 Welcome, and I am calling the order this meeting of the Arlington Select Board on Thursday, May 26, 2022. I am Select Board Chair Linda Diggins, and I will not confirm that all members and persons anticipated on the agenda are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in affirmative. I am Han. Yes. John Hurd. Yes. Steve Corsi. Yes. Eric Helvis. Yes. Staff, when I call your name, please respond in affirmative. Adam Chapter Lane. Yes. Doug Heim. Yes. And Board Administrator Ashley Mark is participating but not as a panelist. Tonight's meeting of the Arlington Select Board is being conducted remotely consistent with an Act signed into law on February 15, 2022, that extends certain COVID-19 measures. The Act includes an extension until July 15, 2022 of the remote meeting provisions of Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 executive orders suspending certain provisions of the meeting law. The governor's order, which is on the town's website and referenced with agenda materials for this meeting allows public bodies to meet entirely remotely as long as there is a reasonable public access that allows the public to follow along with the deliberations of the meeting. Before we begin, please note the following. This meeting is being conducted via Zoom. It is being recorded and it's also being simultaneously broadcast on ACMI. Second, persons wishing to join the meeting by Zoom may find information on how to do so on the town's website. Of course, participating by Zoom are reminded that they may be visible to others and if you want wish to participate, you are asked to provide your full name in the interest of developing a record of the meeting. Third, all participants are advised that people may be listening to do not provide comment, and those persons are not required to identify themselves. Both the Zoom participants and persons watching on ACMI can follow the post of the agenda materials, also found on the town's website using the novice agenda platform. And finally, each photo tonight will be taken by roll call. We have a lot to cover tonight, including the executive session, but before we do so, let me take a moment to acknowledge the passing of Elsie Fiori who lives in East Arlington and was a town meeting member 56 years. There's an excellent article about her on the year Arlington website. I also feel compelled to acknowledge the terrible event in Texas a couple of days ago. I really don't know what else to say that hasn't been said. I almost always avoid speaking on behalf of my colleagues, but I'll make an exception tonight by saying that I know that we're all willing to listen to you and hear how you feel about recent events. We try to find solutions on the local level, but we know that the national global events often have profound effects on us. At a minimum, let us try to cut each other some extra slack in our day to day interactions. If we can lighten the load and prevent or reduce stress in some way, even if it's just a little bit, let's try to do it. You may make a bigger difference than we realize. So with that, you'll turn to the second item on the agenda, which is the third quarter financial report with Mr. Puller and Ms. Cody. So since we're also very good at doing our reading our homework, I've asked that we try to keep the presentations mean to a minimum so that we can just ask as many questions as we want and maybe get through things a little bit faster. So with that, Mr. Poor Mr. Cody. If you're talking. Okay, it's Cody. I hear you. I'm not hearing Mr. Puller. This Cody will. Thank you. Good evening. Mr. Diggins, I cannot notice by, I cannot help it by notice that you're wearing the tie with my Romanian flag colors. So this makes me feel like home. Oh, that is my flag. Yes. Mr. Chairman, you're muted. So we see your smiling face but not your words. Okay, thank you. I'm happy. That's the case. Thank you. Thank you for having me here tonight. I will present the year to date budget report for the third quarter of the fiscal year 22. This report covers nine months from July 1 2021 through March 21 2022. Both expenses should be 75% for this time of the year and for the most part they are. I'm not going to say I said I'm going to try to stay brief. I know that you're familiar with the report. I'm just going to say that it has three parts. The first part is a narrative part where we explain the variances from the, that they are greater than 75% from the projection. part is a high-level summary where we present the total expenditures by department, total revenues by category. Also, separately, we present the articles and the enterprise funds for both revenue and expenditure. And third, we have the Munis report, which has all the details if you're interested in knowing more about whatever is behind this numbers. So I'm going to jump into the summary table. Do we have it on the screen? Would you mind sharing it? Yep, I can do that right now. Alright. So what I did, I just highlighted the department that I thought I should highlight. And then if you have any questions, you can let me know. I'll wait for... Sorry about that. There you go. Adam, you can go to the... If you can jump to the table, that's on page 3 or 4. So the first department there is the select board is below 75% is only at 66% and that's because we had a vacancy all year. The next one is the FINCOM. FINCOM is only at 57%, but that's because the board members get paid the stipend at the end of June, at the end of the fiscal year. Controllers, my department is low as well, but that's because we budgeted initially the senior staff, but my assistant retired. So we had a promotion from within. And we also hired a new person and both people are at a lower salary. The next department is the treasure collector is at 50% and that is because they had roughly around four vacancies throughout the year. Personnel is only at 69%, but the salary is at 75% is just the expenses. It's a timing issue. They haven't encumbered all the funds yet. Town clerk is at 65% and again the same day. This doesn't capture the expenses that we had at the April election and also the town meeting. Election department is 13%, but do not worry, we'll spend it all and we'll probably be a little over after this town meeting. And after, I mean, the April election was posted, but it's not reflected in this report. Planning is at 67% because they've had four vacancies for a short period of time. Redevelopment board is just a timing issue. Now they've spent more funds and they're right where they're supposed to be. Parking ticket parking is the same thing. They had a vacancy. Inspectioned department is at 57%. That's because there's a difference in the director's pay. The previous director was paid $600 more than the current director. And they also had a vacancy. Public works is at 84%. It's a little high, but if you see there, they have encumbered a lot of funds. They usually encumbered the contracted services at the beginning of the fiscal year. Health department is really high. It's at 96%, but they have included this. There's about $200,000 in CARES and ARPA funds, which we have reclassed since, and now they're in a good shape. Diversity, equity, and inclusion, they're at 49%, but that's because they didn't spend the consulting money that they had. But I spoke with them and they've actually they will be pulling a purchase order this month in about the amount of around $26,000. And that this concludes the general fund expenses, the operating expenses. I will move to the other expenses and there's really not much to add here. We just have the transfers, which occur a little up. The transfers occur at the beginning of the fiscal year. I usually post them on July 1st. Then I have the debt is at 92%, but that's actually spent now. We only have 22 cents. We paid all the debt for this year, I mean. And the pensions, same thing, we're paying them in July. So they're 100%. Next, I have the articles. And same thing, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the one articles. If you want to move down a little, Adam, I'm just going to say that the articles are on a two year cycle. In other words, we give the department the budget and we allow them to spend them over a two year period. Because of COVID, some of the expenditures were delayed. I also touched base with the department and I've adjusted the budget since I either turned back whatever it wasn't needed and we couldn't spend it. I turned it back to the pre-cash and some other funds were either encumbered or spent. The only one I'm going to highlight is the reclassification that's at 100%. That is all spent, but we're not spending it from here. This is the money that we set aside for job reclassifications. And what we do, we just move the budget and the money are being spent from the respective budgets. And that's all I have on the expense side. And I will move on to the revenue. Revenue, there are variances on the revenue, but just like in the expenses, they're all good variances. The transfers all show 100% because I post them all in the beginning of the fiscal year. Taxes are right where they are at 75%. The excise, motor vehicle excise tax is at 115%. That is because this is one of the revenues that we had to lower by approximately a million dollars. But we had to do that to account for the impact of COVID on the auto industry. But now it looks like we're coming back and I've actually looked at the accounts right before the meeting and we're $820,000 over as of right now. Over meaning to the good. The next one I would highlight is the fees. And we are at 107%. This is mostly coming from the ambulance fees, the street openings fees. There was a lot of markups at the DPWU for the utilities company and companies and also the clerk, the town clerk. They had a big payment in March, which bumped the their projection in the amount of roughly $19,000. It was for an environmental design review. Licence and permits, the same thing the building, it's mostly from the building permits and the wire permits in the inspections department. The school, that's for the Medicaid reimbursement and the school has been aggressive with the Medicaid billing. They've hired a company PCG public consulting group to send the billing and they had a good collection. Pilot, it wasn't conservative estimate of $18,000 by the assessor actually built two not-for-profit agencies in the amount of $23,000. The total is $25,526. And we've already collected the payment from $123,000. We're just waiting for the other one, the $2,500. Hotel tax and meal tax, they're high because we lowered it. Same thing to impact, to account for the COVID impact. And then marijuana is $109. And I'm going to pause here because Ms. Mahan requested some details on the marijuana revenues. Just wanted to let you know that we have two revenue streams on the marijuana. We have the application fees. And we also have the excise that comes quarterly on the cherry sheet. It's a wire from the state. The application fees, we had the apotheca, the, I believe that there was the impact fee of $100,000. We received that money in 2019. And that already close to the free cash. Then in 2020, we had four applications in the amount of $250. So that's $1,000. In 2021, we had two applications each of 250. So that makes it $500. And then this year, this fiscal year, we only had one application of $250. This are going in a separate account. And we also have an excise account, which is the one that you see here, that says marijuana tax. This year, we received $264.79. And we only posted three quarters. So this is going to look really good by the end of June. In fiscal year 21, we received an excise $158.127 in marijuana. The interest is at 51% only because, as you know, the interest rates have plummeted. And we actually do have all the interest posted through March 31st. So it is what it is. Eda, maybe we can wrap up soon. I know that Slipboard has a lot on its agenda. Okay, just the fines, the moving violations has picked up. And yeah, we're at 86%. I'll move on to the enterprise funds. The enterprise funds are right where they are, where they're supposed to be. The water and sewer, the expenses is at 79%, but that's because we posted the indirect at the beginning of the fiscal year. The revenue is a little behind, it's a 73%, but the water and sewer bills were due yesterday. So we're going to see good collections in May and June. The AYCC is collecting, both revenue and collections have increased because of increased services. COA is a little low in the 66%, but that's because we had the construction of the central school. And they also ran some expenses through the donations. They have a lot of donations. The rink and the recreation, they're in good shape. They've seen a lot of increases in programs. And there are still entries to be posted. At the time I printed this report, we didn't finish all the credit cards adjustments. So, but they're both in good shape. And that's it. If you have any questions, RCND, if you have anything to add? Mr. Chairman, I think if there are any questions from the members, we'd be glad to answer them. Otherwise, I think that's our presentation. Well, thank you very much. So I'm going to go down the line on this one using first names in alphabetical order. And some of some issues will just take hands up. So, Ms. Mahan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Cody and Mr. Cooler. The first three points quickly, excuse me, the first two were just, all of a sudden, I'm sorry, just directed as a town manager, deputy town manager, just sort of as a pointing out point. I know Ms. Cody spoke about the council on aging and, you know, because of the construction, et cetera. It goes without saying that we anticipate that number, as well as the outreach is getting back out of the community centers up and running. So we anticipate that number will go back up again. And they're nodding yes. Okay. And then the second one, if I say anything that I shouldn't be saying, the town council could stop me under collective bargaining. I know that the chairman of finance committee reported the town meeting that there's discussions and he hopes that there'll be something to report within the current regular town meeting. And if it's appropriate, I just, you know, if that's something that you, Mr. Chapterline, Adam, before June 17th, could possibly nail down. And I know you're trying, I'm not saying you're not. And it may come that that doesn't come to pass. But so I understand why that's zero right now, because we haven't settled with all the unions. Is that correct? That is correct. We went to the finance committee last night to get its approval of our contracts with the fire union with ask me, which ratified their vote on a in town hall on Wednesday with the librarians and with and then we went forward with making salary changes, cola changes for our non union staff to the management staff and our elected officials. We are in arbitration with the patrol union. And we have not had discussions, active discussions with the superior officers. I think they are waiting to see what the patrol union comes up with. And SEIU also has a contract that's in place this year. And we need to conduct negotiations with them for next year. Thank you. And then hardly come up at next Wednesday's meeting for ratification of those contracts. I just mentioned. Thank you. I appreciate that. And then last one is just a question. I know it's brand new that our veteran service director has established. But I've seen, I think at least two obituary memoriams asking people to donate to the town's veterans fund. As that money comes in, is that a separate line item or does that go somewhere just under general, general fund? Typically all the money that come to the town should be general fund. But I'm not sure I know exactly which donations you're talking about. So I might have to look into it. Okay. If someone could check with Mr. Chung. Well, because I know I'm going by memory, but I know he established he wanted to have a separate like line item. I don't know. I don't think it was an enterprise fund, but something that if people wanted to donate to the Allington Veterans Fund, I've seen it twice now because I made one donation to it. So whatever way that can be tracked separately that Mr. Poole and or Miss Cody think is appropriate, just because I think Mr. Chung also stated that part of the money, if not all of them would go to, I don't know if it was the Allington Center memoriam or something like that. So I know I don't anticipate seeing on that now, but I know it's it's starting to be noticed that if you want to in little flower sort of thing. And those are my three questions. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to move receipt. Thank you, Ms. Mohan. And next, Mr. Helmets. Thank you, Mr. Chair, a second and motion for receipt. I appreciate the diligent detailed report. I have no questions. Thanks, Mr. Helmets. Next, Mr. Herd. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I appreciate the presentation. I don't recall when we started doing these, but they are very helpful to get periodic updates of what's happened with the budget. And I always feel like I should be asking questions, but it's so detailed that it really not only gives us numbers, it explains any of the discrepancies. So I do appreciate that. And I appreciate the time that you both take to give us the presentation. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Herd. Mr. Corsi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, I also want to thank Ms. Cody and Mr. Poole for the thorough presentation. Just a very brief comment. Happy to see that local receipts are as strong as they are, and particularly the building permit fees. And hopefully that bodes well for new growth and fiscal 24, as these projects are built and more value is created. So thank you very much for the presentation. Thank you, Mr. Corsi. And I share the appreciation of my colleagues being for a great report. And as Mr. Herd said, you explained some things so well to me that they really mean most of my question is curiosity questions. And I'm going to save those for the fourth quarter report. Assuming we have less heavy agenda on that meeting. So a motion to receive by Mrs. Mahan and a second by Mr. Mr. Helmets. Mr. Heine. Mr. Herd. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Helmets. Yes. Mrs. Mahan. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Diggins. Yes. It's unanimous full. Thank you, everybody. And so third on the agenda is for approval, the LGBTQIA Rainbow Commission pride proclamation. So with us tonight will be Mr. Rubenstein and Ms. Krinsky. The Rainbow Commission. Mr. Chairman, I don't see either of those names, but I do see Susan Ryan Volmer. Okay. All right. So then we'll have Susan and maybe maybe Ms. Ryan Volmer told me that she was going to be the one here. I knew that she was going to speak at some point, but I thought she might be brought in by the co-chairs, you know. Oh, Ms. Ryan Volmer. I'm sorry for the confusion. Lisa Krinsky isn't able to be here tonight. She's, and Andy is our immediate past co-chair of the Commission. And I succeeded Andy in that position. So. Okay. Got you. Got you. And I'm just reading what's here. You would think me having attended the meetings. I remember these things, but sometimes I'm just reading what's in front of me just because that's safer. So as we talked, I'm not going to go through the entire proclamation tonight. I mean, I'm going to save that for 12th where I mean, I can do it in person. And I have a hat that matches this tie that I'm going to wear. It's like a cat in a hat, top hat. And so I'll wear that. But we do want to point out a new element being to the proclamation. And so please take it away. Sure. In past years, the proclamation has highlighted the close partnerships that the Rainbow Commission enjoys with the Human Rights Commission and the Disability Commission. But this year for the first time, we're highlighting the very close working relationships that we've developed with the Towns Office of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and the Towns Police Department. And we thought it might be meaningful if we explained why we did this. So I just want to share a brief story. Since 2020, trust me, it's brief, even though I say 2020. The Rainbow Commission, we've worked quite closely with Director Jill Harvey of the Office of DEI. And during the same period, we've also worked very closely with the APD through Chief Julie Flaherty. And usually when we talk about, you know, close working relationships, we use phrases like collaborative partnerships, creating trust and it's very squishy. And what does it actually mean? So I want to tell you one story that shows in a concrete way what can come about from these kind of close partnerships. In 2020, Chief Flaherty asked the Rainbow Commission to review the department's policy on interacting with transgender individuals. With Chief Flaherty's permission, we shared the policy with two national experts in criminal legal matters relating to LGBTQIA plus people. They reviewed the policy, they said, as these things go, the policy was pretty good, but they offered a bunch of suggestions, all of which Chief Flaherty accepted. And last March, we invited Lieutenant Greg Flavin to come to our meeting and just share with the commission how the new policy was implemented and whether or not it's making any difference. So he explained how the new policy was presented to APD. He described the training that the force received. And then he shared quite a few stories about the impact of the new policy in the field, one of which I want to share with you. There was an instance in which APD responded to a call involving a resident who's transgender in this, the call was related to this individual was in crisis. As an aside, I should emphasize say that Lieutenant Flavin emphasized to us that nothing makes him happier than a boring shift. He does not like it when things get interesting. So to that end on this call, the officers knew when they came to this individual whose physical appearance and presentation didn't match their official sex information on their progress license, not to make a big deal out of it. They simply asked the individual how they wanted to be addressed, what name should they use and for the purposes of filling out a form, what pronoun should they use. And in this particular instance, there were other first responders at the scene from outside jurisdictions who didn't have the training that APD had on how to interact with transgender individuals. And these responders consistently misgendered the individual which escalated the situation. So APD responders were now in a position not just of dealing with the individual, but also having to mitigate the problems that were being caused by other folks, you know, who were causing the situation to escalate. And in the end, the officers de-escalated the situation, largely by treating the individual with respect, which is what everyone deserves. This might not sound like a big deal. It's a very big deal for residents who are transgender. In Massachusetts, a 2015 survey found that over half of people who are transgender or gender diverse have been mistreated by law enforcement and also surprisingly by health care clinicians. Those are the two groups that are the worst. So just as a result of this, you know, the squishy creating trust building community, it resulted in something concrete and tangible for somebody who lives in town. So thank you, Mr. Ryan Valmer. I like the way you ended that the squishy and the kind of create that's very, very, very nice. So help me out, Mrs. Mahan. When it comes to the proclamations, do we take a motion on this and does that happen before after reading part of the proclamation? Just historically, when it's on the agenda, we take a vote and move approval. Okay. Before after reading either chairs discretion. So great. I mean, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to read the last two warehouses and like I said, when we are when we're at the event, I mean, we're going to have fun with this because my understanding is that we can really have a we can do things with the whereas with the crowd. So so and I'm going to do the last two because the second to the last one points out what you just said, Ms. Ryan Gauldman. So whereas that lbg lgbtqia plus community in Arlington is resilient, creative and innovative and enjoys strong allied partnerships with the town's Human Rights Commission, Disability Commission, Council on Aging, Council for Arts and Culture, Office of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, Police Department and numerous other groups, residents and elected officials that support the lgbtqia plus Rainbow Commission's work to bring greater visibility and empowerment to the lgbtqia plus population through education, advocacy and collaboration with other town agencies, schools and communities and community groups and whereas celebrating lgbtqia plus Pride Month in part by displaying Rainbow Commission flags in Arlington Center and issuing disproclamation or outward representations of the town's commitment to the full inclusion of the lgbtqia plus community in Arlington's civic life now. Therefore, be it resolved that we, the members of the Select Board, reaffirm our support for equal protections for lgbtqia plus residents of Arlington, be it further resolved that we designate June 22 as lgbtqia plus Pride Month in Arlington. So with that, I now go to Mr. Helmets. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I proudly move approval. Thank you, Ms. Ryan Volmer, for sharing the story and the news of the additions to the collaborations and the proclamation. I think it's really wonderful to observe that and really important to point out that the town of Arlington doesn't just talk to talk, but it walks to walk. And I think that story and the outreach that our chief of police did to develop policies and training is what made that that situation so much better when it came up. I'm glad to know that we're acknowledging the longstanding collaboration with Director Harvey in the DEI division because truly she and her and her colleagues that do so much with you and you do as well. So it is a lot to be proud of. And you know, this is the difficult time for everyone in our nation for a lot of reasons. And one of those is that we are saying a continued resurgence of intolerance and hate based on just who people are. And it seems to be harder and harder for some folks to just. Let people be who they are and and trust them to know who they are. And I'm really pleased that we have such good efforts by you and your colleagues on the commission and your partners in town government and other groups in town to take a stand here in Arlington to say that we do affirm dignity and equality and and human rights in pride. So thank you for what you're doing. And I look forward to seeing you at the festival. Thank you, Mr. Helmets. This is going to be a hands up situation. So I'll take a second for anyone who wants to make any comments later. I saw Mr. Hurts hand up for the second, you know, any other comments, any questions or anything from any of those members. Is behind to my colleague, Mr. Helmets or Max Ditto to Ryan Volmar. Thank you so much for your effort on this and other committees. And I'm really pleased and encouraged of the many partnerships that you're not only stating but actually are establishing a working relationship with certainly with Arlington Police Department, who you and I have both spoken about and sung their praises as well as highlighted some areas that, you know, because policing is being done a different way. Arlington Police Department needs to respond that way. And I think they have. But I also want to put a plug in similar to when you encounter, you know, a transgender individual, whether it's a youth or an adult. I'm also pleased and hope you continue to foster the relationship with the Disability Commission, especially around those youth and adults who have severe special needs, where a not similar to interaction with transgender individuals, but we're in normal interaction that a police officer or somebody else would have, could also escalate the situation. And I know Arlington Police Department has been trained on that. But we need to, you know, continue to do that. And I'm thrilled that you're starting to foster that connection there along with diversity, equity, inclusion and everything else that. And I can't wait to see the chairman with his hat with the tie because he's a fly guy. And I'll see you in June. Thank you. I'm not promising a tie on the falls. I mean, it all depends on the temperature, the hat for sure. But we'll see. So, so, so anyone else? Mr. Herd. I guess I'll officially verbalize my second and just thank Mr. Ryan Vollmer for the presentation. I've pried, I always look forward to Pride Month. And I think there's a lot of activities that are really important to the town. But it's also in a town that sometimes we don't always disagree. It seems like everyone agrees with Pride. And it's just really a happy occasion going into summer. But I do enjoy the festivities and the decorations around town. And it's a really great way for town residents to unite in support of the Pride cause. And I am very happy to hear the presentation about the partnership with the police department and the real world, the facts that that partnership has had. And, you know, I certainly thank the police department and Chief Flaherty for reaching out. But I do want to thank the Rainbow Commission for accepting their well being willing to help them in doing some work to help make the police department have the best policies that they can relative to transgender individuals. That's very important. And just like in many, many ways, Arlington seems to lead the way for the season towns around us. And I think that's another way that we can do so once word spreads. And I look forward to what comes of that. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Heron. Mr. Corsi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I'm also proud to join my colleagues in approving the proclamation. Mr. Ryan Volner, I want to thank you for the presentation tonight and for all the work you do. And I think, as Mr. Helm has said, this is really an important time where there are concerns across our country within intolerance and where we can reaffirm our support here through these actions and other actions. I think it's very important to do so. So thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Corsi. And I'm not being lazy. I really can't add anything to what my colleagues have said. I mean, so I'm going to leave it there and say that. Well, I actually just ask you once again to tell us me when the Pride Festival is and where, Mr. Ryan Volner? Sure. The Pride Festival is June 12th next to Town Hall. That I forget what it's called. But it's the green space. From two to five. And on three nights, we're having crosswalk paintings in East Arlington, Arlington Center in Arlington Heights. And I am a horrible human being because I can't remember which nights they're on. That's OK. I'm sorry. I'm out of my head. I'm sorry. I put you on the spot. I have any of you and all of you there with us there. Last year, we had 50 people of all ages and there's nothing like watching elementary and middle school students painting the streets. They're a little bit out of control and it's fun. Great. What time is it on the 12th? The 12th from two to five. OK, great. Thank you. So so on a motion to approve the proclamation by Mr. Hurd and I'm sorry, but Mr. Helmets and a second by Mr. Hurd, Mr. Heim. To her. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Helmets. Yes. This is mom. Yes. Mr. Dickens. Yes. She has. Thank you. See you on the 12th and that before. And so so we now move to the consent agenda. Items four through eight. So number four, Minnesota meetings, April 20, 20, 22nd and May 16, 2022. Number five for approval, Boston Women's Market at Woodmore Park on Saturday, August 13, 2022, from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. And number six, request special one day bearing one license on May 28, 2022 at Providence Library for a private event. Number seven, request a special one day beer and wine license June 3, 2022 at Robbins Memorial Town Hall for a private event. And lastly, number eight, request special one day beer and wine license June 4, 2022 at Robbins Memorial Town Hall for a private event. So with that, I go to Mr. Hurd. Thank you, Mr. Hurd. And anyone hands up for a second. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Corsi. Comments, questions. Anyone? All right. So motion for Mr. Hurd and a second from Mr. Corsi. Mr. Heim. Mr. Hurd. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Heim. Yes. Mrs. Mohan. Yes. Mr. Dades. Yes. And Mr. Corsi. Thank you. We're going to number nine. So we have an appointment for the LGBTQIA plus rainbow commission term to acquire on January 31st, 2025. Ms. Laura Goedelsen. Hi, I don't know. Am I supposed to just introduce myself or I wasn't sure what the process was here. That's fine. I was going to say hello and then ask if you want to tell us a few words, I mean, about yourself and why you want to be on the commission or better yet, why we should just be delighted to have you. Thank you. Thank you so much for giving me the chance to introduce myself. My name is Laura Goedelsen and I have lived in Arlington for eight years. I live with my husband and two kids, one of whom is a first grader at the Pierce School and one who will be in kindergarten there in the fall. I am deeply committed to working on behalf of the LGBTQIA plus community. And I'm excited about working with the Arlington Rainbow Commission. I attended my first pride march in high school and I'm glad I got to be here for the earlier discussion about upcoming celebrations in Arlington and I'm proud to live someplace that takes these celebrations so seriously. I have close family and friends who are part of the LGBTQIA plus community. And although I'm an ally and not a member of the community, I've advocated for the community for many years and in many contexts. My particular interest in advocacy is ensuring that LGBTQIA plus children and adolescents are safe in our schools, represented in the curriculum and able to show up to every class with the confidence to be who they are and the knowledge that even if they are not fully comfortable to yet be out, they would be completely safe in doing so. I'm honored that the Rainbow Commission has accepted my application to serve and I can't wait to get to work. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Goedelsen. So with that, I will turn to Mr. Horsey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to move approval and thank Ms. Goedelsen for her willingness to serve on the Rainbow Commission. And also thank you for your community involvement to date with the different activities that you've been involved in and between the Salvo Homeless Coalition and just completing your work on the Civilian Police Advisory Committee. So thank you very much and happy, as I said, to move approval. Thank you, Mr. Horsey. I'll have to do a hands up on this one. Hi, Mr. Hearn. And it gets to second. And anyone who wants to add anything? So thank you. I will just add that it's been a pleasure working. I've seen you at work, I mean, in other venues, being I remember your work on the Police Civilian Advisory Board Study Committee, and in other venues. And I'll also add that allies are the best. They really are, you know, because it's something about an ally. It's either supportive in just a special way, you know? And I mean, I've been on the other side of that too. I mean, sometimes, I mean, if it's not your cause being, you feel as if you're giving even more, you know? And so I really appreciate all that you have done so far and what you're going to do on the Rainbow Commission. So with that being on, I will ask, well, actually on a motion to approve the appointment by Mr. Heard and I'm sorry, by Mr. DeCorsi and a second by Mr. Heard, Mr. Hyde. Mr. Heard. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Hearn. Yes. This is Mahan. Yes. And thank you, Ms. Gillison. Mr. Davis. Thank you. Yes. Yes. That was awesome. Thank you all. All right, see ya. So number 10, you know, appointment to the Board of Health in terms of expiry on January 31st, 2025, Ms. Laura White. Hello Ms. White. Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. You want to tell us a little bit about yourself, meaning why you want to be on the Board of Health? Sure. So I'm Laura White. I've been a member of the town living in Arlington since 2010. I have three kids in the town, and Audison, the Gibbs, and Pierce. My interest in the Board of Health stems a bit from my professional involvement. I work at the Boston University School of Public Health in the Department of Biostatistics and a faculty member there and specialize in infectious disease research. So I've been doing a fair bit in COVID, but other diseases as well. So I'm very interested in sort of seeing how my professional experience could potentially be helpful to the town as well as learn from, I think, what has been a really fantastic Department of Public Health we have in town and happy to just get involved and be a part of that effort. Thank you very much, me. And so with that, I turn to Ms. Mahan. Thank you, Mr. Chair. First, I'd like to move approval. And also to Ms. White. I don't know if I should say Dr. White. You've got me Ms. White. That's great. You call your doctor, you could serve in the school committee. Everybody's a doctor. Dr. Seuss. Anyway, thank you so much for dedicating, volunteering your time. Definitely couldn't afford to pay you what you're worth. You know, looking at what you said to be you. And since I have you here and you sort of captured captive audience just the Board of Health and Ms. Bongerno who's the Director of Health and Human Services here in Arlington is definitely aware of this and is willing to and has taken extra steps but I think more steps can be taken. So since you're gonna be a new brand new board member and you are a mom with three kids, I think one of the areas that the Board of Health does an exemplary job but we need to continue to get the word out is amongst, and especially around COVID and going forward any viruses or any other public health issue in the future is with severely disabled special need children as well as adults. I know I was working with Ms. Bongerno on the Board of Health, setting up home vaccinations for different people and I had a personal family member that I just happened to lament trying to do the clinic route and it just didn't work. And I was not aware of myself when Ms. Bongerno said, well, that family member would qualify and yeah. So I should know better and I did it. So and I've been telling other people in my group that have similar family member and I liked that but I think I know the Board of Health and Ms. Bongerno certainly has been doing everything they can but perhaps being in the school community and having those contacts, maybe that's something you could sort of explore and just the more we get the better. So thank you, I took way too much time but I'm very happy. No, it's great to hear. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Ms. Mahan. So this is gonna be another hands up situation. I'm Mr. Helmuth, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm happy to second this. I was just delighted when I read your letter and your resume and that it's nothing to do with the fact that I spent 23 years of my career at the BU School of Public Health working for Dr. Rosenblum. So Dr. White, thank you for being willing to serve and to contribute to your expertise. Your expertise in infectious disease and SUD, substance use disorders, as well as the epidemiology and biostatistics of COVID is just such a bullseye for so much of what the Board of Health has to contemplate. And we are really, really fortunate that you are willing to serve. So thank you. And I look forward to some continued great work coming from the Board of Health. Thank you, Mr. Helmuth. Anyone else? All right. Well, yes, I agree with both Mr. Mahan and Mr. Helmuth's meeting. And he apparently saw your resume. I did not and that's okay but I just knew I was gonna be impressed with it if I had seen it because there's usually some will not get in there that always makes me feel connected in some way but hey, you're totally qualified and you're joining a very qualified bunch of people in whom I place a lot of confidence. And I've always, I mean, I will support the decisions and I've told them, especially when it comes to COVID, you know, if you do something conservative, I mean, you can look for me to be behind you. So with the motion from Mrs. Mahan and a second from Mr. Helmuth on the approval of this appointment, Mr. Mahan. Mr. Herb. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Helmuth. Yes. Mrs. Mahan. Yes, thank you. Mr. Diggins. Yes, thank you very much. Thanks to Karen. Thank you, appreciate it. Welcome. So moving on to number 11, licenses and permits, outdoor restaurant and retail permit appellation for Kickstand Cafe. And so Mrs. Shea is gonna join us. And I think I'm gonna let you start it off, Miss Shea. Okay. Hi. Hi. First let me apologize. I'm just at the tail end of a COVID isolation. So I'm a little brain foggy. So if I'm not my normal clever self, that's my excuse. I'm feeling fine now, but I'm just getting over it. So normally the type of outdoor dining license that Kickstand has doesn't require an appearance before the board, but the initial arose with this year. So that's why I filed a resubmission and asked for the board to consider a specific issue related to it, which is what the exact perimeter of our patio is in the first two seasons of outdoor dining. We used both an area of our parking lot, which is clearly on my landlord's private property. And then that portion of the little, I'm sure you're mostly all familiar with the property there. There's like a little brick covered plaza that is partly owned by my landlord, but has a part through the middle of it that is, I don't pretend to understand the legality though, but not owned by us, owned either by the MBTA or the town or somebody, some governmental entity has the ownership of that piece where the railroad bed used to be. So the plaza, in the old days before the intersection was reconfigured, the bike path had a crosswalk at the very end of it that crossed you across one place and the way that you transverse to the other part of the bike path was through that plaza. When the intersection was redone, the sidewalks were all redone, that the intersection was given a traffic light and a crosswalk and the way of coming off the path is to turn right on its own place, wait at the light cross. And if you're a pedestrian, same thing, there's a crosswalk there, there are signals. So this year, I guess because some of the inspectional services received some complaints from people that a public way was being blocked off for our patio, they asked me to keep open that shortcut across the brick plaza. So I've done that since they asked me to do it and my permit application asks that I be allowed to block it off so that we can use it for tables and chairs as we have with past two patio seasons, which has been not to put too fine a point on it, but critical to our survival, the fact that we have so much outdoor space to play with has really allowed us to survive the pandemic. All right, is that administration, this shape? Great. Yeah, unless you have specific questions about it. And I'm not exactly sure what you want to hear from me about it, but that's the gist of why I'm here tonight. Yeah, no problem. I just didn't want to interrupt you if you weren't done. So I wasn't really requiring more input from you. So I'm going to turn to my colleagues first on this, unless Mr. Heim wants to say something, but I would imagine if he did, he put his N up, you know? So, okay, I'm just going to turn to my colleagues at this point and go to start with Mr. Helmuth. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think I just saw Mr. Heim's hand and this is a good thing because I had, oh, well, too bad I have a question for him anyway. I threw you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Heim, does the town council or the town manager, for that matter, have any concerns about either of the scenarios that were outlined? And I did read the extensive and helpful, very informative application, either of the plans that were submitted, just in terms of legal access to the property and controlling the property in order. Mr. Chairman? Oh, yes, please, Mr. Heim. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think what I would say is that while the property sort of arrives in its condition, it's a slightly more complicated avenue than our traditional street and plaza licenses to basically put out tables. It's really a very similar situation. If you look at Broadway Plaza, if you look at the various street permits that we offer to allow outdoor seating, certain part of the public way is encumbered by chairs and tables throughout proportion of the day. The sort of critical pieces that people can navigate their way through it that things are ADA compliant. I believe that's been vetted. This proposal was vetted for those purposes. So I suppose that's the way I would encourage the board to think about it. There is a layer about the MVTA property. The MVTA is a wonderful partner in many ways. They don't really engage us much with respect to any portion of land that might be part of their sort of piece of the public way. And so it's been a little bit difficult to navigate it. Unlike other parts of what was once the railbed, this is sort of accompanied by, as Ms. Shea sort of outlined, a perfectly accessible public sidewalk that you don't necessarily need to go through this particular area in order to get where you're going. In fact, given the CLAMP project a number of years ago, we didn't want people going through that anymore. We wanted people to need more accessible way. So I think that I don't want to elevate form over substance here. This is really not that different from other outdoor seating areas. It is a public way and you'd be permitting it and the revisions that are made here look like they're, A, making sure that this is transparent and B, making sure that when the kickstand cafe is not in operation, people can use this piece of the right of way in the same way that they can use sidewalks, parts of the way, plus, et cetera. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Heim. Mr. Chaplain, did you have anything you wanted to add or any comments about the proposal? Thank you, Mr. Chaplain. May I, only to just reiterate what Ms. Shea and Attorney Heim just said that from a practical point of view, the area has been designed to not use that space as a public way, maintaining the access, as Attorney Heim described, of course, is key, but the crosswalk is at the intersection of Mass Ave and Swan and it's not, you know, it is no longer designed even though there is a curb cut and an opening in the railing that is not, it's not designed to be utilized in that way right now. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and I find, you know, it's something else I really appreciated in Ms. Shea's application was just noting the investments that she has made for business for that public space, you know, and I think I view this really as, yes, you know, it's operating a business and I think it really valuable business, but also it's public, you know, maintaining that space and providing that space is also a service to the public in creating shared space that is one of the things we hear about the most from the residents is we want more businesses where there are cafes and outdoor seating and opportunities to socialize and meet up. And I think the fact that, you know, there's the shared private ownership of that and that you've made investments and that is really meaningful to me and we appreciate that. So I'd like to move that and I look to Attorney Heim to help me refine this motion if necessary, but move that we clarify our permit to, of that space so that the kickstand canopy can use the plaza area during the summer dining season as requested and subject to conditions, you know, from the Board of Health. I just further note that, you know, the Health Department had no concerns about either of the plans. So I'd like to go with the one that I think is the least burdensome and I'm persuaded that, you know, we're just fine with the status quo of the last couple of years given the actual traffic patterns and access that's there. Mr. Heim, is that suffice as a motion to accomplish what I want to? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Heim. I mean, so I'll take, we're just gonna go hands up on this one. Second. I heard Mr. Heim. Well, I actually, I saw Mr. Corsi's hand go up and since I said hands, I'm gonna go with Mr. Corsi on this one. So we'll go, and you've had a bunch of seconds, Mr. Heim. So we'll share one with Mr. Corsi. Anything you want to say to Mr. Corsi? Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I will second Mr. Helm's motion. I do want to thank Michelle for the detail and the application. I hope you are feeling better. And I'm in agreement with Mr. Helmeth. I appreciate you coming back to us on this issue, but I see the way the sidewalk is configured, the way the bike route is around the area there. I see this as a good use of the sidewalk by kickstand during the summer months. And to be honest with you, I walk by there a lot and I take the sidewalk, I take the right turn and it goes straight as I'm going down Mass Ave. And I think in a lot of instances, we've had approvals of restaurants on Mass Ave that you could argue are more disruptive in terms of what's going on, happy to support those. But I think this is a good use of the space. And it is unique space, as you said, because your sign is on your landlord's property on the other side of the plaza. So as you walk by it, you see the sign, then you have the right of way and then you have more space owned by your landlord. So I don't see an issue, I'm glad I'm happy to discuss it. I know the issue was raised and we're aware of what the concerns were, but I can certainly support this. Thank you, Mr. Corsi. Any other comments, questions, concerns? This is Mohan. Thank you, Mr. Chair and thank you, Ms. Shea. And just very briefly, yes, you're correct. It's MBTA land as is the Minuteman Trailway. That's also known as the bike path, but we're sort of the overseers of that. And also including this plaza. I just want to make it clear just on the record that you've also agreed in lieu of being permitted to use this public space that you're going to engage in sanitation as well as some beautification around the area. And I would just say if on the MBTA land, the plaza, if you see any bricks or displaced roots that you can see is going to be a possible slip and fall situation. If you could just notify the town and let us know and we'll make sure we let the MBTA know and then we'll decide from there who should make those improvements. But everything else in there and it's my understanding you've agreed to do this even though it's really just the land that your landlord owns but you've also agreed to keep the plaza clean due to some beautification and sanitation. So we are getting something back from you for use of the plaza. So thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Ohan. Anyone else? Well, my only question is, Mr. This is to you, Mr. Helmets. I mean, was your motion to allow me the current, well, the initially approved usage, which was full uses of that plaza, have it closed off only during our operation or for permanent all the time? No, well, it's so the application I had out like two scenarios and the preferred scenario for Ms. Jay was that they'd be able to block that off during the summer dining seasons for the duration of the permit so that they wouldn't have to try to install mobile barriers to open it back up and shut every day. And my reasoning for that was just being very satisfied that they're perfectly safe and logical and convenient traffic patterns on the sidewalk, which I get myself used as well. So that's my motion. That's fine too. So I was missing a detail in your motion. Sure. Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, I think it's my brain fog. My brain fog is caused by town meeting at 11 o'clock, but so yeah, I don't have to favor that anyways to me. So I have nothing more to add than to say I think I know where it's headed and so I wish you the best in the rest of the summer. So a motion to approve of our original approval, which is to allow the full usage of that plaza as you were originally granted permission by Mr. Helmuth and second by Mr. Corsi, Mr. Heim. Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I'm having my own brain fog for a moment. Have we treated these like public hearings in the past? My brain is now stuck, we have not, okay. Well, I don't know. I don't recall, you know, it's not listed here as a hearing, but that doesn't, that's enough. I'm sorry, I'm in the same place. Okay, Mr. Heard. Yes. Mr. Corsi. Yes. Mr. Helmuth. Yes, Mrs. Mohan. Yes, thank you. Mr. Davis. Yes. It's unanimous vote. Thank you, Ms. Shea. Take care. Thank you. Okay. So we move on to item number 12, which is discussion and approval or letter to mass housing regarding proposed 40B at 1021 through 1025 mass Af condominiums. We have Ms. Raid and Ms. Linema and you're listing on here, Mr. Heim. So who wants to go first? I'm gonna start, I'll start with Raid. You're listed top. You got top billing, so I'm sorry, Ms. Raid. Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. Jennifer Raid, Director of Planning and Community Development. So I'm just gonna quickly give an overview and then I'll open it up for any questions. Would that work for you? Yes, please. Okay. So on April 29th, the town received a letter from mass housing regarding the proposed 40B for mass Af condominiums. They were seeking comments from the town as part of the site eligibility letter process. We've gone through this previously for 1165R and Thornton Place. So you're familiar with this process, but I'm glad to answer any questions if you have them. So this is a project that would be 50 ownership units located at 1021 to 1027 mass Af. And we coordinated a site visit with representatives from the Conservation Commission, the Zoning Board of Appeals, mass housing, the developer and members of the public attended where we were able to walk the site, understand the plans that we had a copy of and ask any questions. We also requested comments from town departments, boards, commissions, others. And what we compiled for you that was included in the agenda was comments that we essentially summarized a number of different categories about how this development advances or addresses or has an impact on things like long-term planning, smart growth, affordability of housing, stormwater, conservation, environment, traffic, public safety, water sewer, utilities, et cetera. So it was a very comprehensive review for the materials that we had available to us that are provided as part of this, early application process. So now we're seeking the select board's comments. And initially these were due on May 30th, but we, given the timing, we can actually request additional time. And I would suggest that we provide the comments by June 17th, that's a Friday, which gives us another couple of weeks basically from today. So maybe another future meeting so that this board has sufficient time to, we can answer questions this evening as best we can, but to give you something a little bit more prepared in order to advance it, to provide comments to mass housing. So with that, I'll turn it back to, well, actually I'll check to see if Kelly or Doug would like to add anything, if that's okay, Mr. Chair. Yeah, please. Okay, excellent. Doug. I'll let Ms. Lynema speak to it first. No, I have nothing additional to add, although I'm here to answer questions if anyone has been, since I assisted in gathering their responses from various departments. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Hyde. Well, I just want to add a few practical notes. One of the things that's been, because folks mostly watching from home may have seen different versions of this. Instances where the board has opposed project eligibility, instances where the board has supported project eligibility, instances where the board has supported, but with some comment and I wouldn't say caveat, but some notations. In this case, one of the things that I think is valuable and important when you'll see in your materials is that these folks have worked proactively with the town to try to understand what some of the issues are in advance. And Ms. Ray or Ms. Lynema can correct me from my own, including with the Conservation Commission, which has been very helpful in this context. The board doesn't have to stake out a strong position. And the purposes of project eligibility are as mis-rated and sort of outlined in her drafts limited. It's not the board's role as the board will recall to actually evaluate the application, which isn't even in a place where you can fully evaluate it and see what conditions should be placed on the property. We're in a very preliminary phase and the board's wisdom can dictate any number of approaches to this. So if you have any questions specifically about project eligibility and what's within the scope of it, I'm happy to try to answer them, but I know the board has been through this several times. Thank you. Thank you, Zaheim. So with that, I am going to turn to Mr. Herd. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Are we looking for a motion to receive or a motion to approve? Well, it's discussion and approval. And so I think the deal is that we want to determine whether or not we can give enough approval to... Let me think this through a little bit more. Mis-rated stated that they can give us more time. I mean, so that this doesn't have to be like the approval. So we can say, we can give comments to mean and then they can come back to us. So I think it's a matter of how we want to approve it. So let's call approval and then go from there. So have you given us that motion? I will move approval. Subject to any objections by attorney Herd. Thank you for the presentation. Thank you, Ms. Rait. It's nice to be able to have you on for one more meeting and one more presentation. I was really happy with the thorough materials. I read through them all and it made me confident that the experts that we have in planning and DPW and on our conservation commission have everything under control as to what they're looking for and what they're going to expect from the application. I like the project. When we have the presentation, I think it's well suited for the area. And I do like the proactive steps that this applicant has made to work with the town. And I think the design that we've seen so far incorporates a lot of aspects that the town would like to see in this type of project. My one, the area that I have the most concern is probably the connection to Mass Ave with 50 units now coming in on and off of Mass Ave and how that will integrate with our current traffic patterns. But like I said, all of our current experts in town are on that and I'm sure we'll work with the applicant to alleviate the impact of any traffic disruptions from the project. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Heard. So this is going to be another hands up situation. And so anyone want to talk? Just put your hand up, Mr. Gohan. Second. I believe Mr. Heard's motion and not at the head will suffice with the first question. This is just the beginning preliminary stages. If as we move along down the pathway, there's something that a majority of the board or even individual member of the board finds very concerning. We can have that conversation and adjust accordingly. And I see nodding and to Ms. Radar, Ms. Lainema, then I'll try to make this really brief because I know it's beginning stages, but I also know that the planning department has received correspondence and especially interested around the conservation commission response as well as a response from our town engineer, Mr. Lainema, Wayne, and then the only other thing. And if it's in here, I apologize, but having going through this with the Myrak property. And I've had conversations with Mr. Chapter Lane, and I know he's been handling that. Even though the town doesn't have a direct responsibility, but invariably with these projects, I think it's a temporary thing. I think it's a temporary thing. I think it's a temporary thing. Increased road and issue. So I assume that would fall into the board of health. If you could kind of bring that to their attention. And it's a temporary thing. It's just during construction, but. I know the fire station, the fire house, house will be okay, but a lot of other people will be up on chairs, whether inside or outside. And then I guess what I would do is just maybe no. From com com and from the town engineer. And I would also acknowledge that this is beginning stages. But there are some. Points in there, especially around storm water and sewer that I'm. Concerned about along with my colleagues and you all are. So my first question would be. Some of the points. In. And I'll start with the town engineer's letter. I think it's a temporary thing. Regarding, you know, test tools. I and I. Connection as well as along. I think the sewer issue. Possibly putting in a T connection, which I honestly don't know what that means. Is. Our approval. With the comments from the town engineer. The city has to be resolved. And the town has to agree upon that. Maybe we might not agree on how they get resolved, but they are definitely going to get resolved. There will be an actual plan to. There's about six points in the town engineer's. Submission to the board. Largely under. Stormwater. Water. And I'll privately. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that. To you all, but. What is the status of that? Cause I know it's this. This should be done. You know, the, this whole should be done. Water sewer connection. How does that work? So. This is climate. This line of it. Sure. Yeah. Kelly. This is the director of the department of planning and community development. Thank you, Ms. Mom. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Essentially recommendations to the applicant. And as this is in the project eligibility stage, the applicant has not yet seen these comments. So these would be comments that would be sent to the applicant. They're also sent to mass housing. And they're, they provide an opportunity for the applicant to provide these and more detailed drawings as part of. Should the project advance to a comprehensive permit application. And they're also going to be sent to the applicant. And they're also going to be sent to the applicant. To receive a project eligibility letter. So these will be, these are basically a. Kind of a heads up for the applicant, but these are issues that the town is going to be looking at. Should the project advance. And these are issues that the town that the zoning board of appeals may want to require as part of its decision. On the comprehensive permit application. If we reach that point. Okay. So in the future. I'm going to, I'm going to. Whatever the applicant submits. Right now, just talking about Mr. Shannads memo to them. Will we receive the correspondence on the points under the three categories that I highlighted how they plan on addressing it. I'm not addressing it. So I please. Jenny or. Mr. High, please correct me if I'm wrong on this, a permit application, then correspondence will be between the Zoning Board of Appeals and the applicant through a public hearing process. We also will provide opportunities at various points for boards and committees, including the Select Board, to provide additional comment. And all of this information is publicly available on a page, a subpage of the Zoning Board of Appeals on the town website. So we will be posting these throughout the entire hearing process. And if I, through you, Mr. Chair, on this, on this point, and then I'll move on quickly to ConCon, if I could ask either Ms. Raid or Attorney Hine, is it appropriate for me for the, I don't want to go into it at the meeting, but the five or six concerns that seem really important to me that, A, I'd like to see them address and B, how they are addressed, that if I send that to Ms. Raid and receive a response back to the full Select Board, is that appropriate? I'm glad to take that. Okay, yeah, absolutely. That is absolutely appropriate right now. So if individual board members have questions or comments or concerns, this is the a really great time to communicate that to us so that we can put that into a letter. Of course, we'll be working with Attorney Hine on this letter drafting it. So if you have specific issues, if you think there's something important to emphasize, if you have some questions that you are, or issues that you know will be coming up in the future that you would like them to address, that you're aware of in that immediate vicinity that relate to traffic or other issues in the neighborhood, those are all important things to put into this comment letter. And I'll give you an example. In actually in the comments that we provided, we already made a note that they've proposed 50 home ownership units and of course 13 of those would be affordable and we say, you know, early in the process we would like you to provide at least half of them at a lower, you know, to people who make a lower income than what you would typically provide under Chapter 40B. So we're already, those are our comments and we're moving in that direction but you might agree, you might say something different and you might add on to other issues as well like the things that you've noted from the town engineer's letter and other concerns that you might have or things that are of interest to you about the design. There could be any number of different things that you comment on at this point. As Ms. Lyandima just said that we're looking for the comments that's basically feedback to the developer. They shape that in the application that formally should eventually get filed with the Zoning Board of Appeals. This is the first part that basically gives comments to mass housing so that eventually they can provide the project eligibility letter. And then that's when the clock starts with the Zoning Board of Appeals and also as was noted, we can come up back in the future and, you know, field additional comments from this board, share any materials. We have already started a page on the website so all of the materials are being shared at this point in time but we'll be happy to keep in touch with you over the course of this project. Okay, and if Ms. Lyandima could do me a huge favor that when I do send the email, the three under engineering are stormwater, water, and sewer. And for some reason if I, when I send you doesn't include one of those categories if you could just remind me. And then lastly on the conservation commission comments, A, since it's coming from the conservation commission, does that have a little more teeth to it in terms of they have to either, they have to address it either with the suggestions that ConCon made or something else that they deem to be parallel to what conservation commission is highlighted. I, you're addressing that too. I will start either with Ms. Ray. Sure, it would be, they would be wise to address the issues that have been raised. I mean, as part of their application process and particularly with the conservation commission, they will have to go through a separate, you know, permitting process after any, if any application that is, you know, eventually approved. So if there are, you know, if there's feedback from the commission that they have to incorporate into the development at this time, it would be very, I think that that would be very wise because they don't want to have to reconfigure the development in order to achieve those goals if they don't meet them in the future. So this is absolutely the time to address that. And yes, there's more teeth to it. Awesome. And then if I could just add one more thing to Ms. Platte that when I send an email, I'm going to highlight the questions on the four constant concom comments that at some point, I like the board to be sent just information how they get it addressed. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I apologize for taking so much. It's just flooding and I and I and all that's like, that's, I'm a water fog. So go there. No need to apologize. We're doing fine here. So I'm not trying to rush things. So thank you very much, Mead. And anyone else questions, comments? Mr. Deborsi? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And before I start, I also want to wish Ms. Ray well and thank her for her years of service to the town and wish you the best of luck at the Northern Middlesex Council of Governments. So I know this was the last meeting that you were sent. So best of luck to you. So just a couple of comments and I agree. I appreciated the proactive approach that the applicant took here and making presentation to us. I'm thinking back to the MIRAC original project eligibility application and a common period and the letter to mass housing in that instance came from the select board along with other comments from different committees in town or road departments. And for consistency and maybe a question for the turning time or Ms. Ray, I'm happy that we have additional time, but it seems to me for consistency, there should be some sort of cover letter from the select board on this consistent with our prior practice and consistent with the regulations. And I think if we have until June 17th, I guess I'll stop there and ask is that what you're envisioning on on the what would come back from the town or letter from perhaps signed by Mr. Diggins on behalf of the board? Ms. Ray, Ms. Lineman. That was the intention. Yes, the town comment letter was directed to the board. So we're sort of helping to gather all of the comments and Kelly is compile compiling everything. I think we still probably have some more outreach to do to in now that we have a little we'll have a little bit more time. We'll make sure that we have everything in place. You'll have your letter and then working with attorney Heim will make sure there's a cover message to mass housing that, you know, provides sort of the overview of all of the comments. Okay, now that and that sounds great. And I think given that and given that we have to the 17th, we have a meeting on the 13th. I whether this is a addition or differently amendment to Mr. Hertz motion, but I think it makes sense for the actual letter to or final draft of the letter to be put before the board that it's meeting maybe on June 13th, because we did have a situation with my rack where we had an initial draft. There was some comments and concerns that were raised and we were able to address us and get a final letter out. But are there any concerns that turn Heim misread or misline them or if we went about it that that way taking a look at a or approving a that the contents of the letter that the chair would probably sign on our behalf. I was right. I don't I don't see any problem with that. I think that that's this, you know, the same practice again. I think that that's that will work. Okay. All right. And just a clarification. This this came up. There was a comment that Tom meeting and we've had different comments to the extent that there are safe harbors that are in play here. Those would be asserted by the zoning board of appeals. That is not something that gets addressed in the project eligibility stages. I just ask if you could confirm if that's the case. Yes, that is the case. We we will and and and attorney I might want to add a little bit more to that about how that process works. So that yes, that is true. And Doug, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, Mr. Of course, it's a valuable comment and in question. So the two things that I really want to emphasize about this that any quote unquote safe harbor ability that the ZBA would have to assert is for the ZBA to assert. Folks can want them to assert it. But ultimately, they're the ones that have to vote when they receive the application to assert safe harbor status. And I just like to take a moment of everybody's time to remind folks what that means. It does not mean an outright rejection of a 40 B application. It means that at the end of the day, unless that safe harbor status is appealed by an applicant, the ZBA's decisions, the final decision, there's not an avenue to appeal to the VJC. So sometimes we talk about safe harbor status, if it means there will be no more 40 B applications that's not. And there are also types of safe harbor status that are static. In other words, there are safe harbor status that are the result of housing production plans that don't ask forever. And then there's safe harbor status due to general land area, safe harbor status due to actual actually having 10% of houses. So it's a little bit of a nuanced thing for the ZBA to assert that doesn't mean that they're rejecting something. It means that whatever they decide and approval with conditions and approval as applied or rejection ends with the ZBA doesn't advance to the HAC of the applicant's choices. Thank you. Thanks for the time. Mr. Corsi. That's it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for turning the time for that response. You're welcome. So any other comments, questions? Mr. Helms? Nothing to add to my comprehensive comments from my colleagues. I do appreciate the suggestion of taking some extra time. I think that'll be helpful to make sure that we get everything in on by the 17th. So thanks for the good work on this. Thank you, Mr. Helms. Yes, I was impressed. A quick question to probably misrate me. How many people went on the tour? Were there like 10 people? Yeah, I think about 10. Yeah, it was actually posted as a public meeting. And so there were three members of the public who also were there. Great. Thanks. So yeah, I'm impressed with what we've seen so far from the town. And I did like the suggestion of making the private garden or park accessible to the public. Not only, I think, to just kind of integrate it into the public, but also as a way to teach the public how to do that kind of garden or park in such an area within invasive trees or plants. So I look forward to seeing this move along. And so I have nothing else to add other than to say. Thank you also. But as I said, an email because we're going to be in touch. This doesn't have to be goodbye. It'll just be so long. And I look forward to interacting with you a lot more because I have just learned so much from you. You've always been so open and accommodating. Just a real wonderful resource being to the town. And so you're going to be in the region. And you know how I feel about the region. And so we're going to be working together on various things in one way or another. So thank you and look forward to seeing you around. So a motion from Mr. Heard me for an approval and a second from Mr. Mahan. Mr. Mahan. Just so I'm clear, Mr. Chair, the motion is going to be that the board is approving what the planning directors put together tonight. We will develop a cover letter that will subsequently and further detail the select board's comments, including any individual comments that are provided or questions from Mr. Mahan or any other board members to be transmitted following the June 13th meeting, correct? Yes. Thanks, sir. Mr. Heard. Yes. Mr. DeCorsi. Yes. Mr. Helman. Yes. Mrs. Mahan. Yes. Mr. DeCorsi. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And moving on, let me just pull it one window. Screen went to sleep. So we have item 13 discussion on Mass App Parking. The Mass App Parking study near the Apton Street and Mass App intersection. And that's going to be with Mr. Anstapp's meeting. So Mr. Corsi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This had come up as the board knows last fall. And at that time, I recused myself because I have a relative who was a business owner on the block nearby this intersection. So consistent with that recusal, I'm going to recuse myself from the discussion again this evening. Thank you, Mr. Corsi. So in terms of letting you know when we are done, will you handle that, Mr. Chaplain? Yes. I'd be happy to contact Mr. DeCorsi to let him know. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. So all right, Ms. Ampsons. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And oh, do you need screen sharing, Ben? Not only if you'd like to bring up the report, but I will just say a few words. I didn't create a separate presentation for this. But thank you. Yes. Good evening, everyone. Good evening, Mr. Chair. So this is the, as you may recall, this was a request of the select board from this last fall related to the Mass Appleton area and that intersection. And so staff again went ahead and collected data from that intersection about parking and the area that we looked at was along Mass Ave from Richard Sudav to Fessenden Road, Forest Street from Mass Ave to Pierce Street, Appleton Street from Mass Ave to Acton Street, Appleton Place from Mass Ave to Byrd Street and then Byrd Street from Mass Ave to Appleton Place. And so that was the area, there's a map that was included with the materials as well that goes along with the report. And so the sort of study or report is broken into a number of sections, just background, the existing additions, and the data collection methodology, the data analysis about utilization and turnover, the impacts from the short-term implementation, and then a conclusion. And so this was a study that was conducted by staff. We also used a number of volunteer residents to help collect data. I created a spreadsheet of all of the parking within the area, within this area that we were looking at for them to be able to check off and go hour by hour to look at how many people were parking there and for how long. So we collected about 22 hours worth of parking data over six days in October of this past fall. And the largest set of data that we have from that period is on October, Thursday, October 7th is when we had about eight, I think believe maybe 10 hours actually of data. And so we surveyed 136 parking spaces, 97 of them on Mass Ave. And really what we found was that there was a pretty plentiful supply of on-street parking in the study area over the course of the day. The industry, the sort of parking industry uses a threshold of 85% in terms of the amount of parking that's being utilized to determine whether there's a sort of supply-demand gap. If you're over that, if there's 90% or 95% of the parking space is being used, then there's a demand for more than what's really there because you're trying to see somebody who's looking for a parking space, you want that to have at least a couple of spaces open that they could find at any one time. And what we found was really the, it was more around 50% of the parking was being used on Mass Ave with the average utilization being about 42%, 50% was what it got up to a little bit over that at some points of the day. And some segments of Mass Ave had low turnover with vehicles parked beyond the posted two-hour time limit along Mass Ave. We also found there was low parking utilization on the immediately adjacent side streets that I mentioned. We didn't include some of the private ways that are near there like Clark Street or Fessenden Road. And also looked at the parking spaces that were removed in November as part of the modified option two for Mass Ave Appleton that was implemented. And many of those parking spaces were either underutilized within what we looked at or there was pretty easy alternative parking locations readily available along the corridor. So the rest of the study really breaks out some of these specific sections that are of particular concern or interest. And then some of the other attachments like I mentioned was a map and also a spreadsheet showing basically all of the data analysis with lots and lots of graphs and things that are helpful to understand what was going on there. So I'm happy to take any further questions on it. Thank you, Ms. Sanfteson. And I had asked Dan not to be making any effort to create a presentation of what I thought was an excellent report. And so because I know like I said earlier, we do all the reading. We just note concerns about people reading what is put on the agenda. So I think what we're going to go for here is just a motion to receive the study in the record. That's it. And then we will just talk, ask questions, and then I'll have a little discussion after that. So with that, I'll go to Ms. Mohan. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to move to see. Actually, I think I'll save my possibly two questions when we go to the next agenda item, which is the Massworks grant, which I think this first it's sort of a precursor some work to be done to take the next agenda item. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Ms. Mohan. So just two hands on this, Mr. Hurt. Really like my seconds. I'll second that motion. And I just want to thank everyone, Dan, and everyone in planning that did work on this and whoever our residents are that they should know they are that helped out. Thank them as well. It was very interesting read. And I think as I went through it, it confirmed that we made the right choice last fall as to the hybrid approach between the two to designs that we had. Whereas it shows that in the wake of the hybrid approach, just seems to be abundant parking, but it also shows that there is a pretty good amount of utilization on the south side of Mass Avecross and the businesses. I think at one point in the morning, it said it was 60 to 70%. So those parking spaces definitely are being used. So I think the approach that we had was the best of both worlds. And what the end result that we got is a very safe area. And as you drive through now, I feel a lot safer. And I think drivers are a lot more aware of the dangers that pose by that intersection. So it does again, it does make me feel confident that we made the right decision at that time. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Hello, Mr. Hearn. Any other questions, comments? Mr. Helm? Okay. Well, it's, um, oh, yeah, okay, good. I think you're going for Mr. Helm, it's there. Well, he didn't say anything. So I thought maybe I should be used to answering to Mr. Hearn by now, Mr. Chair, but I wasn't in that moment. So this was an outstanding report. The amount of work that are presented both in doing the study observations and the analysis is really kind of staggering. And I really, really appreciate it. I think this will be really helpful to us as we look toward the long-term safety improvements, the permanent safety improvements that we need. I'm glad we did the study, even though we did and Mr. Hearn put it out. We did implement a rapid design for the short-term improvements. But I think it's really worthwhile having done this because, and I appreciate that it, it takes into account the fact that we did the short-term improvements and kind of does some analysis on what, you know, the impact of that is. So we're, you know, so it's, I think it's a good next step in the long-term needs before this project. So thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Hearn. I mean, Mr. Helm, you know, so it is interesting because I guess I came to the opposite conclusion as Mr. Hearn, because for me it indicates me that we could be take out that parking on the south side being and not really hurt the parking situation in that area at all because of the, the utilization because once we, there just seems to be, and also it seems that a lot of the parking in on the south side is long-term parking, you know, and so, so, and so hearing anecdotal evidence in of bike conflicts in on the north side, you know, I still really would like to get a bike lane in on the north side and that would involve removing the parking on the south side, you know, so I don't know if we can get there, you know, and I want to try to get there in a way that is respectful of everyone in the process and by that, I mean, I don't want to push fast. I really would like to provide opportunity for people to think about this and to talk with people and for us to get more public input and then see where we go, you know, and as Mrs. Mahan said, perhaps what comes out of the next item will inform us, I mean, as to when we might want to move on, on making that area even safer, but that's where I am on this, so we can go for another round of discussion if we want, in our, we just take a vote on receiving the report and then move on to the next item. All right, so with a motion to receive by Mrs. Mahan and a second by Mr. Heard, Mr. Heard. Mr. Heard. Yes. Mr. Corsi. I'm sorry, my problem. Mr. Corsi, recuse himself, I apologize. Mr. Heard, Mr. Helmuth. Yes. Mrs. Mahan. Yes. Mr. Diggins. Yes. It's a 4-0 vote with Mr. DeCorsi recusing himself for the discussion. Thank you. Thank you. So should, are we thinking that Mr. Corsi is not going to be involved in this next item also? Yeah, thank you. Mr. Chair, he just contacted me saying he would continue to recuse himself through item 14. Thank you. Appreciate it. So for item 14, C, what is it called exactly? Okay. This is a discussion Mass Ave at Appleton Massworks Grant application. Once again by Mr. Amstiz. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. So this is, yes, related to Mass Ave at Appleton. Of course, we have, I'll just briefly say that we have retained the services of Stantec Consulting for really looking at this project, the long-term, bigger picture. You know, we're kind of looking at it could be a full sort of reconstruction of how to make this, the corridor not simply Mass Ave at Appleton, but this corridor from about Richardson to Quinn Road much safer as they're similar kind of geometric and safety problems at Lowell and Mass Ave and also Forest and Burton and Mass Ave, which came out, I think, pretty strongly through the process of looking at Mass Ave and Appleton through a design review committee. So the, you know, the Massworks Grant has to have a kind of housing sort of economic development component to it. And, you know, because of the the 1165R, the sort of MIRAC property that was permitted and there's also a hotel at the corner of Clark Street and Mass Ave that was permitted, you know, there's definitely activity in the area that we can connect it to in order to apply for this grant funding through the state. And we are applying this round in order to see if we can get some funding to, we can get some funding for the existing contract, a stand tech to finish out the design, but also we also need some funding in order to get sort of the next piece of that, which would include the sort of the right of way as well, whatever would be necessary when it comes out of the design and the funding that would be needed for that. So that's actually a fairly substantial amount of money that we would need about $300,000 is what we'd be asking. And then next year, for the next round, once we are at the end of design and have a construction estimate that, you know, something that we're going to build that we would look to try to get some massworks funding for that construction funding, which we'd know by the end of the year, that timeframe. So this application is due next Friday. And so we're looking for a support letter from the board to provide to the state as part of this, part of this application. So happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Ernest. So I'm going to go to Mr. Helmuth first, Ernest. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm happy to move approval for the letter of support. I think it's a very good idea. And I don't have any actually specific questions. I know some of my colleagues do, so I'd be happy to look and carry some of that. Sure. We'll do hands on this one. Okay, Mrs. Mohan. Shocking, I have something to say. First, I'll second that. And I was wondering, I would like to ask through you, Mr. Chair, as Mr. Ernest, that's to add something to the letter unless you advise me that it's not appropriate and or could have a detrimental effect on our application for the MassWorks grant that we're seeking here. What I'd like to do is I'd like to include in there in the second paragraph, two, three, fourth line down, if we could include, I guess after bus ride or bicyclist, pedestrians, middle school students, we could highlight that as well as if we could add in again in the second paragraph, maybe at the very end where it says and brought further light by these local land developments, including Allenton's only or including the Odyssey Middle School. I'd like to kind of, unless you feel that that would be a negative, I'd like to make those two amendments. I'd be interested in what Mr. Ernest has to say. Sure. Mr. Ernest. I don't think that there would be any detriment to adding that piece of it. I think we may have mentioned it in another place or another letter, but we are also cognizant to try to connect this to the housing piece. Certainly the existing school is important, but also the housing and development that's happening is really critical as part of what the state looks for. Right. If you don't want to include actually the Odyssey Middle School, I'd like to just where we're talking about bus riders, pedestrians, drivers, school students or something like that. I'd like to include the Odyssey Middle School, because I understand that, but I just want to make sure, because it has been included in your previous submissions to us for other journeys along getting us here, and I just like to be consistent, especially since the Odyssey students have had such a presence and presented themselves at various times in the course of this. So as long as it's not going to hurt the application, I'd like that to be in there. And then for some reason, I don't know what I was reading that I think we really have a very good chance of getting this funding, and possibly is it six-figure funding or not? Yes, Mr. Ernest. So the amount we're will be requesting for this round is about $300,000. It's a little bit more than that, $307,000, I believe. Okay, and I know you can't predict that we're going to get it, but for some reason, I just remember reading something that, you know, we've got all our ducks, whatever animal in a row, and we have a really good chance to get this money. If we don't, what happens? Sam? Maybe Mr. Chapter Lane or through you, Mr. Chairman, if for some reason we don't receive the $300,000, and I believe we're committing some other funding sources to add to the $300,000, but if we don't get the $300,000, what happens to the project? Mr. Chapter Lane. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So you are correct, Mrs. Mahan, that there's currently capital budget dollars that are going towards the contract with the designer that has been hired. If we did not receive this grant, we would have to make a decision about allocating town general fund capital dollars to be able to continue design to the level that would be necessary to achieve construction. Okay, and like I said, and it could be I'm just along with my colleagues between town meeting, don't get me started, long-range planning this morning. Mr. Corsi and the town manager and I were at, I'm in that same kind of fog. So like I said, for some reason, reading some things, I think nothing's a done deal, but I anticipate that we really have a very good shot at that. Thanks, and large part of what our staff in the planning department have done to get us along the way and to do the studies that need to be done and to really fine tune exactly what it is. Not only like what we'd like to do in the area, but also I'm appreciative of the fact that there are going to be several major development redevelopments in the area and that the town's endeavoring to have this work coincide with the new hotel, with the MIRAC, and I'm blanking on what the third one is, but and I think that helps our application. So thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. And I'll second, Mr., if I haven't already, I'm losing it. I'll second, Mr. Helmets, move a forward. All right. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? Yes. Yes. Yeah, just to say that I'm really happy with Ms. Mohans suggested amendments to the letter, and actually had forgotten. So thank you. I had also noticed that I think if it doesn't hurt that her hurt, I think mentioning the the oddison connection to this is meaningful to us locally. And but I also am glad to have learned that, you know, that the state will be looking at the need in the light of the development, the changes that are coming. So, you know, all together, you know, we have existing safety needs now, we have many more needs that are becoming because the development that's coming there. So, you know, I hope that this will make a very strong application. I appreciate Tom Manager and his team for being proactive and really jumping on this so that we can be prepared for those changes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're welcome. Yeah. And even though it's the 10-21-25 development is outside of the boundaries of the study area, I mean, it will have an impact. And I'm sure especially if we are going to try to get more people cycling and walking along that route, especially to the heights, you know, so so I'm very supportive of this being and and I hope, you know, Ms. Mohan's sense being that we are in good shape for this is correct. I mean, so with that, I will so it's on a motion to prove the application. I mean, so with that, I'm sorry, a motion to approve the application by Mr. Helmets and a second by Mr. Mrs. Mohan. I turn to Mr. Hine. Mr. Herd. Yes. Mr. Helmets. Yes. This is Mohan. Yes. Mr. Diggins. Yes. It's a four-zero vote. Mr. DeCorsi recused himself from the deliberations in the vote. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Mr. Chair, could I ask for like four minutes to give us a time to get Mr. DeCorsi back and just to take a quick like four or five minute personal break real quick? I was just going to suggest that since we're at 15 to hour off me. So so so yeah, I mean, why don't we why don't we break till till 9 20? So everyone's back and so we can pick up if everyone's ready in item number 14 of discussion and approval townwide forum on overnight parking pilot. And so I'll start with this one, you know, so Mr. Corsi and I met with Chief Larrity and Officer Ruto to discuss how to possibly move forward with an overnight parking pilot. I mean, initially when we had discussed this, it was in the context of East Arlington overnight parking pilot and Mr. DeCorsi and I did a forum with this engagement group with residents meet and I think it was like four precincts in the East Arlington area. And Mr. Corsi informed me afterwards, or maybe it was around the same time that he had discussions with Officer Ruto and maybe even Chief Larrity and that Officer Ruto had suggested or strongly felt me that this should be a townwide pilot. Since then, we've done the hearings meeting and we've been involved in town meeting so we just haven't gotten to it. So now we're swinging back to it. As I said, Mr. Corsi and I had a conversation with Officer Ruto and Chief Larrity, Officer Ruto feels strongly the same way and it's mainly an equity or equity slash quality enforcement issue. Well, first off, he feels that an overnight parking pilot is good to do in order to see how we can deal with making things more equitable and making enforcement being more equitable with respect to overnight parking. And secondly, he feels that simply doing it in the East would miss the fact that there are parts of town outside of the East where the overnight parking is an issue also. And so when thinking about how to do the forum, he suggests that well, both he and Chief Larrity suggested that we approach it from the point of view that we are going to do the pilot and getting feedback mean from residents on how we do the pilot and also get a sense of how long to do the pilot. That's all part of how to do the pilot. So essentially what we are doing is coming to you with this as a proposal to see how you feel about it. And so I open it up to any of you at this point. I mean, I'm not at this point looking for, I guess I'm not really looking for a motion just yet. I mean, we may need to have one to move forward, but let's just have a discussion at this point. So we'll do hands or let me back up a little bit and ask my questions of course. Is there anything you want to add to this? What I said? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just briefly, and you covered it nicely. I think what Mr. Diggins and I envisioned was after the forum, we would develop a proposal to bring back to the board for the parameters of a pilot program and so that after this forum took place, we would come back to the board and make recommendations for the full board's consideration. But we have had the discussions and we feel that it is an issue that we need input. We want to have input from the public on before we come back as a subcommittee, if you will, to the full board. And I'll just add one more thing. So at the forum would be myself, Mr. Corsi, and Officer Toe, and probably Chief Flaherty, High Probability Chief Flaherty. That makes it not an official meeting, but of course, if I would say if any of you wanted to join me, then it would be an official meeting. It would take on a different tone, but we're not trying to preclude the involvement by anyone else in the forum. So that's it now. Any questions, comments? This is a hands up situation. Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So just to clarify, for myself that I may need very little to watching who maybe hasn't had the benefit of our past discussions, by pilot program, do I take it that, I guess you're talking about soliciting public forum for how we would do the pilot. I think that's a great idea. What's the baseline assumption here? Is it that the pilot would be a temporary suspension of the overnight parking ban across all town? Is that kind of the starting place? Or is that, you know, or is even the nature of that kind of still up the grabs in your minds? No, that part of me is pretty subtle to me that it would be a temporary ban of the overnight parking. Tell me why. Temporary suspension of the ban? Yeah, temporary suspension. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. And then can you describe a little bit more how you, what the forum would look like? And I think, you know, given, I think the public will, you know, would appreciate some sort of suggestions or some options that you're thinking of like presenting options, A, B, and C, D, or the kind of thing. Are you just punting on being in really open in just to hear what kind of input there be ideas about the format of the forum? That kind of thing? No strong ideas at this point. Chief Flaherty offered to provide data regarding the number of overnight parking tickets that are issued, and other stats that I'm not quite sure what they would include, maybe my colleague Mr. Corsi can chime in a little more on that. At this point, we really haven't thought a whole lot about the format of the forums. Sometimes it's a little hard to go forward with these thoughts without getting approval because going forward is a little presumptive. And so we have thought about the timing of it. And so the timing would be towards the end of June. And the latest would be July. We really want to get people before they go away in August. But and also the early thoughts are that if we are going to do the pilot, we'd like to maybe start in August, mid to late August. So you kind of get that lull in the summer and then capture most of all the fall. It will depend on how long we want to do the pilot to determine how much of winter we would capture. Yeah, thank you. That's really helpful. I think off the cuff, I guess I think public forum is a good idea. It feels like a really ambitious timeline to me to to prepare a forum that is that we're really well prepared for so that people can really, you know, understand what we're asking them to tell us in an informed way. You know, I leave it to people who know more than I do who've done more work on this about whether August is realistic to start and to start this given that we're looking for a time of transition with the town manager, for instance. So, you know, I feel cautious about timeline, but I don't feel cautious about doing about soliciting public input. I'm also open to persuasion on this might when I'm out right now, I think I want to be there and be able to be to listen. I think that that's an important message to send to the public, you know, that for something that would be such a big change and that we hear all of us as members of the select board hear from people individually a lot about I certainly do. You know, I think I like the idea of being able to at least be there of not to participate, but to listen in a recognized capacity. But but you know, I'm not a hill, I'm going to die on but that's just kind of my my bent right now. Yeah, thank you. In case it'd be a formal meeting, you know, and it was an agenda meeting and maybe maybe slash hearing in and we would work it out, you know, we do that so that we have as many of you who want to be there. It's possible. Yeah, thank you very much. Sure. Miss. I think June is really ambitious, especially with town meeting town meeting of 1000 nights once again, it seems to be, but we'll see how that goes. I sort of had in my head that maybe the forum was in September. It's a pilot program. You know, we do it six to eight weeks, October, November, or end of September, middle of November, you know, have defined or maybe include this as part of the forum to say to people, you know, pilot program, you know, how long do you think would you recommend us to consider to do this as well as I'd like sort of I sort of have an option A and B in my mind that maybe we could ask through the town manager's office. I don't know who would be the planning department and I don't see this as a cumbersome task, but a lot of cities and towns and I want to say the majority but I'm just thinking of the communities that are adjacent to Arlington that do have the overnight parking ban lifted once we get to snow plowing weather. It no longer exists because I know if we