compared to how it used to be, it's now in an actual like I can easily replace Discord with this. It's not a problem. It's really not. And honestly, as long as you have a pretty decent, I mean, you don't need the best, but at least a decent internet connection. Jitsie works pretty well. I don't have any issues. For me, anything that runs on the Jitsie back end, if you like staring at my avatar most of the time. Also, if you're joining into calls with like, let's say it's like a distro to Patreon call or whatever with that many people. Not only on my podcast. We were just two people. To be fair, Tyler, you and I have had some very interesting experiences with Jitsie over the last couple of years. So it cannot have it down. That's kind of what I'm trying to say. Like compared to the last time that we were using Jitsie. And I mean, really, I never pay it like really, we don't really normally have that many issues when Josh does distro hacking. But I haven't used Jitsie intentionally for a long period of time until very recently. And I mean, I've spent over probably 14 hours, the past two days on Jitsie, like in meetings, in calls, sharing webcams. And it's, it's been fine. Yeah, no issues whatsoever. Like you said, like you put it for good connections, no problem. But for back connections like mine, I want to have a decent conversation with someone on video. They tend to stare at my avatar longer than they stare at my face. And if I want to share a screen, it goes, I don't know why they have it set at five frames per second by default when you share a screen in Jitsie, in the Jitsie Electron app, I'm talking. So they need to set it to 30 minimum, but not at five. All right, Steve, you're thinking of the week, please. My thing of the week is going to be a few minutes. All right. Are you ready, peeps? It's zero Linux on the Steam Deck. That's my thing of the week. Why am I talking about this? Not advertising zero Linux. No way will I recommend users install zero Linux on their Steam Deck. It's just something I discovered by installing zero on the Steam Deck. I discovered that zero Linux on the Steam Deck runs up to, if not more, fast 40% faster than desktop mode on Steam OS. And no, I did not, for the people who have not yet asked, but will ask, I have not wiped Steam OS off of the Steam Deck. I just installed zero Linux on an external SATA SSD, which I connect to the dock. And you know, you can set the Steam Deck to boot off of the external drive by default, just by going and setting. And this is weird in the Steam Deck BIOS. When you go into boot, you cannot select which device to be the first bootable thing. It just tells you first, last, and disabled. So you don't know what first is, what last is. You don't know nothing. You just have to test all of them. So basically, you set the BIOS to boot first. First means the USB device. Whatever USB is connected, it will boot that first. So when you set it to first and save, whatever USB device you have connected will boot off of that. And I have Grub running flawlessly. It detects zero Linux and Steam OS under that. And Steam OS for some reason has multiple entries. I don't know why. But maybe because it's a BTRFS system. Yeah, probably. Yeah, Snapshots and BTRFS. Because yes, the Steam Deck has BTRFS partition. And what do you call them? Sub volumes? Yeah. So that tells you how much I use BTRFS. I don't even know what they call. But anyway, it runs 40% up to 40% faster in everything. I've been running. I've been using the Steam Deck as my primary desktop in the office because I leave the house to go to a small office now. But in the office, I don't use a computer. I use just the Steam Deck. I build my packages on it. I browse the internet. I listen to Spotify. What else do I do? I built the ISOs. They take 40 minutes compared to 10 minutes on my main rig, but it does everything I needed to do flawlessly. And I ran Zanotic on it and Zero AD for Mr. Zero AD over here. So they run at 100 plus frames per second on the Steam Deck. I can't think of anything more painful than running Zero AD on a Steam Deck. I'm just saying full detail and that game is not very easy to run. Trust me. For APUs, it was a surprise to me. It came as a surprise to me because they're upping the detail level every version they release. So it's getting close to Unreal Tournament Black Edition levels of detail. So it ran in Zanotic at 130 frames per second and Zero AD it ran it at like 300 on the Steam Deck. Full detail, full blast. So I'm like at 1080p on a device that has a resolution lower than 1080p. And I have it on a screen of course with a USB keyboard and speakers connected to the thing. All right. So people you can install what I wanted to say by this is the following. People if you have a Steam Deck and you want to use it on the go as both your desktop and your gaming device, don't use the desktop shipped by Valve. That one will limit you up, down, left and right. Just install the distro of your the distro of your choice recommend Arch because it's more on it understands more the Steam Deck. Install Arch or any Arch based distro on an external drive. It will not touch Steam OS. Don't worry. Steam OS is going to remain as you left it. It's not going to touch it. Just install it on an external USB SD card wherever and boot off of that. And you will be able the only thing that is annoying about having a desktop like that you cannot use the touchscreen keyboard of KDE is very touchy-feely. It only works on the SDDM. It doesn't work on the desktop. You have one on the desktop. You have to install one from KDE Store. And the one on KDE Store is very tiny. So it doesn't work. But I don't recommend using the touchscreen. Just connect it to an external display on the go. Use it as your desktop because the Steam Deck is as Tyler puts it. Yeah. It's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best. How Tyler puts it. What you can do is be pro with it and just go ahead and install Gentoo on that bad boy. Or you can know with accessibility features. Or you could do like I do and leave it in its case all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely an option. That's what I do. This is definitely an option. But I'm saying I found a new love for the Steam Deck because when the power goes out I don't need a UPS and beeping noises in five minutes or whatever. It's got a battery life that's going to last like three hours. And it's like a laptop. But it's a portable desktop. I was thinking of buying a you know those portable mini PCs. I was like what do I need that they don't have a battery. I have a Steam Deck. If only it ran Arch and then I install zero Linux on an external SSD and I was the happiest man. We're very happy for you. I have a beautiful thing. All right. Do it people. All right. Don't hesitate. Do it. All right. Damn it. My thingy of the week just real quickly is Tuba. It looks like this. It is a Mastodon client for Linux. It is a GTK client. So if you're more familiar with GTK stuff it looks really good. What. I don't know what that means. Anyways the Tocodon. Tocodon. You made a video about it. Tocodon. Oh I did. I make too many videos. Yeah. It's the KDE version of what you're talking about. Oh yeah. I don't think I made a video about that but I believe I've heard about it before. Anyways now that Tuba is pretty awesome. It has all the features you'd expect out of a Mastodon client. I will say that it does look better not full screen. So if I make this full screen you can see it. There's a lot of blank space there. It'd be cool if they had like multiple columns and stuff like a la Tweetdick but they don't. Other than that it still is a very good client. If you want a native client for Linux to talk on a Mastodon it's really good. So that is it for us this episode of the Linux Cast. Again we record this live every Saturday around three o'clock p.m. Eastern time. If you want to join us live. The replay of the podcast is no longer going to be available for everybody. That will be available for patrons only. The edited version of the podcast will be available to everyone Saturday nights usually around 10 or 11 o'clock Eastern time. It's just easier for me to edit it and make it sound really good. So it's better that way. The audio will continue to be available to everyone available on Sunday afternoons. So there's that. Before I jump out of this we should take a moment to thank my current patrons. Thanks everybody who does support me on Patreon and YouTube. You guys are all absolutely amazing. Without you the challenges will not be anywhere near where it is right now. So thanks very very much for your support. Thanks everybody for that. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you next week. We always have a good time so join us live and we'll see you then. If I'm still alive. If I'm dead you'll be forced to not. Well that ended out of a morbid note.