 I watched my favorite movie of the Oscars season yesterday. Did you know? I did. That's good. I... Oh, what was it? Would you care to tell? It's the Irish one. Oh, ensuring what you... Yeah, whatever it's called. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love that movie. That's getting a lot of buzz. You see it yet? Not yet. Is it going? Yeah. Hey, welcome back to our YouTube direction with Corbin. I'm Colin Farrell. And I'm Mad Eye Moody. What platform is it on? HBO. Okay, great. Good to know. Give it a watch on E. I'm very biased to the Irish. Wonder why? Very biased. But it's a great film. It's getting tons of... It's a front-runner in so many categories on so many lists. I mean, I haven't seen hardly anything yet, so it's... Yeah. That's like one of the first things I watched that was... So in other words, you haven't seen any Oscar contenders. The first one you watched, it's your favorite. It's the Irish one. It's the Irish one. It's the front-runner. Ha ha ha. I'm Corbin, this is Rick. We do stupid stuff here. Yep, all the time. Including movie reviews. Which is what we're doing right now, you little shitheads. Wow. Whoa, sorry. Wow, wow. I know, I'm sorry. I got carried away. Well... Today, we're doing a movie review of the 2011 film. Yes. The Dirty Picture. Not to be confused with Girls in Tomasutra. That's true. Although, it might be. Which we've also seen in Reviewed, if you'd like to see a review of that one. It's true. Just to see it naked. Yeah. But this is a 2011 Hindi semi-audio-biographical comedy drama with starring Vidya Balin and Imran Hashmi and Naseeran Shah and a couple of people. But it's a Vidya Balin picture directed by... Melan Luthria. Melan Luthria. And it's a love story between actress and a director inspired by the life of the late South Indian actress, Silk Smitha, right? I believe that's close enough for hand grenades. And I don't think it's a, from what I was told, it's not a direct telling of her life. It's just loosely inspired and she's who they decided to do it. If it's not like a strict, like, this was her life. This is how we're telling it. It was more of a big Bollywood kind of production of kind of her life. Yeah, I guess. A little sprinkling of her life and all that. But it came out in 2011. So to be 100% spoiler for you, if you haven't watched it, go watch it, come back. We saw it on Netflix. So I believe it's there. Rick, your initial thoughts of the dirty picture. There's a line that's repeated in the film that's probably one of the more iconic and memorable of it, which is entertainment, entertainment, entertainment. And the first half of the film, that's what you get for me is entertainment, entertainment, entertainment. We'll talk about performances and things of that nature. But ultimately, when all is said and done, I didn't like it. Just overall, you didn't like it at all? I loved Vidya, loved her. I'd really love to see her tackle the actual biography of Silk. I think with what she was given, she did the best anyone could possibly do. But the film is a whole in some things that we can get into in the details, ultimately, for me. Especially in light of some of the things that we'll talk about again. I read a quote from Ekta Kapoor, one of the producers as to what she had said that this was India's answer to Boogie Nights, which came out four years prior. Oh, really? And that's remarkably not even in the same universe as Boogie Nights. This isn't even, to say that this was your answer to Boogie Nights is just, that shouldn't even be in the same sentence. So ultimately, it's the first half I loved. And it was really fun to watch with Andrani because she was hooting and hollering when people came on the screen and she got up and started dancing during Oolala. And, but she's halfway through, she stopped watching. She said, the movie ends for me here. I'm kind of, you can keep watching, but I'm done. Yeah, it was kind of a mixed bag for me as well. I was actually kind of hoping it kept that quarkiness of the first half, because it was really kind of like, almost kind of like a character of a lot of Bollywood, big producers, directors, and everything was characterized. Over the top, Neceritan Shaw being fucking hilarious. Right, over the top. Yeah, he was actually funny. And then it kind of almost switched and it wanted to be a little more serious. It started to take itself too seriously. And I'm like, I don't feel like you made this film. This is not, I feel like you set out to make the first half of the film. Exactly. And I agree. And I don't think it was bad by any stretch, but I also like, I was, as it went on, it was just like, I don't know that this is what I was really wanting from the first half of the film that I got. I was really enjoying like the Neceritan Shaw in the first half of the film. And her. Yeah, I was really enjoying the first half. And her performance in second, you could see why she's video-bodied, obviously, in certain