 Thank you, dear Parker. Roger started using it and he can't stop you. I know you see more about one time and then it got and then like five years later was still there. It's like I stopped using it after the year ended up too bad. You know, it was so weird because who are the people that made the zip drive in the jazz drive? I Omega. Yeah. They made a not them. No, no. Was it them? The one that they had a video capture product that I really liked. I'm trying to remember the company. They wanted to use a quote from me on the show, but legal said no. It's like, oh, I could have had no money in my name on a box. Yeah, see, that made made some licensing money, letting people use quotes and stuff, which I always thought was like, I guess because it's marketing material, it's not fair use. But I'm like, it's public information to say someone said this. I remember when they used an audiophile, Aliyah Maklum. Remember, he really liked that movie or didn't really like it, but he said like the move that dragon movie, Breath of Fire, not Breath of Fire. Yeah, I don't remember that one. It was just like a roller coaster ride and like there were no positive reviews from any one. So they just put that like on the marketing material. They make roller coaster ride. Except the quote was a roller coaster ride would be more fun. It needs to go on the side of a bus. Can't use too many words. A broken roller coaster ride would be more fun than this game. This is a roller coaster ride of tropes at cliches. Yeah. So Friday, we're going to shake off the CES blues recoup over the weekend. Come back strong on Monday. Looking forward to blues. I've got the CES blues. Got a real bad. Now I feel like I'm not seen one too many eight KTVs that were bad. What's with the impossible burger beyond meat? Yeah, we only got to eat beyond meat. We didn't eat the impossible burger beyond meat. That's why I'm not joking. We did. I know, I believe it. It just sounds like something from some sort of I have not eaten an impossible burger and I've heard from meat lovers that it's really close to the real thing. And like we talked about on the show, I think it was yesterday. The beyond meat burger was pretty good. Yeah, I don't eat meat. I go beyond meat. Not fully convinced of you. Yeah, I would like to, yeah, side by side. I'd like to. I think the impossible burger should be sued, of course, because it is, in fact, possible. Yes, that's right. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to eat it. If they call it the implausible burger. That one, that one, I'd let that one slide. I can't put this into my gullet. What's going on? Man, that beyond beef. So it's right in front of me on this plate. That beyond beef is good. I do not seem to put this into my mouth. You, I mean, Roger and Tom probably more beef enthusiasts than me loved the beyond meat. That's not your exaggeration. We didn't love it. We were just eight, three, eight. Surprised. I was super hungry. I liked it. I liked it. I thought it was fine. They love it. I'm not sure if I'm ready for that kind of commitment, Sarah. Burger announced by Dean Kane, like it's beyond meat. Go beyond meat by this. My career needs a boost. All right, Roger. Are you ready for us to begin the recording? Yes. Excellent. Excellent. Is everyone else ready for us to begin the recording? Yes. One punchy Friday, but yes. I was born ready. OK, small Patrick. I think they're about the same size. No, the voice was small. Oh, Kevin. OK, here we go. And three, two. Kevin Schneider has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Kevin, become a DTS member at patreon.com slash D T N S. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, January 11th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane in my Midwest Art Cave. I'm Len Peralta. I got excited from Studio Snubs. I'm Shannon Morse and I am the show's producer somewhere in LA. Who are you? My name is oh, oh, name. My name is Roger talking at all. You can tell it's the end of CES week. Yeah, it is. My brain was left in Vegas right next to that 12 range. You're the listener. We're going to tell you a lot of good tech news today as well as give you our takeaways on CES, kind of wrap up our CES coverage with with the things that left the impression on us. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Ford is closing its chariot on demand bus business as of February 1st. A lot of friends of mine in San Francisco are pretty bummed about this. Chariot launched in 2014 in San Francisco and used algorithms to develop routes based on customer demand. Trips cost around four dollars. Ford acquired the service in 2016. So your chariot no longer awaits. Oh, Bungie announced Thursday that it is ending its contract with Activision Blizzard and retaining the rights to its destiny video games franchise. Bungie says that it will publish destiny on its own while Activision focuses on its own IP projects. The two companies partnered in 2010, releasing Destiny in 2014 and Destiny 2 in 2017, both of which are amazing video games, by the way. Yeah. And so Bungie publishing it itself was its destiny. Yeah, that's his child. Oh, yeah, that's good. And the parents