 Okay, we'll go ahead and call the August 4th 2022 meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission to order. Can we call the roll please? Okay, so we do have a quorum by the skin of our teeth so move on to approval of the July 7th meeting minutes and I will note that we do have a quorum from that meeting so we can't actually go ahead and act on that Are there any Questions corrections from commissioners? Okay, I have a second Okay Moved by Commissioner Jacobi seconded by Commissioner goon all those in favor Any opposed? None motion carries Meeting minutes are next would be report from the chair I think in particular to review this evening So following that we'll have communications from HBC staff liaison Jennifer Nothing to report. I will I will Just give you a heads up that I we do have a couple of applications that we've received for various act for a few things requiring commission approval, so We will have some action items at upcoming meetings So I'm not sure if they'll be September or October or one of each but stay tuned Any questions for staff? Well at this point open up public invited to be heard For anyone in the audience wish to speak it sounds like my microphone is on from here Good evening Sharon O'Leary co-chair historic eastside neighborhood. I was putting together the newsletter for our neighborhood and Started looking at you know what the city says about historic preservation, and then I went to the historic eastside architectural survey page hopefully to You know with many new people moving to Longmont to educate people where they could go and possibly find out if Their home has already been surveyed That's probably the biggest stepping stone if you want to move towards preservation or to find out if your home Has the potential to be preserved or not So on that web page it talked about this Sturkey site architectural surveys began in 2001 and you know why? because of our neighborhood so We went out and photographed all the homes we did the 50 percent Heavy lifting and the city worked on the grant writing so 21 years ago, and we've not expanded the survey so that makes me a little bit nervous so twice Sarah Levinson and myself and Dido Clark Applied in September for the grants on our own as a neighborhood and we were denied and and Rightfully so just because we don't know the talk. We didn't know how to talk the talk You know and if we had someone guiding us from historic preservation Or if we had someone guiding us from the city We had done the majority of the heavy lifting that we could have gotten the grant and continued surveying our whole neighborhood And that's our goal So what I'd like to do is put out the offer to work with you because as you read on on That web page it says it is this goal that the Historic Preservation Commission Continues to approach the Colorado Historical Society for grants to continue the surveying of historic neighborhoods. I don't think it's been happening so I'm asking to build a partnership and whether it's one member or several members or Someone from the city stepping up again We will do the initial writing and then someone goes in there and punches the holes And we'll take the pictures of the homes for the area that we want and we submit it And I think there's one in September So I'm putting out an olive branch and say let's let's preserve together and then on one more note I'm here. I'm still waiting for a conservation overlay zone on the historical side neighborhood And I truly believe that if you wrote a letter of support That could help elevate if not escalate the potential for that happening when I was on parks board We wrote letters multiple times or got up and talked in front of council and it made a big difference But if you just attend your meetings and you don't communicate outside of casual conversation nothing happens. Thank you Thank you for the comments Seeing no others. We'll go ahead and close the public invited to be heard. I do think we we should have that on our list for staff to Just to Acknowledge the comment about About surveys that that is one of our goals and we do want to make sure that that's happening here. So I Certainly appreciate Solaries offer and I think if Yeah, I think what we're trying to do is get a grant to get a professional to do those surveys but if there's You know to have the support of the neighborhood is is a useful Component so let's make sure we're reaching out and taking advantage Thank you Okay, new business it doesn't appear that we have any So we'll move to prior business and it sounds like we're gonna have a couple of updates on some Outstanding items the first of which is the Dickens barns Latin property What's our what's our update on that? Okay, so on this latent property Dickens barn we are Participating with the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board on Monday evening They are going to be doing their annual tour of various open space projects and that particular property is on their list we've been working with the parks and recreation open space team to Come up with a plan so we continue to work with that property owner We think we're getting pretty darn close to us to a solution that works for everyone That particular site plan for the proposed development is under review as well So I'm the staff planner reviewing that so has I get to do the comprehensive holistic approach on that project so so it's it's I feel like we're making some progress and You know, it's at this point. It's a negotiation process and also determining What is needed, you know, what what the expenditures would be to? Stabilize the property so it could be used for say parks and rec storage type uses as opposed to public occupation uses so We've had our structural engineers take a look at it and the numbers he came back with I think we talked about this last month were Substantially lower than the worst case scenario presented by the applicant. So I feel like we've got we're making some progress on it Okay, thanks and so Glenn reached out to me and let me know about that Meeting that the parks and rec is having which is Monday a little bit before 7 we had hoped that we could also get a Holly Norton commissioned Norton out there because she's got some pretty good experience with the Archaeological aspects of that property. However, it sounds like she's not available. So I will put it out We do have space for one more commissioner any more than that would cause public hearing, you know Public noticing requirements and so on so if if there's anybody here that wants to show up out there at At this Latin property Monday a little before 7 Let us know if not no big deal. I will be there on behalf of the commission Did you