 Good to go. Okay. Great. Good morning. This is a convening of the Massachusetts gaming commission. We are holding this meeting virtually. So I will do our roll call. Good morning, commissioner Brian. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, commissioner Hill. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning, commissioner Skinner. Good morning. Good morning, commissioner Maynard. Good morning. Okay. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Today is June 20th. And we are continuing a meeting that began. Last week. Where we reviewed the. We're reviewing the category two sports, weight ring operator license application that was submitted by NASA grayhound. Association doing business as Rainham. We appreciated their presentation of the application. our internal experts, GLI, RSM, IEB, and then we began commissioners our review of the application and I just confirmed that in fact we did, excuse me, I've got just a little tech issues here. We did leave off at Section C2, which I am just bringing up, my apologies. There we go. Commissioners, we're just turning to C2 and that is the projected revenue section. RSM is available. They also address some of this in our executive session. And I think I'd like to turn to Rainham Park. Is there anything in that C2 section that if we were to discuss publicly, because I want to make sure I'm not venturing into anything that has been redacted? I think it's all on the public sphere. Sure, thanks, Chair. I would ask just the folks from Caesars to weigh in here to as well as to the revenue projections is to make sure we're fearing into anything confidential. And I do have just a couple of housekeeping matters once we get started as well, Chair. Commissioners, much of this may be in the public pack and I'll turn to Caesars, but our questions may delve a little bit deeper. So we'll just be conscious of that. And we have Attorney Mackie today from A&K who will be giving us guidance if we need to move into an executive session. So I guess I just would caution commissioners with your questions. Caesars, did you want to weigh in? Good morning. Good morning. I think we're okay starting in the public session. And if there's questions that get into confidential or sensitive material, we can, I'll let you know, Chair. Okay, thank you so much. Okay, commissioners, questions. Hi. Hey, Chair, well, while the commission, before the commission gives us questions, I just wanted to remind folks who's in the room here today with us, if that's okay. Thank you. My apologies. Thanks, Chair. So first, we have Mr. George Carney, President and CEO. We have Joe Kukuchi, the CFO. Good morning. We have Robert Brooks, Vice President for Operations. Good morning. Kevin Regan, Chief Compliance Officer. Good morning. Mike Michneau, who's our head of security. Good morning. Dan O'Brien, outside accountant. Good morning. We have Sue Rodbricks, also Vice President for Operations. Good morning. And then we have Steve Eichler. I shall. I shall. Thanks. Who is also outside counsel to the company. Hi, everyone. Okay, thank you for that. Any other housekeeping matters? Chair, I know we got through C1 in response to some of Commissioner Skinner's questions. And I think pointing out a few points on our, basically our jobs compendium and our numbers. We actually went back and updated those, not only to correct, I think a mathematical error. We actually updated that based on our current projection. So that number of total jobs has jumped from, I think we originally had placed it at 130 to 160 positions. And primarily that's being driven by the complete separation of security and surveillance that we didn't take into account originally when we submitted the application. But obviously under the commission's regulations, those are two separate departments reporting to separate management. So that's basically the update and the change in those numbers. I just wanted to note it. And I appreciate that Commissioner Skinner for her questions about that and give us an opportunity to go back and take a look. Commissioner, did you see the document that Grace sent around? If I'm just going to thank you for that. Thank you. Commissioner Skinner, did you have any follow-ups that you? Don't follow up. Good morning, everyone. Attorney Nozzle, thank you for the supplemental information and the added bonus of learning about the additional positions. We appreciate it, thank you. And Chair, the other update sort of I'll mention is that we have provided some additional documentation that was requested by RSM. We provided that information. And I know they are in receipt of that. I'm not sure we'll get back to that today or not, but most of that I think is for purposes of the continuing discussion on random parts financials that we had begun in the confidential session. Okay. All right, so we'll get started with C2, everybody. Madam Chair. Yes, Commissioner Hill. So I know we talked about this a little bit, but I would like to know the methodology that was used in projecting these revenues at both the sports wagering as well as the scenarios for the Rainham Park. I don't know who wants, you know, it may be kind of a big picture. You mean for simulcasting and in the switch retail? Yes, please. Sure, Commissioner, I'm happy to start. We used a methodology that looks at average spend per adult on sports betting, adult 21 plus. And then we projected a entire market size both for retail sports betting and mobile sports betting. And then once we got that market size, we, I think as we mentioned before, our assumption is that Rainham Park would capture 10% of the retail sports betting market in Massachusetts, which we think is a reasonable but conservative assumption for the state. So that was our base case. So that's high level how we got to our numbers. We also looked at sort of aggressive scenario at 15% market share and sort of lower case at 5% market share. But generally we started from a top-down method to arrive at our projections. Mr. Shapiro, did you also just to add on to that, make an assumption about spend per adult? I don't know if you wanna share that publicly or not, but wasn't that part of the methodology too? It was, it was revenue per adult. Our assumption was about $10 per adult. But Commissioner Hill, it's a good question because it is a methodology that might be a little bit different than what we've seen in the past. But I believe we've confirmed with RSM there and I don't know if we want to do it in the second session, but their thoughts on the methodology and that. I think I'm comfortable with what I heard during an executive session and the answer that I just got, Madam Chair. Okay, good. And I will say it on the record that it was a reasonable assumption. So the RSM has confirmed that it was a reasonable assumption. And Chair, I'll just quickly add, obviously those numbers also include a piece from Rain and Park directly on the F and B side as well, which I think, again, RSM did calculate in determining its reasonableness when it looked at our range. Other questions on C2? I'm going through all my notes. So bear with me if I'm not looking up. So somebody should just, they want to chime in, just chime in. I think in terms of questions at work answered in our executive session, one that goes into a little bit more of your marketing space was in subsection D where it says, once mobile sports wagering launches and master's diseases will continue to refine its marketing and operational strategies. And I guess my question is you have been in the online space in Massachusetts now and has that happened? And I think the idea was that you'd be shifting from the promotional spend to the more tailored approach just for stickier customers with general public. We certainly would probably prefer that approach rather than the general promotional marketing strategy. And I wondered what you thought you would do for the retail opening? Sure, I can start on that Madam Chair. I think when we first filed our application, we thought that the retail sports book would likely open a lot closer to our role launch. Obviously that didn't happen. And so we haven't seen, we've seen some mobile or some retail activity in the state of the casinos, obviously not here. So we're gonna have to build awareness of this location. And we know that through a mix of database marketing and traditional media as well. I think you're right in that, especially in retail, the promotional aspect is not as aggressive as you might see for mobile. Don't anticipate aggressive offers to come in bed here. It's really about the environment, the social atmosphere, the ability to place your bets and socialize with your friends and you didn't drink in the same place. So I'll let the random folks talk to what promotions there might be around food and beverage, but in terms of retail sports betting, generally there's not a lot of promotion, aggressive promotion that you'll see in terms of bonus bets or free bets or anything like that. A lot of it is about getting customers to the physical venue. Any follow up questions on that? Michelle Brown, are you leaving in? I'm leaving in more on C2F and G. It ties in a little bit though to your marketing question, which is, we asked a little bit about being more specific on the plans to draw people into the facility. And I think one of the responses also talked about advertising sort of in general. And I said it a little jokingly, but I wanna circle back more seriously to the response of sort of, well, what we'll advertise. And what I don't wanna see is saturation of the market again when a new retail place opens. We've already had a lot of comments from consumers in the Commonwealth that they don't want this. They don't wanna be just blanketed with advertising. And so if you guys could speak a little bit more and if this is something that you say, well, this is sort of a trade secret is gonna disadvantage us and we wanna go into private session, let me know. But I'd like to hear a little bit more about the strategy on advertising and marketing in that regard that doesn't mean just general advertising. Sure, I can start. And Commissioner, there's no intention to saturate the market with advertising. I can't think of another market where Caesar does that for retail sports betting. It's just not part of the way we would market