are divorcing AT&T said it will stop selling access to customer location data entirely in the wake of that mother board report showing such data can end up being misused. We talked about that Wednesday on the show. AT&T says all agreements will be terminated by March. T-Mobile also said it will end all location aggregator sales in March. And Verizon is winding down its remaining agreements, which are all with roadside assistance services. They didn't have any with the shadier aspects, but they're just going to end all of theirs as well. Speaking of discontinuing things, Google has discontinued the Chromecast audio device. However, Google says it will continue to offer assistance for Chromecast audio devices. Yeah, so you won't be cut off from support, but you can't buy it. And Video Land put up a counter at its booth at CES to document its passing of three billion downloads of VLC on Friday. Video Land told Variety that it will implement AirPlay on its apps, which would make it possible to cast video from an Android device to an Apple TV or an AirPlay enabled television, which we had plenty of announced at CES. Video Land also demonstrated some enhanced support for VR headsets with minimal lines of code added. They did some reverse engineering and says it is looking to build out a more complete media library for VLC in order to make it simple to switch from iTunes. They say we're not going to try to complete with Kodi and Plex. We're just going to make it make a little media library situation. It'll make it a little easier. All right, let's talk a little more about not discontinuing Shannon, but declining of a market. Yes, IDC reported shipments of traditional PCs fell 3.7 percent in Q4 over last year. It was the largest decline since Q3 of 2016. PC sales were down on the on the year, 0.4 percent. As a result, IDC attributed the decline to processor shortages and uncertainties around the US-China trade dispute. Gardner, which reported similar declines, expects demand to improve in 2019, as CPUs become more available. Lenovo is now the top PC maker worldwide with 24 percent market share ahead of HP's 23.6 percent and Dell's 16.5 percent. Apple is in fourth place at 7.2 percent. Worldwide, which is actually not that bad, although they used to be a little bit higher on the list, I think. Still, those are your four PC makers weathering the storm worldwide. And they're hanging in there. But you may have if you haven't been following this closely, you may think, well, yeah, PC markets been in decline forever. What's the big news? It had started to recover in 2016. It kind of hit its level and then was started to rise back up. So this this chip manufacturing issue is really the thing that hit it, especially in a holiday quarter, when pretty much everything should sell better or at least stay flat. So to have a decline in the holiday quarter is pretty bad. But Gardner seems to think it's mostly about the chip sales. IDC gives a little more credence to the the uncertainty around trade relations to it, but both of these companies think that we probably will see some stabilization as these matters get resolved in the coming year. Poland has arrested two individuals on charges of spying for China. Wang Weijing, also called Stanislaw Wang, works as head of sales at Huawei and was an attaché at the Chinese Embassy in Poland from 2006 through 2011. Stanislaw Zeran, a spokesperson for Poland's internal security agency or ISA, told Reuters that Mr. Wang's arrest, quote, doesn't have anything to do with the company he works for, end quote. The other is a Polish man named as Piotr D. Piotr, like Peter Piotr, Piotr D, who works for French Telecom Orange and previously worked for our P-Land's internal security agency. Poland's internal security agency. Yeah. I like P-Land, Tom. Yeah, I mean, I think that's fine. If Polish people are OK with that, let us know. Feedback at DailyTechnica.com. So it seems pretty hip to me. Reason I wanted to talk about this is you're going to see a lot of headlines that really focus on the fact that Huawei's CFO is still subject to extradition from Canada to the US on charges of violating sanctions around Iran. This does not seem to be related to that. That's why I took this BBC quote from Poland's internal security agency, particularly because I don't see it being reported in a lot of other places. And I think that's important to note that while we're not trying to exonerate Huawei of anything or go one way or another, it is important to note that not everything that an employee of Huawei does is part of the other things that Huawei is under investigation for. This seems to be totally unrelated to the tech world. I think it's just two people who were put in place to do some spying for China. And I don't know if there's all kinds of other speculation you could have about that. But but I'm not I'm not sure this really bears on the Huawei situation is what I'm saying. