 I think that all good evaluators for any project, the TH project specifically, should do formative work as well as summative work. But if there's nobody there to actually, you know, receive the evaluation work that you're doing, then what good is doing it? A good evaluator should essentially be a partner in the project, working with you all along. There probably are evaluators who say that, you know, we're going to really be summative. We're going to just look at, you know, the quantitative data that's been accumulated over the course of the project. And no, we don't need to show up at every professional development event or even, you know, a good size sample of professional development events. We don't need to do classroom observations. I think that's patent nonsense. I know that the GEPR indicators are largely quantitative and there is a role for quantitative. If you're doing good qualitative evaluation, you will get the quantitative data that you need. But quantitative is just a small part of this. One of the things that we work with every project to understand is that just because you said you were going to do the things that you said you were going to do doesn't mean that they turned out the way that they were supposed to turn out. That latter part, they turned out the way they were supposed to turn out, is always a qualitative response. It can't be just quantitative. If your teachers don't do well on their post-test, why? You know, it's not the role of the evaluator. I think they just simply say, I didn't do very good. You know, well, we have to be able to explain why. And we have to, you know, feed into a discussion about why. And you have to be there in order to be able to feed into that discussion. I really wish projects would learn to work better with the evaluators. I mean, if you are willing to let your evaluator just sort of send you bills and forms, then you get what you pay for or you get what you to deserve. I guess I put it that way. But, you know, if you make your evaluator work for you and find an evaluator who wants to work for you, then you can really improve your project offerings and improve your outcomes, I think.