 The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. All right, welcome, welcome to Unhinged. With the door door today, we do have a very special guest, Mr. Allen Lilly. All right, well, Allen, I think this final door, if the first one really bothered you, this final door will probably, I'm sorry that take a deep breath. This one actually comes in layers because multiple pictures and I even like put the animations in there. So like we'll see, we'll first assess it in sections. So bear with me. We can like bone it towards. This is still one opening, but you should get to see more detail on this one opening. Everybody do a shot. No, I was gonna say. I was gonna say. This is coffee. As long as you have absolutely no follow-up questions. Cheers. Yeah, let's, let's bear with this. Oh my. So this is the inside and the outside of the door. And then we'll get a latch, latch shot, and then a hinge shot. Wow. How many renovations has this door been through? This door's been broken in two several times. Yeah. Okay, so there used to be a lock box on the door. This is maybe a utility room that used to be there. Locks, the cover's obviously long gone, it's been ripped off. So the, it's an in- And now that's a new one. No, it's not a swinging door, kind of, I don't know. Really tough to see. Oh, that's a continuous hinge on there, isn't it? So, no, you can see the bucking. No, okay, there's the barrel. Okay, there they are, all right. Slightly, slightly, you can see it, but it almost looks like they did put a continuous hinge, but it's not, it's just, I don't know if they had to rebuild the frame or something there. Okay, so yeah, there's obviously been broken in two bunch of times, still just a knob, despite the fact it's been broken into over and over again. Lack of planning, lack of forethought. I like how they have the door wrap for the cylindrical. I also like that the whole plate and the push plate are not lined up. Why are we gonna be like that? Yeah, just people in general. No, you're specifically me, I like how you do this. And when I say like, I'm being facetious. Yeah, the pull's right here. And what's going on, why? Why is that there? Why even put it there though? And who's pushing down there? And then, I mean, the closure isn't an almost parallel arm on a push side, but it's definitely not parallel. I think the closure probably is probably backwards. That's your standard, a C60 or the knockoff there. I'm probably gonna knockoff if we're being honest about that. I'm guessing at some point, they realized that they didn't preload it when they first put the arm on. And so they had to overcompensate that afterwards. But at least they've got a place to hang their jacket while they're fixing this door as it's been broken into again and again. Is this an apartment building? What is to the right of the door over here? Yeah, it does actually. Yeah, that's like an old calling system. So this could be like an entry, like a main entry for an apartment. I have zero background on this. This was found on the depths of Reddit. So there's a lot of anonymous. There's a latch guard over it. It's probably for an electric strike. Mm, keen eye, yeah, yeah. The mismatched finishes are really on trend this year. It's called mixed finishes. Sure, it's the old Weiser Beverly that was in Popper and Rush Chrome or something, Popper and Rush Chrome. When grandparents haven't been there, haven't been there yet, so you've got Mahogany's lab doors in turn. So that's why the knob is fixed. So that's why there's a pole handle there because there's an electric strike that's supposed to open this. There's probably also, actually there is, you can see in the picture, there's a key switch there on the panel. So residents, tenants, whatever, can use that to open the door. So the knob is mostly just there to keep the door shut. Obviously this has been damaged a bunch of times. I would replace this whole setup with an exit device and a room straight. Yeah, especially if you have that many people. Yeah. I mean, I guess occupancy, you probably don't need it, but it would probably be a lot better set up for a break in and a entry. Yeah, just, I mean, at this point, just buy a new door. Like you fix this enough times, it's over. Just get a new one. It gets worse. Are you ready for the next? I'm not, but here we are anyways. Okay, oh geez. So there's the knob, the latch, and the electric strike. How far off the door is the latch sticking? Like behind the latch plate? Solid cord wrench. So this door, this door has been, they literally carved the door out to sink that in. So the latch is sitting flush with the edge of the door. Where it was. The door was carved in. The door was carved in to fit that. Or because it got broken, that's like the only, like it almost looks like they busted the latch out at one point. And then that's why the cover plate is there, but because there's no integrity of the door, it's all kind of like sunken in. I like how they just have a furring strip on the jam, like behind the electric strike. It's just a one by two furring strip. Like, why didn't they do that for the door? Beating to death. There's a time when you can say, yes, I can fix this. And there's a time when you say, you know what, I could probably fix this, but is that the right way to do it? I mean, like just the volume of screws that have been put in this jam. Like it's obviously been broken into at least four separate occasions. And you can see the layers of it. Yeah, like the layers of repairs on this. That tells me that this is not like this happened last week and we're waiting on parts. Cause I could forgive this if it was like, you know, this happened the other day and we have to order a new door and frame. And right now everything takes forever to get. And in the meantime, we still want to keep this as secure as possible. And I would accept that. This is not that case. Like that would have weathered. That would have been there for a while. Not bad. Take deep breaths, deep breaths. And I'm just, I'm also curious as to why it's been built out. Like that's like a brick mold without a brick, right? But they just keep building out further. Right? Like out from the face of the strike. Like the strike is almost an inch buried into the frame, into the depth of the frame. Yeah, that's rough. A lot to take in. Kay, you ready for the latch side? Wait, no, there's another one. This is the hinge side now. Oh boy. So they just threw bolted. They threw bolted the hinges. Yes. Good, great way to keep the door frame together by bolting the hinges in. Wow. I'm sorry, Alan. Did this just ruin your day? Like, I'm not mad at the request. And in terms of a solution within this opening, it's actually a really ingenious solution. You'd have to literally take the whole frame out with