 One of the best treatments clinically proven to help with depression Anxiety low libido low drive Inflammation it's not a medicine It's exercise and it's proven to be better than almost any other medication available Do you think this is a common knowledge? Yeah, I don't I do not think although it's becoming more common You know if you look at and this isn't just my opinion if you look at the data Look at anxiety and depression for example We're talking about the most common forms right the kind of mild to moderate forms because extreme forms That's a whole different category, but if you look at the data when they compare the most effective Medic prescription medications that we've had now for decades right like a SSRI You know drugs or other drugs that are similar and you compare them to consistent exercise The effects on depression and anxiety are very similar in the short term in the long term They start to trend better with exercise and that's because exercise You don't build up a tolerance to it like you do with a medication You tend to it tends to become more and more effective as you continue to do it In fact if you could bottle exercise into a pill It would be a block. There would be nothing like it in the world It would be a complete blockbuster and it sucks that people only Connect exercise to the physical effect. They just think it's work Yeah, and it's the consistency really that provides a value once you really start to add that into your daily activities or daily life It's interesting to me because I look at it a lot like Unused unpotential used energy and at the end of the day like your body starts to kind of like, you know Get restless with that and it if you're all in your head for too long You kind of get into this loop that you can't really break out of yeah There's so much to impact there too. Yeah. Yeah, it definitely improves your physical health, which will also improve your mental health We know that those are strongly connected But the process of exercise is very much an empowering one Where you're out doing it and you're struggling and you're finding that you're able to stay consistent. Oh my gosh It's working. Look what I'm doing. I like this and I feel good about myself And it just gets better and better over the years and there's so much Again, there's so much to impact there why why exercise is such an effective Mental health tool and nobody really talks about it. Everybody talks about weight loss Looking better, you know, maybe some discussions around mobility and movement and strength, which all great all good but I Firmly believe the most profound effects that consistent Appropriate I have to say appropriate right because exercise can be abused just like anything But the appropriate application of exercise By far as they are the mental health effects and when I would train clients It was the mental effects that were that you would see and feel that were more profound And those are the ones that people actually commented on that shocked them that blew them away like oh my god I feel feel so good and I feel so happy and this is so weird What's the antidepressant drugs aren't they their goal is really to to make it so you don't have like the High highs and the low lows it's just to keep you know their goal is to keep you neutral subscribe subscribe well to keep taking them Yeah, but like not to really feel like better necessarily, but just you know, not not bad Yeah, I want to be you know, very clear that the prescription drugs have a very they have a place and I don't want to Downplay them because I think that they there in many cases they're life-saving worse But what I'm trying to say is that exercise appropriately applied exercise For many cases is so much better and even if you're on medication it only will make it that well I do both why it makes it so much more effective. We're starting to see now that they're starting to visit exercise as a Treatment for mental health issues and we already see that right psychiatrists and psychologists will always will already recommend that people Exercise and move and do stuff like that But it's not a part of the protocol but with with with the clinical evidence I believe that these these clinics and in therapists should I think a very effective strategy to partner with exercise specialists and say look Here's a deal. We're gonna do this with therapy. We're gonna do this with medication and also Here's so-and-so and they're gonna help you with exercise and activity because in the studies It's so effective. I think we're gonna have to when you look at you know, we make that comparison about Wally You know, we kind of like lightly joke about that, but there's There's some truth to the potential of us moving in that direction of like not having to move really to get access Do everything you need to do make money whatever So I think that it's gonna become necessary and I think we're in the middle of that transition right now And maybe this the pandemic accelerated that a little bit of people's awareness around why it's so important that you exercise And I think we're gonna start to see that over the next couple of years more and more people I mean and look at these these businesses. Although, I mean Peloton and them are tanking right now But like you're at home fitness stuff. That's becoming more popular and the gyms are blowing up again Are they still going? I was gonna ask you have you been following up on like your prediction on what's happening right now I've talked to a few people that are in the industry It's now it's hard to say because part