 The idea for him to say that he wasn't an applicant, that he understood that the President was looking for somebody outside of New York City. He wanted somebody in the West that had some judicious experience. Let me go back over that. Wanted somebody outside of New York City. Yeah, for the securities. That's right. That's right. And he wanted to prepare someone from the West. And somebody from the West. And he wanted someone that had legislative experience, and judicial experience, and a good legal background. And that he didn't know anything about it until FBI started investigating and FBI made a very thorough check. Now I've got the FBI report in front of me and it's a perfect report, not one critical thing. Now, let me tell you, Frank Church says, write this down, I just, this is confidential but you can use it. Frank Church says, he's known Budge for many years, they're on opposite sides of the fence, but Budge enjoys, quote, an excellent reputation, the state of Idaho. He has never heard anything of a derogatory nature concerning his character, his loyalty, or his associate. That's right. Now, Jordan is a Republican Senator, I've never talked to him, but he says the same thing, I won't go over it. Harding says, he's one of those little son bitches stirred up a lot of this, that he has known Budge since 16 when he defeated him in the election of the office, that although he disagrees with Budge as far as their political beliefs concern, he considers Mr. Budge a personal friend who is an exceptionally fine man. He stated that Mr. Budge's integrity, character, reputation, loyalty, and associates are above question, and he recommended him for a position of trust and responsibility. Now that's the man to defeat him. That's an I White. He said that he does not know him, but by reputation, and he is a high-type professional man of an excellent personal habit. Then Frank Bow, then Errol B. Smith, Justice, John Rhodes, William Springer, Tick Forster, William Tuft, John B. Williams, 13 other associates, all of these advise that he's a loyal American whose character, reputation, and associates are above question. He was acquainted with the other members of his family, advised they're all reputable persons. He was described as a very capable individual, a very solid citizen. They recommended him for a position of trust and confidence. Now, I think he can very well say that he doesn't know anything about this back-stuff maneuvering they're talking about. First he knows about was, the president had this FBI made, he wasn't an applicant for anything, he was on the bench doing his job, and the president called him into his office and said that he wanted a man that had legislative experience, served in the service, and had judicial experience, and asked him if he'd accept the job. And he said, well, if the president wanted him to, he'd do it, and that's all this. I'll take yourself clear out of it. Well, that's what I, I'm not going to ask you, I, that doesn't make a difference, but I think any senators you can talk to, y'all do it. I've called John Sparkman, he told me he'd already talked to you, but he's going to help us. You know something I just called him, because he and I are friends. Yeah, he's a good man, and he's your friend, and he's going to help. And I told Walter Jenkins to call some of the rest of them, but that's a pretty liberal committee. Douglas and Foxmyre, and it's the same group that gave me him. I kept him as long as Missouri. Well, Walter's calling him now, and calling Willis-Robertson too, and you ought to see it's your Republicans there. I called Erickson. I went over to the FBI to report with Erickson, and he's, he's strong for him. So let's don't let him hurt the boy. They tried to hurt John Connolly, you know, and he's like that Navy, they tried to butcher him up. They can't do it. All right. Mr. President. Yes, sir. Could I just ask you? Yes, sir. We're going to get your civil rights bill. Good. So you can sign it on July 4th. But let us get away July 2 and 3. Well, if you get some of those things passed out there anyway. We can't not wait for this. I don't know what you're talking about, but you say to me, do the poverty bill. You can't get that room. You can't possibly do it. Why don't you meet with your people in the morning? And give us Republicans a kind of a generous sort of a thing. We got 17 boys on that Resolutions Committee. We got Mel Lerge, the chairman. We got Charlie Goodell in New York. God, he's been in your corner more times than you can shake a stick at. And we got Glenn Lipscomb of California is helping him. And I got to go out there. I got to go out there. Clark Spine's got to go out there, Mr. President. Don't barrel these people to keep us here that week. Well, Charlie, you know when they let us get out the day before the convention. I don't want to keep you. I'd love them to all go out. And the only thing you got to do is just go on and act on these things you got. Now, you know what you ought to do. What do you mean? Well, I mean, I don't know. We got 31 proposals at one house or the other. I understand. Now, wait a minute, Mr. President. I appreciate your calling. And I don't want to detain you because you're a damn sight more important than I. But let me just tell you this, my friend. We get your civil rights bill passed. And you can't do it without us. Understand? You sign that up July 4th. Give us the next two weeks off in the house. I'm not talking about the Senate. For our convention. We got 17 guys on that Resolutions Committee. You can't pass anything that next week. I'll guarantee you can't. Well, Charlie, why don't you let us go on? Why don't you let us pick these things up? Not the majority decided. Well, I'll let you. Now, God damn it, Mr. President. I'll do a few of those things. But you ain't going to carry any favor with me. It might as well be blunt about it. Making us stay here when we got 20, 30 guys from the house wanting to go to our convention. What are you going to take up a week before our convention? I'd like to take up every one of these 31 that we need to pay. Well, we got four weeks between our