retail sports betting. You've got a different cost structure. We know we pull from a certain radius. We'll pull from a certain radius of people that would visit the facility. So it's not gonna make sense to be marketing in every corner of the state. And we know that. Our plans involved targeted marketing. So not only using our database that we've developed through mobile sports betting, but targeting more local residents through things like some outdoor advertising out of home where appropriate. Targeted advertising, whether it's on social or search advertising for folks within a certain radius of the facility. We also know that radio, talk radio can be a powerful medium for sports betting. And perhaps there's a campaign around the opening to get people out to the venue, but not any sort of ongoing saturation of the airwaves. It's not what we're envisioning here at all. A lot of it is gonna be, a lot of it will be done to create awareness of the opening, but I don't see a long-term really leading into heavy advertising on the facility. It's more about developing customers who are gonna wanna come here several times a year to come and make their bets with their friends more so than constant messaging throughout the year. Yeah, we would just add on behalf of Rain and Park that I think you're gonna see advertising that's much more targeted to the unique aspects of this particular facility. Obviously, it's gonna be a great venue for watching sports, certain promotions of the restaurant really targeted to people that can drive there within that 50-mile radius that we discussed. And honestly, I think market saturation is an Rain and Park issue, that's an industry issue. So, and although we're coming into this now towards the back end of all the licensees, I think that that's gotta be something that's taken a look at sort of holistically. But I think Rain and Park's advertising certainly is gonna also leverage the fact that it's a current business that has a pretty loyal customer base as well. And it's been operating in this location successfully and through a lot of adversity over the last, let's see, 1940 to 2020, almost 80 years. Yeah, Dan, if you wanna just add, I think what you've seen in every market that we've opened up retail, we don't run the promotions that we run on mobile, obviously. And we've done very little advertising and been very successful with much of sort of out some of the social media posts and that sort of thing. But we've, in all of the states that we're in, and you've not seen any mass marketing for the retail location, because it's just a different customer. And, but still been very successful with attracting people. Can I do a follow-up, Commissioner O'Brien, please? I think that we, because I think you also wanna go into another subsection too. My statute, Rain and Park is here with the opportunity to gain a sports wagering license because of its simulcast experience. And I know that you're setting your application, you're looking forward to the opportunity to do the cross-sale of the first place in customers. And I think that's really interesting. Two questions and one might have to be an executive session. So one, and forgive me if I med it and not retain it. In your overall revenue or financial analysis, with respect to moving forward with financial stability, et cetera, how much is placed, the revenues generated from simulcasts. Sub-question would be simulcast in person versus ADW. And then do you see an opportunity here for marketing simulcasting in a way that may have not been done before? And then of course, we'll get to response looking down the road and we can discuss that, but more like just here, marketing in general. So it's actually a great question to forgive me. Sure, I can start and I can let the random folks jump in. We do see the simulcasting and the crossover as a big opportunity here. We know that random draws a lot of visitors already to the area through simulcasting, particularly on the weekends. We do very well on major racing event days, Kentucky Derby, the Triple Crown races, Rivers Cup, et cetera. So we know we have that built in loyal audience already that's used to going to the area. We looked at the simulcast handle that Radon Park has which is very strong right now. We didn't project any uplift. We projected current levels, though I think we're optimistic we can grow that through the cross sell. But as we look at trends overall in the U.S. with peri-mutual handle, especially a retail, we didn't want to assume any increase in the retail peri-mutual. So I think you probably saw in our projections was we discussed it does trend down over time. Yeah, that last time that's right. But we're hopeful that we can maintain it in an upside scenario, grow it because of the cross sell. Because as we mentioned, we'd like to offer peri-mutual bets and sports on the same terminals and kiosks. So we think there's an opportunity there, especially around the big events. Racing, horse racing is an event-driven sport, weekends, holidays and big events. And that's really the opportunity we see in the cross sell. You know, anecdotally, we had some folks there on Kentucky Derby Day last month and it was a very nice crowd at Radon Park. And so we're going to hope to tap into those customers as well. Ryan, and I am reminded in C as I scrolled down, C2C, I just hadn't noted it in my notes and you do have your projected tax revenue. I think you guys shorted yourselves by 0.1 to around up to a million in the years four and five. Just a little math thing, I think. I do see the opportunity, I would imagine it. There's a real opportunity there, right, to revitalize, I should say. The sun will cast in the new light. Certainly market it in a modern way. I don't think Radon has done a lot of marketing the last few years and it's remarkable that the loyal customer base they have going to that facility. Seizures, we have a lot of experience with the cross sell. Many of our sports boats, particularly Nevada, have both horse racing, furniture, horse racing and sports betting in the same location. And Seizures also operates a number of race tracks around the country that have both live racing and summer casting. So we're quite familiar with the marketing of that sport. I mean, should you say that? Yeah, and Chair, the additional thing we'll add again, hinted on it, you know, these advertising efforts in many respects are gonna be fairly new for Rainham Park, which because of obviously financial constraints over the last, you know, decade and a half of operating this business, there has not been a concerted focus or spend on advertising. So we think, you know, the fact that there is going to be a change in the way that this facility is promoting, building on something that's been sustainable without much advertising, provides a pretty good opportunity. Okay. I'll go back to Commissioner O'Brien. I think, were you also looking at another subsection? Commissioner O'Brien? I might have a couple more questions, but they pertain to C5, C4, the construction, some of the layout of the actual business space. So I could help. Yeah, let's finish up on C2 then. Anything else on the projected revenues section? Again, we have the benefit of a pretty personal discussion, sort of the component. All right, then let's move to C3. Maybe you see, you see three not in the applicable section. That's category one, only C4 category. Yeah, Chair, we didn't input not applicable in there, so we didn't answer for you. Okay, so now we're in C4 on the construction. And again, for those who may not have followed us in the earlier session and permission, all of us did get a chance to do a site visit, which we appreciated very much. Commissioner, is questions on C4? My question, after doing the site visit, seeing the layout, when you come in and go to the left back corner, there's a pretty big smoking area that's gonna be outside. And so thinking about, you know, you've got a lot of security coming in in terms of 21 plus coming in. Can you speak to how you're gonna secure that smoking area and access and making sure no one's coming in that way in terms of being under 21? Cause it was, obviously as I'm seeing it, it's sort of an open space near a wooded area. And if you don't wanna talk too detailed about other security stuff or placement of cameras, et cetera, let me know and we can do it in another forum. I think, Commissioner, we're probably okay to start that discussion here. So in a public session, so I'll turn it over to Bob Brooks. And thank you, Commissioner. Yeah, that's a valid, cause you can't see what's out there now, but that is gonna be completely fenced with a six foot fence around it with an alarmed egress gate only. And there'll be cameras out there too to monitor as well. So if anyone uses that emergency, egress and alarm will sound right away. So there'll be no entrance from that side at all unless you're contained inside the smoke and patio. So the only access would be having gone through the screening at the main entrance, right? Corrects. Okay. That was it for me in terms of C-4. Okay. Other questions, commissioners? Any questions on the timeline? I think we've got some clarification on that during the presentation. It has shifted, but I don't know if you'd like to clarify it. I shifted from what was in part of the application. I had a question, Madam Chair. Like, Mr. Skinner? Having had the benefit of a site visit acknowledged the game sense space in the new facility. What are your plans for game sense space in the temporary space? We don't have a dedicated space. Yeah. So, Commissioner, there's no dedicated space in the temporary facility for game sense. Our plan is to offer, obviously, the materials and an area, certainly for making sure that those materials are accessible, but because of the size of that space and its temporary nature, we did not include a dedicated space for game sense. We're happy to continue discussions Mark and his team, obviously, the Rain and Park Facility itself that building has other areas that we certainly would be open to having a discussion if there was the necessity of the need for some sort of private meeting room. But right now that temporary space does not have to be dedicated space within its confines for a game spent since meeting room, but materials and space for materials will be