 to do the section sometimes if like in the past it's felt forced like having to think about it like oh I don't know it became like a routine almost you know I'm saying like oh you have to like which is ain't bad it wasn't like ah yeah this moment was joy you know I'm saying I mean that was it that's probably sad honestly like I think if you feel forced to sit down and think about a moment that's brought you joy either joy is they always say that we've been conditioned to not search for joyous moments thus life is void of joy or your life is actually void of joy which I don't think is true I'll probably say it's the former at the first part yeah I think some of it's also around just the way it's become very like co-opted liberalized and individualized you know with like the propaganda machine it's like I'll just self-care find your joy find your peace you know just the very liberal essence was made me I mean you see like black black joy black boy joy black girl magic all these things that are used like a member I think we was at Target once and it was like black girl magic wine it's like what is this wine is magical like poisonous I mean but also if we look at the kid the real material conditions of black girls of black women in this country whether it be literacy rates whether it be sterilization whether it be jail whether to be victims of domestic violence whether to be poverty rates the magic is not in the wine that's not gonna rate them you know black boy joy if you look at the rate of literacy rate for black boys incarceration suspended from school poverty the likelihood of going to jail right violence like what is black boy joy if the highest level of black joy it's not revolution but we can still look for I mean you know we ain't free right now and I said I definitely got a lot of black joy oh yeah I do too new african joy and then it's like what is black I mean it's just all a byproduct of our political education I'm not I know pessimistic stuff when I say it's not like a pessimistic like depressive like type of attitude when I say that it felt it's felt forced as more so I think just the conditions I guess maybe we should call it something else I mean but black joy is something I think resonate with the masses of people you know black joy new african joy black and parentheses people may hear me a when y'all gonna bring this back there's been four episodes three strikes y'all out man what's going on but I mean it's a new episode of hella black and we can't let four people determine a segment though that's also another thing that is like we were telling people like oh send us y'all black joy shit what we tried to make excuse me people don't go on our patreon interactive and stuff even if not on patreon we also was like hit us in the tweets and all these things like it's gonna take more than four people for me to start exposing your joy doing the whole segment but I'm listening to hearing or there if you want to do it I'm with you I have enough joyous moments now I've had some very joyous moments as well my recent findings of joy has been through none other than barbecue show I say smoking shout out that a lot of smoke you know I'm saying but not I've been finding the balance and I think do finding more balance I found more joy you know and just like a process of like cooking and barbecue and especially smoking it's like a longer process of cooking and you have to have a lot of like patience so I've been finding joy in cooking eating well and feeding other people that's my look you got joy right here look at this man right in the plant yeah there's a lot of smoke has also been bringing me joy it's fire I was thinking I need to learn how to I knew how to grill we had barbecue club in high school so like I knew how to grill but I stepped away from it but yeah you can see you know niggas been watching a lot more like barbecue shows and shit I would say it is like a positive way to spend your time you know here I think it's positive in a lot of ways too because you know for people who ain't even familiar with like what halal is like about food is to it's also like being able to like teach people around like what this means you know I'm saying versus not allow food you know I'm saying like the blood is drained it's hand-slotted organic free range you know I'm saying prayed over and stuff so I think it's also been like that's been a dope part of like people ask me what does that mean you know I'm saying and just like thinking about like how we eat as well you know it showed me how very intentional it will that you have to be too because it's like oh you know I might go to the butcher and it's like they have what is available there you feel me so it also makes you think about like you know sometimes just the way like globalization of food has made it like instant access for every single type of food possible especially for us living in the so-called West in America you know it's also showing me like okay you know maybe the food is based off of like what was actually killed or what was actually closely farmed you know I'm saying to where it's okay no you actually only have a few options today you know it might just be you might have a rib eye you can get all right well maybe you might be able to get a brisket one day then you might not be able to the next day I might be able to get a tritip one week then the next week you might not be able to get one so it's kind of taught me like it's made me just think more intentionally you know around like food especially we as we know food is the weapon you know so I see like okay you can eat good you can eat healthy and it be hollow you know and be so I think that's something that's been bringing me joy as well as like thinking about just more this intentional process of food in the halal you consuming halal food has shown me just how difficult it is to even locate it you know like I was at I was somewhere I was trying to get the halal wings for the birthday party and just didn't exist where I was at and so realizing how difficult it is to access healthy foods is insane and we talk a lot talk a lot about that through a like our grocery program and our our farming realizing like you know the quote-unquote food deserts that exist but even if you are someone who has the ability to travel to purchase food you realize how difficult how far you got to go so that's one thing I noticed and then also to your point where if you think about it excuse me if you go back centuries food was pretty much localized until you have like real roads put into place to where now you're connecting you know the east to the west and the north to the south right but because of this I guess like yeah because of advances in technology and making things like easily accessible we don't even start to think how food is impacted when it has to travel from Idaho to Maine from Florida to Oregon and what is used to preserve that food or even you see sometimes meats it's like you getting a meat from like Thailand New Zealand you get beef and ground beef from six different countries bro so it's like you literally have no idea if it's this is like six different cows you were actually eating at one time like that is very well we don't even stop to think about it because of what accessibility oh no accessibility and then oh price like oh we're just gonna eat this like some people don't have a choice that's what's so wild yeah not for real like what how would you eat if you know you only had to rear these two cows or these chickens right like even the way that you will consume it would be on a what I need versus what I want like so much of our life is governed by what we desire versus like what do you