moments. And I was like, yes, if you made the entire film that, yeah, that would have been great. But like, yeah, so I agree. It was a pretty mixed bag for me in terms of what the film got from me. It seems like it was kind of all over the place with what the story it also wanted to tell and new love interests that came in. I was like, where the fuck did that come from? I'm like, I don't know what the hell that is. And where the hell did that one go? Yeah, yeah. And so obviously, if any of that stuff was like, part of her life at all, and like the audience just knew that this is what they were kind of implying. It was kind of, I wish they would have, if that was the case, melded it a little better and as opposed to like, it felt like bullet point almost, right? Yeah. Ish at times. But I'll talk about the lot of stuff I liked. And let's talk about the, especially the first half. We'll get to video in a second, but Nassir Dinshah in the first half was great. I loved his performance. I loved the writing of his character in the first half. Me too. Because it was so ridiculous. Like, first of all, you came on the screen and you're like, okay, so this is supposed to be like Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan of the day, big sexy man, but he's like this ridiculously old man with this hot young, it's obviously that was a statement. Of course. They were trying to make. Exactly. But then when they made him be like the little boy and the director was like, just like a young child. Genius, genius. And that was like the vibe of the film that I was really enjoying. Poking, making fun of itself, making fun of Indian cinema just as a whole. Yeah, especially at the time. Yeah, and all that. So I loved his kind of quirky performance. I loved that he was in this style of film that was not his norm. Right. And which doesn't surprise me that, especially in the first half, that he liked a film that was kind of poking fun at a lot of the big Bollywood nests that he probably doesn't like very much. Absolutely. And so, especially in the second half, he kind of lost all the comedy almost. It was just turned into almost the, almost not really villain per se, but like bad guy. Yeah, I felt like the film knew what it was for the first half and then just tried to be something it wasn't second half. I agree. Vidya Balin, as always, is absolutely amazing. I love her. She oozes sexuality and also is not afraid of it. Which is really remarkable for big actress in Bollywood, especially at the times, right? Even now. Even now. It was quite telling of like how this person's story went and what's going on with Deepika and she decided to wear orange. I straight up said in one of the music numbers and the controversy that was supposed to arise from the musical number and I turned to Adrani and said, well, at least she wasn't wearing orange. Wearing orange and dressed and dancing all vulgarly. No, I agree. In the same way that Ronnie McCurgy has a sexuality about her that's unbridled, it was really fun to watch Vidya be just unbridled. And I really would love, truly, I would love to see her go into a real autobiographical film about silk where she could be full throttle all the time in a dramatic turn because I think she's, first of all, she's never looked perfect. She's never looked better. Absolutely beautiful. And I felt like the majority of her time, her choices were to try to, which is saying a lot, especially for the first half, I really felt like she was trying to incarnate, trying to be this person. I felt like she had a really good grasp on who she wanted to be rather than just show you. Would it be really easy for both of them to just show you a stereotype versus creating actual characters that push the line of ridiculousness. So yeah, I love her. Yeah, she's wonderful. She was absolutely great. And she's the kind of actor that when I watch her, I want to act with, which is the highest compliment I could give anybody. And in the second half when I... When you want to work with somebody. In the second half, when I kind of lost interest a little bit, she was the one that always drew me back in. That's it. Like, obviously, when she was kind of going through her mental breakdown and running out in the street, and I love those, I mean, she did amazing. I mean, I wasn't surprised in the slightest that she was bringing what she was bringing. She's like a great chef on the cooking show where everybody's given the boxes of ingredients that just don't seem to make sense. And then they can turn it into something that in spite of the ingredients, you're impressed with their creativity. It's exactly the analogy I would give for her performance in this, is that she took some stuff that had ingredients that just don't really seem to fit on their own, but because it was in her hands. I watched all the way through to the end, and I was most impressed not with the ingredients. I was impressed with her. Yeah, and I like a lot of the