made available. Thank you for your willingness to engage in discussions with Director VanderLinden. I think that's really important. We did note the Commissioner Group when we were at the site of visit, the materials, the game sense materials at the entrance to the facility. And I understand that there will be a separate sports book entrance. And so what I hear you saying is that there will also be game sense material stationed in that area for patrons to access. Yes, Commissioner, that's accurate, yeah. Follow-up question, Commissioner Skinner. Would you be adverse or opposed to having a game sense advisor being deployed there if that were part of Director VanderLinden and Council's intention or plan? Would I be opposed to it? Would I be adverse? No, I'm not saying you. I'm actually, I'm so sorry. I'm a follow-up question for the applicant. I'm asking the applicant. I'm just expecting you're not probably, you probably wouldn't be opposed, correct, Commissioner Skinner? Absolutely not. Yeah, I'll ask for a follow-up. I'm interested in how those discussions with Director VanderLinden shape up. Sure, and Commissioner, I can tell you that those actually have already been done. We've met with Mark and his team and actually Brandon Park as a pre-existing relationship with Game Sense, which I think you probably noted in visiting the facility already, but I'll let Sue jump in with a little more detail about staffing and just overall, I will say sort of the staffing for Game Sense, I think is very much something we're looking forward to engaging with Mark. Admittedly, this is a different facility. It's not a 24-7 gaming facility. It's, and we're trying to figure out in consultation with Mark on what that staffing actually should look like for this type of an endeavor. And we look forward to an iterative and engaged process and coming up with what that plan should be. But Sue. Right, we absolutely welcome Game Sense and any of their employees. We've participated in trainings with our employees and we absolutely will provide the literature at the entrance to the new portion of the temporary sports book. But again, anything that they've actually asked us in the past if they could participate on some of our big race days, and we welcome that. Thank you. Certainly at the other sports books, the Game Sense advisors in their very spiffy new shirts have been available to customers to acquaint them with sports wagering. I saw in your application that you will have your customer service folks trained in RG space. And to the extent we could have Game Sense advisors deployed there at the level that mark and company think is best. We appreciate that. Michelle Hill. I'm not sure if we're gonna get into this a little bit more later on the responsible gaming side, but we're happy to talk a lot more about the training piece in partnership with Seizures as well. Everyone. Thank you. Michelle Hill was the first to sport the shirt and all of us ultimately did to support the Game Sense program. All right, other questions on construction? Okay. Moving on then to subsection and just moving as the timeline. C-5. New engagement. So I just wanted to hear a little bit more on C-5C where you're trying about promoting local businesses. You make reference to some of the promo's packages, giveaways and certain venues that you list out. Can you talk a little bit more about Camp and Allen Stadium in Brockton? How you're gonna engage with them or hope to engage with them as well? Sorry, Richard. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you, Michelle. Thanks for the question. Yes, so Camp and Allen, we wanna target what they're doing there. So they have a semi-pro baseball team. I would like to promote that there. And if it means a ticket giveaways to our customers and stuff like that. And also they have other events there as well. We wanna promote to tie in with them because the city of Brockton is also near and dear to the Kearney family as well. So we're gonna stay close with them and help promote their business as well. I like the idea of the only caveat I would throw it is I know a lot of those level teams have really big youth attendance and they do a lot of pushes to get kids in there and families in there. And so I'm curious about sort of whether there's gonna be cross promotions just being mindful of the age sometimes of the audience that would be in a stadium like that as opposed to even while president of Fenway maybe even more pronounced and younger at Camp and Allen. Sure, and I don't think we're looking for cross promotion with them. We actually just wanna help them out. We wanna promote them and promote the city as well as surrounding communities. We're not really looking for a cross portion really specifically for what you just mentioned. And being a 21 over facility for us. Right, great. Thank you. And I'm sure. Yes, Commissioner Hill. Could you give us an overview of how you're gonna be reaching out or if you're gonna be reaching out to nonprofits like food banks and veteran organizations and things of that sort as part of your community engagement. We've seen where other brick and mortars are very involved with those type of organizations, work with them, help them out and even volunteer with them. Anything you'd like to speak to in regard to that type of community engagement? We actually, we look very forward to being more involved in the community. The Carney family has been more of a silent for land purpose in the past, but we all as a team here are looking forward to being able to get involved with the local IMCAs, the main spring houses, homeless veterans. That's a part of our plan. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not sure if the Caesars folks wanna chime in on gear. I think you've heard probably some fairly robust presentations by Caesars in connection with their category three application as to some of their commitments in the community, which we expect will also be an extension and part of what we do at Rain and Park as well. And in fact, your application described that together we've been, Mr. Chair, I don't know if you wanted to elaborate. You've been a leader in these efforts. I suspect that you'll be bringing that the sensibilities to Massachusetts to the despite spot as well. Yes, Madam Chair, I think that's right. I might ask Jeff Hendricks to sort of weigh in on that if he's available. Yeah, there he is. Hello, good morning everyone. Sorry for the odd backdrop in the hotel and I want just the light to come flooding through. So we'll absolutely continue our engagement with our together we win philosophy and all of our CSR initiatives. So as we've recently joined the Commonwealth, we've been expanding our regional charitable organizations within the borders and we would absolutely continue to partner with Rain and Park on any of their initiatives as we also continue all of our corporate engagements. So certainly include work within Massachusetts. Madam Chair. Jeff, would you want to elaborate what you have done in Massachusetts since you've come on one? Yeah, absolutely. So we've had some initial discussions with veterans organizations within the state that were trying to figure out how we can better fund or better assist what they're doing locally. And my colleague, Heather, will be joining us late a little bit later in this presentation. We'll be able to expand on that. But what we're trying to do is figure out given our mobile presence currently and if we're granted our retail presence at Rain and Park, how we can best assist whether that's kind of advertising initiatives, funding, contributions in kind. And so we've already had some meetings just to really figure out what the groups on the ground need today and how we as CSRs can best facilitate that. And we've made plans to have further engagements with them so that we can broaden our relationship and broaden the support within Massachusetts. Thank you, John. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Commissioners, C-5 Community Engagement. Michelle Mead, I'm going to turn to you or Commissioner Skinner. Madam Chair, I was just going to ask. I was happy to see the description and see for myself during the tour the engagement with the lottery from Rain and Park. I do have a question and I guess it would be for CSRs. How do you plan on engaging with the lottery in this way? And I know that this conversation's happened in the past. Have you had an opportunity to engage with the lottery? Dan, would you like me to speak to that? Sure, go ahead, Jeff. Absolutely, so Commissioner, I believe in our original application when we made statements kind of believe or stating that we didn't anticipate that the mobile product would negatively impact lottery revenues. We appreciated the commission's reminder to further ensure that that was corrected if not act to support the lottery. So we've reached out to the lottery separately from these meetings to get and figure out what can we do that would be helpful to them? Is that kind of a joint promotion in our mobile space? Is there some form of advertising that we could lend from CSR Sportsbook that would partner in the CSR Sportsbook brand with the lottery? And again, to ensure that what we anticipated is in fact the case and that the mobile product does not have a negative impact on lottery revenues. And then certainly I turn over to the Rain and Folks if they have any comments about plans for the retail presence. And we did highlight this. Thanks, Jeff. We did highlight this in our original presentation. And I think for Rain and Park, the partnership with the lottery is going to be a very good story for the commission, for the Commonwealth. And really I think provides one of the better opportunities certainly for not holding the lottery harmless but rather potentially enhancing retail sales in this particular area. If you recall, I mentioned during our presentation, Rain and Park has a great history with the lottery including I think having been one of the number one retail vendors in its past, we'd like to look to that to the future in this partnership as well. And I think you'll see that Rain and Park, the whole, I guess, menu of offers that the lottery has including certainly its vending machines, Kino, its ticket vending machines and really sort of a full partnership offering all of their products. We