actually need to be satiated and that's what I learned through Ramadan like it's crazy how I'm hurts a while how I'm starting the other day I was oh I'm so of course in Ramadan you slow down but I was like oh my god I'm so hungry it's like I don't necessarily need food but again it's how it's here in America a lot of the propaganda so much of the media is always about getting what you want getting whatever desire whenever you want it versus really thinking like what do I actually need like why am I consuming this food if you start to think about why you eating what you're eating for it would change the way you approach everything right if I'm eating for fuel if I'm eating mostly for fuel I'm eating to feel good afterwards it's gonna change the way you eat but you know they don't want us to be critical thinkers here because once you start thinking about one thing you start thinking about you know that's why I realized once you have like discipline with food too you know because I've been like strictly halal for a bit now and like just having that discipline of okay this is what I'm about to put in my body like and then making those adjustments like all right if I'm traveling like you know might not always be access alright I'm gonna have to adjust my diet but still having like that discipline like it's helped me in air other areas of my life you know when I've had that discipline with food like okay this is like like you just talking about working out if I'm not working out why do I need to eat the same way I ate last night I worked out for two and a half hours yesterday so I'm gonna need to eat a lot more to rebuild my body and my body to be able to build back up but if I eat or if I ain't working out why would I eat the same way you know so I was like eating to match our lifestyle versus eating just to consume and over consume the diet look at the West you feel me like look at like in general like the way food is being weaponized against our people and our bodies full of mind bro for real like you come on like this sometimes they bring out food I'm like like this can literally be cut in half I can literally be cut in half like you why is this even offered you know in this size bro like just the most insane things possible in the West like that's that's the West it just tries to make everything as extravagant as possible but at what cost the cost of your health the cost of yourself the cost of your well-being the cost of your people's well-being the cost of the planet's well-being as well because if we think about like he was talking about like the way foods is shipped and this you know and period was the economy you feel me it's like the food is more localized the environment would be better all this should take how much energy to transport slaughter like mass water like we have like farms in every city farms in every locale and it's really on some farm to table versus you know obviously there's certain things we're gonna need to track a certain regions of course are gonna grow certain things that you know so of course there's gonna be a you know some economic interdependence between different locales and whatnot but food and independence rather yeah that's that's you jam a agriculture it was there he was talking about come on every every backyard should have a little planter box a little farm every neighborhood should have one every school should have one you know we'll get there when we ultimately get control of our own destinies and overall lives that's what it's all about the nation is allowing you to consciously contribute to the governing of your life step-by-step see-by-see brick-by-brick I would say was brought me some joy is just spending time with my family of course like everyone else in this world who is impacted by COVID my family was one that spent a lot of time together as much as we could we was always having some sort of family get together some party some holidays and yeah that was just halted with COVID and then you have this generation of youth who are all working in different fields right to where you have my family that a lot of my cousins work in sectors that cost them to travel and to be like by coastal and stuff and then you have parts of my family that have been impacted by gentrification so I pushed out and can't afford to live here right so you just have us all very spread out but I would say over the last like six months it's been a group effort to spend more time together and yeah something I value and appreciate you know rereading the meditations on wretched of the earth by James jockey sales and he talks about us new Africans beginning to model the familial structure of Europeans of colonizers you know like you grow up and you will see like Europeans and Euro-Americans they really just be focused on like that nucleus like the mom dad and brother and sister and like that's all like media household they would be at the hell of weird today cousins and shit you know I'm saying like that's my half sister that's my number one time somebody told you when I was my half brother I'm like nigga what I took it as like purists but you that just shows you how they view family you know like ages I don't know and as a result of us right for non says no one can be in a society and I be of it as new Africans constantly being subjected to social economic and political institutions that not that are not for us does culture that is not for us we sometimes unconsciously adopt that model and then when you take into consideration us no longer having the means to actually even congregate and live near one another how we used to write Oakland being in at its height I believe in like 87 47% black something like that right and when I was growing up in Oakland having like you know I lived on 47 my grandma lived on 54th my dad lived on 50 second and in the north it goes from 47 to 51st so that's two blocks away from me right jump over my dad and my aunt living two blocks away from me my other grandma living on 65th right so this is like my entire family living in a ten block radius where I'm walking and riding my bike so all these things have just led to us being separated culture and then the economic situation but you know we bringing that shit back so I'm I'm juice well yeah when you able to look at your self right as like the inner evolution that you age and see the growth that you make and then you're able to see that kind of transcend yourself and spread into your tribe your your immediate community your broader community this is why I have so much faith in the Republic of New Africa because I see it in my I see it in my everyday life I see them every day life you know every while though you feel me you see like the decisions you make and then how the decisions you make then influence the decisions of other people or like can help change other people you know I'm saying or help bring other people together like that's and those internal struggle it's difficult that's why I say it's beautiful because it's a struggle it's an uncomfortable struggle but that uncomfortable struggle always a foundation for some beautiful and it start with self cuz once you start doing that inner work and breaking free of the matrix you want to bring as many people with you I think that's just a very African thing to do like I think that's the African world view like we are communal people excuse me but I also think that's the very revolutionary humanist thing to do is when you find something to add values as value to your life excuse me he's supposed to just hold on to it try to share with as many people as possible walking in the safe no it's supposed to be unlocked and share with the rest of humanity try to