 I try to maybe see your stars, the dark hits and your stars, it makes no sound, I'll find Bernie. Hey, so hello and welcome to another episode, episode 61. Thank you. 61. 61 of Microsoft Community Office Hours. Yeah, I know. Dog years. We're not. We're getting there. That's true. No one's as old as how. We will be discussing here all things Microsoft 365 and answering questions from the community. So if you have a question, we're streaming on YouTube and Facebook, go ahead and ask. We'll post it there in the chat and we'll try to address that in real time. My name is Christian Buckley. Yes. Is that all we talk about Christian? Really? Microsoft 365 and somewhat related topics. Sometimes. Yeah, that's kind of secondary, I'm thinking. Yeah. Retro 80s movies. Of course. Pop references because we're very. Airlines. We're very in the now. We'll be breaking down the term Chuggy later in this episode to help you all understand that. My name is Christian Buckley. I am the Microsoft Go-To-Market Director at App Point and Office Apps and Services MVP as well as Regional Director. With me today are Sean McDonough, a consultant with Bitstream Boundary in Cincinnati, Ohio and Office Apps and Services MVP. Mike Nelson, a Solutions Architect with Pure Storage and a Cloud and Data Center Management MVP based in Appleton, Wisconsin. Hal Haas-Dettler, Senior Field Engineer with Roland Shorten Tower in Tucson, Arizona and Office Apps and Services MVP. He's not going to be bragging about the temperature in his hometown today, I'm sure. And we also have Norm Young, Director of Collaboration Analytics at App Point and Office Apps and Services MVP in St. Catherine's, Ontario. And of course we have, and I don't know that anybody else is going to join, but surrounding out the field here, we have Microsoft Senior Program Manager Dr. Neal Hodgkinson joining us from somewhere down in Texas. I don't know. It's so big. There we go. Silence. Silence. Excellent. We've got a really big t-shirt game today. Absolutely. That's brought the t-shirt game. That's for sure. Oh yeah. Did anybody know what this is from? Hal, you should know this. Mind if I crash here? It's from the Meteor Creator. Meteor Creator? I don't know where that is. Yeah. Yeah, that's... Where is that? They were... You know, on that? Because that meteor, it came within feet of getting the visitor center when it hit. Really? What are you talking about? Meteor that crashed in Winslow, Arizona. I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but it was in Starman. It was the actual creator that they used in the movie Starman. Oh. And... How big? It's a hundred and... About a quarter of a mile. Yeah. Whoa. I'm sorry, not 140 miles across. It was a mile and 1.4 miles across. That's still huge. Yeah. Yes, it is. It's massive. You should go visit someday. Wow. I've got pictures. Yeah. Well, excellent. Well, I'm sure we'll have some other alien talk later also within the feed. That's a recurring theme for us as well. No more probing. This is to celebrate also the declassification of all the UFO files this month. Yeah. Yeah. But there was nothing new. There was nothing new. I was hoping that there'd be something else within there. Looking for the smoking phaser, huh? Yeah. Basically, all the Huff and Puff was for them to officially say, we don't know what that stuff is. We don't know what it is. Yeah. Someone made a great point. Someone made a great point though about like, of course, if it were the U.S. government that's making some of these aircraft, they're being captured that they're going to want to test it against other U.S. systems first. We have the best radar or the best tracking in the world that we know of. They're going to want to track it against. They're going to test it against that. It's like, so we have no idea. I don't. I think that we are not alone. We are definitely not alone. Well, we're all right here right now, Mike. So I don't feel alone. Yeah. I mean, where is here? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you have people that just, you know, could be sitting right in front of us. Any one of these guys on the screen right now, they could be an alien. They could be, you know, posing as a human being. Yeah. I think that's all of us. Mike. Yeah. Well, I am, I am very human fluid. So I sometimes I identify as from another planet. All right. Let's jump. Well, let's, let's, you know, any other events that are going on. I know we have the Microsoft 365 collaboration conference in person. It's hybrid event. It's happening this week. It's going in fact, Mark Rackley has a, I think he's doing a workshop today and he's got one on Friday as well. But he might be doing a workshop. If he actually got to work on it. Yeah. That was hilarious. But that's going on. I think Dunkirk comes doing a SP framework workshop as well, I think. Or if not a workshop, he's definitely doing some sessions. Very cool. Yep. That's a lot. Recently, recently, recently achieved MVP as well, Tom. Yes, he did. I have interviewed him for my MVP buzz chat interview series already. So, yep, congrats to Don. And that's, Don is one of those people. There's many that fall into that category where I even saw this, another friend who got his MVP in the UK and Jeremy Thake, a former MVP, and I'm back at Microsoft. He made the statement. It's one of those where he saw the approvals get passed around the product team and he looked at the list and he's like, isn't he already an MVP? You know, when Microsoft people, we're all things like, I didn't even realize you weren't an MVP. We just assumed because of the level of community activity that they're doing. That's usually the same. I had the same experience with Brian Olderman. Yeah. When I, you know, known him for years, I was chatting to him, and it was, this is actually night 2015, the one in Chicago, years ago, years and years ago. And I said to him, I said, you know, how's your MVP? But he's like, no, no, I've never been awarded. He was awarded 2016 at the same interval. I fixed that. That's great. He definitely deserves it. I'm six from six so far. Six nominations, six proof. Got the golden touch there. So anybody that wants to become an MVP, hit up Neil. Spam him to start the email campaign. I'm sure that'll do wonders for getting referred. Yeah. Well, Mike, what is, oh wait, let's, we have the disclaimer officially the disclaimer for the show. Put that up on screen there. There you go. No animals, children or mimes were harmed. Well, I can't guarantee the safety of the, of the last one there. So. Yeah. Sherry is here. Sherry is here. Hey, Sherry. We weren't wondering. Good morning. What are you going to make of that? So it's great that you're here. And so let me just do introductions for those that don't know Sherry. Hello, Sherry. Sherry Oswald, a Microsoft certified trainer, Microsoft office master and co-founder of Power Up Learning in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Or do you guys say Colorado? I don't. I've heard it. Yeah. That speaks good English. Missouri and Arkansas, I don't know. Yeah. That's how Canadians say it, right, Norm? For sure, right? Well, I just know that here, see one city south of me here is American Fork. And those with the really thick Utah accents, American Spoon? They call it American Fark. American Fark, huh? Yeah. What? I'm all kind of wrong. Yeah. Correct. I agree with you. So with that, Mike, what is happening in the wonderful world of Microsoft 365 Message Center updates? The most important things, the only things that we should care about? Should I do the theme music? No, that's OK. OK. All right. Well, it's been two weeks, Christian. I mean, there is so much that happened in two weeks. I mean, Microsoft, obviously, they just don't take holidays. They don't take breaks. They just keep pushing and moving along. How dare they? Yeah. No, I'll stop for it. No, I'll stop for it. OK. All right. Starting out, we're going to go from the department of the two-for-one DILIO additional admin functionality and support for 1,000-person meetings. Now, this one's kind of interesting because they put that as the headline for the feature that with the recent 1,000-person meeting deployment, we're providing admin additional support to troubleshoot meetings. And they've added the following capabilities, search based on partial text. You can match a participant by UPN username on their fields, or search based on a select set of fields, or you can export the meeting participant list and the call quality details for offline review purpose. Now, the thing I love about this one is that they've added a little note to it saying these capabilities will also be available for all meetings, not just 1,000-person meetings. So why put it under the header of 1,000-person meetings? Because people aren't even going to look at that if they're not interested in 1,000-person meetings. So why not just? It doesn't make sense to me. It's blog fodder for all DDPs. You have to go