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation currently going on with the Huawei information, especially from the standpoint of Westerners in the US. So this is it's kind of going along with following along with what's currently happening with Huawei and seeing how it turns out. So we'll we'll keep updated on it for sure. It's it's going to be almost impossible for every human being on earth, not to try to put those two stories together. Yeah, absolutely. There's no evidence that they are. It's coincidence and it's correlation, maybe not necessarily any causal link. A study from the Center for the Governance of AI and Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute has found that people in the US generally support regulation for artificial intelligence and have some mixed feelings about the development of AI. So on supporting development, 41% support development, while 28% neither support or oppose it, 22% actively oppose it at some level and 10% just don't know. So I mean, out of these four categories, more people support it than not. But a lot of people just aren't sure whether they support it or not or don't know. Which honestly, I think that's the rational reaction at this point is, you know what, we need to see what's really going on here first. That would be a headline. Most people have rational reaction to question. 34% of people in the United States believe that AI will be bad for humanity, while 26% think it will be good. So more people think it'll be bad than good. But again, 21% are neutral. They're like, I'm not sure one way or the other. And 18% are like, I just don't know. I don't know if it'll be bad or good. Again, more people holding off like, let's wait for more data. The study shows that most people believe that the issues around AI that are most important are data privacy and security. A university researchers in the US military top the list of who people trust to build AI. They're like, OK, if researchers are doing it, I'm pretty OK with the military doing it. Tech companies were third on the list. And then after that, they're like, most people didn't trust it. The pricing. It's interesting that there is such a big group of people saying, we understand what's going on and we just have no opinion. The don't know people I get. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's dangerous. I have no idea. But but but the sort of like, I have no opinion, folks, probably are part of that don't know category. Yeah. No, that's a good question. Right. Is it that they they just didn't want to appear dumb on the survey? So they said, don't know. Right. Or is it that they're like, no, I know what's going on. But I haven't made my decision yet. I'm still still waiting to find out. That's kind of what I would say. I would say neither good nor bad. I think it's too early to tell. I think it's too early to tell as well. And I am in agreement that the biggest issues or concerns that I have are privacy and security. But I don't look at AI as being a bad thing. So I guess I would be in that lesser percentage of people. I think we we have a lot of negative connotations towards AI because of what we've been ingrained to think based on what we've seen from like Hollywood for the longest time when in actuality we're seeing some really good concepts come out of it, which I'll mention even a couple of interesting ways in our CES takeaways. So I think that it might be a good thing, but we're going to have to keep an eye on it and make sure that it's not taken advantage of to, you know, to lessen our privacy that we should have as individuals. That's a really good point. I might answer the development question as, yes, I think we should develop it, but I would answer the good or bad as, well, that's all going to depend on how we use it. The AI itself isn't good or bad. It's it's what we do with it. That's a good or bad. Well, let's let's let's find out a little bit about facial analysis. Yes, let's. Genomics AI company FDNA has developed a facial image analysis framework called Deep Gestalt that can diagnose some genetic conditions based on facial images at a higher accuracy rate than doctors. In tests to identify and hopefully I say this correctly, Cornelia Day-Lang Syndrome and Angelman Syndrome, Deep Gestalt achieved 90 percent accuracy while doctors were between 70 to 75 percent. It also achieved 90 percent accuracy diagnosing hundreds of images containing 216 different disorders. FDNA published a peer-reviewed study on their technology in nature medicine. You know, at CES, we ran into several companies who were like, we can figure out what kind of skin you have based on this photo of you. You kind of go like, OK, I'm either into this or not. But something like this is it's like magic to me. The fact that you can look at a photo and be able to help diagnose somebody who might have a medical condition. Well, and some medical conditions, if you think about them, are obvious through facial recognition. Something like Down syndrome has has a pattern that even the layman can say, oh, OK, I can I can see that I can see why why that exists. So going from there, I think the way this works, apparently, is they chop up the the facial images into a bunch of of different little pieces, basically. And then they analyze them. And it's the typical machine learning system of saying, all right, well, let's let's actually go ahead and and and