message of the film. I don't think it was particularly clear all the time though. Like, obviously of how women are treated in the industry, especially in Indian cinema of like, I mean, it's not just Indian cinema, it's Hollywood in general. It's getting a lot better now. From how it was of like, obviously the man could be a billion years old like Nasiruddin Shah, and his love interest is always gonna be this hot 20-year-old, but then once she turns 27, once her shelf life's over, she's gone. She's replaceable. And obviously, at times when they're asked to dance in certain ways to bring the spice, as they say, they're then vilified later for that said spice. Exactly. And so I liked the message of that, but also sometimes I felt like they, we're almost vilifying her at times. And I was like, I don't much like that. And like other times, I was like, I don't know what messaging you're trying to send here as opposed to just the, we need to change how we do things and not treat women this way of like, and there's nothing wrong with what she's wearing in the poster she's wearing, she's wearing orange and doing risque things. There's no actress right now that can relate to that. I don't think so. But like, it's also so funny, like some of the stuff that like people like freaked out about like of her and even to Pika, it's like they think she's dancing vulgarly. And like, how about your penis made you feel funny and you now feel bad about that. It's a sad, the larger takeaway for me was something the movie itself doesn't particularly address directly. Maybe it does directly. I don't know, you'd have to talk to the writers and the director, but something that we've consistently talked about and I've consistently seen, I talk about it with my wife is what I consider to be a very sad thing that's happened in Indian culture since the Kamasutra to today, in particular, what the puritanical prudishness of British occupation did to the- The culture. Culture. And religiousness, irrespective of what we're talking about with your belief system, you can give a name. There are way too many who impose a religious worldview on others that minimizes the blessing and the healthiness and the beauty of both male and female sexuality. And it's astonishing that it's that way. We've seen it in cinema, we've joked about the fact and it's not a joke, it's reality that the majority of scenes that depict anything relating to sex are cut to the item song, cut to the song. Let's see the sunflowers. No one's gonna kiss each other on the lips, which obviously, I was really happy with the kiss that she had on top of the car where it was mouth to mouth and we saw the kiss because she never kissed Nasir. They wanted us to think she kissed Nasir but she never kissed Nasir. And that is one of the more confounding things. It happens here too. I said that to Indrani while we were watching it last night. We weren't even watching this, we were watching something else. It was a news story that had to do with sexuality in some way, shape, or form and how I'm the only parent that I've ever heard of or known of who has openly said that I want my kids to have a really wonderful sex life and openly talk about that. And it's my understanding, for example, sex education isn't even really taught unless you're just talking about some basic hygiene things that sex education isn't even a part of the educational system in India. It was when I was, but that was a while ago. No, no, no, in India. Oh, in India. In India, yeah. And how the only way you're gonna learn certain things is through experimentation with your partner. And even then, how do you know you're getting that right? And if you bring up the subject of, hey, here's this little shock, some of you. Hey, somebody wanna have a class on how to properly perform cunnilingus? Uh-oh, well, Ksencer, shut it down. Stop, that's it. Well, how do you figure that out? Well, just keep it in private. We don't talk about those things. Well, it's a human expression. And that's one of the things that I felt like this could have gotten into, especially, I would have preferred it's so far afield, really, from what I've read about Silk's life. Don't even give her the name Silk because you're letting the audience, many of whom would have heard who she was maybe, and we'll see the movie and walk away and assume they know about her life. And to me, that does a really big disservice to her that you made the character her name and even gave a lot of even her death. The reality about Silk's death is not as straightforward as they made it in the film. And people could walk away and say, oh, poor Silk, I remember her. She was a movie actress who was kind of forced into porn and hated it. And then she killed herself with a pill overdose and wrote a really cogent letter about it. And that's just not factual. No, yeah, I don't feel like I know anymore about Silk. Like, I don't think I learned anything about Silk in this. And if you weren't