share with as many people as possible so I think as we've been able to get creative with our own lives you know we try to share that with other people that's why you see okay now you cooking for people's birthdays parties you know I'm planning family vacations and if I can get people to come together to do shit like get high and drunk I got to be able to get people to come together to do better things you know if I'm with my you know I was doing a lot of things with people that was detrimental to our well-being you know and it wasn't my intent to be detrimental to myself or to them right but it's just the culture that we live in where you consume you drink you smoke you snort without thinking you pop you know and that's just and so I we've been talking we gonna talk about this now with this episode about sacrifices and discipline and determination right but I believe us as new Africans we just don't have any time to waste we're not taking control with George Jackson says season you know grabbing the bull by the horns I think we got to look for as much control as we can in our lives and once we get that control we want all of it in every sector government agriculture all education like once I got to control it is I want control everything you know I'm saying and not to be a tyrant or to be a dictator but I actually have control people you talk about the wincy you talk about the new African I want mass control I want mass control and right now we do not have that we do not have mass control not at all that's what we're organizing for hella black new episode subscribe patreon.com backslash hella black pod go to our youtube youtube search hella black pod I know y'all know where it's at you feel me search that hella black how many subscribers do we have we only have 2,000 we only have 2,600 subscribers we need more than that y'all y'all be listening but not subscribing enough you feel me so be sure to subscribe you know I'm saying especially I ain't too many of y'all who are patrons at least y'all could do is subscribe so this is me tell y'all to stop what you was doing pull over on the side of the road if you're listening to this in the car don't text and drive don't don't subscribe and drive but tap in with our youtube tap in with our apple podcast Spotify if you got a few dollars to spend you feel me to help with production costs go to patreon.com slash hella black pod but yeah hella black we got a good episode in store today in a important episode I like to say all of our episodes are important but this one feels very timely it's always timely every day this episode you know the content of this is timely like you were saying before like we got to have that understanding of time I mean we got to do it fast we got to have a sense of urgency within the struggle you know this is a urgent topic that urgent thing for us to have a understanding and an overstanding of as well if that that urgency is a byproduct of no one's history and so giving folks a little history lesson today um for those I'm sure I mean if you're a listener of hella black an avan listener of hella black you are aware of the influence that the black Panther Party the Republic of New Africa the Black Liberation Army the Malcolm X grassroots movement the new african peoples organization has had on our work and so you should be familiar with who Matus Dr. Matus Shakur is who passed away last week on Juma and friday last friday yeah it's past friday um and so we want to spend some time today talking about Dr. Matus Shakur uh and this idea of martyrdom of revolutionary suicide and of using everything at your disposal for the betterment of humanity and a part of that process of bettering the humanity for new africans for black peoples new african independence movement and uh revolutionary nationalism first we got to start with who is Dr. Matus Shakur honestly I feel like it's very hard to describe you can you can just in a few minutes give an introduction to Dr. Matus Shakur you know everything he has done for the people everything he has sacrificed uh his his willful sacrifices uh intentional sacrifice for the people you know i'm saying like words can't do with justice in my opinion the best justice will be our action which we'll definitely talk about later right our action in terms of building programs and building the new african nation you know i'm saying but Dr. Matus Shakur new african muslim revolutionary you feel me a part of a variety of different organizations over the years father to tupac Shakur some might say stepfather but we know the Shakur family they see themselves as family ain't no ain't no half stepping with that you know i'm saying uh father grandfather part of the ram the revolutionary armed task force the bl a the rna you know i'm saying so we think about all the organizations he's influenced and played a a part in over the years you feel me he has been a part of this generational struggle the Shakur family in general has been a part of every significant organization black at organization new african organization you feel me from the unia to the rna and mature Shakur is a part of that you know i'm saying uh architect architect of thug life you know i'm saying we hear tupac Shakur talking about thug life you feel me he was the architect of the of the code of conduct you feel me um laid truces between you know crypts and bloods you feel me all from behind bars like mature to me was a man who was very selfless you know i'm saying in terms of like i don't got to be me but you know you're gonna you're gonna feel me even if you don't know it's coming from me you know i'm saying like behind the scenes in some degree you know um being incarcerated his impact from behind bars is something that is almost immeasurable in my opinion i used to acupuncturist you know i'm saying like a real doctor that's like you really study these people lives you know i'm saying what they've contributed to the struggle and they time period and what they've done from being a part of revolutionary organizations to him being a doctor of acupuncture and going to school at the same time is making all these contributions to the people into the organizations he was a part of into the movement in general as i that to me just tells me why tighten up feel me we can you know these folks have been doing so much work having to you know balance some nine to five job doing them clinical type of work and still struggling alongside the people and using the skills that they got from whatever institutional was whether it be acupuncture you know uh and then bringing that to the people right he's bringing detox he was talking about the chemical warfare he was talking about the warfare of food you feel me you're talking about chemical warfare we understand that the united states government the cia the cocaine intelligence agency the u.s you know military forces you know smuggling in drugs and bringing it back into the community and poisoning our people dr matul found a way to detox the people you know what i'm saying like to set up a detox clinic and to start a whole method that is credited to filming the nada method right so like you talk about a holistic revolutionary people talk about holistic man holistic in every aspect from organizing gangs to you feel me allegedly you know i'm saying getting down getting busy you know i'm saying being literally like the riko you know oftentimes we hear about riko we think about the mafia my mom is like he was charged with riko feel me i saw he you know gives a shining example of what it means to be a new african a shining example of what it means to be a muslim a shining example of what it means to be a soldier for the people