and get excited. It's reverse clickbait. That's what department should have been. Push people away with the title and then reel them in with the goodness. Yeah, that's right. I regressed that department should have been reverse clickbait department. All right. This one is coming from the everyone will be singing Kumbaya. Together mode extensibility. Creators can now build custom together mode scenes using the newly built scene studio. So I went to this. Yeah. And it's in the Microsoft Teams Development Center. I went there this morning, check it out. And sure enough, scene studio was there for me. And you can basically take images and put them in and you put in the number of participants that are allowed to be inside of this scene and things like that. And then you have to publish it as an app. And then your users have to actually use that app. So that's the only way you can do it. Think of the possibilities. What could possibly go wrong with something like this? I was thinking, someone's going to go and try and create a workflow using that, this video. And it's going to be expanded. And then it will be 2010 all over again. So you have to snap. I'm reminded like, you know, snap camera. You know, people that try to use snap cameras, they don't have to put makeup onto the day or whatever. You know, you can be banana. You can be a potato. Is it the same thing? Because I found that the experience is delayed when people use that. Do you think, because one more layer, is it going to be bad again? Well, no. The example that they have is they just have the background that like people are sitting in chairs or they're sitting in an auditorium and things like that. So that's the designer point is that you can create like, you know, your own corporate logo and you can have like a meeting room the way that your meeting room looks or have a classroom style type auditorium, something like that. Like one of those photo opportunities where you put your head through the board. No, no, it's not that. It's not that it's specific to, you know, the background, if you will. This is the scene. That's interesting. That's a great point though. I still wonder, you know, having that separate application, will that cause any further delay to the experience? Yeah. It's only available through the developer portal. So they figured that only developers are going to use it. Yeah, because that solves all performance problems. That's right. And performance issues are never caused by developers. One thing I didn't notice is that you can actually have moving backgrounds. So think about that is you can create, it didn't say that you can upload a video, but you can upload an animated chip. So you could have something moving in the background during the whole together mode experience. And that could get kind of creepy. I love the one that's done well. I think Vesa with Microsoft used that. One of the SPFX calls and just had his normal office background and then suddenly he, you see him walk across his own background. Come in from the side, grab something off the desk and walk back out. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's just motion sick way to happen. From someone who gets motion sick. Thank you so much, Quake. I'm just going to start my day with coffee and drumming now. I'm just going to go capture like 60 seconds of running through a maze in Quake or some other game that 3D, that point of view, have that the background. There you go. There you go. Wow. Wow, Wilpenstein. What a reference. All right. From the Department of Drowning in Columns, SharePoint folks, how many columns do you guys have when you open up and do a site configuration, like oodles and boodles and there's like, we'll go on forever. How about some more? Yeah, so they're adding SharePoint in the SharePoint admin center. You can actually now add the created from column. We'll show the apps that they were used to create the site. And then also a teams column that will show which sites are connected to Microsoft Teams. So now you even have more columns that you can add. And also in addition, you have a new built-in view called the sites connected to teams, which lists all the sites in your organization that are connected to Microsoft Teams. That's actually extremely helpful. We're working with a client right now that they, in their words, they want to put the cow back in the barn because they let teams out and now they've got stuff that should have been channels. It's a mess. And they know it and they, I'm not calling them out for any bad reason, but they, but we're going through the site inventory and going, who does this belong to? Are they using it? Was it a planner board? Did somebody create it? It created a team and a group and everything behind it. So yeah, that's actually... You don't have to pull out your PowerShell. I don't PowerShell. I don't pull out my PowerShell. And if you think about it, if you set a few series back, or episodes back, we actually have people asking this particular question. How do I identify where this thing was created and how it was built and where it came from? We've had that as a question before. And the answer previously was, PowerShell's your friend. So maybe someone's listening. Can I just get agreement here that anything above five columns is just excessive and you're just showing off? Can we just agree on that? Incredibly excessive. I can't believe. That list goes on forever. It just, you know... Well, half of forever. I understand metadata, but man, that's just metadata overload. Metadata. But apparently there are enough people that needed it and were using PowerShell that they identified this is something would be nice to have or not. Because you can customize that view and turn them off for those of you that are minimalist. Some of us, like I, I like to remove all the UI. Yeah. I'd like to argue that there are features and we can all probably have one or two in our minds that aren't created because someone's asking it was the development team said we can do it. So we will build it. Or it was a... Yeah. Or it was the top 1% of Microsoft's largest customers that said, yes, we need this. So, yep, we're going to put it in. Yeah. So, new department needs to know basis only. The office for the web is hiring the file share embedding. I don't know if anybody has ever used this. I have used this personally. And what it does is allow you to embed a link to an office document inside of a blog post or a website. Anyone, any website doesn't have to be SharePoint. It gives you an embedded link. And I've done that for specifically Excel worksheets or OneNote notebooks. I've done that before. But they're getting rid of it. So there will be no more file editing. You won't be able to do it anymore. And, you know, now they're saying you have to use a SharePoint web part called FileViewer or the PreviewItemGraph API to embed office files inside of other web pages, which kind of sucks. So, Mike, is that like a viewer or is that just like a link? No, it's just an embedded link. So it's an embedded link that allows you to see a preview. Oh, preview. Because it pulls it from Excel Online or when I was using it, it pulled it from Excel Online and then you click on it and it opens up in Excel Online and shows up. That's the missing piece, okay. Yeah. From the We Blame the Network Department comes the roaming bandwidth control. This one's going to, I think they're going to, I don't, I don't get this one. What they're doing is they're implementing a roaming bandwidth control. And what it does is it allows for the admins to set a dynamic bandwidth policy, which are based upon the geographic location of users' teams' clients. Now, hang on with me this for a second here. This allows admins to set more limited bandwidth controls for when users travel to remote or bandwidth constrained locations and then relax limitations when they travel to a location with higher bandwidth capacity. Help me understand this. How does one admin know what bandwidth a team's user could possibly experience in all of their remote travels? I mean I struggle with that one. I mean, if the bandwidth is low, let's say I travel to the middle of Africa, for example, right. Not necessarily renowned for having the best latency or bandwidth experiences. And my device, let's say on my phone, I'm going to be throttled by the bandwidth in the area anyway. Right. Why do I why do I I don't understand it either. Yeah, it's just one of those things that kind of solves itself, right. I'm glad I'm not alone here. I can think of a scenario here. If you have a large organization and let's say they don't necessarily follow all the best practices for Microsoft 365 implementation. It's theoretical, Mike. What happened? It's theoretical. There's a lot of internal routing within the company network. I can see where, you know, you get a bunch of people that go out of region. It might start to choke an internal segment of the network. And even though you'll