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Sure Let's do a show Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, May 30th, 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline Where I just stifled a sneeze some Sarah Lane and the beautiful hack five offices in downtown Oakland, California I am here with the pig report Patrick Norton. Sorry So he has to pretend he works for the Illinois Farm Bureau for the remainder of the show There was no gimmeing about this. I was You were gonna say that you adopted a little pig To go with our We have chickens and a husky and children and I think if we had a pig it would not be a Leishable pig but a gonna be bacon pig Which would be hard to explain to the children. Where did the pig go to the farm? Yeah, your plate kids Hey, our producer Roger Chang is here. He has produced the show in large part But his internet went out so you can't see or hear him But hopefully I don't know maybe his internet will come back while we're doing the show and he'll pop back in But let's start with a few tech things you should know Panasonic said Wednesday it plans to develop automotive batteries that don't use cobalt Which is a mineral and very expensive because of its scarcity mostly found in the democratic republic of congo In a meeting with analysts panasonic's kanji tamura said that the company has cut down on cobalt usage Substantially and that zero usage is in the near future Panasonic supplies batteries to tesla Mary meeker released her 294 slide long internet trends of 2018 It's always a good read among the highlights are smartphones and internet adoption are slowing Time spent on the internet is still growing Mobile payments e-commerce and voice controlled things like the echo all in the rise Tech companies are dominating tech disruption is accelerating and china's catching up to the us as an internet hub We'll take some time to read through those slides and talk about meeker's report in a little more detail on tomorrow's show qualcomm announced a dedicated chipset for standalone vr and ar headsets the snapdragon xr1 Constream 4k 30 frames per second content though. It won't support free moving six degrees of freedom HTC five vuzix which i've never heard of before Meta and pico all appeared on stage at the announcement The xr1 is meant for low cost low power headsets and hp announced an update to the hp omen 15 laptop with reduced bezels 8th gen intel quad and hex core processors up to 32 gigabytes of ram support for nvidia's gtx 1070 with max q can also support 4k gaming at 60 hertz and Hp announced a bunch of accessories a hundred seventy nine dollar optical mechanical sequencer keyboard A seventy nine dollar gaming reactor mouse and something called the mind frame headset They didn't give a price for that. It's a gaming headset with internal cooling technology The omen 15 arrives july 29th starting at nine hundred seventy nine dollars I like the device cooling. Yeah, that's a good question All right, let's talk a little bit more about the darling of video streamers plex Plex is my media server of choice So I was very excited about this plex released a redesign of its android and ios apps adding beta support for podcasts And more options to personalize your experience You can now remove default categories from the home screen You know if you don't want documentaries you can get rid of that and add new categories like on deck or continue watching Which can pick up from where you left off on other devices There are now tabs on the bottom for movies shows podcasts and more The podcast part of this if you read plex's announcement that was sort of the big push Uh, I like I don't know. I I haven't tried it yet. So I'm excited I use plex primarily on the apple tv I sometimes will pick up a show between that and ios if I go to the gym And I want to finish a show or something like that. So that functionality at least in part was already available But the ios experience has always been more of like a It's a companion app. It's not really its own. So having the personalization is great Yeah, the continue watching was a function, but now you can have the category on your home screen So instead of having to find it it'll say, oh, well you were watching this Here it is like you don't have to dig around for it. It's mostly an interface change Uh, and and if if you think there I bet there's a few of you out there who still think plex That's for people who want to manage their copyright free videos And I don't legally have a lot of those so I don't use plex. You're missing the boat Yes, it can be used to to manage your video files, but it does way more than that It's got dvr capability. It can integrate with things like netflix and hulu, etc Now that they're adding a whole podcast directory right inside you used to be able to Manage podcast through plex, but now it's native to the app Music as well. Yeah. Yeah music to it. It's just a really nice interface. It's um, you know, it's uh It's a it's a media interface like like lots of others, but it is the most fully functional Particularly because I'm so married to my apple tv for a lot of my content But it's the nicest one I've ever seen and the interface is nice, too Patrick have you used plex at all over the years? I haven't been using it too much in the last couple years because I am in between Mostly because I've traditionally almost entirely used it to manage my legally obtained Contents, of course. We're all adults. We're all adults here. Uh, we can talk about legally obtaining content Um, but I'm actually in the process of building a new server in my house and playing around with plex because It's doing a lot of integration that I actually like with with apps Which is exciting because I've been playing around with the cavo, which is a big sort of, you know artificial intelligence and machine vision trying to unify your media experience at the content level and it's