and and look at whether these little markers that we note match the ones that we've been told are actually markers of this. And that's how machine learning works. It keeps going through that and keeps going through that until it gets really good at it. It's a beautiful concept because people are constantly being misdiagnosed for things, especially when it's a hidden condition that you can't necessarily that you have to go into a doctor and describe to them. They can't necessarily see it straight at your face. So having something that could use technology to be able to help determine what the issue is can can really, really help a lot of people not get misdiagnosed in the future. And a lot of these diagnostic tools are assistant tools. We're not saying we need to replace doctors. But again, this can can tell a doctor, hey, this is likely to be someone who suffers from this condition. And then that doctor can make a more in-depth examination and look for other things that they might not have looked at otherwise. You know, so if this diagnosis says, hey, I think this person has Cornelia DeLang syndrome, then the doctor will take the time to look for other signs that the doctor wouldn't have bothered to look for if they didn't see any other sign of it. Absolutely. Yeah. Better use of skills as a doctor. What's that? Better use of skills as a doctor. Yeah, right. And it helps better use of time, too, I think. That too. More than 80 TLS certificates for dot gov websites in the United States have expired during the US government shutdown. Netcraft.com has a great article going into what this means. But with these certificates expired, some sites will be insecure because you don't have a security certificate to rely on anymore. And some are inaccessible because they take part in a privacy or a security program that if the security certificate goes out of date, they don't load the site because they don't want to load an insecure version of the site. Sites affected include NASA, the US Department of Justice and the US Court of Appeals. Yeah, this is a pretty big concern from my security and privacy standpoint. There's two different types. There's the HSTS, which is the HTTP strict transport security, which you'll still see HTTPS, but you can't see necessarily from a consumer standpoint if somebody has implemented that. But those websites are completely down because they implemented HSTS. The ones that you can still access are ones that have HTTPS, but they did not implement HSTS on their TLS certificates. Those ones will just be bypassed and you can still go to them via HTTP. But of course, you definitely should not be logging in, especially if you're on public Wi-Fi or if there's any way that you could potentially be sniffed because all of that data would be plain text. Yeah, so if you're just reading a page on NASA, not as much of a concern, but if you're at the Department of Justice filling out a form, you don't want to be doing that unless you have a proper certificate, right? Exactly, exactly. So this is a major concern, especially because there's nobody watching those sites right now, there's nobody making sure that your forms are being filed correctly or anything. So your stuff is just sitting there. So I'm just going to avoid all of those websites until the shutdown is over. But that's not necessarily something that everybody can do. Like if you have something that's very time sensitive, right? Who's going to be there? Like this is this is really important and honestly, pretty scary that there's a lot of government sites that are up to potential vulnerabilities right now. Yeah, and and and it's it's one thing to say, well, I'm going to be smart and hold off on my filing if I can or make my filing in an offline way. However, if somebody isn't aware and gets fished because of this, because there's some hijacking going on. And our second guy has a big report today about a wave of domain name hijackings going on. Suddenly, this becomes a bigger deal. Right. Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, don't forget. We have another show that we bring to you. Rich Strafilino, Sarah Lane and myself bring you five minutes of all the important headlines every day at dailytechheadlines.com. So the best of CES awards were announced by Engadget. Engadget's been a partner with the CTA for the past few years to determine the official best of CES award winners, which is near and dear to my heart because Tech TV was the official partner for best of CES back when Sarah and Roger and I worked there. And CNET was a official partner of best of CES when I worked there. So I've kind of been involved with this. And our good friend, Nicole Lee, is integral in determining these for Engadget. The CES best of the best award winner was the Impossible Burger 2.0. Which is a... Tech product. It's a burger. But it was on display officially as part of CES and people were very impressed by it. Well, it and I have not personally tried the Impossible Burger, but I know that people do love it. Do we feel like this is a tech product? It was at CTA. It's a science product. It is a food technology development to be able to create a plant-based