supposed to, I don't know why it would be- Don't call herself. Right, it's like making a film where there's a sex symbol and you're calling her Marilyn, but it's not really gonna tell you anything about her life. So don't, everyone's gonna know who you're doing if it's a blonde bombshell named Marilyn in the 1960s and 50s. Oh, Abyshek casted this. I wonder if that was one of his first things he ever casted. I do too, because that was early on. Anyways, but yeah, so I think I was kind of enjoying this guy's love interest with her a little bit, but then that completely fell off real fast. Both of them kind of did. Yeah, and they didn't really give good reasons why either. We had the story at the beginning being told to us by Abraham. And then he disappears from the story for a very long time. So then he comes back. I didn't particularly believe the transformation and the challenge he was facing of this being a woman that he detested but couldn't help that he was drawn to. It just seemed very hollow. The main takeaway for me was the fun of watching Nassir and the master chef doing the best she could with the ingredients she was handed. So the first half, if it kept that kind of entertainment value and didn't really try to go into seriousness. Yeah, I think it could have been really, really good. Like even the end and the credits. I was waiting for an end credit number that was gonna be the wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We had so much fun being silly, didn't we? But there wasn't any of that, which again was the second half taking itself so seriously. Yeah, and yeah, I just didn't understand the chain. Like it could have been like, almost like a, because I know we haven't seen it yet, but Om Shanti Om is a spoof on Bollywood. And it's a full-on spoof. Like the entire thing I believe is almost like the first half. Everything is making fun of old-school Bollywood, the over-the-top acting, all that kind of stuff. And so that's almost what I was expecting a little bit. Me too. Especially with how the first half went. The tone change was strange. Yeah, and so, and I, dang it, I'm going off track with the thought just like you do. Something you had said about this. Dang it. Oh, that would've was. At moments, I thought I was watching the Dark Knight score. I don't remember the Dark Knight score in this. Yeah, was it? Yes, so much so. I looked up how close it was in proximity to the release of Dark Knight, and it's only a couple of years, but. Pre-year prior. No, Dark Knight was 2008. Yeah, 2008. So, I mean, it had the, it had bum, bum, that you, if you, I'm surprised it didn't hit you because it would, at moments I thought, okay, if Hans Zimmer's office heard this stuff, he might be a little peeved that some of this stuff was just copied, it was some of the scoring, and I also, the soap opera melodrama E-scoring, where every moment had a dun-dun-dun underneath, worked in the first half, but that tone with the score didn't happen. It remained in the second half, when it was scripted to be more serious, it still had the kind of scoring it had in the first half of the film, which didn't seem to match the feel for me. So, yeah, overall, a very mixed bag for me. Just, I loved Vidya. She's the reason I loved it. I loved a lot of stuff for the, in the first Heddling Nassir. I think he was a lot of fun, especially in the first half. Maybe I was just expecting a little something different from this film, especially since we just watched something with Silk in it, and we wanted to learn a lot more about her. Right. This isn't it. No, this isn't it, but. I'm with my wife. Yeah. Hoot and holler, laugh, dance, and then halfway through, watch something else. Yeah, watch something else. But let us know what you thought about this film, which will be our next Vidya Balin picture that we should watch. I know there's a lot more of her, and I would love to get to everything she's ever done. I love her. I know she's done. I think she's a very brave actress. No one killed Jessica. Hitchkey, right? The one where she is that one. Yeah. I think there's another one called, starting with an M. A lot of people. No, that's not the one I'm thinking of. My favorite. Oh, she is in Pod. Won't surprise you. What? My favorite of hers that we've seen. Hera? Kahani. Oh, yeah, obviously, yeah. I love Kahani. I don't know if I forgot about that one. But anyways, let us know what her next film of ours should be, our next film of hers should be. And Nassir. Especially, what about that one right there? I don't think that's a movie. It should be. I think it's just him on the beach being sexy. And next, a silk film. Yeah, is there one? A good, legitimate, and I'm sorry to say this, but in clothes, can you make one without the censor board or people getting up in arms? Because her life is quite erotic. I know. Make a shame. Let Hollywood make it. Or the French. Yeah. Anyways, let us know what you thought about this film down below.