 Who cares about privacy? What people care about is power. However, information is power. We take information from the most powerful organizations and we put it in the public record. This disclosure is an attack on the international community. We will not allow Mr. Hassan a safe passage out of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom does not accept the principle of diplomatic responsibility. I just want to understand how you can justify the claim that you are treating him like anybody else. The prosecution of WikiLeaks includes espionage, computer fraud, conspiracy, and theft of US government property. This is a different hacker. His changes in the system is also what he does. I am joined by the director of the film, and by Stella Assange. We hope to be joined by Samuel Bayden, who is currently in the middle of a series of votes in the House of Commons, but will be on a way as soon as the works are laid out. Just to start off the discussion, I would like to first of all ask Clara about the making of the film, really. What got you to be so committed to this cause that you put what must have been an enormous amount of work into making the film? So, thank you for being here. It's really amazing to see this film being screened in London. So I was making some pictures from there, because it's really amazing. Yes, we started 2013, and actually at the beginning we wanted to make a film about the lawyer, about Patasar Garthón. I'm Spanish, and Patasar Garthón, as you saw in the film, he was a renovated lawyer and he just had been suspended. So we wanted to make a film about him. So we went to his village in south of Spain, where my family comes from also. We spoke to him and told him we wanted to make a film about him. And this, that was in July 2013, I think, I don't remember. So in this time, it just came out, or he just accepted to be the lawyer of Jimena Sanchez and Wikileaks. So a lot of press came and then we thought, okay, so maybe that's a sign. So we will start, because we kind of make a film about everything he does. So maybe we will concentrate in this case. So when we started filming, we really didn't know anything about Wikileaks and Julian Sanchez. We really didn't know anything about what we read in the press. But we thought, okay, that's very strange. We are reading these things about Sweden, and we have many other human rights lawyers defending him. So this must be something bigger. And then we just started with a lot of curiosity. We thought in one year we were going to be finished with a film because we were sure the case would be solved in one year. But we were like eight years or so making the film after. Stella, the film ends. It's an amazing thing to think that the film ended at the point where the magistrates called and said that Julian shouldn't be extradited. It's astounding how much happens in this case in such a short period of time as well as how long the case has been going on. So do you want to just say a bit about what's been happening since the end of this film? Sure, just to give people a time scale, so Julian lost his freedom on the 7th of December 2010. And he went into prison for seven days, and then house arrest for a year and a half. And then he was in the Ecuadorian embassy for seven years, and now he's been in Baloch prison for over three years. This film ends in January 2021. And this is the last time that Julian was able to go to court in person because since then, every time he's had a hearing and he's requested to go in person, it's been denied. And he was arrested on the 11th of April 2019, and he's been in Baloch high security prison ever since. It's in South East London. It's sort of far away from everything. I find anywhere I am in London, it's about an hour and a half from there. It's just out in more, I don't know, two days before to get to. So there was an appeal by the U.S. and basically what happened was the U.S. lost, as you saw, and there was a political intervention, basically. The U.S. having lost then pulled the political card and issued what it called assurances, for anything but assurances about prison conditions. And outrageously, the High Court ruled that those were sufficient to change the outcome. And it's absurd because the High Court accepted all the medical evidence. It all stems that if he's placed in extreme isolation, he will be driven to take his own life. It doesn't, the High Court has accepted all that evidence. It's agreed with the magistrate that the conclusions were sound. But it says that it accepts the assurances are a dresser's problem and they obviously don't. Because the assurances themselves, without getting too technical, the wording of the assurances themselves literally say that the U.S. government reserves the right to impose those very same conditions that will kill him. So it's really scandalous and completely incomprehensible that the High Court allowed this to go forward. But as I said, basically what it is is a political intervention, a deference to that political intervention. And now there's an extradition order that has been issued, matters before pre-vetail. The Home Secretary has the discretion to block this extradition and there's a lot of pressure from society groups and press freedom groups for her to do so. Probably the most heavy-weight intervention publicly, as we know, came today from the Human Rights Commissioner of the Council of Europe urging pre-vetail to block it. Well done. Yes, I have been huge mobilization all over Europe in many countries. And 1,800 journalists have written themselves to pre-vetail an open letter saying that this case should be blocked because it affects their safety because of the implications for global press freedom. And the report without borders has had a petition going into the Home Secretary today and in eight different countries, both to the British Embassy, to give this petition 65,000 signatures for this petition alone. In Australia there's a petition of 700,000 signatures. One percent of the entire Australian population has signed that petition to 150,000. Those signatures are from Australians. And there's a lot of pressure for Julian to be extradited, but