convention and yours. If you want to keep the rules committee in session, that's okay. And as far as I'm concerned, I think a lot of these things ought to be voted on, Mr. President. But I'm telling you right now, when you... I tell you, I'm going to be a little tough to get along with. If you keep us right here, and you've got a lot of guys on your side going to be tough to get along with on the house side. Well, Charlie, don't you think I ought to try to get my program passed? Yes, you do. But I don't think... You're in my place. If you're in my place and you had a house that meets on Tuesday and Wednesday. You're not going to do it a week after the 4th of July. And ahead of our convention. I don't think you are. And I was about to call you, Mr. President. Well, do it between now and the 4th of July. Get these things passed. You ought to hold up my poverty bill. That's a good bill. There's no reason why you ought to keep a majority from beating it. You can beat it, go on and beat it, but you ought to hold it up. You ought to give me a fair shake and give me a chance to vote on it. I've got it in my budget. I cut my budget a billion under last year. Wait a minute. Let me talk to you in just a minute. We want the civil rights bill through. You want the tax bill through, and I helped you do it. And God damn it, did I help you in civil rights? Yeah, you sure did. You helped Kennedy. Kennedy didn't help you. Now wait just a minute, my friend. When you help yourself, of course you don't want civil rights. We do. I believe it's a nonpartisan bill. I don't think it's a Johnson bill. No, no, no. You're going to get all the political matters. We aren't going to get into your dam. No, no. Wait just a minute. Now we've got a lot of things in that bill. But I don't know what the hell the Senate put in there. Maybe we ought to kind of take a little look at it. Well, maybe you ought to. I'm not saying that you ought to. Now wait a minute, Mr. President. I'm just looking at it hard for it. And once in a while I can get hard for it. Well, you wouldn't want to go to your convention without civil rights, though, would you? You know, as a matter of fact, if you scratch me very deep, Mr. President. I wouldn't scratch you at all, because I want to pet you. Wait just a minute. If I had my way, I'd let you folks be fussing with that God damn thing before your convention instead of ours. But I am perfectly willing to give you the right to sign that thing on July 4. Now, I think you're taking advantage of an Independence Day thing that ain't right. But that's not for me to say. I don't know what you're talking about. You want to sign this, uh... I haven't heard anything about that. I haven't said... On July 4, well, the papers have been full of... I haven't said a word about it. Nobody's asked me anything about it. And I'll tell you something. If you sign it that day, I ain't going to be there. Because I'm going. I'm going. Mr. President, I wish you what you'd do. And God knows I'd... Look, you got a tax bill, you got a civil rights bill, you got a hell of a lot of other things coming along. Don't press us too, God damn. I'll do just about anything I can for you. Well, go on and report my poverty bill. Quit holding it up in that damn workscreen. We'll get that. They had that all debated. They've debated it. They delayed it. If you try to shove that... I'm not trying to shove it. Well, I've been trying for six months to even get a vote on it. They held it up over there. I never saw such a spectacle. Every man, they were bitter and mean and vicious. And in the labor committee. And then they got it over there. Let's just go back over a little bit. You've got a great important thing called the civil rights bill. With a hell of a lot of far-reaching amendments. I'm sorry I'm pulling you up this much, but I'm just going to do it. A hell of a lot of amendments. You want me to buy those without any chance in the house to look them over. Well, Mr. President, I guess maybe I'll do it. But, Jesus Christ, don't push me too far. Now give me a little chance. I haven't pushed you at all, my friend. I haven't even discussed it with you. Never. Well, look, no, no. I haven't even discussed it with them. I just let you all run your own show. Look, Mr. President, let me go back over. I was discussing something else. I wasn't talking about that. No, I sure don't want to, Charlie. I won't be. No, Adam, I want to pass the civil rights bill. And let me tell you what I want to do. I want to pass. I'm going to help you do it. The civil rights bill has passed the Senate. Understand? You give me a rule on my poverty bill. Let me vote on that. No, wait just a minute. I'll give you a rule in due time. But don't press me. I'm not pressing you any more than you're pressing me, my friend. I'm just making a statement, please. I'm telling you about things I managed to do, Adam, and you want to, I think, be helpful. All right, in due time, I'll give you a... Okay. ...but if you need me here, I got a deal. Well, my dear Charlie, I don't want to sure enough try to get it acted on the Senate, and they don't want to go into working on the bill and the hearings until we act on the House. And you could do that. You could let me have that rule tomorrow if you wanted to. Just that I looked at your old Senate hand. Yeah, an old House hand, too. Wait a minute, wait a minute. An old Halick man. All right, and you're a Halick man, and I'm a chance... Give me a little rule up there in the morning. I'm not glad you called me in because, my friend, I just wish I was right there with you. Well, we'll get to go this week. We'll get to go this week. Mr. President. Jesus. I called you this week with... Wait a minute. Us guys in the House have carried the heart for you. Well, you call them up and tell them I've got it over in the Senate, you see. Wait just a minute. I'm going to give you any rule in the God damn poverty bill until I know what the hell we're doing. Well, what can I tell you? How can I tell you what we're doing? I'll tell you anything I know. I'll call you any day this week. Get you free and we'll sit down and talk together. Okay.