think that's what customers would like to see. That's what customers have experienced in the past at Rain and Park. And again, we really think it's a great opportunity here. And we look at this to be frank and we're relying on our Caesar's partners for a great deal in this endeavor. But here, this is where we feel we're gonna shoulder that responsibility. And again, we're gonna have a really good story to tell about the lottery partnership. Mr. Leader, I think we haven't seen any dedicated space like that in the other facilities. If we understand correctly, there's actually going to be dedicated space where I'm presuming I think in the application confirmed that there'll be agents to sell scratch tickets on site in addition to the player-activated terminals. Is that right? That's correct, Sharon. That's actually, again, we're replicating something that Rain and Park now offers. It's gonna be a great opportunity. You get a lot more traffic certainly in front of lottery agents. Yeah, I guess we didn't see that when we did our site visit of the temporary space because we only went to the sports raging space. But that makes sense that you have that already at Rain and Park. Yep, that's excellent. Are there questions on community engagement or what's your skin? Just a follow-up on the lottery piece. I'm intrigued by your reference to employing specific positions directed at lottery sales. Could you elaborate a little bit on that? Sure. So we currently have a lottery window at our facility, the simulcast facility, and our customers very much appreciate that the human aspect of having a person to associate with and purchase their lottery tickets from and cash their tickets. So not only is it convenient for them, but they embrace it. And again, it's nice to have that in-person interaction. So we feel it's a very important piece of our business. And we have a captive audience. Yeah. That's in that corner, I think I was just gonna move on the map. Not sure. Sue, is it one or is it two agents that you would just be one individual, right? Always staffing that? One staffing, I'll get three or four. So there's one person staffing, but there'll be multiple positions based on expanded hours. Yep. Great. Other questions regarding community engagement or sections C generally? Community engagement? I guess I should just go back to the construction. I'm not sure really, I don't believe it was redacted, but I wanted to just comment that I thought with Commissioner O'Brien's clarifying question that your description of security is very, very strong with you've got your single point of entry and then the security around that I'm not sure it's public or not. Turning nozzle, but I wanted to comment, I don't believe it was redacted that you will, that security measure that you have at the door. And then you'll also be using retired law enforcement officers as well in your security team. So I thought your security section was very strong and I wanted to recognize that. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, we spent a lot of time working on a plan for that and specifically surrounding the 21 and older. So we won't just have retired law enforcement but by bringing in retired law enforcement to work our security, it brings in a seasoned person who understands de-escalation, understands how to deal with situations that could arise in any type of public venue that serves alcohol. But we'll also be open to obviously bringing in young people to measure them in the security field and do stuff like that. But right now, our plan is to hire majority of retired law enforcement in the security end. And Chair, I'll just add that there are separate there's a separate security plan that's being worked on with the sports wager division, Bruce and his team, obviously separate surveillance plan as well. And I'll know, I think we have three retired members of the state police here at our table as well. So. Excellent. Thank you. All right, anything else on the section C? If not, we'll go through the process of our own assessment, taking your temperature. Does anybody want to start? How do you feel the applicant has managed section C? I'll start by saying, I believe the applicant has met expectation for section C. Commissioner Skinner, I also believe the applicant has met expectations for section C. Commissioner Maynard. I'm in agreement. Okay. Michelle Bryan. Same. And I agree as well. So thank you to the applicant on that. We'll move right along to section D. Chair, just before you jump into that, Mr. Carney just wanted to make a few additional remarks just regarding his family's contribution to the community over the years as well. Yeah. Thank you and good morning, Mr. Carney. Thank you. Hi, I'm Chairman. I appreciate the time to have an opportunity to say a few words. As far as the county family is concerned, I've spent my entire life of 95 years old and we have a great reputation in the area of the Rainham area as well as the city of Brock. Now, there was a question of what do we do for the community? First of all is this, we have scholarships available at Stone Hill College. If anybody wants it, just recall that that's number one. Some people have taken advantage that we still have, it's still available. We have scholarships available at Boston College. Still available. We have a good relationship with Massasite Community College, which we have a great relationship there. And we try to hire people out of there that are looking forward. I'm sure that they're looking forward. They have a great reputation in the city of Brockton and the town of Rainham for hiring people. Sometimes we hire more people than we really need, but if they come looking to me, I'm 95 years old and I never sent the money with the fuel, then the fuel, ah, so anyway, I'd like to leave this world with a good reputation and help in those that need help. I'm not sitting here to tell you what a great guy I am. I think I'm probably the goodest astute businessman. I try to write a good company. We kept Rainham going when we lost dog racing. The company probably lost money for the last 10 years, but we've hired a lot of people. We kept a lot of women working there. They came with us, men there for many, many years. They had nowhere else to go because of their age. And I can sit here and say that if we're given the opportunity to get a license at Rainham, nobody on this commission will be sorry they gave it to us. That's probably the thing, it's just that and I have a great reputation and I'm not gonna let it down at the stage of my life. I appreciate the time and have a word to say here. And if there's any questions anybody wanna ask me personally, I'd be more than happy to answer them. So obviously the thing that's concerned, you've said not playing this company money in June 10th. That's a holiday, not play, possibly be the only white team there, but I've been supporting the people of the minorities for many, many, many years. And that's how the thing is concerned. We don't close the door on anybody. We always ready to go to operation. We don't oversell anything. So they were very strict on the lottery. We were the first lottery in Massachusetts because of my late relationship with Bob Crane. And we used to have the drawings at the right hand dog track when they would try to promote it. We had the first license from the Kino at one of the companies that I own. So we worked very, very well with the state and anything they would try to do. We were at one time, we were the biggest lottery customer, we were the biggest lottery account that the state had. People used to come and buy the tickets because they felt there was so many souls that they had a chance to win it. So I'm gonna close by saying a great reputation, I think that I try to do everything again and my family the same way. If there's any on the commission would like to ask me any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. Because we try to take care of everybody we can. And if anybody comes in desperately needs a job, I never send them away if they need help. It's a great segue. So that's all I can say. When I sit here to brag about myself, I'm a good businessman. I try to run a good operation when I try to help those that need help. If there's any members of the commission wanna ask me any questions, no matter where they come from, I'd be very happy to answer them. No, I think, thank you, Mr. Carney. It's a great segue, I think. Thank you members of the commission and the chair lady for giving me an opportunity to speak. Thank you. Absolutely. I probably should have made that more part of our main presentation on this particular topic, but I think it's a great segue into our next topic as well. So I appreciate the time. Thanks, chair. Right, and I know Mr. Carney will be helping us wrap up when we get to that as well. But I know Mr. Carney, I think that application is strong with respect to evidencing the loyalty of your workforce. In the number of years, the advocates serve us. So we should be commended for that. We'll dive right into it now. Section D, notably in our application, we did decide to stress diversity, equity, and inclusion as a separate part of our application. We're proud of that. And so now we can turn to that in terms of the workforce and supplier span, and then the corporate structure. Who wants to ask the first question? I can start, Madam Chair. Although it's not a question, it's more of a general comment. For me, this section D leads to a lot of the desire, particularly with respect to D1 and D2. And I think that there is at least some implicit acknowledgement that the diversity efforts need some attention in that you have, or intend to, hire a diversity consultant. Very much looking forward to hearing of the results of that. And I want to try to ascertain what opportunities going forward during this process, during your consultant engagement process. This commission has to obtain regular updates on how you have moved forward in this area. Thanks, Commissioner. I'm gonna ask Sue Roderick to jump in in just a minute. And we appreciate your comments on the application. And I think from where we started as a small business without really much change in its hiring over many years, where are we, essentially where we are? What we see though, is an opportunity. And part of what we're talking