there's a lot of pressure in the opposite direction as well. Okay, thank you. We'll come to the audience Q&A in just a minute. Just a couple more questions though. Clara, one of the reasons why a group has got together to try and get people on in London, and I'd like to say thanks very much to the Coors and Cinema for having the booking. That wasn't Australian for wood either. But, Clara, one of the reasons we did it is because we heard about the reception that the film was getting elsewhere. So, can you just give us a picture of what's happened to the film, since it's been released? The film was shown in European televisions, in the German television. Well, it's actually a production of the German television, the Belgium television, and the French-Swiss television. So it was broadcasted in public televisions. And then the Italian public television showed it also. And we have been in festivals. And in France, it was really amazing. It was in 80 cities. It was in the cinemas. So, it went very well. It was presented to the MP, people of France in the National Assembly. And I think it was screened there. And we'll be working to get it put on in more cinemas in this country. And of course, you can play a role in that. You can approach your locals in them. You can talk to them about whether or not they'll put on a show or not. You can indeed get copies of it but we've done this really as a kind of springboard to a wider distribution of the film. And I guess that brings me to the question to you, Stella. How important do you think it is that pieces like this, not just films, but the anything-to-say statue, which have cultural interventions in the campaign are? It's incredibly important because, I mean, this film is like any filmmaker's dream, to have it organically just spread. And Julian's case has extraordinary popular appeal. And that's always been attempted to be suppressed since 2010. What you see now with what PayPal has been doing in relation to independent media, construction news and press, for example, they started 12 years ago in 2010 when Wikileaks was publishing Iraq and Afghanistan cable cables and as soon as the State Department cable started being published, there was an unprecedented financial blockade against Wikileaks. And that was an attempted censorship because of this incredible popular appeal that Wikileaks has and had. At the time, the average donation that was coming in was, I think, $15. Wikileaks was making something like, I think, around this time of publication, $100,000 a day in donations. So that got cut off immediately by PayPal when they saw the popular appeal. And another sign of this came a few, a couple of months ago in the crypto world, there was a fundraiser, basically, without using the crypto jargon, a kind of like a cooperative got together of investors to raise to be able to bid in a charity auction for Julian. And in six days, 10,000, over 10,000 people got together to raise $50 million. That's money for his legal appeal, legal cases. So the support is there, but there's also this incredible narrative. One of the things I see on Twitter with these followers with just one, these accounts with one follower, this month, is nobody cares. It matters so much to them to get that message out because they know that the opposite is true and that has to be suppressed. Sorry, what was the question? Cultural impact. Yeah, cultural impact. Yeah, because what we find is that the more ignorant people are about the case, the less impact they are. So the big job we have, I have, and you know, people who are fighting for Julian's freedom is to tell the story. Yeah. Because it goes to the fundamentals. You don't need to convince people you just need to show them what's happening. I don't follow her words because when we were starting making this film, we had to choose, okay, are we going to make an interview film or what kind of film are we going to do? At the beginning, we said, okay, we're just going to follow our characters. We just stay there and just be witness of what we are seeing. And of course, you always have the question, okay, but actually I should go to Sweden and I need to be the woman and I should go to the police station and interview. But we said, no, we stay just with our loved ones because this is a story that is not being told anywhere. So we just stay here and now I'm so happy we did that because really after all these years, we just are the public. When we see the film, we are just there with them. And this story would have never been told if we weren't in there just year after year just with the camera. Thank you. I think this has a value just to be a testimony to be there, not more. Thank you. Okay, thanks very much. Look, I want to give you guys a chance to ask some questions as well. And I mean questions. I've been at this game long enough to know that people in the audience sometimes don't distinguish properly between a speech and a question. But if you'd like to raise your hands, I'll chime in. Yeah, there, in the register. There's a mic just there. Hello. I was wondering, so George Racer ruled against Julian on I guess the legal points of the case that he ruled for Julian on the grounds of his medical condition. And the U.S. was allowed to appeal that before the order went through. And I thought the idea was that the cross-appeal would be allowed to proceed if Julian lost on all of the points, ultimately, and then he would be able to appeal on the points that he had originally lost. And it seemed like that might still be part of the process after, if you could tell, signs the order. But why was the U.S. allowed to appeal on the points that they had lost, or on the point that they had lost before the institution order went to the Home Secretary, but Julian wasn't allowed to appeal on the other points before it goes to the... And I think if I recall, in one of the High Court hearings, I think one of the judges actually made a comment about that when... Or at the preliminary hearings, it might have been where they said we can get to that if he loses the... Yeah. We've got very close. That became a multiple choice question. Can you do your best to untangle