a soldier for the new african independence movement and i don't mean soldier just as in the engaging in quote-unquote armed warfare but a soldier in terms of providing free health care to the people getting people off of drugs and helping them detox you know i'm saying raising the family even from behind bars giving revolutionary ethics to tupac and influencing tupac's music that has transformed a lot of people's lives you know so i consider him to be one of our greats one of our greats for sure i almost can you know we'll get into it a little more later but consider him to be a martyr for the movement if we understand the way that uh our health our health can be deteriorated by being behind bars you feel me so along with the spirit of dr matul Shakur hopefully we could do our best to honor him not only in this episode but through our work of building the cadre organization through our work in the new african independence movement yeah i mean you've already in addition to that being a great introduction into into his work we could never do with justice ever just because the only things we know are what's been told to us by other people you know i'm saying like i've only had the chance to hear him speak live once and now it's only was fresh home and for like a brief with like one or two minutes maybe a few minutes you know so all the work that we are seeing have been have has been told through a you know second or third parties uh but he is someone that i believe we can all uh model our lives after anyone that's you know if you needed a revolution a role model that's somebody that you could turn to with without question especially as you say he used whatever skills he had if that was acupuncture if it was ethics and getting people to abide by a certain code he used whatever he could to build the nation master plans to freeze out allegedly yeah a lot a lot of respect uh and love for him and like you said the best we could do is speak life into him right as much as we can and honor him through actual programming that's the the best way uh yeah to keep his legacy going i mean he's without a doubt had a big influence on both of us probably before we even knew yeah if i'm listening to park as a kid i'm saying like i think about like literally having one of them first you know two pox cds that uh our guy my it was like the explicit version and i remember just first the first time really like sending my room i'm listening to it and then my mom heard it and so you gotta take it back let me go get the cleaver it's about about even there i'm being impacted by my tool without even knowing it you feel me then i get older and get the consciousness but okay it's you feel me and my freshman year at college is when i like really really got in the tupac like of course you know you're growing up in oakland my dad in the music like you know who tupac is but it's something about using him as a guy to get through life when you're 18 in college and these dorms and you up and humble is you doing all types of shit you know like you on your excuse me you on your own trying to figure out life and so if tupac is guided me and the chicor family are the ones who've guided tupac then you know the black part of the party has been influencing me for a very long time then of course my fucking grandma and my uncle you know so yeah but um yeah the chicor family has influenced our work the first book we read as cadre was a asada's autobiography boom feel like that was the first book that people's programs cadre has ever read and still currently starting 2016 yeah we still still start with anytime we want you new internal pe cadre asada chicor is the first book we read um we just did a recent podcast that drops tomorrow or well i don't drops this week um on the legacy of tupac chicor trying to right some of the wrongs that mass media propaganda has done against him and bashing his name and his character um and then yeah afini lemumba zade syneca like these are all you know the chicor family you know it's like a long legacy and these are people who we've like who i know you and i have have studied individually and thus it's going to impact the organization you know what i'm saying um and then you look at matulu's work which you mentioned with the link and detox center um with and over in the bronx with the young lords right um that has directly impacted the work that the people's programs uh free health clinic is doing right um we have a piece that was published in our blog uh let me i'm i know it's i'm not gonna try to guess the word the title but it was written by we have two separate pieces written by uh both ab and raven the first one is let me put my medium it's like i organized oh here we go this is why you need a producer dog but let me pull it up here we go dope is death acupuncture heals that is by ab should check that out a look at how uh the work of matulu and nada and the young lords and the detox clinic influences the work that we're doing at people's programs and then chemical warfare uh written by raven gives you some of the historical context that a boss was talking about as it pertains to the cia transporting drugs or trafficking drugs um into the united states and specifically uh into these urban areas as a means to attack the black power movement right and so read those two pieces chemical warfare and um dope is death acupuncture heals right those give you a direct insight into how the work of matulu Shakur and the lincoln detox center impacts the work of people's programs and i think lastly for for myself uh the Shakur family's approach to self-determination and providing for the people has directly impacted me um you know i read monster earlier this year by sanika and some of those last chapters where he talks about being politicized right uh and starting to shift and change his life uh you see him really just talk a lot about determination you know uh and then what pock listening to you know a lot of his music uh and those last interviews once he's released from uh clinton correctional facility and talking about what he wants to do with and some of the organizing work that he wants to do um and then reading the sign of Shakur's autobiography right like you just uh they have a lot of strength and heart and they were willing to do whatever it took uh to take care of the people and that's something that i try to embody um every single day to the best of my ability and so i i really can't thank the Shakur family enough uh for the influence they've had on me as individual and trying to take that individual influence and work that into the culture and processes of people's programs yeah the Shakur family shows us what a new african family can and should look like showing a commitment to struggle no matter the generation you feel me each generation must pick up the torch and it just shows us the way family can be seen as you know oftentimes it's uh only seen as all blood you know what i'm saying but tupac you feel me viewed as asada as his auntie as a god you know what i'm saying like you ain't that's family like this conception of family and this conception of choosing to struggle under like a certain mode of ethics a certain way of struggle you know i'm saying this with the Shakur household you feel me chose to do so i think that just shows us like the ways we could intentionally build and the way we can intentionally struggle as a new african tribe as a new african nation and how it's important to have that family structure as well you feel me in not the quote-unquote nuclear family of the west but we see time and time again through each decade through each generation how a Shakur has risen a Shakur has has worked to