meat burger. It's not electronics, though. And it's the consumer electronics show. So, you know, I don't know, CTA gets to widen out the... They used to be the Consumer Electronics Association. Now they're the Consumer Technology Association. So, hey, why not go ahead and widen it up? Maybe that E doesn't need to mean what it used to be. Maybe it can be the Consumer Everything show. I get more concerned whenever I see things at CES that are just being straight sold to businesses because I feel like since it's the Consumer Electronics Show, this should definitely be focused on the consumers and what consumers can purchase and consumers can use. So when I see B2B products, I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do with this? Unless it's something that I can actually see and use as a person who is a consumer of that business that purchase the thing. But when it comes to the burger, I do think of this as a consumer technological item. I've tried the original Impossible Burger and I did think the 2.0 was way better. It tasted delicious, by the way. It was very, very good. So, yeah, I don't know if I agree with it being best of the best, but it is something that's very influential. And I do hope that it helps our economy and our environment in the long run. So no to B2B, yes to beef to me. Yes, even if it's beef, okay. We should also point out that the heated razor from Gillette Labs won the People's Choice Award. The People's Choice Award you could vote online or in person. They had kiosks at the Engadget booth there in the central hall. So, yeah, a lot of a lot of guys like that heated razor from Gillette Labs. Yeah, so congratulations to Gillette. Let's talk about our own takeaways from the Consumer Electronics Show as we wrap up this week of coverage. And Shannon, we'll start with you. We heard a little bit about some of the things that impressed you on Wednesday's show. What's your final word on CES? Yeah, I got to talk a little bit about video gaming, especially on Wednesday when I was on the show with y'all. But one thing that I did notice when I was walking around more from a broader perspective was that assistance, whether it's Google Assistant or Alexa or whatever it might be, is getting a lot smarter. And I say this because I saw several different items that weren't just like, oh, you can voice activate this thing. And hey, that's really cool, but also things that I've never seen it in. For example, I saw a convection oven, which is from June, Juneoven.com. This thing was pretty interesting in that it has a camera built in and it can identify the food that you stick in there before it's cooked, and it will set the correct temperature and the time for you and everything. And then it's connected to an app so you can watch your food as it cooks. We saw something from Grundig that was was doing the same sort of thing. So that seems to be a trend. Yeah, so I thought that was pretty cool that they're they're implementing cameras that can identify more than just like facial recognition. They're using it to actually take a look at other items. And we've seen a little bit of this in Google's technology in their camera, which you can use on the smartphone so you can point it at a thing and then it will find it on the web and tell you what that thing is. So it's nice to see it in something other than a smartphone. So I thought that was pretty cool. I also saw something that is B2B that was at CES. It was called Wheel over at Wheel.us, W-H-I-L-L.us. This was a it was a wheelchair, but it was a smart wheelchair. They did come out with one last year and that one was connected and everything. And you can drive around with it. And I believe you could control it with your smartphone. And it's very, very powerful. The one that they introduced this year was self driving. So their idea and their envision of this is to sell it to like hospitals or airports and when you're a consumer and you go to the airport, for example, and you need a wheelchair, you can download the app and just call a wheelchair. And it would arrive to you all by itself. And I was able to try one out. I was able to demo it and sit in it. And I tried to run into things, including barriers and people. And it stopped every single time. So it had very good sensors on it. It was pretty cool to be able to control one of those from your from your phone. And I think that being able to have that smart technology built in would enable airports to focus their employees on other things other than pushing wheelchair around, they would be able to focus on training at at the baggage reservation or something like other things that humans are much better at, like customer service, as opposed to just pushing a wheelchair around. If a wheelchair can push itself around, that's awesome. I think that's really cool. If it works, if it works, well, and that reminds me that one of Roger's takeaways I know is self-driving tech in general. Right, Roger? Yes, yes. So one of the things that Tom and Sarah know quite well is I loved strolling through the North Hall on the way to our booth set up. Every chance you could get, we just cut through the North Hall. We're all