the legal way? Yeah. No, I think the rights are... All the points are legal points. She rejected nine and accepted the one that is Section 91, oppression. The High Court has given the option to hear both the U.S. appeal and the cross appeal at the same time. And they chose to just hear the U.S. appeal, because the reasoning is if the U.S. loses them, what's the point? He's won, right? So, yes, where we are at now is that if Pretty Fertile signs the extradition, then we will be given the opportunity to file an appeal, to seek to appeal on all the points that were lost. It's basically as if we had lost back in January 2021. That's the position we're in right now. Why does that opportunity come after Pretty Fertile? Because the extradition order is not active until she signs it. That's when you appeal. And so now is when all the substantive press freedom, political motivation and its prosecution and the fact that this is being extradited from political funds, the abuse involved in the U.S. extradition and everything that came before it. All these points are now will be live if Pretty Fertile signs the extradition. But at the same time, there's also a possibility to in parallel appeal before that I court Pretty Fertile's decision, so it will effectively be drawn against the U.S. and the U.K. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you. Beautiful. Hello. Thank you. Thank you. This was very important film, very moved by the work that you were able to do. This is really what is needed, because people want to know the facts and they want to know the truth. But there's just one thing I wanted to ask. Do you know about the... There's a very, very important quote that John Kilger put out in his speech in Australia, and it's about a document, a secret document which was revealed in March 2008, where he quotes what this secret American Defence Committee set out about Julian that he must be discredited in every way, in every way. So I feel this is a very important thing that should be put out to the public, because my friend, Arvindan Balakrishnan, they did succeed in charging him with what they couldn't do to Julian, charging him with sexual violence. We've got a question, just give us some context. Yeah, I just want to say that... So, yeah, so this... Can I just finish? Come on. Where's the freedom of speech? Come on. We're talking about freedom of speech. But I just have two words to say, and you won't let me say. Come on. I just want to congratulate you on this film. It's very informative and depressing. Sorry. And one thing I'm wondering is, if we couldn't... You know, a lot of this is a PR problem. We can't believe the mainstream media that's kind of a big battle. It seems like a lot of this is more in the politics, but it seems like we can shift the whole message. And I don't see a lot of young people here. Is there a way we can get star power? Do you think so? Can we get, you know, the old rock concert going to get people don't like this? I think that what you're doing is very powerful with this film and it starting to be thinking, can we do this in a bigger way and get pushed sway in the hall? It's funny you just asked exactly that question, but there are no words to consider exactly that possibility at the moment. There's a question just at the back there, I think. Thank you very much. I watched the movie it says Hacking Justice, but I'm observing the movement and the people who are important in the during Assange's case. Don't get me wrong. We are all hacked as well. The words depressing and pessimism is more around the people than optimism and being positive. And the reason for that is we are hacked spiritually and mentally by the mainstream media and enter them in their own doers and people forgot that why during Assange has been persecuted in the first place it is because the war-owners and the criminals they have committed crimes and we do not talk about those crimes of genocide and the funds on art and legal and the movement is shifting It's a good question and there's let me just finish I only want a second because I'm coming from a victim's family let me give you my perspective because you might not have heard the perspective of the victims and this is how this whole campaign is like a one-wing bird it's turning round the other wing is missing and I'm here to give you the other wing the other wing is I'm going to come back on that because the show was very involved in the whole business exposing war crime so can you just let me finish before she answers my question to Stella is can we focus the next wing I say on the trial of the ICC international criminal board to bring those criminals responsible for the genocide of people in Afghanistan and give tell tell Julian Assange make more smiles be happy keep the spirit high we're going to win we're going to bring the war criminals to justice he will use me well thank you there's an important aspect to this which I find sometimes frustrating but sometimes Julian's case gets caught up in as a symbol for points that people want to make about other things and I mean that there's very important and valid criticism for example about the mainstream media but in order to get Julian free making it all about that won't get us Julian's freedom and there has to be a constant check on whether what can be done to achieve Julian's freedom yes and all these other issues are very important and valid issues but as far as the movement to free Julian there's just one objective and that's why I try to be a little bit I try to engage as much as I can and give the the critics and the skeptics a way out and invite them to support Julian I reject the suggestion that they're you know Julian's supporters and the rest I think the majority of people actually support Julian and then there are some fanatics that they're not going to support him or want him in prison there are some people who are undecided because they don't know but given the the obvious people people tend to all agree on the fundamentals of an open and free democratic society and they might have different ways of getting there and different politics around that but Julian is not about left-right and