fight against capitalist imperialism you feel me you don't get a tupac without on the tool you don't get a tupac without a afini without a lumbar without a Abishakur you feel me it's the way it's transformed from each generation you know so for me that makes that's just like a lesson on family building a strong family so the struggle can continue you feel me so that struggle can keep living on you feel me until our people are free and that's just a very inherent african thing to do if you look at the concept of tribes an african tradition where you know it was not like oh that's stone so is baby like that's our baby that's the religious baby um and we got to get back to that because the way that we've been taught to engage each other it's your way it's a it's a it's a colonial way i'm even reading this book right now uh empire of the summer moon or something let's talk about the uh command she's right but then in in the early chapters there are talking about like the settlers that was sent and just look they would have since he just like sending people off to die like you go on to the new frontier you feel me with like nothing that's a very european way uh your american way of looking at life to where it's like if y'all go out there make something shake it's cool but really we just you know out to die you know and you look at the way europeans uh you know before they was enslaving us they was enslaving each other like in nasty ways you know i'm saying not the ways that african tribes will go to war and uh take prisoners of war and then raise the prisoners of war as part of the tribe now and no no they was enslaving they was enslaving each other uh in very volatile ways and so any like we just got to reject all european culture but it's hard when they've been able to manipulate european culture into making it seem like it's a new african culture so that's why you got no your history you got you got no your history if i uh read how europe underdeveloped africa and it gives you a little bit of insight into um those african empires that existed in african culture that existed pre uh contact with with the europeans right where you get uh the dahoni uh in modern day benign you get the uh gana kingdom in modern day molly you get uh sun high in modern day molly you get the gold coast in modern day gana you get uh canum in modern day chad you get tack wear in modern day senegal like look at how these you feel me how we act and look at the culture that was produced to these people uh now i'll also say beyond below even if it is a uh a look at black islamic history but you look at some of these cultures and how we act you look at having three quarters of the empire in those books they talk about how we enter how uh culture is a byproduct of who governs the nation and look at how we interact with each other it was very humanistic and not this reactionary humanistic where you talk civil and human rights but you push an exploitative system right like i would just say y'all these are two books that come to my mind uh to where you can start to look at some of the ways that we engage with each other it's not about going back to that type of way it's about bringing that world view that understanding that history so you can i want for you what i want for me uh so that we can figure out how to bring that to life in this 21st century and it shows you we've done it before so now let's learn from the contradictions of the past and move it forward to establish the new african nation that's what we have to do we have to understand history so we get applied to our current and our current allows us if we understand the past and we get applied to our current doing that allows us to become future focused because if we ain't thinking generations ahead of us what are we doing right now we are we truly preparing for the next generations behind us if we ain't preparing for the future means like what what what malcom said who taught you to hate yourself and we should ask who who taught us to live this way like who taught us to live whose culture is this who taught us to live this way who taught us to think this way who's culture even when we talk about like black culture what is black culture that's another podcast but we just want to get y'all to get y'all minds thinking like who taught you to eat like this to think like this to move like this right um but on the getting back to the topic at hand um we posed you spoke on something earlier around wanting to honor uh matulu and all those we have lost um as martyrs to the movement as people who consciously went out to change the world around them and uh specifically make a better life for new africans right so how can we as individuals and as a college organization honor our martyrs like a matulu i want to say look at matulu's life and look out at how he struggled like he struggled a certain way he decided to struggle he made a commitment to struggle even if that meant you know him losing his life even if that meant uh him being locked up for most of his life right he made that commitment to the people uh he removed that fear from his heart and said i i believe in god and god alone and i believe in the freedom for humanity and i'm a fight i'm a fight with every ounce of my being to do so so the one way matulu but he already lives on he already lives on but the way he keeps living is by following his spirit by following the the decisions he made uh by avenging him you know i'm saying like that's the best way we honor our martyrs is to avenge the oppressors who oppressed matulu to establish justice to abolish tyranny to abolish oppression right that's the way we best honor our martyrs our our following soldiers right and i'm not just talking about the individual co or the individual cop i'm talking about the system that produces the co is a system that produces the cops the system that uh brought us here the the the people who still benefit from the legacy transatlantic slave trade right i'm talking about this whole system of capitalist imperialism that's how we avenge our martyrs that's how we best do it now day to day that's struggling with yourself making that internal changes but also being a part of a a cadre organization who was mature apart what was mature part of throughout his life cadre organizations uh one might have you feel me not seized to exist and then he joined another you know i'm saying so join the organization is how you join an organization that is doing real work if you don't have an organization doing working your locale build it build it create it you feel me have a material program right shift the material reality of your people's lives that's how we we honor them let's do our work let's do our actions right and making that commitment because that's what it comes from commitment we got to have a commitment and have an internal discipline internal fortitude that we ain't finna compromise we ain't finna compromise but two will never compromise our martyrs never compromised you know so to honor them it's to avenge them and you know not just this uh gop you know people might hear that and be oh just go you know third phase and just war right away but it's that day to day practice and it's that day to day practice of building a program so we can actually secure the land so that we can actually secure the republic of new africa right and that's how i would say our martyrs live on that's how our our fallen soldiers live on is do do our day to day actions they already live in but now let's let's let's be feeling let's take that energy because in many ways i would say it's the it's our martyrs that allow us to struggle right it's our martyrs who are at the foundation