get throttled when you're out in that area it might, I'm thinking it just might be able to pass through some form of limitation to what singular person can identify all of those locations. It doesn't make sense to me. Well, all the admins. Yeah, well, I mean it was like they set like a, you know you're in the US, you're in Europe that's like a high scenario because the departments tend to be good everywhere else. No problem. I don't, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that because I mean I being in, not that I would do this, but I mean being in like a coffee shop in Amsterdam enjoying the coffee in Amsterdam of course. I had better bandwidth experience there than I did at my home in the US. I mean it was, I would believe how fast it was. It was incredibly fast. You're locally egressing onto the Microsoft network at that point though. Yeah, yeah. So I mean to throttle people, I mean Yeah. You're acting like an ISP now and that just bothers you. But I could see where it's the case if you have like around an event, like I've been down in and to an event down in South Africa for example and you know horrible bandwidth and connectivity issues. I just expect if I'm on the road in South Africa that I'm likely not going to be reading email except through my phone most of the week. Depending on the location Sean, you looking confused there? Something else? Oh, I bought a bunch of music before coming here and the artist just sent me a note. Oh, nice. Fader head if anybody likes industrial music I don't Yeah, I bought a bunch of his stuff and he just sent me a note. Getting back to the topic in hand. Yeah, so anyway, but I can see you put it around a specific so you've got a location and you know that it's hey, it's going to be there's going to be a lot of people that are in the vicinity because of this event that's going on and so an admin might be both aware of that as of the limitations of that local network because this event and the number of people that will be there or not. I would agree with that. And just to make sure that it doesn't just lock up or crash because of all those people around that so I mean I get that that an admin is aware that in general this this is where we're seeing this kind of usage of the network in an area that doesn't have strong bandwidth and so we want to throttle that so everybody can get a trickle rather than it somebody gets a lot and everybody else gets boxed out. Yeah, or any conference Wi-Fi right, you know, that sort of situation but it doesn't access to me Well, and to add on to it initially the only two settings that are to be available from the team's meeting policy will be included was the allow IP video and media bit rate KB so it's all focused around video nothing else, it's all focused around the video feed so a lot of folks a lot of folks who have problems with video with teams they just turn it off, right? I mean you just turn it off for them and throttle it down to just audio and I didn't mean to jump on you like that but see Christian beats me up offline because I take too much time with this so I just have to be conscious of I don't want Christian to come after me anymore and call me names and say he's going to come to my house and do Mike doesn't want to wreck another brand new set of tires so please I'm sorry Mike I just like I said I'm struck, it's just one of those things that I've not had happen before so your brush with paint can I tell you the story too I'm going to do it anyway so one of my favorite musicians since I was 14 years old Dr. Robert Leedsinger of the blow monkeys back in the 80s I know yeah so the blow monkeys they got back together and started doing some different shows and they came out with some new music and of course you forget how small the social world is I just didn't think of it and they tweeted something about Dr. Robert's account tweeted something about we just had this new thing and I responded that I listened to it it's just not as good as the old stuff and he immediately got on there and apologized he's like I'm sorry we're not quite what we were there but if you give this a listen and then sent me DM'd me so he followed me to DM me and sent me a link to listen to an early preview of the new album which was really good and he sounded a lot better than that live that I was commenting on but I just I felt so bad of commenting on one of my musical heroes and he responded directly within seconds I had something similar there's a wonderful artist named Mimi Page she's out on the west coast she puts out wonderful she has this very beautiful voice and she's been known to respond to people online and I follow her and she put out a single and it was wonderful but it was like in my opinion just too short and I said you know I love it it's fantastic I just wish it were a little longer and she replies with well you can play it over and over again I feel like an ass so I'm sorry I'm not trying to offend you alright Mike whatever you were talking about I guess we getting started Mike I'll shut up now I am so insignificant this is don't get your undies in a bunch channel how about that we're going to talk about support it's a channel inside of a department they're channels in department they're not sub departments they're channels so support for tenant background images and I look back gosh it was back in March they talked about support for tenant background images in the navigation bar is being retired what appears that now they've gotten a lot of kickback on that and it was a matter where they needed to clarify that they're not taking out the tenant backgrounds from how you can brand your site they're just taking it out from the navigation bar across the top where you can actually put that little slit and have a little image in the back of that the header I think yeah it takes time to do that but hey don't get pissed at us we're not taking away your branding your co-branding and things like that have they published what the legal limit is on tinting before you are up to be pulled over and yeah because you can't have it on the driver and passenger side front windows on shield gradation and on the back but you can't have the tinting I've been ticketed for that I fight with this I fight every time it just gets exhausted with you guys just exhausted teams meeting invite recipients limit from outlook we're making some changes to limit the number of individual recipients allowed for scheduling a teams meeting now you'll remember back to something that I mentioned before they opened it up to a thousand teams meeting right well guess what now in outlook they're saying hey no can't do a thousand you can only do 750 750 yeah I got that right so they want you to use distribution list and this is only for the win 32 client and they put a put note at this time they're going to also add that to the win 64 client I don't know but even though you want to have a thousand people you can only invite 750 you know what this is this is the whole it's all over again it's when you buy the package of hot dogs and the package of hot dog buns and their different numbers those groups need to get together and figure that out it's a scheme it's fine with the technology world but specifically with hot dogs and hot dog buns that's what's got me livid I'm totally with you Christian totally so I don't understand what this is we think it's a technical limitation with the client or we're trying to slow people in the teams I don't think it's a technical limitation in the client at all because they actually allow they're decreasing the limit so you can invite a thousand people today and they're taking it and bringing it down so if it was a technical limitation I'm sorry go ahead share only through outlook though what I mean but you can individually go into teams and add a thousand people into a meeting because you can't do distribution lists in teams right did they change something and that's my big peeve so you can't you are people using distribution lists in outlook and you can't in teams is it a standard versus metric issue the way that they're counting so so in my world what I do is when it's too big of a group I created an outlook I add the teams meeting and I add the distribution lists and expand the distribution lists so that I can see their schedules and of course I don't do the 750 people but potentially somebody might need to I don't know why you can't coordinate that many schedules but let's say they would but now you can't see 750 people schedules in there or you know I don't give am I crazy that's crazy that's why that meeting is scheduled three years from now everybody was open that's it right but even in larger groups I'm sorry I'm talking again I mean and on this show when somebody asked if you're am I crazy that's kind of a rhetorical question because you're on this show I mean crazy insane it's implied all right let me get to this stuff here welcome to the 90s search across images with Microsoft search