of it could be that the market washed out a lot of competition So what whoever's left now is they are you know, they now own a larger piece of the market potentially but You're seeing a surge and I think part of it is because people are feeling really bad Worse than they have in a long time and it happened so fast right in a two-year period our obesity rate Accelerated to the point where we are at the point now with obesity Where we would have been maybe in six or seven years at the at the pace that we had before so it just Sped up and and and I think people are kind of like I want to move, you know, so now will it stick I don't know. That's the hard. That's the hard thing to predict. I hope it does right, but I do think that I look I'll speak personally I'm I I battle with my own Demons, I've you know, I have ADD and when I was in school I had trouble sitting still and paying attention and I can have my own para noise and all that stuff Exercise and I've said this for so long and I tell us to my wife all the time. It's so therapeutic for me I don't know where I would be I could not imagine if I had if for a month and a half If I couldn't exercise at all Like I mean you guys are looking at me and I know you're trying not to make funny faces Could you imagine how I would be if I had no if I couldn't do anything for a month and a half? Yeah It's so therapeutic to me. It's definitely necessary Well, most likely you would you would seek out something else to medicate. Yeah to medicate or fill that void What just happens? What's great is that if you do Move in the direction of using fit health and fitness although it can be dangerous in itself or I shouldn't say dangerous It could be unhealthy could be abused right like anything with like anything else at least on the way there It's you get a lot of positive benefits from it right because obviously there are people that Are addicted to exercise and fitness and their body and looking at themselves that it starts to Hurt or harm other parts of their life for people that are connected to them But in the pursuit of that or in the process of that There's a lot of positive health benefits that they get from it not only that and physical Yeah, and you're right and anything can be pathological. I don't care what it is You can make anything pathological But if you talk to anybody and you guys know people like this if you talk to anybody who's been doing it for a long time They went through that path process and then came out of it. It's such a learn. It's the most underrated personal growth Vehicle I can think of you know what I mean like it teaches you That you'll never be perfect. That's an important lesson to learn right and but and accept it It teaches you that it's okay to fail You're gonna like you try any exercise you suck at it the first 50 times that you do it teaches you not to compare to others You have to because like I said at some point you realize like oh, yeah I'm never going to look like Arnold did like I realized that in my late teens and then I accepted it and then continued It teaches you to love your body because if you stick with it for 20 or 30 years At some point you stop hating yourself because you're starting to enjoy the process It makes you feel self-reliant and empowered you feel empowered because it's something you're doing for your own Health and your own sanity and well-being there's so many lessons right So it's just literally see progress happen right in front of your face you do and so it's just it's just this very powerful mental health Personal growth vehicle and it's never it's almost never talked about in that way And I feel like that's the angle That we should talk about it because I think if you set all of the value of exercise on Weight loss and how you look You're going to set a lot of people up for early failure and then they'll get discouraged and won't do it But if you tell people hey, here's how it's going to make you feel Here's the positive mental health effects. They will feel that they will see that and then and then what'll happen As a side effect is the fat loss and all that other stuff. Do you foresee in the future? More companies building health and fitness around like their structure of your day at work Like starting the day off with like in half hour or hour of some sort of physical activity before We've already talked about like what's this? I think they they did this a long time ago Like the average hours that the eight hour employee actually works in the day. It's like not even half So it's not like it would carve into their productivity at work Like we're oh shoot you got we do an hour of fitness in the day Now you no longer have enough time to write code or do whatever it's like they already are are that unproductive as it is And actually doing something that's physical like that not only would benefit them physically but mentally and potentially I mean we know I know it's wondering when other companies will figure this out. They'll be more productive So at what point do companies start building that into Their day. Yeah, you know what the challenge our companies will they will but the challenge with that is you're going to get pushback From people are saying um, I don't want to or yeah, I feel fat shamed or i'm not able to You said that before but I think So I I think I think if you give them the option and then you'd have you couldn't make it mandatory It has to be part of the culture. I know in japan Um, and I know Doug maybe you can correct me It it was it's been a part of the culture for a long time that companies