his what is being done to him is cruel and inhumane and I think that the focus on that is what what gets what has a lot of power of bringing people onto the same to open their mind up to hear the story and to understand what's really going on and get rid of all the you know the mud and the politics that people want to make in a way you know sometimes I feel like Julian becomes a he becomes a symbol for other fights and it's really difficult many of those fights are completely valid and important but Julian needs to be free thanks very much I'm really pleased that that's part of the event he has managed to free herself from the onerous great I'm just going to continue my conversation here and then I'll come to you and have a bit of chat about the case I'll give you a chance to settle down but I just don't want to miss the chance of continuing the point that Stella was making about mainstream media with the entire because I think we all understand that the biases that exist in the mainstream media but it's one thing to recognise the bias is another thing to think that is 100% and that you can never get a good story or there's never a good journalist or there's never going to be a moment where you can influence some of the press to do the right thing I think we have to separate those two things in our minds I think it's interesting what you said about the film itself being shown on the public service broadcast in two European countries now if the mainstream media were as monolithic as some people seem to think it is that should never have happened but it did so do you want to just tell us a bit about that because that's an interesting thing yeah it's it was like that this person in the German television who from the beginning from the film and yeah it was like that so it was screened in the German television several times and it was online one year for free in the media tech and yeah so I just want to say something about just to just to think together with you because it's really revolutionary what and Julian thought about journalism is that you don't have when you are a journalist you don't write opinions you just show the documents you just show them as they are and it's really revolutionary because much more and more and more there are like there are official stories that are told through the media and this is really revolutionary that you just want to know about something about Ukrainian war or about Syrian war or about another issue and you just look at the documents so this makes possible to make a journalist of all of you yeah without having to read a summary with an opinion about something of course it's easy because we don't have time to research about everything that happens in the world but it's something great about this idea and it's crazy that this idea is being punished because it's something very simple just to show the documents that's all thank you thank you I'll give you a chance to say something really because there's a kind of special moment in the campaign at the moment where the case isn't before the court at the moment and all the time that it has been before the court I know that parliamentarians as well as the rest of us are always told you can't ask questions in Parliament you can't say this because the case is subjugated but it's not subjugated now isn't there for parliamentarians to be able to challenge a particular talent to raise the question of the accreditation treaty absolutely and firstly I just want to say congratulations to Clara for making this film because I think bringing out the story as it should be understood and heard is so important and just incredible courage and determination as well particularly last week I'm not believed to come to every single demonstration but it's just hasn't she been just amazing the courage and determination I stand with and I just want to point I mean I think absolutely I think throughout the campaign and as it has been developing quite rightly so people have been asking what politicians do what people in power doing and in some ways we have had our hands tied by archaic parliamentary restrictions and processes and procedures but of course you know when a case is going through the courts what we generally speaking in the public domain we have to be very careful about what we say to allow for the case to be heard in the courts and so we there were particular moments where we really wanted a few of us in parliament really wanted to table motions put pressure on the government because we knew from very very early on you know when this case first began that this is a political attack this is a political case and therefore it needed a political fight back and it needed a response accordingly and so when we tried to engage with the parliamentary structures and just a little bit before then I think it's you know there were many attempts for MPs to try and meet Julian in prison and that was rejected on many occasions I think to date I think it's just one member of parliament John McDonnell that was eventually after many attempts allowed to visit in prison and that was I think would be very into the lockdown there was actually of course no access even pretty much to family and then we made another attempt to reach out to the governor of the prison directly to actually meet Julian and say we're a group of MPs we want to hear from him directly and that was refused as well but a few of us from the socialist campaign group of MPs did go outside of the prison just to try and deliver the letter again to the governor just to apply that little bit more pressure as well but in terms of as you say the parliamentary processes it has been quite restricted there were times when we were trying to sort of lay down motions but because it was being taken through the courts we were told it can't be tabled so now there's a small window of opportunity where we have been able to put down a motion and that's been led by Richard Bergen MP for Leeds East and that has got some support it's not a huge number but it's definitely going to be something that is looked at and certainly civil servants people in the government will be looking at that motion and know that