the cars are, you know, the car hall. And, you know, one of the, you know, one of the big things was that autonomous and semi-autonomous driving was huge. Whether it was a car or whether it was infrastructure, whether it was component devices that, you know, you know, NVIDIA or whatever was trying to sell to car manufacturers was huge. And it kind of really kind of sets the tone of where a lot of these companies are kind of positioning their halo automotive products, whether, you know, it's a brand new car or it's an augmented design. You know, self-driving is definitely something they all think is a feasible business model moving forward. The other thing I noticed was I liked the way that health took more of a bigger profile this year, and it wasn't just fitness or some variation on fitness tracking that I was really impressed by. Now you had devices like the Tato, which was basically, you know, an all-in-one or not orthopedic pediatric device to send data to your pediatrician without having to, you know, take your kid to the doctor's office if it's something that you don't know was serious or not. It was kind of one of those things like, you know, I wish they had this five months ago that I could have been spared sending my kid to the hospital. Yeah. Which, you know, when you say sending your kid to the hospital sounds dangerous, but it was because you just needed to get someone to look at her right away. It ended up not being serious, but this kind of thing could save on that for sure. Definitely. And that kind of ties in, Sarah, do I know some of your takeaways? Yeah. So my big takeaway from CES this year was it seemed like it was more organized than it has been in years past. And maybe that's because we're organized on DTS. Yeah. Is it that Marat's? Yeah. You know, probably both. But I found that because we were our little booth was in Central Hall, which is, you know, where all the big companies are. And in years past, you know, you're jostling people and it's crowded and kind of kind of a big deal. And when I walked through this year, I found that there was stuff on display and, you know, folks that you can talk to if you wanted to know more about the products and it just it just felt like I could breathe a little bit more. I don't know. Maybe that's just me. What I did also know, though, was and part of this was because we ran into somebody that Tom and Roger and Shannon and I have all worked with previously, who's in the 3D printing business now. And he said, yeah, you know, 3D printers, it's not really the big thing at CES that it was a few years ago. Now there's another convention, you know, in the Midwest that that's that's the real place that we go. And, you know, even as somebody who follows tech and, you know, tries to keep up on all the stuff, I had never heard of this other convention, this other trade show, you know, that this person was talking about. So I think if you are in the business of particular things, 3D printing, or, I don't know, a microphone or security or something is a niche part of CES, it definitely is going to appear at CES. But there are other places where it actually is more worth your while as somebody who is living and breathing this. And and, you know, that's that's interesting to me. And that's true of the big brands, too. You don't see Samsung announcing everything at CES. They pick and choose what they're going to announce there and what they're going to announce in their own events. Apple doesn't even show up. Microsoft doesn't have a booth. So it is interesting to see CES evolve. And I think that ties right into my takeaway, which is niche products like health, like food, are more apparent and and it's it's it's easier to access them. And those are the places where the real new things are going to be seen versus, you know, some big company that's been doing the same thing for 15 years, except 15 years ago, it was 720p TVs and now it's 8K TVs, but it's, you know, roughly the same thing. It's it's harder sometimes to find those really new items. But because the big companies are just kind of taking the pressure off by by not showing everything at CES, I feel like I was able to see them more often, too. And maybe that's just me being more organized as well. But thanks to everybody who supports the show that allows us to do CES coverage and let us know what you thought. If you liked our coverage this week, feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. Thanks to everyone who supports us on our subreddit. You help us pick our stories every day, submit stories and vote on others at DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com. If you want to hang out on Facebook with us, well, I've got good news for you. We've got a group, facebook.com slash groups slash DailyTechNewShow. Well, let's check out the mailbag before we wrap up the week. Let's do it. Chris from Canada had a response for episode 3445. Chris says, you were talking about how different ages tended to share more or less fake news with older people sharing more potentially news that isn't exactly kosher. No, it's a story yesterday that said it's the 65 plus people that shared the most determined