of these movements because without the the bloodshed of our martyrs we wouldn't know how to struggle we wouldn't have that sense of purpose we wouldn't have that example you know of of freedom of trying to become independent you know i'm saying like even if we look at like uh in algeria for example right the all the martyrs of that right uh who you know took violent means to free the land from the french you feel me that installed a certain spirit within the struggle of africans throughout the continent you know i'm saying if we think about france finan going to the all african peoples conference and saying on violence where did you learn on violence from algeria you feel me where did that concept of violence come from it came from martyrs saying now we is going to fight by any means necessary even if that results in our death and then that spirit finan spread through the all african peoples conference then the african continent in general moved towards independence then that spirit moved to the black panthe party that spirit moved through malcom you know i'm saying so the foundation is our martyrs so how are we going to honor them is the question that we have to ask ourselves are we going to honor them or are we going to just say oh those are our martyrs and that's that are we going to say on now we should live like how they lived we should remove fear from our hearts we should stand up straight hey i no matter what and then struggle against all odds against these euro americans against capitalism periodism that's what i would say i agree but how do we develop this uh you know syphil bacharis talks about like this spirit of struggle you know what i'm saying within our people all right how do we continue this spirit of struggle you know and how do our martyrs fit into that our fallen soldiers fit into that i think me and you have talked about it a little bit throughout this episode is what has allowed us to uh further entrench ourselves and deepen our commitment is by learning about the people who did it before us right so that sometimes you get a story of engraved detail like a revolution like a revolutionary suicide which is the autobiography of huy p newton or you get this out of glory the autobiography of david hilly right who is the chief of staff of the black panther party or you get it in small tidbits like uh the war before with syphil bachari on her essays and she talks about being captured and uh virginia and she alludes and she mentions uh comrades masai and kumbosi right um kumbosi was shot and then stumped to death by the clerks right in the store um and then i believe had his body cremated before his mom could even identify you know i'm saying and so when you learn these stories on both for grand dose and very small skills like how i personally feel i cannot speak to the republic of new africa the new african independence movement and i try my best giving the context of my life that doesn't mean i have to go out and be kumbosi it doesn't mean i have to be masai doesn't mean i have to be hillier doesn't mean i have to be bachari doesn't mean i have to be any of the shekours but like what is my maximum contribution to this thing if i'm gonna keep talking about it what are the things that i can do give them the context of my life right being a historical dialectical materialist using that methodology what can i do in the context of my life and i believe that you start to ask what can i do when you start to understand what's been done so first and foremost about how we develop the spirit of struggle is by truly knowing our history this is why they give us reduced stories of history every day this is why they give us warped versions of history every day because they want you to follow a very specific path this is why you don't get they hardly show you the clip of marlin with the king saying uh to tell a bootless man to pick himself up by his bootstraps to free a people and give them no economic base they don't show you those clips because when king was talking that shit what is he talking sovereignty nationalism no economic he's talking nationalism they don't show you that clip right this is why they give uh why they why they'll show Malcolm right where they'll make a movie about Bob Marley but i tell you that Bob Marley was killed by the CIA this is why they'll do this documentary on Tupac Shakur and paint him to be this crazy lost kid right because they want you to see history in a very specific way and a warped view that will that's why they give you honest aid why they give you honest aid this is why they you know this is why they this is why they give you these warped versions of history this is why they give these stories of inclusion right uh because you they want you to model your life in a very specific way so us as cadres we have to do the revolutionary cadre we have to do the grandos job of preventing objective revolutionary history to the people in that understanding it's what's happened with us we got objective revolutionary history i tell you like read the story about this person you tell me read the story about this person what happens we're like oh that's how you supposed to live everybody all humans need mentors oh everyone needs mentorship bro if a period plain blank right and so uh with a lot of our mentors being locked up and i say the new african revolutionaries who are still behind bars uh or we have to we have to those that are out here laundering the extended plantation we have to do the best we can to uh give our people objective versions of history uh and with this you create the conditions for each individual to start to wonder what can i do to get involved what what can i do that's how we started right what do we say read who you can do what can oh shit what can i do all right we know the breakfast program we know some of that history we read a sada then we see and people living in the streets was like all right maybe it's not in the schools and we just start with the houses camps first that might be a good way to get people to come out and organize because people see this and people want to make a change so we'll start right here so if that happens for us i like to go in historical materials if that happened for us what that's gonna happen for the people if that's what that's how the cadre has grown what do we do we introduce history correct history so the rest of the to the rest of people we came in contact with and that's how cadre is about that's how you get cadre one cadre two cadre three uh hundreds of volunteers with the conditions of you know continuing to grow this organization but that all came through understanding our history and once folks understand their history they want to figure out how they can get involved in the real way and yeah i would say lastly the one of the key elements of understanding one's history is it puts you talk about this all the time putting it it puts your own struggles into context where it's how can i feel so like bro the more and more i learn history the less and less sorry i feel for myself every single day no matter what what no matter what comes up against me it's like how can you complain when this happened it's not to erase what i feel it just puts it in context like because we put it in context and it makes you your issues not seem like it's the end of the world because what is they there's a reason why this mass medias they do a good job of making you feel like everything is fatal they want you to be pessimistic they don't they take a hit they take a loss they don't what they do they reconvene you get the g20 to g7 nato african whenever they they go figure it out they're gonna just it's never fatal for them