they're finally rolling out the ability to do image search in Microsoft search it's a new vertical that they're allowing but I can't believe that they've never had this so you know welcome to what Google has been able to do for like 10 20 years has that been is that been there with the with paid the additional paid you know services like I'm not I'm not sure if it's been with paid search don't know but now you can now they're gonna add it but you have to add the vertical it's not like it's automatic you have to add it it's kind of road maps just a couple things from the road maps this is kind of interesting while we're talking about things that should have been Microsoft stream variable playback speed from 0.5 to 2x for Microsoft teams meeting recordings so did you know you could never actually speed up a teams playback of a teams meeting recording yeah you couldn't do it I'm like really and sure enough I go out and look and you can't I'm like why would you not allow people to do that but yeah you can now you'll be able to do that coming up in September of this year Microsoft search you can find a meeting recording based on what was said so coming will be a cognitive search where you'll be able to search basically all the team meetings that were recorded to OneDrive and SharePoint and was transcribed you'll be able to search all that transcription for something that was said well in a roundabout way you've been able to do that if you have transcription on the store you can go and find the recording associated with the result but now to make that part of the automatic search results that's the new thing right people are going to start really watching what they say well this is one of those things like my recommendation has been for a long time this is back in the early the social wars with SharePoint the early 2010 to 2012 era was that video is a crucial aspect of your intellectual property and so the meanings that you're having that you're recording the fact that you couldn't search on it the fact that storage the handling of sensitive topics and information within videos was not being done in the same way as with documents well from a legal standpoint too I was involved in legal holes for a county government customer and to go through all those videos that weren't transcribed and then to be able to look for specific keywords that took forever I mean literally took months to do that but alongside that and you still have kind of treated differently our chats and your threaded conversations and so it all needs to be treated the same there are private chats and the one-on-one chats and the rules around how those are handled but when you are having a conversation in a channel or have a group chat that is you know that's more than two people or whatever the rules are that's set around that an organization should be able to set a policy that makes those you know a record that is searchable, discoverable and protected as an information asset you want privacy do a one-on-one or go use a different tool use your mobile device don't put them in when drivers are important don't have it in your work network so a question for everybody let me try Project MOCA your project MOCA I like MOCA I've heard it you've heard it I find it interesting that MOCA is not spelled correctly but it's M-O-C-A isn't MOCA M-O-C-H hey I'm sorry is it like an acronym acronym? I regret any money it is yes right it's Microsoft number one but it's also Outlook so think about Microsoft Outlook calendar A I'm going to check out MOCA because what this does is this allows for the Outlook board I don't know if you've ever looked at that inside of your calendar and looked at the board view it's basically if you think of it if anybody's ever used Trello it gives you a card view of your calendar and other things that you can put in to that view and it's a recent launch of the Outlook calendar board everything that was being done in Project MOCA has been moved over to the calendar board so I just found it interesting and I went out and looked at it and it's actually pretty useful I actually like it being able to have all those cards on one screen to show you I don't know in your view but how the things that are going on inside of your M265 dinner so it's kind of cool so MOCA is known as monthly office client acceleration very acceleration wow that's okay there's a whole bunch of other stuff that I'm not going to repeat on this board but it's designed to enable stickiness in office client yeah sticking it there you go that makes sense I don't know how many people are already using it's only available in Outlook Online it's not available in standard Outlook it's only available I am now 100% Outlook Online user so with the new features and capabilities I don't have the desktop app open at all I just get the browser open the whole day I got a couple plugins that I have to use that's what did it for me there's enough of the feature set that moved over and a lot of the new stuff that was web only and I made that decision yeah there's still some misses like my inability to drag an email over to my calendar and create a task that way you still can't do that I don't know why in the browser that seems pretty fundamental that's the only thing that I really miss right now I made this switch like you did Christian last year but I took a step further I don't just use the browser I installed Outlook as a progressive web app so if you're using the new edge or Google Chrome you know like settings then install as an app so you get the full web experience but you have the convenience of the application icon so you don't get lost in the tabs it still called in on your taskbar and start you and it's ever fresh so it's pretty cool I need to go do that I just don't like the consumption of I mean I tried the Outlook in that app and it just the CPU and memory consumption I mean it just it climbs and climbs and it never releases it it never releases resources until I actually reboot I can kill all the Chrome instances but it never releases the resources so something else is going on and I mean to me it's just too much of a headache when I got 30 other things going on in my machine and that thing's just chewing up resources so I have a question for you you brought that up I have to have the same issue my computer was bogging so I looked at my processes and there were like 15 only one instance of teams open and there were like team processes running is that normal that's what I find I was like what the heck is that and not only that but if you're in teams this is just me maybe just me but if you're in teams and you also are in the in the team spec client and then you open up say when I was doing two sessions at once kind of multitasking I went up in a browser and one in the fact client the machine would basically come down to a crawl and look in the processes and I mean that the web app for teams was just shooting processor it was using my GPU it got so bad it was just yeah it's just crazy but everything should be in teams now right we should only work in teams forever and ever that if you want to not if you want to do more than one session at once or apparently even just one because it takes 15 processes yeah well that's like Chrome if you launch Chrome there's like 20 you know 20 instances of Chrome running even though I have only one window open anything that uses the chromium plumbing yeah it's notorious for spawning processes is edge much better the new chromium it's not open up edge and have a few tabs open yeah and go look at your processes it's the same thing yeah same with Ram box Christian I know more of that too yeah alright last but not least Microsoft teams this is kind of cool actually maybe I should do this for my segment here and have this on the show is that coming in July they will be giving a reporter and a side by side presenter mode in the desktop or window sharing so you can actually have the over the shoulder that a TV news reporter has so if you have a presentation you can have it over your shoulder yeah yeah I think that's you know I use OBS studio and you know I have I try and make a green screen we'll put my image down here and have it over the shoulder now in teams you'll be able to do that without changing anything yeah and then a side by side where you can actually display your video feed next to your content you know so I can be pointing like hey this this is my content over here kind of a thing you know doing the tic-tac thing where I'm pointing to things as they show up you know around the screen like that is this native is that natively within part of the powerpoint lines yeah I think that's pretty cool that's very cool very engaging yeah someone drawn me on about something and it doesn't require all the third party stuff to set up like I was mentioning with OBS and doing you know doing to have to move things around just to get that to work for you you can just do that right inside a team so I do like how