 Mili napehwe, niorumoo, Was hariwa mula eni mule kufingwa mula mula mula mula mula. Ya. Maizumingi, Wawe na mально taku alu napehwe mula mula. Neniku mula mula mula mula yawe nila mula mula. Yawe uavesi, Papatikanya yawe uavesi. Mazuna mula napehwe mula koja. Yawe uavesi sa mula mula. Inu mula mula macha, Yawe mula kufingu mula mula, I can say, 100% based on what I see, 100% if not close to that were youths that are participating in the riots and according to what happened, there is one woman who was on video claiming that she was among hundreds of other youths who had been paid a thousand shillings, it went round social media to see in the public domain that she was paid a thousand shillings to picket at DP Ruto's events. How can youths cushion themselves from all these chaotic scenes and from participating in such things that do not promote national cohesion? First and foremost, I'd like to relay my condolences to the families that lost their loved ones. What we saw is sad because it's a repeat of every other electionarian period. Like I told you, youth are seen as ladders or vessels of war goons for hire and the only way they can maintain that is by not empowering you. Economic freedom will never be handed over to you because the political class we have believe in or press them, make them poor to use them. That's why they have always said, do you use and abuse us? Now, by me saying that we have to find a solution, the solution is with us and how do you do that? You know when right now you tell the young men and women out there don't go to that rally after being given five hundred shillings, they'll still go because he knows that five hundred shillings, he can't buy let's say his supper or lunch. Now, if we as young men and women love our country more than we love ourselves, you know, that's the most important part. We will make sure that whoever gets elected is the person that has your personal interest, you know, cares about your well-being. And what we have right now, none of them does and I'll be honest with you, none of them does. And that is why you see they pay young men and women to go and fight like they did. The young men and women fighting outside there, they know nothing about what they were fighting. You see two people fighting a war between Huro and Ruto. You know nothing about that. They are Krimones marriage. When they were together and enjoying their deals, you were never consulted. But now that one wants to have political mileage, they will use you. And if we agree to be used, we will always be used. You see the relationship between the deputy president, Andrea Laodinga. And you will see the same youth being used. Now we need to care about ourselves. We need to take care about our personal interest. How do you do that? Fight for what matters to you. What matters to you is your economic freedom. That's the most important thing. But you see at the same time, you know, these pictures will be running on your screen. You can see there, this is near a certain church. Tiagas canisters were thrown at the event and these are all youths. You see, you mentioned about hustlers. They are trying to connect with their leader. And Joji, you say that we don't have parliamentarians who are youths. You say they are just youthful and maybe you can clarify that. How is it that the youths can lead the nation? If you look at this, do you think the youths can be able to take charge? Ram first, let me relay my condolences to the deputy president. But again, I want to say that Ram, there is what puts me in a Pandora situation. Are youths vulnerable or are they marginalized? The answer lies with whoever wants to interpret vulnerability and marginalization. But as Joji, I want to say that the youths are marginalized. The youths who have led the youths to be marginalized are the same same politicians. Because you cannot talk of a group that is majority, when you talk of this group to be marginalized. The youths have also been subjected to a situation where they cannot even be employed. Yes, they can be employed, but the government has put stringent measures To somebody who has just completed university or college, the integrity issues, you need to use over 6000 for you to clear so that you be employed. And these are the same people who will want to maintain the status quo so that they use you in these particular activities so that you are a recipe for war. You are a goon for hire. Dipiruto himself condemned his violence and he blamed it on his political opponents. He said, I must condemn this with the strongest terms possible. We must not use our youths for our selfish acts. Politicians should keep off our youths from such. Muranga will decide for themselves. This is a narrative that has been there over and again. When politics come, we see youths engaged in wars. We see youths engaged in violence, but then the politicians will keep on blaming the other side. Ram, let me say why I said that there should be no narrative of hustlers. Once you have made these people to believe in you that you are a hustler and they know also themselves that they are a hustler just because you the same politicians have made them to be marginalized. You have to perform the things that are unbelievable. Once they are done, they blame the opponent. Who knows whether the government did that? And who is the government? Who is Ruto? Because you cannot reassociate the DP and the government. But he himself has condemned such acts. He has made himself quite quite. That means the government was condemning this. We can't say that he condemned this and blaming the other part of the government. The only thing is that Ram, we have just been changing the forest and not changing the monkeys. This is the key problem. This is the sole problem. The monkey business comes back again. And Nurdin, let me quote David Murade. He said this. How is it possible that the deputy president never had these kinds of shenanigans in his own backyard when was the last time that the DP held harabes in Eldoret or Baringo for that matter? Why is it that he comes to Mount Kenya to incite, divide and to provoke? That is the David Murade. He is quoting the DP's act. You see in the colonial period, divide and rule. He is trying to say that he is trying to divide the mountain as he is saying. First and foremost, I don't subscribe to the school of thought of