uh it's early It sounds like a Patrick project plex is great for server management Uh, but a lot of people don't realize it you don't have to run use it for that You can and it's really good at that but you can use it without running your own server now They have a great cloud service as well. So, you know, one of the things I'm sorry before we move on just because I'm I'm so excited about this is uh in the announcement Also, if you have multiple servers with content that you're you know, you kind of have to switch back and forth It can now merge those servers Previously you could search for something specific Via all servers, but you can actually see everything together. So also a good plus Yes, question the chat room says how do we start getting into setting up plex? Download it sign up for an account. That's pretty easy with your top. What's your top plex tip, sarah? That was it All right We're gonna break from our norm of telling you what the news of the day might mean To telling you a few facts that even physicists have a hard time explaining to each other But trust me, this is going to be worth it Scientists at alto university in finland published research indicating time crystals A real name for a real thing may make it possible to build a quantum computer that doesn't require near perfect zero temperatures Uh crystal is a structure where the atoms prefer a pointed space salt snowflakes, etc a time crystal Sees the atoms prefer not only a point in space But a point in time as well And here's where I go to just stating things that are true and not claiming to understand them Daniel overhouse at motherboard used an analogy where two people holding a jump rope rotate their arms say four times But the rope only rotates once so susie only has to jump once even though they rotated their arms four times Or how about this one a coin that has a 50 50 chance of being heads Every so often in a predictable period has a 75 25 chance of being heads anyway, none of that's going to make sense to any of us, but How does this relate to quantum computing? Cubits are the basis of quantum computing. They can be one zero or both in superposition One problem with cubits is the act of reading them changes them So reading them becomes problematic if they vanish when you try to read them The research here indicates that generating time crystals in cubits Might solve this by making the cubits want to be coherent In other words become a predictable time crystal None of us fully understand this not even the fittest physicists can wrap their brains around it But the math is right and time crystals were proven to exist in january 2017 and confirmed into independent studies the following may This is one of those great science things where they're like We can prove it exists and we have the math to to show Quote-unquote why but explaining it is almost impossible well, okay, so Right, I don't get it. Uh, so a jump rope It only revolves once why are the hands revolving like that's time crystal sarah quantum physics Hey If you I I know a lot of you want to try to take a crack at understanding this Please only take me up on this if you really understand it But if anybody really understands it or at least is this close closer than we are Please let us know feedback at daily tech news show dot com time crystals love it All right back to vr oculus launched the venues platform for oculus go and the samsung gear vr Venues provides access to live streaming vr broadcasts of things like concerts and sports The first event will be a live advance joy concert Have a great song. Oh, what's the name of that song? I'll have to remember it later Anyway, good band at colorado's red rocks amphitheater followed by a gotham comedy live show streamed from new york city A full slate of events was announced through august 27th I mean i get on paper why this will be attractive right like oh, it'll be like i'm there I've got an oculus go I will try one of these and tell you well as a person who doesn't really like going to music concerts because people Uh, and also tall people and just kind of all that stuff I like this idea. I you know, I would I would try it out. I I like to feel like I'm part of something That's really cool. You know coachella for example. I'm not going but I would like to watch Beyonce's performance in vr I love watching it on youtube. It might be even better in vr. Absolutely Environmentalist fear thailand is the new dumping ground for e-waste after china banned overseas trash last year saying it would stop accepting 24 types of imported e-waste roiders has a special report on this china state media estimates in 2016 the country accepted 70 Of the world's 500 metric tons of e-waste and now they're not The 1997 basil convention limits movement of hazardous waste, but it doesn't prohibit exports from developed to less developed countries entirely Thai prime minister praiut chan ocha vowed this week to step up nationwide inspections As part of a plan to combat illegal electronic waste dumping me the the upshot here is Electronic waste is piling up at ports because china won't take it anymore People trying to figure out a place to put it and they're smuggling it in some cases into other countries thailand particularly is seeing a big uptick in this And it's not it's it's coming from the region a lot of the stuff in thailand They say comes from japan Comes from korea. It comes from taiwan comes from china in some cases that's still a spectacular amount of e-waste and Cal Wiens over at iFixit This is a huge passion of him partially is part of you know, okay I fix it. We repair things but also keeping things out of landfills And he's actually chased down a lot of e-waste like literally figuring out the containers and where the containers end up in where this stuff i mean it's Intense to see people on the streets basically melting motherboards to separate metal out of them and you know