there is a level of pressure that is continuing on this case and it goes back to what I haven't said I mean now with the way in which it's down to people like Donald and the campaign that has continued to develop and then the campaigns come a really long way forward in the early stages people are still talking about the Swedish case and you couldn't get away associated with that at so many levels whether that was approaching politicians whether it was approaching different campaigns but it was trying to bring different parts of grassroots movements together people are always talking about I can't associate myself with that and what has happened since is a growing campaign a developing campaign which has really talked about the issue at hand and this case very much has become about human rights about the human being who has been put in the highest maximum security prison on remand prisoner with no real targets placed against them in the UK jurisdiction and I think that is really shocking we have come back to that fact and now the decision phase with the Home Secretary so it's going to be very much a political decision it's a political case it always has been and now all the political pressure will continue to be put on the Home Secretary to make the right decision I know some of you are planning an action coming up in June I'm going to come to Genie in the audience in a moment to just say something about that but still before I do that looking forward now in terms of campaigning all night in the evening with an idea about what ordinary people can do about the asylum case what are the most important milestones coming up? well I always I don't like being too dependent on the legal calendar because those are dates that we can't anticipate they're prone to change and it basically those dates become important anyway but just organizing around campaigning should be done on our own dates in our own terms I find Julian's first date will be on the 7th of July it will be his fourth first day in Bellmark Prison the you know dates like Well Press Freedom Day was a very good day to kind of hope Julian's case to broader issues I find that there's a danger partly because the case has been complex and it's been over a decade of developments people tend to think of it as some kind of sweet generous thing but actually Julian's case is everything about that the implications are enormous in many different directions Press Freedom being one but you know even if you look at just the court case and the implications of the political offense for example the UK courts are seeing prepared to allow people to be extroverted for political offenses that's the position at the moment and if the courts find favor of extradition on the appeals that will be a binding law you know the implications for refugees and people living in XL in the UK are huge it opens up the UK and other countries to other governments doing the same to apply the same logic as the US in this case to persecute their critics abroad their critical journalists or just critical journalists in foreign jurisdictions it's completely insane so sorry going back to the painting yes donextravetisovage.com has a mailing list please sign up to that it keeps everyone up to date it also has a very handy if you're writing to people handy tab of statements where it compiles statements for example from the council of Europe from the UN and all the subject experts you don't have to know the details of this case because I don't expect any person who hasn't been living it for the last 10 years to know all the details but there are subject experts who have analyzed the case in detail and have all the arguments all laid out and the way to appeal to politicians and to for example journalists that should be saying something and haven't yet is to appeal to authority as an authority from these subject experts the United Nations a committee to protect journalists and so on who are all very very clear amnesty international that this case has to be dropped follow me on Twitter you know just stay informed and talk to people talk to your friends talk to your family, talk to your networks whenever you can and there's a lot of information on that website there's also a show reel of documentaries and clips of Julian speaking so important for people who saw him in the film to hear Julian's own voice because there's been such an attempt to mediate and to stop his voice from coming out he's been completely silenced he's been silenced from a year before he got arrested Ecuador gagged him and said he couldn't make any public statements because if he did he would be expelled from the Ecuadorian embassy this was March I believe 2018 that's when he was last heard and since then there's been a progressive effort to bury him and to make him to kill him from public consciousness so he's please just find these clips listen to him listen to just tell what kind of person he is by hearing him speak he's thoughtful he's caring he's analytical he's brilliant and they're they're trying to kill him I know when we've spoken to other filmmakers they usually hate this question but I'm going to ask it anyway because they're usually exhausted when they've finished a project like this do you think there's a sequel to be made will it be by you or is it the task of another filmmaker I think it's the task of another filmmaker there are films coming so in the next months okay thank you Jeannie go on good evening everyone yes I want to pick up on what Stella was saying about campaigning and then I want to in a wider way bring it back into this room thank you very much all of you for being here the DEA does an amazing job and there's also the committee for the defence of Jumi Nassange which is specifically London based and we organise in fact we organise a vigil every Saturday at Belmarsh so many of us are familiar with that journey that Stella described earlier it is a hard place to get to and it does take an hour and a half so if any of you want to join us from time to time please do, it's from 12 until 2 and we also have a vigil at Piccadilly and particularly in this next eight weeks we are going to gather outside the houses