already check with? I have not I can certainly throw that out there Otherwise I am available Just probably the least knowledgeable of such things so Right happy to go we can reach out to I think Holly mentioned it at one time we brought it up and yeah, she knows that survey forwards and backwards so We can reach out to her there's not a whole lot of time But if we don't hear yeah, we'll we'll touch base with you Terry So we're gonna be kind of parked out there. They're doing a tour of all their recreation facilities So we have everybody's cell phone number so we can see because they tend to go long But they're their agenda has them out there at about five minutes to seven So yeah, we'll we'll keep that in mind and we can reach out to Gita Okay Okay One thing I did want to mention we did do a follow-up with Gus the structural engineer To say how should we should we dig a little deeper on the structural part of it? And he did recommend that we look at what kind of found Foundation exists or does not exist by underneath some of the major post in the barn So we're gonna talk to public works of what that would take to kind of unearth around those posts to take a look at them, but That was really his biggest concern in addition to what you read in the his report so And I think as Jennifer mentioned, I think we can ultimately Get to a point where we could find that money in order to make that thing stand So a big part of it's gonna be kind of convincing parks and rec board It does come with a considerable amount what I think is pretty important open space there So, yeah, I think it'll be important the meeting on Monday Thanks questions well, I Could just offer that I do know the history of Mary Dickens fairly well if that would help but In just determining this I don't know how much the historic aspect is important to parks and rec and how much is just the open space But again, if you'd like to go Terry, that's fine, too. I Have a question. How how much of the land are we looking at possibly acquiring is it just the barn? There's a fair amount of that parcel that is not usable Including where the sheds are falling down going down to the creek and whatnot is a city going to try to acquire all of that Do you know is it premature to say at this point? Yeah, it's premature I think at one point they did offer all of it to us, but there was some concern about what kind of maintenance Responsibility we take on so That hasn't been answered yet They are interested as if we do take on the barn. We would like frontage So there is a portion that goes out to Latin Drive and that would at a minimum be probably included But we'll see right now. They are already agreed to about two and a half acres and this is like another two and a half acres, so Yeah, it's to be determined I think Because yeah, if you had more space you'd have more flexibility as far as usage certainly the barn storage But if you were ever to expand the open space for more recreation, obviously, yeah, yeah Right. There is a trail. So it would give us more flexibility to do something with the trail So thank you and a lot of it's in a flood plain. So that's the other fun part Any other questions? All right. Well, thanks for the update and we'll see what happens on Monday Okay, the 8b would be an update on the historic preservation plan and surveys Unfortunately, Brian wasn't able to make it this evening, but Brian and I and Jennifer met with Jenny Dykeman with History Colorado to talk about the non-competitive grant for we specifically asked for Survey help and a survey plan We got a pretty good positive Input from them again. It's non-competitive. So if we make a good application We should get it. So that is our goal to move forward on that The other part of the question was a preservation plan and Brian provided a number of those to you I think you liked Lafayette's I Think what would make sense is maybe do that survey plan and I think that will help point us at what? The priorities would be so do we need somebody else to kind of draft what a preservation plan would show? I kind of like to wait and see of how much information we get from the survey plan But we do have We do have funding for that as well. So if that's the next step we could certainly do that but I mean one of the comments Jenny made to us is she's seen a lot of those She says they they tend to all sound the same after a while, I think everybody has the same goals and puts them into a preservation plan similarly, so I Was thinking, you know, maybe it's more of a you know a stark preservation work plan Going forward once we know what the survey plan identifies for us. So That's kind of our initial thinking but I think our goal is to get that application in and It's not time-based. So I think they review it as they get them And they'll certainly give us input along the way as well So what do you think a timeline might be that you think we could have it submitted before the next HPC meeting? The request I think that's possible. We were talking about early falls. So yeah, yeah That'll be early right about there. Okay. Yeah Well, that would be great if we can do that and Yeah, any other any questions from commissioners about either the survey or historic I Mean that feels reasonable to me the part of the part of the our desire to do the survey plan was to to get a sense of All of the areas in town, you know, the the gaps in areas that were familiar with but also getting a sense of These outskirt areas like this flattened property that might be overlooked and really get a comprehensive notion of everything in the city limits that could benefit from that attention so I You know, it makes sense that that would sort of flow into a skeleton outline of How a preservation plan would get put together. Yeah. Yeah, and just kind of discussing amongst staff I guess we were thinking Well, maybe focus in the original town site and the existing historic districts, but maybe more of a like me I tend to call them like a windshield survey outside the whole community. So if they see some Something pops out and they say then maybe dig into those a little bit In a little bit more detail. So we get a good comprehensive view of not only potential districts, but Yeah, new landmarks Great. All right. Thank you So then last update would be status of sorry, oh I never say anything. So that's not your fault. I just wanted to remind you that a historic east side neighborhood Association association would be there to help as well. And yeah, all these little barns Sorry, I didn't see that crop up here. It's kind of bear half berries it in here So just just wave at me It's a tough system even for just four of us. Yeah, yeah Okay, so then HPC code amendments. So