they're going and adding in between some of the native capability and powerpoint live a lot of the you know what you'd have to go and use some of the other streaming services or tools like OBS I use stream labs OBS to get some of that functionality it's kind of like MS paint versus you know the what's the standard illustrator or Photoshop the different tools that are out there and between using you know paint and powerpoint that is my Photoshop illustrator poor man solutions to that but I can get 80% of what I need and most of my small tasks done using paint and powerpoint for those design capabilities without paying those licenses yeah and I think this is this actually is not to overuse the term but actually gives teams an edge over some of the competitors because zoom doesn't provide this you know go to meeting doesn't provide this web apps doesn't provide this so this actually you know from a webinar or a meeting standpoint not a collaboration tool standpoint but from you know the competitors on the the web meeting it is a definite advantage yeah very cool that is all I have back to you Christian excellent and again once again as I say every week there is absolutely nothing else announced in Microsoft message center that is of any great import because if it were important Mike would have included it but he didn't so therefore you don't need to go read any of the other updates I have something to add based on Mike's announcement about search I don't know whether we announced it previously or whether anyone aware of this but the M365 search that Microsoft search experience we're now providing connectors overlapping into the Azure space so the ability to crawl your Azure data stores right SQL Managed Instances SQLIRs all of that kind of stuff to be able to expose that in M365 now as well isn't it that's coming down that's basically eminent and that's incredibly interesting because search uses Azure Cognitive Services or Azure AI so it's kind of a crossover already number one number two M365 is hosted in Azure so it's actually a service inside of Azure which makes kind of sense of what you're saying there Neil is that all of this should become one big happy family eventually where you know you can take those services and cross pollinate between them yeah with the introduction of the M365 in several years now but the introduction of the substrate and the new managed services in terms of respect to search it's a whole different ballgame compared to when we think about M365 first at the ground it was basically SharePoint search and that was it it is a whole different ballgame today so let me ask you a question is why are they not calling Microsoft search a Bing why is no really I'm serious I don't know seriously no I know it's a serious question and I don't know I guess they're kind of differentiating between commercial versus public cloud services it's free right it's free to everybody whereas Microsoft search is after the license and you have to be you know a registered user of that service so maybe that's it I don't know the answer to that question they should just call it Bing for Business like they did everything else then you have Bing for Business Pro Bing for Business Enterprise which is different Bing E3 Bing E5 E1 alright I was just always curious because it's always been pushed every time that I've talked to Microsoft and it came down to search it was always about well you know you should be using Bing like why it's not the same as what you have like you say Neil it's just I don't know I just couldn't know a lot of improvements and a lot of enhancements if you look at Excel for example today the search features in Excel and the data mining features in Excel you know when integration of Wolf from Alpha you're familiar with that platform that's now integrated fully into Excel online so you can use all of their cognitive search algorithms and features so things are moving fast moving hard Microsoft was talking about two years ago about the open data platform opening that up to other partners within the consortium and their competitors that are within that to see that more and more to be able to go and have an easy connect into that data wherever it sits and use your services across those and leverage I mean that's where businesses are going and a lot of businesses lost because of the last the lack of the native integration and so yeah anyway now it's all graph API so all that's available be the graph API well let's jump in in the handful of minutes we have left here I I blame Sean I just give him my heart no it's great great discussion so let's kick things off with question number one again these are questions that are coming to us from various community pages inside of Facebook I think there's one question here which was from the unanswered questions out on the Microsoft tech community and so if anybody says watching live you can also post a question we'll try and get to here in the session but with that so they're also raw meaning I'm not editing these so I'm gonna try and there are some that are translated into English that Facebook does or attempts to do but here question number one from Muhammad is there a way for an admin to see or know lists personal views as I've elisted SharePoint on-prem that is very close to the list items threshold and my views are fine so I'm suspecting that this is due to a personal view somewhere so there is a way for an admin to see or to know the personal views that are out there that could be hitting that threshold I mean you can enumerate views as an admin through PowerShell you can't see it you can't see it you can't see it I think you see all views that are created against a view in the bottom of the list settings but I don't think it tells you if it's personal no you just got a URL in order to see the settings on that view you have to know that you have to pass in the page slash view slash my view.aspx whatever it might be you have to pass that in as a parameter into the PowerShell call so let me ask this is that for the SharePoint folks when would a SharePoint or will it ever have the ability to do impersonation will an admin be able to do impersonation ever in SharePoint or will you know is that something that people are asking for so an admin goes in and a user calls up and says hey my SharePoint view is all messed up this list is all messed up and that admin instead of doing a remote screen share or whatever can just go in and impersonate that user by clicking in and impersonate like you can on other platforms and be able to view what that user sees the only thing I've done is I've replicated that person as a different account I usually have about three or four accounts and then I tap that list or library as them but not as them they'll have the exact same permissions it's a very manual exercise yeah but also a personal view is linked to the area and that's a great way to do that the way SharePoint identity works is going to load your views from there a little bit the whole list view threshold ambiguous yeah saying that list view threshold and talking about personal views are we saying the list is super huge are we saying that the view is super huge and then he's saying like I'm suspecting that this is due to a personal view somewhere what is this is there a threshold on personal list views no there's no limit to the number of views are possible as far as I'm aware it's certainly huge whatever it is the 5000 item items is a different thing the views are ways to deal with extra large lists the view itself is not going to cause a list view threshold problem no I think what he's getting at is somebody else's personal view is about ready to hit that he's getting warnings about that it's not his he's trying to figure out whose it is that's kind of the way I read it and I was like hoping you PowerShell people would know pull out a thing of here's all the views and who the users they created those views and you're right and you can't do that the scenario though is how does he know so I'm thinking I'm Mohammed or myself in Mohammed shoes so is somebody complain to me that the list is super slow is that an alert that's your point generates that you got a ribbon that says you're either close or you're exceeding the 5000 limit but that's not per view that's the list does it go to the admin or does it go to the user whoever goes into the settings it's not pushed you have to go to the settings page to see it so the admin is seeing that knows it's not him and wants to know how do I how do I see the user or which personal view that's driving us towards the threshold this is what I was saying Christian how big is the list imagine the list just has one view the default items view how big is it so you're going to get a warning that says how many the list is close to or exceeding the limit for someone to say I suspect this is a personal view what is he suspecting is there a performance issue and therefore someone's flagging it to him