harambes. You are in government, for example. Why are you doing harambes? Why don't you make life better for the people so that you don't have to come down there and that is why we have the new constitution. We were trying to get rid of the harambes because remember back then, harambes were the norms of campaigning. Now, when you go back to what Murade is saying, to be fair to him, he is trying to paint a picture or he is taking care of his block so as to not have any wars there. Now, in central, for example, let us be honest, you see when people are hungry, it is so easy to charge them. Not just in central, let's say the country. And the DP knows where to touch and that's the young men and women. Remember, this government promised us jobs. They gave all man of promises. They promised heaven and delivered hell. They have scrapped all those recommendations for you to get a job but they are still there. You ask a young man, let's say you are straight from university, you have graduated, you are looking for a job and they tell you, you need five years experience. So you ask yourself, what is supposed to be born with that experience? But those are some of the ways they try to suppress the young men and women. And that is what I am talking about. So are you saying that what we saw in Muranga is like something that has been bottled up? That's an eruption. That erupted. Yes. It isn't like what the member parliament did in Yoroi saying that it was something that was planned and orchestrated by a specific group of people. I wouldn't hold a brief vein of our politicians because with them anything is possible. One can organize. You know with them, you can never take a bullet vein of our politicians because they are not leaders. They are politicians. Selfish interests, you know. So there might be an element of planning, there might be an element of both planned but one was overpowered and there might be an element of people just tired. Speaking of selfish interests, do you think it is, isn't it not selfish when someone donates things like will burrows and businesses to people? Why don't you subscribe to that notion? Not that I don't like donating these things. Ram, what I mean is these things are good and I accept them. But should you maintain the status quo of somebody? Ram, I believe in somebody who can uplift me from that border border to something better. Look at my papers. Look at what I've done for training. The deputy is targeting something and it is because of this target that he has that we are talking about in 2022. On Friday afternoon, the Secretary General of Jubilee Party, Rafael Tuju, he made an address to the nation. It was a press briefing and in his statement and I would like to quote part of it, he said that the NMC, that is the National Management Committee, has recommended to the NEC that the DPCs to be the deputy party leader after he opened the so-called Jubilee Assili offices that are reserved for him and his allies until such a time that his development of Jubilee Assili is discussed at the NEC at the neck. Now, Honorable Tuju described the deputy president's action as an, and I quote, attempted power grab, adding that the deputy exhibited arrogance, insolence, disrespect to the president Uhuru Kinyata. Does this in your view reflect the same as a sign of an attempt to grab power and was the move by the Secretary General of Jubilee Party advisable in your view? Ram, I love my deputy as the deputy president for this particular nation. But now one thing that challenged me is opening a party within the premises of another party which he also subscribes to. Ram, this one puts me into a lot of questions than answers. And therefore it ascertains that could be there was a kind of difference to the laws that were laid down in the foundation of this particular party. But again, I don't know where to put Tuju, but I also think that there should be something about the register of political parties. There should be some guidelines on how such like stalemate can be solved. You call it a stalemate? I call it a stalemate because at the moment does Tuju have the authority to let the deputy president get out of that particular party? Ya see all the cards? Now these are Jubilee Party rangals. Some may say, Nudini, any of you, you are a lawyer, does the removal of a deputy president come from a political party? Like, do you have any legal basis? Sadly the constitution is silent on that. You know, it is hard to remove him as a deputy party leader. What is the mechanism? If you check the constitution which I did today and you check the termination of a member, it says when one writes a letter to the SG, it says gross misconduct, that is subject to interpretation, you know. And it says when one propagates the activities of another party. And you have to be careful because in Jubilee we have those who propagated the candidature of Imran in Odium. You know? We have those who subscribe to the deputy president. So in Jubilee... And you have those who subscribe to yet another party leader Honorable Rael Odika? So now we stand at a place where nobody in Jubilee can claim equity because no one has clean hands. So there is no way that the deputy president can't be removed as the deputy party leader of Jubilee. That quote in utangula will be noisy, messy, and casualty. Because you can tell from the way he's acting, he feels aggrieved. Because let us be honest with ourselves. He campaigned, he went around the country. So he sits down and he feels like he was used. And that's why you see he's not ready to let go of the party. Now there are two scenarios here. Number one, when Tuji talks about Jubilee Assili, Jubilee Assili mind you is not registered. So it's not a party. Jubilee Assili is wise. He calls that a place like here where we can just come and you and I share ideas. Because it's not registered. So still he's a Jubilee party member. Jubilee Assili is not registered. Even if you check the political party's register, it's not registered. It's more or less like a conference place where they just talk, where they agree with each other. Now, the other angle is he might be targeting to leave Jubilee. He might want to leave Jubilee. And it's hard for him to leave. So he would like the sympathy route where they are playing to his card. I told that's his plan. And all this started because of the handshake? Yes.