go by the honor system saying, you know, it's going to be, well, I'd like to hear input. I'd like to have that, you know, have that discussion at the forum. I'm sure some people may advocate for we just want it completely eliminated and it's year round and it'll be the honor system to get off when it snows and when we have to do cut backs and stuff like that. But traditionally, I haven't seen that work really work anywhere unless you're talking like out in the Amherst. I think they do have it. I think that's the town that has a year round, but I think the towns that do have it, but they suspended and it's posted is Watertown. I want to say some of them, but I think I'm wrong on that, but so perhaps at the forum if you could have at least an A and B discussion, which is till overnight parking ban lifted year round versus as well as overnight parking ban just for the non snow plow event months or weeks. And if you can do all this and pull it off in June, that's great. I think if you do it in July, I mean, honestly, Allington, once, you know, last day of school comes in June, a lot of Valentinians really aren't in town anymore. So I just don't want to say, hey, you had a forum in July and you know, not much of Allington was around. So I'll leave it to you, Mr. D'Corsi to come up with the timeline for that. If you want to do it maybe, you know, the week after school. And then we have over the summer for the town manager and the department heads to sort of have them do their due diligence in terms of a getting ready to prepare recommendations after we have the forum what the impact would look like, whether it was a total elimination of overnight parking ban versus if they had any thoughts around, especially, well, actually, police fire in public works, because, you know, when the snow comes, we have snow events, police maybe not so much police, but definitely fire emergency vehicles, as well as a snow plowing effort. So I would just ask that there be at least an A and B discussion, total elimination of overnight parking ban, as well as parking ban lifted, but re-implemented during the snow plowing event months. And if we could have some data that of the cities and towns that are adjacent to us that are similar in terms of topography and density and all that stuff, who do the same thing. They don't have the year-on overnight parking ban. They have sort of a season one. So and I agree with Mr. Helmuth about being there. I'll leave it there. I'll leave it to Mr. Diggins and Mr. Heard in the past, you know, when I first was on the board, the full board would show up at forums and it kind of got us in a lot of trouble. So moving forward, like when we did in East Arlington at the Hardy School, you know, we posted as a select board meeting, but really we only have no more than two members of the board that are sort of meeting the discussion and sort of answering questions or whatever, and that we just don't deliberate, but just to sort of cover our assets that we do post it as a select board meeting, but the other three, and I can't tell any of my colleagues what to do, not to do it. It's their choice, but what's worked in the past is that we post it. The full boards there are members more than two that want to be there, but we really designate no more, we designate only two members of the board that are going to leave the meeting and, you know, answer any questions or anything like that. So if I could just ask through you, Mr. Diggins or to Charney Hyne, I'm trying to think if we had a public forum like this when you've been our town council, but I know that's what we've done in the past. Do you see any impediments to that, or is that something that might work? Mr. Chair? Yes, Mr. Hyne. Yeah, thank you. That's correct, Vice Chair Mahan. Generally speaking, if the board is going to attend a forum or anything together where you'll be present in the quorum, it's wise to post it as a meeting in abundance of caution, because if you discuss a matter within your jurisdiction among the quorum, even if it's part of a larger group, it could be construed as an open meeting. Of course, the other way around that is to make sure that you keep your participation to under a quorum. In theory, you could take some risk and say, well, we're not really participating in select board members, but because so many things are under the jurisdiction of the select board, and this specific idea in pilot is in your capacity as the roadway commissioners and parking commissions, I think it would be wise to either just notice the select board meeting within the quorum, or designate some folks so you can keep your participation to under the quorum. Does that address your question, Vice Chair Mahan? Yes, it does. So if Mr. DeCoursey, Mr. Diggins, are amenable to this, that we have the forum and posted it as a meeting, just to cover us that I read something within the past 18 months where a resident, not in Arlington, made a complaint that a quorum, more than a quorum was at a meeting, and even though less than a quorum ran the meeting, meaning only two members, that if for some reason one of you were saying something and I nodded my head yes or no, that could be construed as a deliberation or so. And we all know, I can't keep my hands under control, let alone nodding my head, so I think that would be best. But we also make it clear that this is something that Mr. Diggins and Mr. DeCoursey are going to be the facilitators at and that the board will not be barring any catastrophic event that the town manager says, you know, a boiler blew up at Stratton and since you're all here tonight and it's noticed and you need to vote on it, but I don't see that happening. So if we could just have the forum, just have no more than two members of the board facilitate, definitely post it as a select board meeting, but also with the tacit agreement amongst us that the other two, one, two or three that are there are really just there to listen and there won't be any deliberations. Thank you, Mr. Jerry. Thank you, Mr. Hearn. Yep, so I'm happy to have the forum. I think public input on this particular issue is good and it can help us frame how we move forward. And this is an important issue that we've been really dealing with over the past couple of years, but it's come kind of full steam in the past few years as we've had a lot of people that have written to us and as to participation in the forum, given that it takes less time to notice a meeting than we've discussed this tonight, I think let's just notice the meeting. All right, thanks. All right, great. Thank you, Mr. Hearn. Mr. Corsi. Again, I appreciate all the comments of my colleagues and I agree it is an ambitious timetable and if it has to be pushed back, it'll be pushed back so that we do it right and that we hear from people and we're able to come back to the full board with some sort of recommendation. So think of the timeframe, because as Ms. Mahan pointed out, I mean, once school is over me and the place kind of gets a little desolate, I mean, so that's why we were aiming for June because if we don't do it in June, I mean, then we're doing it in September and so the forum is September and then probably we'll be able to start the pilot in October. I guess I was trying to take advantage a little bit in the law in the pace of activity in town and I know that certainly means people aren't around, but just kind of staff activity. We need to try and do some planning in July because generally we hit the ground of running pretty hard right after Labor Day, but we could certainly let people know that's coming of course and try and do as much planning beforehand and part of that would be in the nature of the presentation so that we are telling people what we're going to do this pilot and here are some alternatives. We're looking for your input because we're hoping to start this pilot perhaps in October and so I guess what I am really looking for from you all is are we committed to doing the pilot and so right now I hear that we're committed to doing the forum but because what we can do is we can come to people and say we're thinking about doing the pilot and the chief and officer Rato advice against that and you probably can figure out why or we could say we are going to do the pilot and we're wanting your input on how we do the pilot so can I get a sense as to how you're feeling about doing the pilot? So I'm happy to have the pilot I think it's important ahead of what we have to do for our all right and Ms. Mohan? I would say right now I can hear Mr. Greeley screaming in my head saying for years I asked you to do remote meetings and you waited until I'm not here anymore and now I can hear him screaming to me I can't believe for years I've tried to do a pilot program for overnight parking so I know I can't vote for him but I can hear him in my on my shoulder right now so I'm all for doing a pilot but I would say you know a pilot is finite um it has to start start an end date so if we could look at if we could get some recommendations or see where our department heads town manager and and Mr. Dickens and Mr. DeCorsi um I my only wish would be that the pilot program end before we anticipate a first snow so you know maybe end before Thanksgiving you know so we maybe it's a six to eight week and by virtue of a pilot program it's a testing and it's you know and then after that we can assess um what's long term so um so I'm fine for a pilot program if it's a finite amount of time and if it ends um I would say um sometime before some days or week before Thanksgiving I think we're okay with snow up until thank you Mr. Chairman thank you thank you Mr. Han and Mr. Helmuth well for me to disagree with the voice of Mr. Greeley um I think um yeah I'm all right with that you know I think that an extended pilot you know I don't know how much time we'll figure how long long it is you know I think at some point with the pilot program you do run into the can we get this genie back in the bottle uh kind of thing you know I think that you know if it goes on long enough it could be could really be perceived as the change itself and so I think clear communication messaging will be obviously you know really important to the public about about what we're doing and that really is you know provisional that we really are are doing what we're doing so you know I think I think in principle that's fine um I yeah I'll just leave it at that so thank you okay all right you know so now it's just really matter whether we go for um in the June or or in September I mean I think I'll have a conversation with Mr. Morsig about that I hear what you're saying about it being ambitious you know um and I think if we are going to try and do a pilot perhaps and the September I mean through the middle of November I mean then if we had a forum right at the beginning of September with all the details pretty much worked out and giving people kind of a choice and some some chance of feedback you know then we could lodge it but that would require me and some some work during the summer that I know we can pull off I mean so I'll have a conversation with Mr. Corsi about this I mean and we'll update you um in a meeting in June probably the first one June um Mrs. Corsi. Thank you Mr. Chairman and again appreciate the comments of my colleagues and I think one of the important areas that we will have to discuss is is duration because you know we have heard different things and it certainly does have to be finite and I think that will be um I'm hearing consensus on a certain period but it may be other options that we know we need to present and it's understood that there may not be consensus right now on that period but we'll need input and need to come back on that and try to develop consensus but I think this is really helpful. All right great yeah yeah so um thank you I agree I mean so um we need to vote we just need to really get a sense of how you felt about things and really just kind of get get approval we got it you know so moving on to the next item meeting future select board meetings and so this isn't so much to plan out meetings for July I mean um let's plan on maybe doing that at our next meeting it's really to kind of lay out in the thinking about where to meet and so in the message I was trying to convey regarding tonight's meeting essentially what I was trying to say and think about clearly is that I was willing to be at Town Hall regardless of who wanted to be there I mean I mean so if it's just one other select board person you know I would be there I mean my feelings being about masking is that I'm wearing a mask you know when I'm in a room with someone else you know I mean my my notion is that we don't know me when we are contagious I mean we can be asymptomatic and contagious you know and the test being there's just lots of false negatives in the testing so when I heard that people were concerned about testing that thought well we have to kind of work out how we're gonna work deal with the testing means like I mean when are you tested and I would imagine you'd have to be tested enough time in advance so that you can stay home you know if you know that you're positive you know and so I just put this out there I mean like I said I am willing to come to Town Hall for just one other person you know and I'm willing to do all the meetings that way if you want you know but the things just kind of got a little muddled and it was just easier to just go let's do this we're all remote have discussion about how we want to approach meetings and take it from there man so I've said what I have to say this is a hands up situation oh thank you mr. chair I just feel like I'm always raised in my hand I don't want to be overhanded just if I had my druthers um and I understand what you're saying you know we need to have enough time if we do test positive but um I liked when we came to the last meeting under the tutelage of the town manager you know I tested right there in the office before it froze up on us I think we lost you you got me to hold on a second yeah we lost you for a little bit there so you said under the tutelage of the town manager you tested right in the office right before we came in yeah but um if people aren't comfortable with that and they want to just do the honor system and say literally they tested right before they came to the select court meeting I mean I'd be willing to do it at home too but you know I'm fine coming in but you know I think just for all I say that that you know we test within an hour of the meeting whether it's at the chambers or not or we continue with remote I'm fine either way but if we do go back in person I'd like to and I don't know if there's any Board of Health recommended but I don't think there is I don't think people have to test well the employees do but anyways whatever the Board of Health would recommend if we do come back and meet as a full board or close to a full board in the chambers my own personal I'd like some testing to be there if we are coming back or if it's just better to be because I understand what you're saying about false positives you know and um but now I'm you know so far I don't want to jinx myself to stay about COVID and if it's infiltrated my family not so I'm okay with just staying with remote so I'd be happy to hear what the rest of my or you know maybe do remote if we do the July or August mission goals forum meeting which also is a select board meeting you know we have it somewhere that we can really be spaced you know not in the chambers somewhere else in town hall that we can really space out from each other if we're going to be in the same room for up to three hours so maybe that other hearing room named after one of my former colleagues who I don't want to say the name okay bye so so just as we talk about me the testing I have this question so is the testing being done so that we don't have to wear a mask you know is that the rationale for doing the testing no no no I just like to do that and like like if I came to a select board meeting we're meeting in person do the testing but I see that the positivity rates really high I'm definitely wearing a mask even if I test negative and you know and not just for COVID who knows what else is going to be coming down the line you know I'm not saying the other one that there's only a hundred cases being watched in the United States but you know I don't know if it was already said at this meeting or I think maybe the town manager and Mr. DeCorsi and I were discussing it this morning at the long-range planning committee but somebody was saying in the meeting that they were saying with COVID invariably everybody's gonna get it in some form or another so just that's why I want to be a little extra paranoid so testing and mask all right you know so Mr. Hearn so I'm fine if people want to test I mean I think we all trust each other so if someone tells me that they want me to test for a meeting I think it's a little easier to test at home than to show on inside of our nose to our colleagues in the select board chamber I do think it's I mean I think people know where I am on this I find zoom meetings to be excruciating and I have migraines by