as the admin to say hey my list is super slow my view of this list is super slow I don't understand what the what is he suspecting of or what is he suspicious of and there's a kind of more information needed I hate saying that because we ask that all the time but it doesn't all add up I don't think the views generate the warning or the error it's the list so that's what I think Mohammed is seeing and he checks his view well I'm under 5,000 why am I getting this I don't know you're getting not pure because of the size of the list just to can I ask a related question is that someone said can we impersonate inside a share point so can we impersonate anywhere in office 365 well no no I guess I asked from a share point perspective because yeah it would be useful in other applications like Outlook right and maybe things like planer and maybe things like being able to from an admin standpoint being able to troubleshoot and assist users great well it's also a security hole let's say I was the admin but they would have I'm going to pretend to be you today they would have to allow permission they would have to grant so it would be a grant process obviously but yeah I mean then you're not asking for someone like hey give me your username and password so I can log in as you so I can see what you're doing yeah I think I'll put that in the user voice alright question number two Puran says new to windows azure what are a few of the key quality metrics for azure VMs and VDIs that can be baselined and measured over a period of time just about everything that from a physical aspect the only thing you can't do is you know what they what you would do at the hardware level what you would do at the the level of looking at temperatures and things like that of bare metal hardware but everything else network wise bandwidth wise the four core RAM, CPU network so all of that stuff is things that you should be looking at from a baseline perspective and I will say this is that inside of azure monitor there is a way to actually initiate a baseline against a virtual machine inside of monitor so you need to go and investigate that I'll look up the link but they added that to the monitor and it comes out as a monitor feeds into azure advisor azure advisor will tell you from a performance perspective you should be looking at this on your VM and from the VDI standpoint as well obviously VDIs are just pools of virtual machines a lot depends on whether you're using shared sessions or kind of personal sessions also depends which VDI solution you're using azure supports we have a native windows virtual desktop but you can also there are other solutions out there as well but fundamentally as Mike was saying the measurements are all the same the core measurements of CPU, memory, disk, network those are the things those make everything alright question number three from Patrick how can I make certain folders in my document library invisible to certain users in SharePoint online should we share your information vote for our new user voice submission on impersonation I think Norm's liking my idea here it's going to be a tough sell with compliant customers but it's a great idea I think I would go to what Sherry said originally replicate use of permissions with test account confirm well I think what they're asking is they want certain people to see folders and other people not to which is bad folder permissions has always been bad if it's really that different than they need to have a different document library in my opinion but my concern is that they're trying to secure folders that are probably tied to teams that's another thing right yeah so I mean it's like what is this it's kind of hard to answer that with that much information but what's the business requirement behind that yeah and if it's teams linked private channels probably answer yeah that's very broad response I mean I put a link in the chat basically saying folder permissions are bad but if you had to that's how you would do it so anybody else have good opinions about folder permissions there's a time I yeah I found that they fail more often than not they just for some reason it doesn't stick so no the problem is if you think of the folder is actually like a folder it's intended to mimic file system behavior but folders are list items just like other list items in SharePoint so alright question number 4 from Martin got next to her a little bit longer Martin says hi can anyone advise me in the best way to set up a search that only returns results from a specified SharePoint list I do not want to use the full site global search tool at the top of the site as this returns all results from the whole site I have a number of lists but need a different search function for each list hopefully you have an answer query rules yeah result sources and that's assuming he's using classic now if it's modern things kind of their parity is not there yet between modern and classic search this is a situation where the documentation will suggest classic search because you have greater control over will you actually have result sources and query rules and other things available to you yeah and also if you search within if you're in the list and you search there is like list search as well well there were the filter web parts too which were really helpful that are in classic that are not yet in modern unless I miss that release but that's one of my piece too that in the dynamic filters between them now we have sort of have that I put that together with something that didn't work the same way there's the PMP modern web parts of course they're not official Microsoft or PMP but they still attempt to replicate some of the functionality and if you're going to go with classic search a content query web part makes this painfully obvious if you're using the query builder where you're pulling results from so yeah and the other thing you can add to knowing classic is there's a what's it called STS under scroll list item you can filter that as well as your content class for the search yeah you're building a you know custom query I mean that would just be list items when necessarily filter to a specific list you could add that as well kind of a side question here do you see a lot of new to you know Office 365 using SharePoint so building out in you know modern so they're brand into the space they don't have a history of SharePoint then going and leveraging the classic or you know the classic capabilities or is it primarily people that have a history of SharePoint I'm doing the former right now for someone they have very specific needs around search and stuff that's stored in the library and they were kind of they were a rush lift and shift to modern and they lost a lot of what they had so we're basically building out some search functionality and classic specific to that site specific to that list but yeah it gets the job done I don't think people go out there and they search for help or for content they find me oh cool you can use a content query web part and then they go to modern not there where is it yeah so and they're like well can you still do this is like yeah in classic and they find out that way some things is like no I'm not building that in classic because it's too way too much work and it's going to be deprecated so you can wait until things show up in modern and other things they're like this is a business need they have to have it so impromptu pull of expenses there but so who's still a fan of classic thank you okay I get busted for that all the time I'm like I've been using it for 20 years I mean I like modern I like the holistic approach to being able to search across everything but when you want very specific detail and granular search and share point classic is still the way to go well yeah and they put band aids in my opinion they put band aids for features in modern instead of true functionality that we had in classic or should have had a classic for a really long time like being able to secure a view quizcom can do that why can't Microsoft do it you know there's you know just like if the add-ins can do it why couldn't Microsoft have done it in the last 20 years my opinion so well question number five from Martin I created production schedule for a manufacturer that's outside of my organization in excel and email to them as and when we have a new project starting up there are a number of drawings associated with the schedule that are PDF saved on my one drive I've added a hyperlink to the drawing against each component that requires manufacturing so that the manufacturer can see from the schedule what needs to be manufactured and can click the hyperlink to see the relevant drawing easily this all works when I am using it but it doesn't work for the manufacturer after I've emailed the excel sheets to them do I need to share access to the file where the drawings are on my one drive with the manufacturer to make this work or do I need to do something else share