would have employees start the day off with Do some tai chi calisthenics and uh exercise. Yeah, yeah, right. Is that is that correct? Yeah, so I imagine that so I imagine it would start at a place like that So I don't I don't foresee you're you know a google or facebook You know having a you know strength training workout for hour four where you're going to have a lot of people Oh, I have these injuries these limitations. Oh, I can't do versus We're going to do something like meditative or walking like imagine if it's just like every day I mean we we do this right off air. We we we talk about this where there's times where we get stuck and we're going And we'll just interrupt our day and go. Hey, let's just go for a walk And we we find that so productive right kind of clears our mind gets us outside for a little bit We know so what happens when you see I foresee something like that I don't foresee this and maybe some companies are saying so let's work out Right, so you're not going to get like the pushback of I if you could walk walk You should be able to do it in a structured way where we make sure and I think just making sure everybody is walking for an hour Every day you'd be amazed on how much that will increase everybody's activity because very few people are even stepping that much in a normal day You know it makes sense, but I'm so jaded by the last few years of how Pushed down like logical Means of keeping you healthy strong resilient like we're just completely not even part of the conversation Like we got we got a lot of work to do to get people off of pharma's teat Yeah, but it's coming that way right now. Don't you feel like I mean, I mean, I think some people but but honestly the mass Majority of people are still think that like Taking pills is gonna solve you know why it's because it's a decision you have to make for yourself because It's it's not it's not a profitable Message so if you're a politician or if you're a company that's selling a product It is not profitable to sit there and say hey Here's something you could do for yourself and it doesn't cost any money I feel like it's only gonna take one big successful company to implement it and show positive returns for it to kick off though I mean, look what happened when and I don't know who did it first Was it was it uh facebook or google when they started to disrupt the way your workspace was done now? Everybody does that yeah like that we did we did work big breakthrough It was a huge breakthrough We did workspace a very traditional way for decades Decades and then all of a sudden a big company comes in and disrupts the way that landscape That's a good point and now everybody models it so all it's gonna take is a A facebook a google and amazon yeah a leader in the industry that's already a successful company to say you know what We're gonna take care of our employees mental and physical health And we're gonna start easy with something like hey every day The way of your first hour looks is we go on walks or something something maybe there's an intercom in 51st minutes We're gonna do these stretches and I don't know exactly what it looks like right But I know virgin was like before all this stuff was really making headway with that with a lot of corporate fitness Initiatives and and they're doing a lot of cool things, but yeah, I think I mean I hope you're right like I hope that there is like a shiny example of that That's like a very much of a brand that everybody like recognizes and is sort of leading the way in terms of like Our employees are doing this. They're way more productive. They're you know, they're not missing any sick days Like all these benefits the wild part is if you can if you can improve it by one to three percent huge huge savings huge savings So that's why Right that's that's the point that kind of blows my mind that that the the amazons of facebook these companies that employ tens of thousands of people Have it piece that together. It's like we don't need it to be hella successful We just needed to change one percent of the lives that are out there and that makes a huge difference here I'll make it even more dramatic. Okay, healthy people Uh are more efficient They make different choices in the market So healthy people are more likely to buy and want products that serve their true health Which means you'll have more innovation and more money going to those products versus products that medicate and distract And aren't good for us healthy people innovate better So they're smarter. They innovate better. They solve better problems. Healthy people are less angry They're less anxious. So you have less actions that are related to anger and anxiety Healthy people make better parents. They make better partners If right now I could snap my fingers and make everybody in america just healthy You would see it would make such a profound difference. It would it would be massive I'm gonna go out and say you don't even have to make them healthy You just have to move them in that direction by a couple percent. Yeah, right? Yep. I mean that in itself will have enough positive, you know Effects from it that I think will pay back companies pay back people. I just I don't know I feel like we're right on the cusp of this like Tipping revolution. Yeah of where we're going to go that direction. It is. It is definitely changing Let me tell you Doug Sal again, Andrew. Could you Sal Stradamo is coming out with the uh predictions Adam and I were like, you know The closing machines Just threw that in there. 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