about and what Sue outlined in her plans is really also in a way, us catching up with some of the regulations that the commission has passed around this space as well. So when we submitted our application, for example, there really were no diversity requirements around construction. So that now is something we understand is part of the construction plan that will be submitted to the commission. And as you referenced, we have hired a diversity consultant to help us develop our affirmative action plan for construction as required under that regulation and applying it to the spending going forward in connection with this particular project. Obviously that'll have two separate buckets that will be overall the diversity of employees on site for that work going forward and then also the vendor spend on that work going forward. And what we're also going to do with the help of our consultant is a similar approach for purposes of our hiring. And again, I think we have an opportunity here Raina Burke does with bringing on an additional 160 employees in order to and have a process by which we look at those jobs, we look at our location, we look at the job market, we come up with what those projected goals can be, bring those back obviously to the commission and then report like all the other licensees in connection with our achievement of those goals going forward in connection with the quarterly reports. So I think part of what you saw in the application originally has been a little bit encompassed by some changes in the commission's regulations as well as a recognition that this is going to be something that requires some outside expertise for the company to achieve and meet the commission's expectations here. And a lot of those details certainly will be included in those plans. And again, we expect that to be an iterative process with the commission and with its staff going forward. And we're happy to talk a little bit more about what we think that can look like and we look forward to I think the opportunity that's before us in order to certainly make this a focus of the hiring and the vendor spend going forward. Has the applicant engaged the consultant at this point or is that still something that is in the works? No, contract signed in place and something that we're getting ready to work. We have not commenced engagement until obviously we know we'll be licensed. There's a significant expense associated with it. So we expect that to happen and them to move quickly once the company is through the licensing process. So what concerns me in that is construction is underway. Design has already happened. There's, I think you and the applicant express the intent to open the facility later this year before the football season commences. I think that's really important work. I think it's commendable that you have engaged a diversity consultant, but I think the opportunity to make an impact in your supplier diversity for instance is now likewise in your workforce diversity with particular respect to racial and ethnic diversity as you're ramping up your operations for I believe you said a September opening. If you have not engaged the consultant and do not plan to engage the consultant until your license is issued, what impact do you hope to achieve? So commissioner, let me address that a couple of different ways. We have engaged our consultant. We have brought that person on board. The development of the specific plans are contingent upon us being licensed. We do and we've talked to them about schedule and needing to meet certain requirements under the commission's regulations that we think are achievable. So I think the timing, I think we are going to be able to manage and I think you rightfully point out sort of the opportunity with vendor spend and with hiring for operations, that piece really hasn't started and that's something that's still several months away. We think that we have the opportunity obviously to both develop that plan and implement it as part of that effort in order to open the facility. It'll be, certainly there'll be some challenges around that but we feel we're in the best position in order to achieve that. The Iran Park is a little bit unique in its application in that it's coming to you, really with the prospect of doing a great deal of hiring which has not started yet for operations. So I think we do have the opportunity to get what are achievable goals for purposes of that workforce development and then implement and then report against it. That's our plan. Similar for operations on the vendor side and this isn't something that we're just starting to think about now. We've been working on it. We noticed a need though for some additional expertise. That's why we brought in folks that are not only familiar with helping develop these plans but then how we report on it going forward as well. So there are different components to what we're gonna get out of our experts as well and construction. We are essentially looking at our, and you'll see in our submission for our construction plan is that what we have started the facility, the facility you've been there it's has been developed up to a certain point and we're looking for, again consistent with the commission's regulations the spend after licensure and what is that going to look like in connection with meeting the commission's goals that it set under 205 CMR 222. And so we will, we are going to plan towards those goals for that spend post licensure and with some expertise. I think we have a real chance to make sure that we satisfy the commission's requirements there. Just, you may be aware, attorney no, so this commission has made development of those diversity goals both on the workforce and supplier spend a condition of licensure and I certainly think that for me anyway I'd be looking for the same thing in this instance with this applicant. And I, we don't have our in-house legal counsel available to us today. Attorney Mackie, I'm not sure how prepared you are to advise us on this particular question but what have we done relative to other licensees when discussing diversity goals as part of the license condition, a license condition? You're talking commissioner about commitments that were made before the award of the license was given? Yeah. I regret I'm probably not the best person to answer that but I think we've been here a little bit and I have that attorney no, so you've been following our savings. I believe and commissioners correctly, the condition I recall might have been with respect to diversity spend and establishing a goal. Commissioner Maynard, you were looking like you're remembering. I don't remember, commissioner Skinner, my condition with respect to workforce development, although I might be wrong. I specifically recall the workforce goals but certainly, you know, don't test my memory on that. We can, we can, I think definitive information but of course, if my colleagues remember specifically I invite them to respond. One of the challenges is that as you point out the deficiency in this area for the applicant, we have not seen that in the prior applicants. And so my memory is it wasn't, most of the topic was dedicated to supplier diversity spend not because we couldn't go in the other area but because there was a more robust answer and plan on that question than this applicant has given us. We're sure some, in terms of workforce development and for supplier spend, we have, and I think we do this currently with our current single licensees, there's an establishment of goals. But, and that's what we'd be looking forward to. And I think that the plan and the application it's as opposed to meeting the goals. You see my distinction that I'm making here go ahead, Commissioner Maynard. I mean, I remember it was a concern for the entire commission but I remember that Commissioner Skinner and I seem to be co-conspirators on asking for some data. And I remember the data being a big cornerstone piece of what we were doing my concern then, and it is now no matter whether we're talking about the workforce or supplier spend is having a bench and a bar, right? Because to me, we can't, if we don't have a bench and a bar then we don't know whether you met the bench and a bar. And I remember saying that those exact words to various applicants a few months ago. In this particular instance, just to start out, I mean, five to 10% and I understand it's very difficult. I understand because we had, in my former job we had a hard time establishing what the current world was because various people give you information on how they identify and then there are various HR ways to identify diversity. So I understand there being variation. I kind of would like that number to be nailed down. If it's 5%, it's 5%, if it's 10%, it's 10% and kind of the logic and the reasoning on how that number is being calculated. So I would start there, but I would join Commissioner Skinner and sounds like Commissioner O'Brien and the other commissioner on saying that it's important to have a goal to establish the goal and then for us to be able to make a determination A is the goal good or not, but B, are you meeting that goal? Six months down the road, a year down the road, five years down the road. And we do that regularly with our check-ins on our other licensees. So I do encourage a goal. I do encourage both on the supplier diversity front and also on the employee front. And I do strongly recommend that the data is nailed down because if you don't know, then you can't improve, right? So that's my comments on this piece that I was going to Commissioner Skinner. So Commissioner Maynard, I may have misread the application but on supplier spin, I believe they did set 10%. I thought we were talking about the workforce at this point. And on the workforce, I think they didn't set goals, but they said what they are right now. And then to Commissioner Scares point, they have a plan to help them improve with intentionality and to establish, but we don't, I don't believe you have a goal on Rainham Park on the workforce. Is that you're reading to Commissioner Skinner and Commissioner Maynard? Commissioner Skinner. I'm reading on the goal, on the going forward, but my concern once again is, there's a significant opportunity to take advantage of diverse suppliers during the construction phase that has