failure is never fatal and then the united states fails all the time but they reconvene they figure out a way to contain it the colonizer the colonizer failed all the time you was out out on bay you was also wearing what you seen them having a conference about how to address a contradictory force global force how do we address it they read hana you feel me how do we turn these other asian nations against china and develop the military alliance to attack china when they have these forms like the the g7 form where you have uh the united states and italy and germany and france coming together to plan global expansion right when they have the g20 summit where you get the 20 richest nations plus the european union coming together they're not just talking about wins they're talking about we're taking losses over here bruh what can we do to figure this out so for us stranglehold we have to take the same approach right this is what karmic teresa is why every day i'm telling blackly they're beautiful black people we can come together black we will win because you got to have that hope you got you got to have that hope the colonizer has the hope against all odds we got to have that right we got that belief you know so i would say learning your history push your struggle in the context and it's not to it's not to say like oh i shouldn't feel like yeah things hurt man you know like yeah you might not be sitting in solitary confinement but you figuring out how to fuck you gonna make rent or you having issues with self-worths or no matter you know like that's a very real thing yeah but understand that that don't gotta be that ain't gotta be fatal there's you gotta you gotta find your strength from somewhere and for me it comes from understanding history when i understand that you know syphia bakari was in maximum security when i understand that asado was in the bottom of a men's prison when i understand that matulu because of organizing right that he was that he was doing with tupac chicory was sent to colorado and then placed was sent to them one of the the the most maximum security prisons that the united states has to offer and then was put at the bottom of that motherfucker come on d you you could tighten up you can figure this out we don't figure it out you can figure it out you can figure this out bro you up against what they was up against what it but you got certain resources you know i'm saying like we it just put that in the context in so i say that's how we develop in short if i can give you the three bullet points again it's teaching the people their history a correct objective version of history revolutionary history that alone will lead to people wanting to figure out how they can get involved in a real way and understand that history puts your struggle in the context and so i say teaching our people and and embodying what we learned is how we can is how we can develop that spirit of struggle throughout time in across the nation the new african nation my startup is one such spirit is built that's how everything moved forward you feel me words like this becomes a part of a revolutionary ethos revolutionary morals you feel me to where we can actually establish revolutionary consciousness and we can establish revolutionary consciousness in the next step we're gonna free the way you know what i'm saying if we have that mass consciousness of the people we have that national unity that's developed seeing we govern ourselves all right we're gonna fight for that naturally then we can actually really have new african culture we can really have a real a real nation you feel me that honors all the people who made the sacrifices the ultimate sacrifices for it to exist uh so you mentioned a little bit earlier around uh like health issues and so we've seen health issues take the lives of our soldiers in the movement do you believe this to be a result of intelligence operations you know people want to say sometimes you go into discussions like this that you're having conspiracy theories and that's your you know we shouldn't talk about these things and that what happened happened but uh yes i do and i think there's evidence to show that the cia is part of a where they operate you feel me if we understand that the u.s. government will do anything and everything to maintain its control that we understand the chemical warfare that is being used the the biological warfare the we're talking about nuclear bombs we're talking about ai we're talking about all this technology that the united states has do we think that the u.s. government itself isn't purposely trying to kill people through using certain diseases to assassinate people to make it look like and nothing happened right if we look at all the assassination attempts attempts on fidel castro like one time he got he got sick like from something and where they had like this like sickness that he got you feel me after he attended like a conference you feel me so i was like all these assassination attempts what do we think was happening we feel me uh if we look at uh ibrahim uh france omar finan he was ultimately brought to the united states by the cia right to get health work done as soon as he gets to the u.s. eight weeks later he he dies so and then we look at it we have no cia files you feel me nothing has been shown on them you know what i'm saying we have no no type of papers there was someone who tried to get some of the fbi files you can't find any of the fbi files so he just mysteriously got sick at that time period when a lot of leaders was mysteriously getting sick you had a uh hugo chavez uh mysteriously get sick you know i'm saying we're people in his country alleged oh no this was a result of the cia if we know they they type of warfare is to make it look like oh something natural happened right we have bob marley bob marley the the cia a cia agent on his deathbed said i killed bob marley you feel me that is just like pretty much oh it's a conspiracy like when you had the cia agent admit to it on his deathbed they always admit to the work you feel me that like that's that's part of their signature is you feel me they will show signs of what they are doing and not say if all we can either confirm nor deny right so we have bob marley that happened to bob marley right uh cia admitted to it what do you die of so we understand that these biological warfare can be used in my opinion well bob marley that is a fact if we see the cia approve it and then you see the articles on it you know i'm saying like that's their signature that's part of part of the way they do it right so when i think about this question of it being used on our political prisoners and prisoners of war behind bars yes if we understand for sure that even being behind bars and the lack of healthcare that is part of chemical warfare that is part of like scientific warfare you feel me of thinking about even the materials that is used in prisons you know i'm saying and how health complications can come from certain materials that is being made to use prisons that was designed to essentially give people cancer right even if we look at and this is where i come in and like then think about this concept of martyrdom like you dying behind bars from from health diseases you feel me that is a part of the struggle that's to me you a martyr you know i'm saying like do you a martyr because that like even uh france finan he's buried in the the grave of martyrs in uh Algeria so it was like people understood at that time period that now the cia is doing these certain things to our people it's very plausible it was very plausible that this is a part of the warfare as well as part of the warfare so i would say