fake news. Right. Chris says, I think Roger made a good point, might have been cut off. Though the older generation may not know how to use Facebook, it's possible they're still trying to use that old paradigm of news that's TV and newspapers. Having story vetting journalists that you believe in to Facebook news, which is shared by friends and unvalidated and its websites and etc. If you assume your source is always validated, you may tend to share more. It's not enough just to be able to use new technology, but it's also required to understand the new paradigm in order to use it effectively, keep up the good work. Thank you, Chris. All right, let's check in with Len Peralta, who has been illustrating this week's show again. Thank you, Len. What do you got for us this week? You know, I didn't make it to CES this week. I was one of the only panelists that did make it to CES. So I had to use the Engadget guide that you pasted in the notes. And this is that this is the best of CES 2019. According to Engadget, it's got all these great little things that that you guys didn't really talk about. So if you haven't checked out that that story, be sure to check it out. You'll also see the impossible burgers in this thing. And Roger, I don't think you talked about the Mapo tofu. Oh, yeah, that was Roger's other takeaway, wasn't it? It was basically what I told about your favorite meal. That is my favorite Chinese takeout dishes that actually made it into this drawing. So that's if you want to know Roger's real favorite takeaway. If you want to see the best of CES represented, we actually saw the Jack's jocks smart bell that she's carrying here. We saw that. We did variance. We did. We did. We definitely talked a lot about the impossible burger. So, you know, you'll see some stuff that you recognize in here. Where should they go? They should go to Len Peralta store.com. Or if they become a Patreon and become a DTNS lover level, they get these for free at the end of every month. So check it out there. Len Peralta store.com. Excellent. Thank you, Len. Our email address is feedback and daily tech. What about Shannon? We got to say goodbye to Shannon. Oh, sorry. Bye, Shannon. Thank you, Shannon, for joining us not only today, but Wednesday as well. We really appreciated you being with us. And if folks want to find out more about where you are and where they can get your takes on CES and coverage and other things, where should they go? YouTube.com slash tech thing, T-E-K thing. Yeah, our YouTube. You can tell that we are all very tired because it's the end of the CES week. But if you are interested, I link to the YouTube channel because that's where we are updating all of our CES coverage and all of it will be found over there much quicker than our tech thing.com website. But yeah, we're covering, I believe, where you have 10 to 12 videos that will be coming out. We still have a few more that are going to release of our CES coverage, and then we will be back, of course, next week for our usual Thursday show covering everything, technology, reviews, how to use, especially security and privacy. Thank you, Shannon. 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We're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 21 30 UTC and you can find out more and tell a friend share with your mom or your aunt or your uncle or your niece daily tech news show dot com slash live. This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants dot com. Ironman Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Kitty. He was very disruptive during the show. Sam. Samuel, what is wrong with you, man? Samuel S. Jackson, the cat. Was anybody else's Google Doc spreadsheet disconnecting? Yeah, Roger was mine was mine was out of control the entire time. OK, sorry. Sorry if I was seemed a little out of sorts. It was like I was like half the time I was one's was was disconnecting. So it must be a Google Drive thing. Yeah, I think it's a Google Drive thing, too. Mine was fine. That's so weird. Well, because in, you know, normally it's like you can use Google Docs offline. But but our but our our our our color code stuff is actually very important to me. So like there were a couple times where I'm like, we're really ready to go to the next topic, but I'm not seeing the red. Like I can't do nothing. I know that it reloaded it. All right. So we need to figure out a title for Roger. So what I actually have to jump off because I'm going to dinner with my wife. OK, bye. Oh, what kind of cuisine? I suppose if your wife is more important than us, then you better go. I mean, like, you know, I tried to tell her that this this is very important. No, actually, no, we just need it's funny because she's like real big about getting there before six because of the crowds coming on a Friday night. Enjoy your dinner. Thank you so much. It was good to tell her we say hello. Yes. And I should I will. And I should be here next week as well. So we're in a role, man. Yeah, have a real nice Friday night date. Thank you. It will be nice. Of course. Sam says, have a nice dinner. All right. So we have facial photos. Find your faults. That one's not bad. Consumer Edibles