already been underway, already underway, excuse me, and has been underway for some time now. And so, I worry about that lost opportunity there. So again, just looking for, really a substantive response from the applicant in terms of how we as a commission reconcile that. So, Commissioner. It's not enough for me, I'm sorry, Attorney Nozzle. It is not enough for me at least to just say wait and see here. So, Commissioner Skinner, can I ask, I don't remember on construction precisely, has, you know, I know that my statute under 23K there's not a mandate. Is there, is there anything that we, that you can offer in addition to the application on construction spend with respect to diversity? Attorney Nozzle. Yeah, I think the answer to that is pretty simple chair. You've passed a regulation that has incorporated standard. So we are now going to have to meet that. And again, we are playing catch-up on construction now. And that partly is that that regulation is new. That was not part of the application. That is something that we are committed to doing, essentially going forward post licensing with the dollars that the commission will count towards our capital contribution. That's the reality of the situation that we are in and I'm confident that we will meet those goals that have been set out in the commission's regulation for purposes of that capital contribution and that spending going forward. So that's the piece on construction. When you look at the two buckets for operations, again, you've got a vendor bucket and you've got workforce. I am not aware of a workforce goal being applied to any sports wagering licensee. We are going to provide those goals. We are going to develop those goals and then we are going to work against them. I think that is consistent with the way the rest of the sports wagering licensees have been evaluated. And for, we do have one set of rules essentially for the category one, two and three licensees when it comes to the requirements for application and the other regulatory requirements. So on workforce, what will happen with Rainham Park is that we will have goals. We're going to work to set those goals in coordination with our consultant. And like all other licensees, we will then report under 205.239 what's required on a quarterly basis regarding our performance against those goals. For purposes of the vendor spend, we will go through an identical essentially exercise creating those goals for vendor spend, which aren't set anywhere in statute, aren't set anywhere in regulation. And then we will report against those goals in our performance consistent with that reporting under 205.239. So I know there's a, I guess a desire for a number today, but we will have a number to commissioner Maynard's perspective. And that number will be set based on an evaluation of the market, evaluation of the types of jobs that we have and an evaluation of the vendor spend and vendor stack that we have. And then we will report against those goals and keep the commission informed as to our performance, I guess in perpetuity under 205.239. That's the plan that we have. I think it's actually more than what the other categories of sports way during licensees are doing and committing to. And we feel that that's the most prudent way for us to proceed here today. And I think what you've heard and what I think the application is trying to get at at the end of the day is what's the commitment to diversity. And I think the plan that we've demonstrated is shows the commitment of diversity going forward for this applicant and how we expect to be judged by that. One observation that I mentioned the other day too is I did commend Mark for his outreach to the greater out of the world and Tom's and Rachel's transit authority. I know that's gonna be a challenge to accomplish but I do think it's going to help you on your workforce especially with what's the new number. It's a big number, right? Thank you, Mr. Skinner, but the added. Is it one? Right. If that's a reality that can be accomplished giving it public transportation opportunities for prospective employees just really going to be critical. So I'm really hopeful for that outage to functionality. Mr. Skinner, follow up on Attorney Nozl's presentation. Really just an internal inquiry for our legal folks. Attorney Mackie I'm sorry, but that's you today. And if we need to pause to get this information I hope the chair will allow us to do that but I'm going to need to understand exactly what conditions we placed on prior on other licensees during the application review process because Attorney Nozl makes an excellent point. We do want to be consistent. And what I'm understanding in Attorney Nozl's presentation is that construction is to be treated differently than goods and services. So vendors, construction vendors or vendors who are providing goods and services in connection with construction are to be treated in a different way than vendors who are providing goods and services as part of ongoing operations. And I'd like that to be confirmed on this side if possible. Attorney Nozl, do you happen to have that Greg? I think you cited it, the construction related, I kind of looked at that so I understand what's in that but I just, I want my direct question to be answered if possible. Are we looking at, and I get it, a vendor who is supplying goods and services in connection with construction, right? I need to understand in my own mind how that's different from a vendor providing goods and services as part of operations other than two different points in time. With respect to the conditions, certainly we will pause before we make any kind of determinations about conditions to make sure there's clarity. We know we have continuing work on this application to do at a later date. So I'll work to find a date by the time that I know that you are here in this. No, but that sounds like a good appropriate way to respond. We can look at the regulatory issue relative to construction which Commissioner Skinner suggested and also confirm what's been done with respect to the other applicants licensees. I think that makes sense. I'm sorry that I can't answer the questions as I'm sitting here, but it makes sense to review them or you carefully. That's fine, it's just fine. Okay, other questions? Commissioner Skinner for turning on some more objects. I'm good for now, Madam Chair, thank you. Okay, commissioners, other questions for the diversity component section D? The one thing I would acknowledge is that workforce is at 43% women, which is a good number. It's also at a high percentage of women who are 55 and older. And as one of them, I appreciate that and acknowledge that again, the stability of workforce said something about the employer. That 43%, we have 75% of those, that 43% of 55% older. And then of course, it's the 5% to 10% that's minority that we understand. There is a plan to grow that and with intentionality, I think, Commissioner Maynard, we've got a lot of experience in demonstrating how that can be effectuated. So, all right, are we prepared to take the temperature of the applicant on this section? Or do we wait to get the information that Commissioner Skinner is seeking? Commissioner Skinner? I'd like to wait, Madam Chair, until we receive that information, please. Everybody comfortable with that? Commissioner? Okay, then we'll roll right over to section E. Bonds for gaming, research, questions on section E. I don't know if I'm in the right section, but I made a note to myself that 175 in the overall app. Let me see if I can find the right one. Let's see, yeah, it starts at 175. 175, okay, so it must open in the section where I'm talking about the responsible gaming policy and corporate social responsibility. You have a reference in here. The facility is using technology materials that will have the least impact on the environment and the residential neighborhood that borders the park. Can you give more specifics in terms of the construction and the environmental mitigation and technologies that you're referring to here? Commissioner, we can. Bob Brooks, who has that answer just stepped out of the room briefly. Okay. Can I, perfect timing. Can I table that question? Yep, sure. Sorry about that. Yep. Okay. I would, Madam Chair, just take a minute to commend the applicant and the partner for being very intentional on the 21 plus side of this understanding that the regulations of the horse wagering side would allow for the 18. And I've noticed in other jurisdictions that this particular partner has chosen to go with the 21 even when an 18 has been allowed. So I would commend that. Thank you, Commissioner. It's already been noted, but I also, my notes felt that the game sense was the buried lead, but you got there and I do want to commend Greenham Hart for having engaged with our division of responsible gaming and direct banal lending along when it was voluntary. And so we appreciate that. And again, I also appreciate the fact that you've indicated continued willingness even with these two work of game sense even in your temporary space. I was wondering when it was ready for any questions on the responsible gaming piece with projects. So Commissioner O'Brien. Well, maybe we take a break briefly right now given that the person who can answer my question stepped away for a moment. Commissioner Bob Brooks is back in the room, but we're having to- Oh, there you go. Yep. So Commissioner, sorry about that. That's okay. I'm sorry, I understand the question regarding- Actually, Commissioner, do you mind repeating the question? Sure. On page 175 of the application, you state that the facility is using technology and materials in developing the new search, the sports wager facility that will have the least impact on the environment as well as the residential neighborhood that borders the park. And I'm interested in hearing more about the environmental mitigation you're doing both in terms of the construction of the facility and then the mitigation on the abutters. Sure. So the construction of the facility, we probably start there. Most of the materials, the waste is used for recycling purposes. So we have containers on site to make sure that debris is separated. It can be recycled to minimize any effect there. As far as the construction goes, we pretty much are in all electric facility now, other