your files that's the answer I'll move to somewhere else can't see it if you can't access it so I put a link in the chat for that too the external sharing has to be turned on and to be sure to use anyone with a link so it doesn't limit it to people within your organization I don't know if that helps or not but yeah that's important anyone with this link can access yeah just a reminder anyone with the link that says allow only the registered people to access this just reminds me when people used to come to me I take it to these files as person shares because it's on their C drive yeah that was my first thought as well it's a feature that I really like now that I'm trying to again by default attach links to rather than attachments of course when there's email other things everything else that's happening in teams but it prompts you and lets you know that these people don't have access to this resource it's great to have that prompting right there as I'm creating that sharing do I know I need to okay it's sitting in a repository where they don't have access I need to go and that actually forces me then to ask that question of what type of content is this can I go put this in a personal one drive and share out it's something that I'm the owner and creator and I know what it is and treat do I need to go create another location that is within my network so that they have all the sensitivity and privacy and all those other controls in place but it just it forces me to realize that question the problem of course is when you put multiple steps in place make it more difficult to share the default for a lot of people is just I'm in a hurry I need to push this email out I need to send a link to these people I'll just attach it or I will just shove it into an unsecure personal one drive or other platform to share it out there and kind of go around some of the protections that your organization may have in place so that is a sharing or a like an ongoing battle that IT your governance body needs to review and see what are the habits of collaboration of our people can see a lot of that activity where something was shared and what's happening email where it goes outside of the guide rails that were created if you don't think your organization they may not be paying attention to it but they do have the ability to see that right so who do we lose here we lost Mike Mike now we can talk about him all right question six shiv says using SharePoint I would like to create a ticketing system to track and respond to clients concerns via emails what would be your best approach tools and advice fab 40 don't do it yeah you need business requirements around this it's like how many people need to touch it does it need an escalation process and you can't yeah that's that's too general in my opinion well my first response is why would you build this in SharePoint when there are existing tools out there that do this out of the box today literally just go purchase it and do it and do it well yeah it has the feel of organizations before they pay a lot for SharePoint so it becomes the very big hammer that they want to solve every problem with but then you're supporting that you're constantly adding it's not going to have all the functionality so you're going to spend so much time building it and then maintaining it and it will never be what the out of the box solutions are it just won't and and they just never look at what is the actual cost of do it or build it yourself and supporting that and scaling that over time low low hanging fruit they could build an issues list and attach a Microsoft form to it for them to submit yeah and then respond but and attach it to a team so more than one person can access it I mean but if that needs are need great if not you know again what are the business requirements yeah it might meet their need right now but the trajectory everybody knows it grows from there the first test is the first production release but yeah exactly especially if it's a smaller organization you don't have the funds to go and buy all these other tools that are out there sure but is 60% functionality with the out of the box capabilities I just stay away from custom building anything with the out of the box capabilities is 60% of the functionality good enough until you can afford to do that or to your organization is mature enough to know that you need to have that more advanced solution only be able to justify the additional cost right yeah yeah it's never cheaper to build it yourself yeah question 7 from Abdul Qader a manager creates a team and adds another owner to it when the owner he added creates the private channel as far as I tried the admin can't see the created private channel how can he do the seeing process how can he see it that's one that was translated into English so manager creates a team adds another owner but the owner then creates a private channel and the manager can't see it too many cooks in the kitchen well that's the visibility of the private channel like you have to be an owner or a member to be able to see it so the admin can go back and see that there are channels that are created you just can't see inside correct you have to be made an owner of that or a member to be able to see that so we're under permission yeah that's that's kind of how it's designed so depending on what they're trying to do this would be the need more information if there's something else that they're trying to do other than see what's happening with the private channel okay um question number eight Ashvin says I'm having a dumb moment with my 365 business premium account config and getting rid of the onmicrosoft.com domain I've tried changing the domain as a global admin in the admin page and verified and said my simplified website domain is default and also set the alias to a simplified domain as per my GoDaddy domain but it refuses to have my email accepted with the simplified domain what am I doing wrong yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I just did that I changed my hosting service because my other host was making me mad and what I realized that I did you have to change the DNS records on the host not at the registrar and my email got killed for about 24 hours because I figured it out yeah yeah it comes down to DNS on the network trying to remember the steps yeah and to your point because I mean the last time I did this it was a few years back I was trying to remember that you ran the same issue just you've got two locations to look at let's see question number nine Carl I have an issue trying to connect or send a message to someone external to my network using teams I have found his email and added him as a contact but he can't see my messages he has also done the same thing and I can't see his messages is there a setting or something I need to turn on or off to make this work if he federates it you should be able to see them he's saying added as a contact though it makes me almost think he's doing it with an outbook or something like that no you can add contacts to teams and I have this same problem working with Microsoft because I have a Microsoft account but I have to log in as then but somehow in our interaction during meetings we've had chat during where I've invited them to a teams meeting and now they're in my history but until I did that I couldn't I couldn't just you know pick them out of the chat list because they're not in my org but I was hoping somebody had a good answer for this one because I have the same problem so yeah I can't I don't know from Microsoft we just switched our teams to open federation which means we basically allow any connectivity to anyone else I don't know if there's I'm not overly familiar with the teams I've been sent to so I don't know if there's a setting there you can change but I can ping anyone in teams even people I've never spoken to before I just throw their email address in and it works seeing I tried to do that just inviting somebody else to a meeting it's like we can't you know invite them by email I type an email like person not found so I should be able to throw anybody in there right theoretically I think it might depend on your admin sensor setting so certainly for me and we at Microsoft we're basically wide open in terms of connecting to anybody but I guess there could be scenarios where someone I try to connect to doesn't have the same openness should we say or has a higher restriction on their connectivity and therefore they won't allow me but mostly I just I mean I get emails all the time I work with partners all the time and I just throw their email address into teams and I can connect instantly yeah like we're federated with so our at point with Microsoft and so I can add any Microsoft persons in it we'll add them in and find that but we have then controls externally it's not just open to anyone so I've gone in and you know add them in to teams or into my outlook and wait for that sync to happen to be able to