the end of the night I think it's important for us to try to the best we can get back to our normal meetings which run much more efficiently and I think I mean the board of health has right in the state of Massachusetts has regulations and people can choose to amass and not choose to amass it for their preference and I think that's just how we would respect what happens inside the chambers people can choose to do whatever they are within the confines of local regulations so again I think it's important step for us to get back into the chamber and I think it sends a good message to the residents of Arlington and I just think that's why how this board was meant to operate so my vote would be to be in the chamber and I am certainly fine with the testing requirement and if that's what my colleagues prefer anyone else is it heard I'm going to start Mr. Elements the other Mr. Hearn yeah I look at risk reduction as additive right so rapid testing you know which most of the experts that I read and I'm not one of them you know they suggest that it's you know many of them believe it's pretty good to detect active transmissibility it's not perfect nothing's perfect that's why we like an additive risk reduction strategy masking air filtering you know and it's like more chambers has a really high quality have a filter machine you know again the more of those layers that you add the better off our I think personally I would be willing to go you know to consider going back in I do I would appreciate you know we can send rapid test kits to our homes in town can do that doing a test that day or that evening would be again an additive layer not a perfect layer I might choose myself to wear a mask depending on our level of transmission as indicated by the biobot wastewater data by the CDC recommendations by our board of health assessment of the situation you know I'll point out that right now we're in a high level of transmission and you know I'm personally glad that we decided to do town meeting in person because I know a lot of town meeting members who couldn't be in town all because they have COVID or they're in COVID jail so I think it's difficult to make a blank for myself to make a blanket statement about my comfort without taking to account what we know limited though it is about the transmission rate and it varies it changes over time so how I feel now maybe I may feel differently in the summer if the rates go back down and you know my personal view is that we have to we do have to grapple with COVID as a reality but it's not a monolithic reality it changes over time you know and I think we have to learn how to adapt our approach and our rules and our practices for different levels of transmission I think that's just the new normal so there's no perfect way I'm very respectful of people having different personal standards of risk very you know perfectly fine with that but I know that we need to corporately you know you know come together with something that that for me is an intersection of the consideration of the level of transmission as best as it can be known what layers of additive risk reduction that we can employ and that we can collectively agree upon so you know I think it's a long way of saying then pretty much for me is honest I think with that you know right now it's been easy to just meet remotely because town meetings remote you know but but I also agree with Mr you know Mr Hurd I would prefer to be in the chamber as well you know for a generally speaking for a lot of reasons so I'm certainly willing to to work towards that that's kind of those are the different things I think about. All right Mrs. Corsi. Thank you Mr. Chairman and yeah my preference is to be in the chambers and then certainly happy to have same day testing but I agree with Mr. Helmut there there are going to be instances where you may we may have a meeting scheduled in person where it's going to be more appropriate to do it remotely because the transmission rates and I also think we have to consider staffing as well because we've had issues with that in terms of would we be able to staff a meeting if we had it in person so I think that's a consideration beyond the five of us but by assuming that the transmission rates are at a level my preference is to be in the chambers as well and I think the testing for me I'd rather do it at home because if I get a positive I don't want to be around everybody either and you know we're all going to report if we have that positive so that's where I am on that but I think we need to be flexible depending if conditions change. I hear well you know I need to perhaps talk with Ms. Milloy and the Tom manager I mean to come up with something general in terms of how we handle testing and masking you know my inclination right now is to say do what I was going to do for this meeting that is to say I will be there in anyone else who wants to be there you're welcome to come however tested untested mass unmasked whoever doesn't want to be there that's fine too don't need a reason you know and so that's kind of my default you know like I said I won't talk with Ms. Milloy and Tom manager to see maybe even Mr. Hyme to just see what kind of general thing we can do because right now I mean where my tension is is that I'm respecting what the Board of Health says but at the same time I'm also dealing with my interpretation of the science you know and I tend to be I hate I say conservative me when I talk about this virus way too much you know but but I am so so so there we are it's okay I think we've talked about this enough at this point and I don't say that out of exasperation I mean in fact when you you see exasperation emotionally towards you all it's more that my energy is just running out and we have more to do so so I'm going to move on you know and move to correspondence receipt so I'll turn to Mr. Corsi on this one thank you Mr. Chairman so I'll move receipt of the the correspondence and I know this was an issue that Mr. Helmuth had worked on or had raised previously with the Board but move receipt at this point right and let me just specify is traffic concerns at the intersection of what chooses Avenue Avenue and Appleton Street you know so thank you for that motion to receive and I'll do a hands up on this. Mr. Helmuth. Thank you Mr. Chair. I'll second that with a request to the tail manager that you know because I did hear from a quite a few residents at that intersection in I think it was December and I brought it to the board I appreciate the memo very much I'm delighted to see the plans in the progress and then you know the plan to refer to tack for project which was our motion at the time I would ask if the tail manager could arrange for the appropriate staff to reach out to the residents and I can provide their information with kind of an update and maybe an invitation to have some awareness of the tentative plan that was drawn up you know that it started with one resident back in 2020 so I mean that's good but quite a few have gotten in touch with us so if we could kind of close the loop with them I think they'd appreciate that and just deeply appreciate knowing that it's that it's now kind of the wheels are moving so is that reasonable Mr. Chaplin is that am I asking yes yeah thank you great any other comments questions okay so on motion to receive by Mr. Corsi and a second by Mr. Helmets Mr. Time Mr. Hurd yes Mr. Corsi yes Mr. Helmets yes this is mine yes Mr. Diggins yes thank you and so next on the agenda new business and I'll go down a line on this one on time no no business thank you Mr. Captain Lane thank you Mr. Diggins just very two quick pieces of new business one the board is aware of one was late breaking wanted to celebrate the good work of the planning department and the engineering division submitting a shared streets grant application which was awarded for chestnut in mystic in the amount of I think approximately 150 000 dollars which will go a long way to implement the project improvements in that area and then just late today I learned that DPW had also applied for a separate sort of parallel but separate lane of that same shared streets program and they received $50 000 to buy a snow a piece of snow removal equipment and walks so sort of cross departments utilizing utilizing state fundings that are available to make the town better and both have been awarded so good news to share okay thank you Mr. Mr. Chaplin and Mr. Helmets congratulations to your team Mr. Chaplin that's excellent news um no new business for me thank you Mr. Corsi thank you Mr. Chair just the two quick items um first of all I uh you know we appointed Dr. White to the Board of Health this evening and I'm sure she will be a great addition to the board um she's replacing Ken Colberg who had served several terms on the Board of Health and like to ask the town manager if he could send a letter of thanks to Mr. Colberg for his years of service on the Board of Health second point it's getting to tournament time at the high school athletics I just want to briefly mention two teams that often offer not not really in the in the spotlight but given recent events certainly a deserving of mention that's the girls and boys tennis team at Anken high school and the girls just wrapped up this season with a record of 16 and four they've been in the middle sex league for over a decade and this year for the very first time they defeated Winchester and tennis and oftentimes when the Anken high girls tennis team is playing Winchester you measure it by how long you're on the court whether not whether you're winning or losing and they were successful they had one of the best records in the middle sex league and they're moving on so I congratulate coach Daniel Rakowski and the girls team also want to congratulate coach Matt Siegel of the boys team they have made the tournament as well with a record of 13 and 7 and that's uh the Liberty League in the middle sex league within the middle sex league um is a very difficult and very competitive um division for for tennis and and both teams made it to the tournament and I want to wish them well as well as all other teams from Anken high school and I think Catholic that have made this tournament thank you thank you Mr. Corsi hi Mrs. Hyde I'm sorry oh my goodness wow this is my hi or you can call me Mr. Greeley I'll answer them either um I I know uh our director of veterans affair chef Chango has um events uh planned for May 30th um I'll definitely have a conversation with the chairman because um there is a proclamation but kind of hoping it's going to be surprised to the recipient so I'll check with the attorney hot in the right way um I mean I'll I'll get I have the proclamation right here right now but I'll um uh get it to the chairman uh for Monday May 30th events um and we'll go from there because I I think uh depending on I know it's Memorial Day weekend of of who can attend um but I know um several of us will be there so um um and then the only other thing is I just want to say um and I've had conversations with the turning home about this um the really good news from EPA they uh came out and uh they sent uh a letter to uh city of Cambridge city of Summelville M.W.R.A. and Department of Conservation and Recreation D.C.R. um with everything that the town of Allington uh through Save the L.W.I.F. and Mr. River Watershed Child's River Watershed um all um along with the town the town manager turning home um and sporadically myself um have been attending meetings and they're now making it requirements um uh and pretty much have addressed everything the uh one of the points that used to get thrown back to Allington is you know you're not addressing your I.N.O. program well guess what we are you know with our own funding with opera funding so that's no longer an issue um so what's in there is dredging um the L.W.I.F. Brooke and or uh sort of eliminating it as a channel um but developing a plan I'm not saying this is you know gonna happen overnight but developing a plan to eliminate the C.S.O.s and the reason they're bringing D.C.R. in which um Dan Driscoll is the person over at D.C.R. who heads and spearheads this and he and I have bucked heads for about 20 years we don't get along so if you want anything from Dan Driscoll don't say you know me but uh one of the sticking points when he decided to do the Greenway and encourage kayaks and canoes and uh launches for them to go into the L.W.I.F. was that I said D.C.R. really should be responsible for before you're encouraging people to go into sometimes sewage infested waters with the C.S.O. discharge um you have to at least A notify them of that which he always refused to do and the town would put signs up but B work towards cleaning it up and EPA has now added them on um and what I'd like to do is and I've had a conversation with attorney Heim about this but I definitely want in thinking about it um I'd like to sort of submit a draft to the board um sort of codifying what the EPA has come out with um you know thanking the EPA for that you know we still stand firm in our commitment for all we're asking for is a plan um and uh and then hopefully not hopefully with the plan you know what the time implementation steps would be um and then continue on to the ultimate goal of um total elimination of the C.S.O.s and really having EPA you know definitely a mystery of a watershed but more importantly you know child's river um watershed um and the other one that I'm blanking on uh is really good news for Allington in getting this done and when I first started on this journey um I had said to them you know I would like to see from Cambridge Summable C.S.M.W.R.A. a plan in total elimination by 2050 and they all said well yeah that's something we can do but right now we have to plan for what's going to get done for 2025 well now 2050 seems to be the number to shoot for anyway so anyway so I'm going to work with attorney Heim and as well as if there's any other entity like conservation commission or whoever else um that should send our planning department a separate letter to EPA I really want to just keep the heat on to keep this moving and whether it's a joint letter or separate letter that's fine but I'll have conversations with the town manager and town council get something up in a draft circulated to my colleagues so you can see it beforehand maybe discuss it in a select board meeting and then see if the board's comfortable with sending that communication on to EPA with C.S.M. as they did Cambridge Summable M.W.R.A. D.C.R. and that's it for my new business thank you Mr. Chair. All right thank you Ms. Mahan and my quick new business is that 13 forests open reopen in East Arlington there was a fire at Thrive this was sometime last year maybe about a year ago and and it affected them and they had nothing but good things to say about the way the town helped them out I mean the town helped them find a temporary location made um with um Food Lake mean and it was very supportive mean and and so I just wanted to pass that along I mean so they're back in and and and I'm used to hearing that Tom did well by them so so um with that we are going to adjourn this meeting and then head into executive session so I'm going to turn to Mrs. Mahan for the the motion okay and I just want clarification if an executive session do approve the release of any minutes is that something we're going to come out and vote on in public session or is that something that we'll put on the next agenda and vote on the release of those minutes at a public agenda in the future and well um let's let's come out and and release them and so so yeah let's make a motion that allows us to come out and release them so that we can not have to worry about this another agenda and so is that a clear answer Mrs. Mahan? Mr. Hyman? Mr. Chairman? Yes I think if the board approves minutes for release in the executive session it doesn't have to come out I think if you want to make a motion to go into executive session you should decide whether or not you want to adjourn from executive session but I think you vote in the executive session to approve and release minutes that'll be all you need you don't necessarily need to come back come back out so just to say some thoughts. I'd like to move that we go into executive session to comply with um the approval and or release of some if not all executive session minutes as noted in our agenda as well as to conduct a strategy session in preparation for contract negotiations with non-union personnel sandy pool applicant for town manager pursuant interim town manager pursuant to section 12b of the manager act and or conduct contract negotiations with same and that when we adjourn we will adjourn in executive session. Okay get a second from someone? Second. Second okay it's on a motion from Mrs. Mahan to go into executive session and I have a motion I just want to go check the session a second from Mr. Helmets Mr. Mr. Herb. Yes. Mr. DeCorsi. Yes. Mr. Helmets. Yes. Mrs. Mahan. Yes. Mr. DeGens. Yes. And I'm sorry just taking from Mr. Chair we're we're not going to we're going to adjourn from executive session correct? Yes. Okay thank you. So so I guess thank you.