than natural gas for the kitchen, which was a big step and a big make, but we did that for environmental impact purposes. All our lighting, especially on the exterior, it exceeds all the light pollution, specs that's not only the town has, the state has with Beeper to ensure that we are not impacting our neighbors in any way. The neighbors surrounding Rainy-Pakarall commercial, we don't have any residential in the immediate areas. So it really just be the commercial impact there, but we're ensuring that all of that is keeping the property to the best of its ability, non-impact to the community. We also have applied and requested through MassDOT to have a traffic signal out on the roadway to minimize traffic impact out there as well when that roadways open up. But until that happens, we will maintain our enforcement details out there to assist with traffic, to minimize any impact on the public. And then as far as our stormwater and all that stuff, we have a force main going out to the public source system, state of the art to protect against any environmental water issues. Does that help address any of your concerns, Commissioner? Yeah, so the application does reference the butters in the residential neighborhoods to the park. Is that on the area, not next to the sports wagering facility, or are you telling me that the butters really are not residential? Correct, I believe that the butters that are residential across the street, their neighborhoods across the street from Route 138, and that would be traffic impact with them. Okay, and light pollution, nothing like that, no, it's just been no... Correct. ...use on that, okay. And I guess my follow-up on this is, I was wondering if there was gonna be more conversation beyond sort of the electric and the versus gas in terms of materials that you're using, sourcing that sort of thing, and or are you searching for a particular lead certification at the end of the project? We are not currently searching for any certification at the end of the project. We are gonna work towards that goal. We have put solar on the shelf for now, but our roof, we've kept most of the equipment completely off the roof for that purpose. So eventually we could move towards solar as well. Okay, I appreciate the candor. I was hoping for something a little more robust in the answer given the shout out in the application, but I hear what you're saying in terms of where you are right now. Thank you. Commissioner's questions on responsible gaming policies, advertising promotional plans, I'm addressing AML, perhaps it's because we're familiar with the Caesars program. And so we're quite familiar with the extensive program that Caesars has used. I certainly appreciate the fact that focus has been for a random part for 60 years, that it should be fun and recreational. And from the history of Random Park, I appreciate that. And as I noted, I appreciate the fact that Game Sense has been incorporated into the Random Park facility. Anything else on responsible gaming and their responsible gaming plan, Commissioner's? I guess the only question I have, I think if you go to page 215, E3, History of Demonstrated Commitment, are we moving on to that? Are we doing E in its entirety or are we walking through one, two, then three? You know what, Commissioner, it's okay to do it in whatever order that we can keep up. So as long as we know the page numbers, that's helpful. 15, go ahead. So there was a reference to a 2011 incident and it could have just been me, but when I tried to pull up that link to an article that would have given more information, it was a dead link. So I'm looking to get the actual details on that. Thanks, Commissioner. I can start and I think some others can sort of fill in. This was something that Random Park had been involved in from leasing space. They had allowed their space to be utilized by a company that promoted charitable poker events. And I'm not sure you may have been in the Attorney General's office at the time. Obviously that was overseen by the Attorney General's office. That company was, let's say, taking a very aggressive interpretation of the charity poker laws and had set up essentially a business by which poker tournaments were run on a very regular basis. They would cycle in public charities and this is just a business model. I'm not suggesting this happened at Random Park. Random Park at some point was identified as a location where this company was going to operate and Bob, you can correct me if I'm wrong or anybody else in the room. I believe that it never went forward after concerns by the Attorney General's office were raised. And that link there, and I'm happy to provide a copy of the article was a Boston Globe article highlighting that company's business practices and the fact that, and I think in a good way, that Random Park had essentially terminated its relationship with that organization. I believe before even any events were held. And it was not something that was unique to Random Park. This was a statewide issue at the time as well. So that's what that disclosure, we weren't sure if that was responsive to this particular question or not, but wanted to make sure that we identified that and certainly it's out in the public record. Does anybody wanna add any additional comments on the board? Yes, I can, because they came to me a lot of the local charities and they wanted to know if this operation, if they could get on the list. There were so many people who were interested and we had nothing to do with it. The people who were running it were running a charity and one of them incidentally happened to be retired from the, he was the lieutenant on the state police and he was also a chairman of the racing commission, the state racing commission and he, and that's where that's all he involved. We had it and we never got involved in who got what or anything else. We had nothing to do with the money whatsoever. We just gave them the opportunity to run this thing for these different public charities and they, whatever they did, we had no, we had nothing to do with it, but people came and, as I understand, that was they and myself not all the time, but I did stop by to see what was going on and it was run by, he was a former chairman of the racing commission and he was a former captain of the, either lieutenant or a captain on the state police and he was running this charitable events and the attorney general had heard discretion, shut it down and that was all there was to it. We had no involvement in other than that. We gave them the up, we gave them the place to use, went off and they didn't pay any rent. Yeah, so just to clarify something I said based on Mr. Kearney, so as soon as the attorney general's office raised a concern that essentially was shut down, no questions asked by Raina Parker. Okay, great. Yeah, if you can get a hard copy or another live link over that would be great. I have a PDF of it, I'll send that over to you. Okay, thank you. Other questions? Nothing further on section E? Madam Chair. What's up? Just clarification from Caesars if you can in regards to the online betting that's taken place in regards to responsible gaming, has it been a pretty good dialogue back and forth with people you've identified or have self-identified when it's come to problem gaming? Is there anything you'd like to share with us? Highlights in regards to helping those who may have been in need of help? Yeah, I'd be happy to speak to that. So overall we've been very pleased with the application of our responsible gaming program into the digital space. I think what the biggest tool that our customers are able to use are the self-limiting or self-restriction options within the application. And our customer service team does a great job of explaining those options that the customer asks so that the customer can kind of make the tweak that they would like to use within their individual profile. That's a kind of feature of the online gaming space that is unique and that we just don't have in our breakable capacity. So I think we've seen a really positive uptick of individuals who use those features in the application to appropriately limit their self-restriction options. And then the ease of using the application to more fully limit oneself on a broader self-exclusion list I think has also benefited our customers. So overall we've been really pleased with how that aspect of our business has been functioning and providing the right services to our customers. So with a brick and mortar operation, it's going to be a little different. I look at the three brick and mortars that we have now where their employees are trained to identify people and then they get them over to Game Sense. And there's quite a partnership that takes place between the workers and the management, IDing some people who may be in need. So any thoughts on what you will be doing for training for your workers in this regard and then the partnership that we hope you will have with Game Sense? Absolutely, and I'll say upfront I'm like 5% of power on my device. So if I change in the middle of this answer, I apologize. In regards to Game Sense, we've been really pleased with their collaboration. We've met with them about how our application works. And I think our next step is to find a way to hand off a customer in real time from a customer service representative or responsible gaming ambassador. And Cesar's directly to Game Sense through the application. So we're going to continue to work with them until we can find the right way to facilitate that process. From an education perspective, we train all of our customer service team members and all of our digital team members on our responsible gaming program. So they're aware of the science to look for according to our responsible gaming program and how to appropriately then escalate a customer if they believe that a customer may have a responsible gaming program. And we were also developing a kind of in-house analytical approach to try and independent from a customer's assertions identify behavior that we think might lead to responsible gaming issue and then provide additional communication or collateral to those individuals. So a number of different ways that we're making sure that our employees are trained they're continuing to work with Game Sense to best facilitate that