 Yeah, non-compliance I think is a powerful political tool, but ultimately the reason to do it isn't because of the ends that you predict it will achieve It's it's there's also a spiritual aspect to it because by complying or not complying with various social rituals, which is what all the COVID stuff is It's a set of rituals and taboos By complying or not complying with those you define to yourself who you are these systems of Ritual have themselves a kind of a consciousness or you could say a frequency and for some people they are totally Some people are totally at home in that frequency they've got no problem with it They're they're not making any kind of they're not betraying themselves to go through those rituals the masks are signifiers that mean different things to different people and if you are in the state of consciousness that corresponds to the reigning Paradigms of our society then you will feel at home in those rituals But most of the people on this call to some extent do not feel at home with those and it feels like an act of self-betrayal And that alone is reason enough not to comply Exactly why I've been doing it. I feel true to myself by not Yeah, even if it doesn't do any good and even if someday the Gestapo drag you out of your house into the vaccine Van and forcibly vaccinate you like even if it doesn't work to change the world it's still worth doing and It becomes all the more powerful When you are doing it From the place I just described Yeah, that's exactly I know I've had those thoughts as well Yes, I'm doing it for myself because that's that's the world in which I feel comfortable and that's what I want to live in So that's great. I just wondered if there are many limit limitations to that and I suppose that goes back to the conversation You had with marrying about being hurried Thank You Russell. Thank You Charles Penny if I could bring you up to to join us now I think your question would be interesting to follow Russell's Yeah Yeah, so Dr. Frankel you're probably very aware of Said that we come into the world asking two questions. Who am I and where do I come from which is something you were alluding to earlier on this evening So as a survivor of the Holocaust he discovered in the camp that hope was the key to whether someone survived or not And we know today that hope is in very short supply particularly amongst the youngsters When an inmate lost hope they died very quickly and from what I understand that there are big problems with the young losing hope So Frankel based his life work on this and my question really is what is your understanding of the word hope and we so often use this word hope in terms of creation We create our own hope basically And but my question is Is the about creating hope or is or does hope in your opinion have a different sort of substance It has a different sort of substance. Yeah Hope is it is a function of self trust And It's different from wishful thinking where you have to persuade yourself that something is possible Authentic hope comes from Is a is a premonition of it comes from a glimpse of a future that is actually possible a recognition of a possibility You may not know how to get to that future But you know that there is a way to do that And when you are and when you trust the part of yourself that knows that then you are able to transmit hope to others Well, if you don't trust that part of yourself that knows that then you will feel despair and you might try to persuade and convince yourself that it is actually realistic that we will You know overcome the techno totalitarian elites and and you know all those people But if you have to persuade yourself that isn't actually hope anymore and you won't be able to convince others either because you don't fully believe it yourself So you have to touch the part of you that actually knows that such a future is possible and how do you know It's because you've seen it you've had experiences that show you the future and that you can recognize as Outreaches of the future into the present So receive those experiences with gratitude Gratitude is what integrates them And as you receive them fully you'll come to trust them and you will transmit hope hope to others because when you when you speak from direct experience people will believe you Yeah, even if you don't speak you'll radiate that and and if you sometimes feel hopeless Then you can ask okay well why aren't I trusting myself and what I've actually seen and what I actually know what hurts in me that needs to be healed and cleared so that I can come more fully into my into my trust Yeah Thanks for that I mean I sort of see it hope integrally linked with with faith but also with love you know this whole trio this whole Christian trio of faith open love I think is maybe been Misunderstood so much and it's almost like you can't separate the three I don't know what you feel about that but I just I just sense that because you're talking to me about how I can speak that into somebody's life And I guess I want to be someone who can be useful to the next generation of what that looks, you know, how can I bring hope real hope to Yeah, generation of people that are So speaking specifically to you and I'm sure others also it's really important to surround yourself with people or at least to touch in to a group of people who validate your hope You can't hold it by yourself. Most people cannot hold it by themselves You need to put yourself in situations with very very positive people who are well developed in their trust that a more beautiful world as possible. Yeah, yeah, nourish yourself that way. It's really important