you i agree they've shown no matter what way you take it whether it's being incarcerated and being denied health access that is part of the health neglect that is slowly killing someone that is part of how do you monitor someone that you see what happens at the bottom of the jail you know i'm saying and being in max you know i'm saying and not having the right access to healthcare that is a part of slowly killing someone so that's why i say i consider this a feeble card to be a martyr she had to have a hysterectomy to Shakur to be a martyr you feel me right so i think it's it's important we understand that uh the devilish ways of warfare by the central intelligence agency the fbi and the so-called u.s government i consider anyone who's been a known target of u.s intelligence agencies their death to be a result of uh that repression in oppression period point blank so how do we understand death then as it relates to the movement and people making the ultimate sacrifice first we gotta realize that death is the only thing that's promised after birth i think once you start to change your relationship to to death uh the way you look at it it can alleviate some of the pressure once you make that conscious decision to combat the colonial racist capitalist imperialist forces by any means necessary right and so in the context of movements again anytime africans have stood up to colonial reactionary forces we've been met with the threat of death um but uh honestly i think africans who stand on principles live forever look how many people that aren't here in the physical form that who we named today alone you go into the people's programs warehouse we got uh by no means is that less exhaustive because all the rank and file martyrs who exist uh whether it was in that turnage rebellion whether it was in the hasten revolution whether it was you know all the martyrs are the names that we don't even know you feel that it's still they live and still is living within us as we organize they live on and so uh africans who stand on principles or whether we talk about my great grandpa who for all i know never did no quote unquote uh conscious revolutionary act against the state but just the way that he stood on business for his family martyr or uh live forever i should say live forever you know what i'm saying and so africans who stand on principles we're gonna die you know what i'm saying and so uh when it comes to death and the movement like hui said in revolutionary suicide he accepted he understood that a death for the people was uh a death much better than choosing to just die by the hands of the state knife and i fight back you know because we're gonna go regardless in the condition that they created for us where uh since 1950 the black population in this country has grown from 15 million to 40 million all right we live in the genocidal conditions why the white population has grown by 100 million while the hispanic population has went from two to 60 all right it's it's clear that what we live in the conditions that we live in as new africans is genocidal so we're gonna die regardless we might as well uh die for the people and even like i was telling in cadre three i'm like man i don't even i'm not i would not consider myself a martyr by any means if i was to die today whatever but i know the way that i've treated my family like i'm gonna live forever i'm good the way that i rock for my nieces and nephews and my siblings and my grandparents like well god nothing to worry about i'm gonna be here i know they're gonna be talking about me and cookouts forever bro that's just that's just what it is because i just stood on principles i stood on business and so when you talk about doing something that impacts the masses of people come on man you you're gonna be good so i think death is the last thing we should worry about because it's already promised it was just already promised and so i think you should be worried about how you live right that's what george said i'm like i'm not concerned with how long i live but how well i live and so i'm concerned and i think all africans should be concerned with the impact we have on this world and that impact is a byproduct of the way that we treat the people we come in contact with on a daily basis and the principles and morals that we decide to stand on and folks like el haj Malik el shabbaz folks like marlitha king so folks like syphia bakari folks like q.e.p newton uh folks like uh kumbosi amistad masayot elosi folks like matulu folks like tupac folks like asin afini you know folks like sanika list goes on and on and on you know they understood that so they live forever straight up straight up especially when you understand them as martyrs you feel me like they live it all matulu haj malik ibrahim franz omar fennan you feel me syphia bakari sheik no all these martyrs of the movement all these martyrs uh live on so if we don't we don't see it as death we don't see it as death because we know they live in we know their spirit is alive and we know they spirit of struggle is guiding us you feel me is guiding us through our actions today through organizing through the way we is thinking through the way we is attempting to build you feel me so how could we say they die like you say all we the one promise we have is death you feel me and if we want to avenge our martyrs too we have to also accept in my opinion we have to live like a martyr you feel me that's that's the lesson they teach me is okay live like a martyr have no fear have no only you know only fear god have no fear of them taking my flesh because they take my flesh whatever i'm still living i'm still here you know i'm saying and i think throughout the whole black liberation movement the new african independence movement we've seen like you said hui was talking about in revolutionary suicide we talk about hui newton when he gave the eulogy for george jackson he said george jackson even after his death you see is going on living in a very real way because after all the greatest thing that we have is the idea and our spirit because it can be passed on you feel me so this concept of martyrdom has been within the movement for generations you know i'm saying yeah what for him to say uh you can kill a revolutionary but you can't kill the revolution that's applying that you can kill a revolutionary but that spirit of the revolutionary lives on through the through the revolution yeah you feel me so like these people who made the ultimate sacrifice who were martyred they accepted death didn't mean they wasn't looking for george's at that moment but they had to accept it which is why you know we feel sadness of course that's the natural part but we should also uh should celebrate them we should honor them you feel me because they made that willful decision to engage in a certain way you know so we should celebrate that life we should honor that life you know shed shed some tears if we need to ultimately like they made that decision so for me i feel like when i think about mature i feel a great sense of respect for him i feel a great sense of honor to even know his story you feel me and knowing that he made that conscious decision to live and engage and to live like a martyr that means to me like i gotta tighten myself up i gotta make myself like okay i say yeah don't don't be don't fear death all right how do i further believe that every day how do i further liberate myself you feel me like he liberated himself from this idea of this world like nah i'm gonna struggle in this world as much as i can but i know i got something next for me and i know my spirit from the live forever long live the martyrs that's love avenge them inshallah