where where are we at with those? Open week or getting those here to review Sooner than later, right? Yes. Now next step is council has Scheduled just recently a joint meeting with historic preservation. Hopefully you can be there. It's August 16th It's a pre-meeting before the regular city council meeting or maybe it's a work session It starts at 530 The pre-meeting will be in the same room that we did the exec meeting so you can all be sitting at the table You know looking eye-to-eye. It's a little bit better perspective and in Realizing that we both had I mean with the council's had an executive session and the Historic Preservation Commission's had an executive session And you're still bound by the confidentiality of what we discussed there I think What I was hoping this evening maybe take a step back because the timing for me has been a little odd and that I kind of came in halfway we lost Jade and I was kind of a real red-line draft was kind of dropped in my Lap and it may be spun a little bit out of control So I think if it would really be helpful for me is if you can maybe take a step back and say what were your really true goals When you started this process, what were those burning issues? To make sure we don't lose that and in all the other smoke and haze That's going on so and hopefully we kind of use that as a a guide with the City Council and then they'll ultimately Give us all direction. I guess of where they wanted to go So I thought that might be helpful this evening is as far as go back in your memory What were the real concerns with the current code and? And maybe keep though we'll keep those kind of in the forefront Sure, thanks. I can tell you because I've been on this Commission long enough that I know that the initial impetus was in part a response to and I think it was a 90s era move where all of the review for demolition permits got pulled out of the HPC by a city council who didn't want to have any of that In it outside of their purview So there's a lot of politics around that Particular move and Brian throw up to speed on that. I think he's the one who kind of gave us the whole outline So so some of that was just trying to bring the process back into To this commission which seemed like it made sense for demolition permits in Historic neighborhoods and landmarks to be to be brought in and then there's some more subtleties there about You know how much how much purview we have right and I think some of those were discussed at that executive session, right? Right that that was that was a big piece right just trying to get a review of any property that Might be Have a historic value to have Some mechanism to bring that in front of this commission in order to have another step Protection for said property, right? That was that was a big goal I'll open it up to any other comments Go ahead It actually started before my time as well. So when when I arrived you had the red line Yeah, so that that red line version was in I guess my first term Which was sort of you know, the whole pre-covid thing and Then we were just we were looking at that and we were looking at other Demolition ordinances that other Cities had and then trying to suggest that we have a little more teeth in the demolition ordinance you know, for example, if somebody just go heads and and demolishes without You know any kind of permission that the penalties for that here currently are pretty mild They're almost nothing and so trying to discourage that from happening Essentially just really putting in some safeguards as much as we can And then it sort of expanded beyond that into a few other Areas that we started thinking about tweaking The our code because it just seemed either out of date or not aligned with some of the other city's Codes in terms of you know, how somebody might Establish a district, you know, if there were enough people that wanted to to try to make another district in town What what what that would what that process would look like There were some notions about demolition by neglect that's you know, that's probably another thing And we've seen that right in potentially in this is Latin property about well Somebody comes in says well, you know the properties Falling apart. Well, you've owned it for 20 years and you haven't maintained it And so that's not really a mechanism for getting around the demolition ordinance, right? really high focus on trying to preserve the historic properties that we have and Put some safeguards in I mean, I think that's definitely the by far the overarching That's goal number one one a one be Yeah You know some other stuff that happens All right, I did sense that through our discussions But I do realize that we had that red line draft and Then we turned it over to our attorney and we never really came back to you with it And I think Terry was explained to me so we never really had a chance of saying This makes sense. This doesn't make sense. So I thought yeah, it's probably my fault that We didn't come back to you that kind of distill it down to what those big issues are but Hope to do that here real soon next couple of weeks Yeah, and I know there have been hiccups with just town attorneys and There've been a number of hiccups along the way to get here, but yeah, that's Trying to think if there's anything else that was Even reasonably high importance in there. I think that's really those are the big big pieces, right? Okay, and the rest of it. I think was just sort of cleaning up While we're in there stuff. Yeah, okay All right. Well, yeah, and we'll definitely get the word out to the commissioners who aren't here, but That's Tuesday night August 16th 5 30 in the the room where we met in exec So it is open to the public. We can't fit all the public in there, but they do Set up they turn these monitors on so people can sit and watch But it's typically like a work session. So they won't take questions from the public. It's just amongst you All right, excellent Wonderful. Thank you. Any other questions about that door? Okay, all right, and then from there, I hope to start bringing forward red lines. Okay, great Excellent, okay. Well that moves us to comments from HPC commissioners Anyone like to make it? Okay? We'll close that out comments from city council representative Councilman Rodriguez is not with us tonight. So it moves us to adjournment, but unfortunately we did not get the sub half hour Sorry Do I have a motion to adjourn? Okay All right moved by commissioner goon and seconded by commissioner coat to Kobe all those in favor I Posed none. We are adjourned. Thank you for your time. Thank you. It's a staff and We'll see you on this. Well, see some of you on Monday and others on the 16th