relationship and customer success. And then also do some independent analysis. And I guess as a follow up to Rainham Park basically the same question. You're going to be having employees now on the floor working and IDing people even though they may be at a food and beverage operation this is going to be new to you folks. And would like to hear your thoughts on how you're going to move forward with responsible gaming. Even though I know it's mostly to do with Caesars in this case, but they're going to be partnering with them. So I think we need to hear from you as well. So Rainham Park already participates in trainings with Game Sense. And as I mentioned before we welcome their participation with us on site. And we feel it's important that all of our employees are trained not just the ticket writers but everybody from top of the house, back of the house everybody responsible gaming it doesn't discriminate. So neither will we in that aspect. Thank you ma'am, Chair. Thank you. Ms. Rogers, I appreciate that clarification because Game Sense program has an award system and a quarter rare at the three casinos. Identify Game Sense folks, identify casino employees who are champions of responsible gaming in Game Sense. It's, I think all of us have noted a wide range of positions that are those champions and they might be someone from environmental services, IT, security and not simply those who are really interacting directly with the patients. So I appreciate that that your training will be fulfilled all across the company. So thank you. All right, any questions on F2, F3? I mean, I'm sorry, E2, E3? Because you have commitment. All right, Ms. Rogers, can I take your temperature on section E? Chair, I think section E meets expectations. Thank you. I agree. Commissioner Hill? I believe the applicant has met expectations for section E. I, as to E, I believe we meet expectations, yes. Okay. And I agree, thank you very much. We'll turn then to section F and our application doesn't require or retail answers or responses to F1 or F2. You certainly have heard from the partners, users on their background on that with respect to its other application. But with respect to technological expertise and reliability, that starts on page, let's just get this straight, F3. Grace, I'm using your bookmarks successfully. 218, I'm out of chair, I believe. 218, questions. If you recall, it's a legacy and a legacy platform that's really emerging off correct. And then Liberty is its platform, fully integrated. Any technical questions? I think I was able to confirm that you do still partner with U.S. integrity though for an additional monitoring. We do. Thank you. Very full, some response in that, to that section. Commissioner, is there any particular questions that you want to ask? Okay. I'm hearing none. I can ask a general question. I mean, again, some of this is deja vu all over again. When reading about these platforms, but I guess I would ask, is Rainham ready to integrate the Caesars platform? You know, it's everything going to be a seamless integration if we move forward. So I'll start commissioner. So we are actually for sports wagering. Rainham Park is going to start with Caesar's platform. So that piece for the temporary space and certainly then going to the, going to the permanent space. You know, where there's no integration. That piece is, you know, essentially one of the major reasons why Rainham Park wanted to partner with Caesars is to take advantage of that platform and expertise. And overall betting experience. The other piece that I'll probably stop before we get to the far into this is then the simulcast piece. And again, with the temporary space, those are going to remain separate. And then that will be moved over and integrated into, I should, I don't even know what the word integrated is the right word, but rather that offering is going to be made right alongside. The sports wagering pieces through both the kiosks and obviously betting windows. So from a customer experience, you'll go to one place in order to place a bet on a simulcast horse race. Or a authorized boarding event. As well. So I'm not sure Dan or anybody on your team wants to talk a little bit more about the. I guess. Again, I don't want to use the term necessarily integration, but how the two systems will be, will work together. Yeah. Happy to take it. So the. What we'll offer on the kiosk and the, and the point of sale terminals and stability to toggle. Between the sports betting platform. And the ability to place a pair of mutual bets through the tote system. And so. The customer on the kiosk or the employee on the terminal will be able to toggle. Between the two. So. Permeatial bet or simulcasting that would go into the national. Permeatial pools. Through a tote provider, which we would. A licensed tote provider, which you would use. And so. The sports bets would obviously go through the, the Liberty, Liberty platform. The accounting on the, we would. Link the accounting on the back end so that we. Are able to. Obviously separate what's per mutual. What's what sports. But also the, so that we have a joint view of the cash. That's expected. Whether it's in. In the, in the till of the teller or in the kiosk. Questions on that. I know with respect to online. The question around accounting was very important. And that's all. Seamless. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see. All right. Other questions on section. I thought it was. Very thorough and appreciated it. And, and I think commissioner remainers point where all is commissioners. You're much better educated. Then when we started this process. Back in November. Correct. So. 2020. So a lack of questions is probably because of the. Well, some. Response. Commissures. Are you prepared. To assess this section or do you have. You want to pause and. Madam chair. I'm more than happy to. Say that this applicant has met expectations for section F. I agree. Okay. Brian. I agree. Same. Okay. And I agree as well. And then we would be moving on to G, but we know that we do have outstanding work to be done. And I see. Attorney hall. Good morning still. Good morning chair. So, uh, I know that we received notice that there's still some outstanding work. Do you want to just. Um, High level update us in good morning. Attorney Kramer. Yes, absolutely. Thank you, chair. Uh, we are underway and there is still more to be done. And I know that. The commission did, um, hear from RSM and she chained last week and we've gotten some more information that it's also under review. So that would apply to, um, G three and then with respect to compliance. And we know that we have outstanding work on suitability. As we started our review of this, we're going to be moving on to the next section. And then we're going to be moving on to the next section. We're going to be moving on to the next section. And that's the final. Excuse me. We know that we have nothing as we started our, our review of this applicant that that's just, uh, We'll have to set this up or. Finalization in a, in a near future date. Commissioners. Does that all make sense to you? I see Commissioner. Brian, you're nodding your head. Mr. Maynard. But your skin. Commissioner. I'll turn back to Attorney Hall with respect to preliminary suitability, financial and anything else that that makes sense. And we'll discuss the right date as things evolve. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Turn back to Attorney Nozlum. Thank you, Chair. We don't have anything additional. We obviously can answer any additional questions that the commission has. You know, we would certainly like to see a next date scheduled as soon as possible. We're obviously put a great deal of work into this. I think it also gives us the best opportunity to meet some of what Commissioner Skinner is concerned with as to the timing of our diversity efforts and starting that process. All of that is really based on receiving the temporary licensure. And we really would appreciate the opportunity to move that piece, the final piece forward at the earliest possible date. Thank you. And that is our intention. So thank you so much. I think that of the General Counsel Grossman and Attorney Mackie, Minister Krieger, we thank you, Dave, for covering today. We'll make sure that any outstanding pieces more could have come up that where we address those. Attorney Nozlum to make sure that we stay right up to date. I think just today that was not outstanding work, but I don't think there was a deliverable from. No, I believe there's some additional work on the staff side in connection with the understanding of other conditions pertaining to diversity goals. And obviously, we remain available to staff for any discussions regarding our project and plans to help facilitate those discussions. So Commissioner Skinner, I just wanted to go back. Is there anything, I know that you had outstanding questions for legal. Is there anything that you wanted from the applicant in addition for additional information that they would need to deliver on? No, Attorney Nozlum, excuse me, Nozlum's recap was accurate. I apologize for the tongue there. Right? So actually, if there's one area, if you could look into whether you are on track for any lead certifications given the construction as it's planned, I would like to get more information on that. Commissioner, we're happy to go back and look at that. But as of right now, I do want to be very transparent with you that that is not something. Right. I know it's not part of the plan and the application presented, but I'm encouraging you to go back and look at where you are. And see where you would fall in those certifications. Happy to do that. I would meet the requirements. Right. Thank you. Any other business then for today? I want to thank Rainham Park, Caesars, Mr. Shapiro, Mr. Hendricks. Thank you for your additional information today. Thank you to IAB for this input. I know we had GLI and RSM available too. Thank you everyone for being available to us as we go through this important assessment. Anything else, commissioners? Now we're not going to adjourn because this is a continuing assessment. So we simply leave the meeting and it will be marked up. Again, we will keep you informed. That you know as well as the timing. We share your sentiment. Okay. So thank you everyone.