add them so I've done that onesie-toosie collab talk for my other tenant it's wide open as well so I can just add an email and invite anybody so yep it depends on your settings so I know that at point controls that you know that that process so makes it more very manual for collaborating with anybody but that's also a request you can make if we have a partnership or something where we can go have other domains that are trusted domains added so that it becomes you know easy to add anybody else with companies that we're working closely with alright question number 10 in our 10 minute mark here left Andrew says hi all have been asked to design an environment for a client most of it is clear however I'm not much developers I'm an infrastructure guy I'm trying to determine how to pin it all together we need regional HA across a scalable container based app now I see we have container instances then there is front door with app services this is an Azure issue I see there is also AKS virtual nodes for on-demand scalability what I can't seem to easily determine is if front door will be used with AKS and container instances or is it even required is there a better option and then do I need to have the app service layer in front of the containers and cubes are there better options I just put a link in the chat window to Phil Gibson's GitHub location he's a bit of a star when it comes to Kubernetes and he's added something in there for front door as well front door is never a requirement but it does have benefits what are you building behind it I too am sure he was lost at HA I read that as somebody yelling HA I was like after that I was like I'm glad you all do thank you Neil okay he might also I want to throw this out there as an unashamed plug this is a classic Azure fast track engagement app services, Kubernetes depending on what they want to do with AKS or any other kind of container platform we get involved in this all the time so should consider that as an option that's something I've been prompted just from the services side it's part of premium services but basically I offered it to go in and review and help optimize my setup for my environments and it's not something that I've done because I have friends that do it for a living and I ask them questions and then they complain to me that I'm asking them a lot of questions that they usually charge people for and then I pull some dirty history that I have on that person and threaten them and move forward and everything's okay I'm kidding I'm kidding it's one of the benefits of being a non-drinker and going to a lot of events and having video and photographs I'm kidding I'll just say that one and this person knows who they are for that adventure that we had driving north of Vegas after SharePoint and going up to Area 51 and some video and pictures were taken along the way that were just hilarious but they have asked that they never be surfaced I still have them but they've never been surfaced evident waiting in the wings I'm happy because I know that wasn't me it was not you and we all know who they are so yeah we had the conversation offline afterwards so to close question 10 check out the link I just posted in the chat window and if they're really interested in an engagement Fast Track is completely free I know it's not a shame plug but this is kind of a definite scenario where we help and we know the quality of free a super high it's got me, you get me right? that's right, of course, there you go alright question 11 from Masume I want to delete a chat in teams from a year ago and I can't leave it says the administrator can't leave the chat so I can't leave and I can't delete or disable it can anyone help? well is it a teams chat or a one on one chat but if it's a one on one chat they can just hide it there's a hide option if they can't leave I don't know but if it's in a team then they'd have to leave the team yeah, delete the team or the team might have other artifacts they need to keep well, my other thought too is if it's a one on one chat and you've deleted it, which you can but if the other person is still engaged and they continue it you're right back in it, it comes back to you I can't remember if all the history is still there it's still an open exchange that happens between those two people because in a private chat that record is held on both sides so yep just like if you delete an email it doesn't delete everybody else's email that was part of that because chats are exchanged so it's exactly the same thing alright this might be our last question here, number 12 Shredev says I've transferred my mail server from G Suite to Microsoft 365 congratulations Shredev but my domain is currently staying with Google I want to shift my domain to Microsoft can anyone please suggest a process and cost involvement cost is zero and the process I just put in the chat window I've got the link do we want to just leave it to that like go check out the link well basically it's check out the link but you've got to consider what you're doing your mail records it's like a previous question we had I can even the MX records it's really a DNS question is where it records down to do they want teams do they want that sort of record over Microsoft they want to stay with G Suite is it just mail is there a website involved that kind of stuff all right I think we could squeeze in two more quick questions and I'm sad that Mike is not here for this one Ashley asked number 13 has anyone had issues with their calls dropping in teams our phone will ring two to three times and then the calls disconnect doesn't happen every time but today it happened about five times between a couple colleagues all I can put my hand in here I've got it yeah I have that randomly I'm going to assign that as homework to Mike to handle all of our telephony he's our go-to person when he's not here he is our go-to person for telephony questions and all right so really truly the last question we're going to be able to handle here Shredev is back another great question can anyone please help every time I sign in by selecting skip for now so skipping MFA how can I disable MFA permanently skipping MFA number one why would you do that number two yeah typically that skip for now is just ensuring you have ways to recover change your own password MFA if it's truly MFA and he's trying to avoid a second factor of authentication he's not going to be able to do it but yeah it's set off the admin bubble it's not when I put my debit card into the machine at Lowes and it says enter your pin or skip it's that kind of scenario right debit credit yep there's a reason I don't sign any of my cards yep I put ask for ID that's what I put too that's what I was given that advice when I got my my first bank card was actually somebody at the post office refused to take my credit card because by signing the back of the credit card you accept responsibility for the charges you make for it's like no honey that's when I signed the agreement for the credit card not the actual card itself and she went back and forth I was like fine you don't need my money then but I'm not signing the card or give me a pencil so I can write it right back off it's like you're handing him your signature that's ridiculous yeah I had I ran into that wall one time where somebody said the same thing thankfully there was a I can't remember where it was the store there's another teller there that walked around and said no actually you know because I said see driver's license or something like that so I had my ID right there which has your signature on there and was able to prove this is me so if you've got another form of ID people can't see the forest through the trees I mean you have to have that other form of ID that does have a signature but you know it's fancier it's more formal when it's embossed when it's you know under the plastic skin so yeah but now you just stick it in they don't even ask for your ID you just write anybody can use their credit card yeah they got the actually the whole the new Discover card I got I can just hold it up to the I guess it's a near field whatever it is just one step away from the chip in the palm Sean it's coming it's happening I know well thank you the bar code the QR code on your forehead well thank you everybody for participating I know we're we wrapped up we're out of time here so you'll thank Mike for showing up Sherry thanks for joining in we were wondering if this was going to you know we were going to have you know another face here so it was great to see everybody you'll be able to jump to exactly the topics and it's just it's sad that Mike went so long incredibly rude to have gone so long with the message center updates he should just assume that we're going to chat in between you know he should plan for that you think we're going to egg him on the whole time now he's going to yell at me offline yes yes he will so anyway well thanks a lot and we'll see everybody next time bye