show. Oh, I like that. Not bad. Not bad. Ford Park's its chariot is good, although it's just a quick hit. So there's really. Yeah. It's a burger. The impossible award. The Consumer Everything show. Sammy, what do you want? He's totally purring. Do you hear that? Yeah. He's purring and drooling. He loves to be on the show. Consumer Everything show or Consumer Edibles show? I like Consumer Edibles show. All right. It's motion carried. It's a it's a little, you know, it sounds a little bit like weed, but there was a little sensational. But but it's not, you know, it's not going to be disappointed when they listen to the entire episode and we make it not a single edible. They never talked about weed once. It's OK. I'll talk about weed on one of my tech thing episodes. So it's fine. All right. I'll cover that. We'll forward them. If you get complaints to say, actually, Shannon talked about it. Actually, actually, the burger is not possible. The impossible burgers. Perfectly possible. I myself prefer a can you call a burger that exists? Impossible. Why does the word impossible exist then? Everything should just be improbable. Yes. Or unpassed. Sammy, get a hold of yourself. Oh, he says, I'm so ready to get lit. It's ready. Woo. Woo. As soon as I got home, I just went to bed and tried to fall asleep. But of course, my cat, Luna, like she missed me so much, she just sat on my chest and wouldn't leave. And I was like, I really want to go to sleep. So she sits on her chest. Does her butt face your face? Sometimes, yes. Yes. And sometimes she's not so good at cleaning herself. Cat butt. Cat butts, yep. We're used to that in here. Good old cat butts. Yeah, when I first got home, Otis was at ice sitters, you know, not at my house. And when he first saw me, he was sort of like, hey, mom. And then, like, over the course of the next few hours, he was like, I missed you and got real clingy and adorable. He's fine now. But yeah, it was like it was sort of a fun thing where he was like, I had fun, but I want you to know never to leave me. That's so cute. I love her babies. Me too. Our children. Our brothers from another species. Yes, Sam. Get real, get yourself together. You're on a string. Yeah, seriously, Sam. What are we paying you for? Sam, I am Sam. Oh, man. Yeah. No, it's it's a we we totally had no problems covering CES until we got home. It's one of those things where like you basically you basically you know, you could you hold it up until you let it go and then it all falls apart. Kind of didn't really all fall apart. But we you know, we were other than that audio glitch with Roger's mic. We were solid and at the actual show. Let's go. Yeah, there were a lot of folks who were like, oh, my gosh, CES. How was it? And I'm like, great. It was good. It was fun. You know, we had good stuff. We saw interesting things. We had some good food. I was going to suggest this is way too early to really be thinking about this, but I mentioned it on my editor's desk because it occurred to me while I was talking, I wonder if we if we should be in the tech west. Broadcast area instead of the central hall. Next year, just to. Oh, yeah, that would be part of the movement. Well, yeah, I have to go to LBCC at all. That's a great idea. We have to see and then Shannon will be on every show because but but yeah, because the because all of the emerging tech is there. And so, you know, we get to see almost everything else at the digital experience show, you know, all of that. And we could make one for a over to the LBCC if we really wanted to see stuff. But I know Roger won't like this idea because it gets us away from the North Hall. But then because we never made it to tech west. And so that's where all the niche stuff really is all the all the emerging stuff. We didn't. I mean, I'm all for that. Why not be fun? Same. I'm down. It might be a little quiet here. That'd be nice. Is the west the one in the sands? Yeah, yeah, sure. There is a Starbucks right there, so I'm totally down. And there's there's more hotel options around that one. Yeah, it would probably be a lot easier to get there from the different hotels since it's right there on the strip and the monorail goes by there. I know the monorail goes by the LBCC too, but it gets so crowded over there. Yeah, it's it's almost useless during CES if you want to get anywhere fast. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You have to time like an extra hour to get anywhere from the allotted usual time. Down, please. Thank you. Monorail. Bye, kitty. I love you. Bye, Dan. He's like, I'm going to jump up on your lap in two seconds. Anyway, it's not something we have to make a decision about right away, but something to think about. Yeah. Now that we've perfected how to recover it, let's start changing it. So yeah, let's make it hard for ourselves next year. Raise the difficulty level. Well, I'm just thinking it might be easier in some ways. I don't know something to think about. Anyway, we're going to say goodbye to the video, folks. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching all week long, all the time. Tell your friends and audio folks stick around. There's more to come.