of parliament on Wednesdays every Wednesday every Wednesday from 8th of June to 9th of July from 12 until 2 to try and meet the MPs who are coming out we might in fact have a conversation with that Stella if she's coming out he's of tips in order to ask them what they are doing and make some suggestions about what they might do in this window of opportunity so those are the the immediate things that the campaign to defend Julian Assange is doing we are also in conjunction with the DEA going to try and roll out this film to other cinemas and indeed as John said and in fact there is a cinema programmer and owner here in the audience who has come and may well I hope screen it at her cinema so please do go to your local cinemas and ask them if they might screen it there is a newsletter for the JADC the committee to defend Julian Assange so if you go on Google you can find it and there are also their notifications of events and there is also a link to provide information for local cinemas that you might have a contact with and I finally just very quickly I want to bring it back into the room and invite you to buy this book this evening it's written by Niels Meltzer who is briefly seeing in the film it's called The Trial of Julian Assange and it does what the film does it gives you the facts about the case from 2019 but earlier as well and from someone who is a lawyer a professor of international law who himself was not particularly supportive had kind of believed the propaganda effort to destroy Julian Assange's reputation but because he's an honorable man and professional did go and interview him and from then became a staunch defender and the book chronicles that and also it talks about the women and it talks about the women Julian from a legal perspective in a way that makes it clear that no one was well served by that process and finally neither are we so it's £10 it's a discounted price there are two spots where you can buy it when you go out if you haven't had to buy it tonight get your library to order it go into your local book shop get them to order it if you teach journalism if you teach media put it on your course on your students reading lists have a seminar on it invite one of us to come and speak so that's it the trial of Julian Assange and good luck okay thanks very much for that I just want to say I'll be around and see many more of you want to ask questions you can by all means have a chat with them afterwards but I just wanted to ask you this because obviously there's a number of people campaigning a number of people will be campaigning and often campaigners say well do MPs list and on the DEA website we've got a thing you can automatically email your MP I remember many years ago during the Iraq war demonstrations Claire Short who was in the cabinet there said to me don't worry whether you're having an effect she said the Metropolitan Police whatever they say about the numbers of the demonstrations in the press they give the MPs and they give the cabinet the correct figures what do you think about it when you were sat there does it make a difference on the campaign? I think just on that actually maybe the cabinet do get those figures because what we've seen in the last few years with the background of the protest the climate change protests I mean we've had actual bills directly be presented in response to those protests right so the clampdown that we're seeing from this government is as a result of the fear the threat that they feel from people rising up and people sort of demanding their rights but I think it does make a difference that it sounds a bit cliche maybe to say but when MPs do start getting emails say more than 100 or 200 on a subject they're like okay that one probably needs to respond to my constituents and if they keep having people chase them up on a particular subject matter it is going to be brought to the MPs attention even if they're not looking at every single email the stuff will be like this one's here this one keeps coming back I don't underestimate that I mean sometimes even those automated campaigns the ones that DA have run do send those ones out to your MPs because they should get somebody in their office say we have got 200 million leaders and the response I'll be able to engage on this issue and the more that happens the greater that they know there is a strength of feeling in their constituencies on this issue and I think I think at various different times certainly in my two years so far in Parliament I've seen Presidents outside Parliament having an impact on the way MPs are voting the strength in number, the loud noises and also the persistent nature of some campaigns and so like that plan that Juni just said about those particular days and those particular times standing outside and demanding that the council actually be quite bravo in such a big class space by Parliament OK, well there you are we knew it but you've had it confirmed by an MP what you do makes a difference do it better, do it longer do it more consistently and we'll make more difference Thanks very much for coming Who cares about privacy What people care about is power however, information is power We take information from organizations and we put it in the public record This disclosure is an attack on the international community We will not allow Mr. a safe, safe message out of the United Kingdom The United Kingdom does not accept the principle of diplomatic I just want to understand how you can justify the claim that you are treating him like anybody else We serve him not when he says we work with him The prosecution of WikiLeaks includes SBNAS computer fraud, conspiracy and theft of US government property UNEASAL has always been at the disposal of justice always in defense of fundamental rights and that's why it is in the situation in which it is currently to be the editor of a media communication like WikiLeaks and to have put in knowledge of the world the abuses of power and the cases of corruption and the use of WikiLeaks that should be to protect us and to give us the right to do so You know, it's a hacker a different hacker those changes in the system is also what Julian does