you, which is good, but it's an indicator that there's something much worse going on here. Wow. Wow is all I'm gonna say to that. Actually, there is some good in here as well. Look, they have two top hinges, which I actually think we should adopt that as a standard in the United States and Canada. Yeah. I saw this, was it on one of your posts that we were talking about this the other day? And like it makes so much theoretical sense. I also love continuous hinges. I think continuous hinges makes so much more sense than butt hinges. And I don't understand, like people that don't, frankly, people that don't agree with me need to be bonked on the head with butt hinges. They're so much easier. They distribute the weight better. They hold the weight better. They're not that much more expensive, but easier to install or just as easy to install if you're good at it. Like why don't we just do continuous hinges? And they're more secure. Like think of like people with a saw could cut through butt hinges fairly quickly. If you're trying to cut through a continuous hinge, you have to cut the whole door out. You have to cut the whole side out. Like it's, yeah, for, I mean, security, security, right? Like if somebody really wants in, they're going to get in, but let's just talk about the longevity of the door, right? That, you know, with a continuous hinge that's properly installed, that door is never to say, right? We can go back to that very first picture that we saw where the door was rubbing on the bottom, like rubbing on the floor. Unless you're building up a new floor, that's never going to happen, right? Or your whole wall is falling down. That doesn't happen, right? So let's just go with continuous hinges everywhere. At this point, for the amount of effort they've put into these hinges, by the way, those are residential hinges, which is the first problem, right? If you look at the whole pattern, I think those are not a commercial hinge. Just put a continuous hinge on it. Save yourself the effort. Just do it right once, right? Buy once, cry once. How many times, like, I mean, just look at the top corner of this door and how badly it's worn away. Like this whole thing is so out of center, so out of whack. And I'll guarantee again, we've got the cheap knockoff SC60 clothes around that. Put a bigger clothes around it, right? If security's an issue, make sure that door closes 100% of the time. I'll admit, I'll be the first one to admit I don't, I'm not, you know, intimately familiar with the weather patterns in Eugene, Oregon, but in, oh, sorry, no, this is the one we don't know where it is. Yeah. It might be a warm climate, but. If you look at the sign, it says Muntin, and part of me thinks Edmonton, snow and ice control, right? Ah. This could be Canada, but also I think there's gotta be cities Edmonton in the United States as well. There are, yeah. Yeah, and isn't there a Wyoming Edmont one? Either way, we're talking about somewhere where it's cold and it's mentioning ice and snow control, so. Yeah. With ice and snow, you've got cold weather, which means that that closer is not gonna be closing the door appropriately, a good 40% of the time. Yeah, and I don't know why they would have any issues with it not latching. I mean, the, I mean, the closer itself, but also like, look at the latch, like. Just slam it harder, everything will be fine. Yeah. Okay, so this is a lot to process. We're all gonna have to go through with therapy. We need a new scale. I've broken the scale. We need a new scale. This is a different multiverse. This is. Yeah, like the first one was 10 out of 10 bad because it was off-center. We accomplished that in the first picture with the pull and the push play. This is bad for a whole nother level. This needs to just be set on fire and walk away like. Well, it's just time to replace. And this reminds me of the last picture we saw when Leo Des was on that hotel stairwell. Oh yeah, yeah. And it's just, it's just time. Band-aid after band-aid, it's just time to rip and replace. Yeah, just take it out and just start over. Yep, this can be fixed. Oh, so yeah, this. I'm deeply offended by this. I really am. That's, that's the only scale. That's, that's your knocking score right there is. I am deeply offended. I'm deeply offended by this. Why, why, why? Why would you do this to an innocent opening? There's everything, everything wrong. The world is in a worse place for this being in existence. This is like, this is an example of, this is an example of why building COVID exists, right? Because people do things like this. The good thing is if it's easy enough to get in, it's easy enough to get out. You would think, but I bet you that's not the case. I bet you have to pull the door shut and then turn the handle and then push the door open. That's the reason the knob's on the other side is you can. Yeah. Oh yeah, cause there's, I'm sure there's preload happening. Well, look at the door bind, right? Like just look at that top corner, right? There's, there's enough bind there. I promise you that's the case. And you just, you got to fiddle with it. You, that's probably why this thing has been kicked so many times. People got frustrated, you know, people are frustrated because they couldn't open the door. And so they break in. Maybe it's the person trying to get out that broke out. Yeah. Exactly. I'm surprised we don't see the glass with the wire in it here. The GPW glass. I bet you there was, well, I mean, I'm so glad we don't because it would just be poured over based on the volume of other repairs that we've done to this. Not residential weatherstrip there that's all been taken out. There was, oh, look at the top corner there. There used to be just the old LCN corner amount. Top really closer. Ah. That's what that is. So this, this, this opening has got some age to it. It's, it's, it's old. It's ugly. It's dangerous. It's, it's, it's an abominable. You know what this, you know what this is? This is, this is a 1967 AMC Gremlin that's still on the road today. Good, good reference. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if we can give this a knocking score. It needs another, it needs another level of knocking. Like light, light a match and walk away with it. This, this doesn't need a knocking score. This needs to be knocked down, knocked out. All right. On that note. I'm so glad you invited me on here, Benji. I'm so glad, so glad. Okay. Well, thank you, Alan, so much for joining us. I think there was a wealth of knowledge and insight that was shared with all of us nerds today. Whether, whether we wanted to know it or not, there's, there's, there's a lot here to take in and digest and process and work through years of therapy through. So thank you for having me. 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