Sucking in all the toxic fuse that comes out there or the stuff being buried It's it's the the danger of it is one of the reasons china banned it But that causes another problem, which is well, then what do we do with it? You know, well, it sounds like you're pushing the problem into a different port the bozzle convention needs a little You know update right? I mean if a developed country can be like well I'm just going to take it to that country because we don't want to deal with it because this is bad for you I mean that's not a solution at all. Thailand is also I mean if you're going to compare china and Thailand, Thailand is super small compared to china thought he's not great anywhere But that's not the solution. Yeah, I mean, I think the solution is people to stop trying to send it to china Well, the that was the first part china saying we're not going to take most of it anymore But then what where does it go like you have to have a worldwide solution You can't just have each country saying well, I'm not going to do it and other countries like well Now it's coming to me. Well, I'm not going to do it either somebody's got to do it and it has to be done safely and and Hopefully efficiently so that you can recycle as much as possible As you're doing it so it will it will be benefit for everyone if we figure this out instead of just trying to push it Around the the globe the tragedy of the common ease the tragedy of the common e-waste It's like the poop train down in alabama where they have a big train full of feces that nobody wants to claim And it's just stinking up a town in alabama really? Yes, and then it's it's I believe it's new york city poop What get a rope This is full of surprises today Here's another solution that might interest the people of california The state is testing new digital license plates with customizable displays that could eliminate Registration stickers you could register electronically and also act as a theft deterrent The sacramento b reports that the state capitol will test the plates first So while driving display is kind of like a kindle shows your license plate number when your car is parked You could have a customized message show there probably some limitations on that And then the license plate the license number would still be visible in the upper right hand corner If the car is stolen the plate could be wirelessly updated to say stolen or something of the like Make finding it easier. Although that Opens up some questions about tracking people in general You could also remove the license plate. I suppose price also not cheap $699 for the plate not including installation and then a $7 monthly fee I mean, it's it's not a fool. It's it's another deterrent to theft It's not the solution to theft right because as soon as they can they're going to put paper plates on that thing Just like they would with a real license plate But if it's flashing stolen as they're driving away because you figured it out right away I don't know. Maybe that would help cut down a few percentage points Those are I I like the idea of not having to put those stupid stickers on every month But I don't think it's worth 699 dollars. That's I mean, I actually I was with you on all of these things And I actually got to meet the founder and interview the founder And it was interesting to talk to him about that because you know What's the business? I was like, what's the business model here? Right? It's e-ink. It's cool. It's display. It can change You can flash advertising for your business when you're parked But it's really for places that have to manage fleets And if you have a hundred vans, this will automatically, you know, or a hundred rental cars This will give you the ability to not only track your your your equipment But also dealing with stuff like automating the registration and not having to put registration stickers on there and making Registration stickers unstealable. It's it's bolted on in a way that makes it pretty it's going to be a wicked rip in pain to get off But uh, you know, it's really a a commercial product for businesses with fleets More than something you've got a hundred cars You don't want to send bob out or or gene out to put stickers on all of them You can press a button and they'll update that that's that's pretty handy That starts to be worth a seven dollar monthly fee. Yeah, I mean there's a back end interface You can have, you know, all of your vehicles and all of your license plates and all the information And let's say if you have 150 vans for your, you know air conditioning service Anytime they're parked they can be like if you need better air get 10 off by call it, you know I mean like whatever your your spiel is, but it's it it was something I I was like You know, this is a really expensive grayscale novelty plate. He was like it's it's not what it's for Yeah, it's for fleets and that's what that makes sense because the city of the the capital the the city of sacramento is the The first test case for this the government itself is like, let's let's see if this works for us and then then maybe we'll approve it for other people That that that all makes sense. I'm glad you actually got a chance to talk to them It's very well made my first reaction was like, oh, you know, people would like Put expletives on, you know, while they're parked at Whole Foods and upset the rest of us But I'm like bumper stickers already do that Yeah, that's just harder to change. That's all Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com All right patrick, uh, you have been testing earbuds and let me tell you earbuds are that thing that frustrates people because they're small They're easy to break and you want them to sound really good But they're never going to sound as good as I don't know real audio or or even speakers or or full on headphones What do you found? What are some of the best earbuds? Well, I would argue that that some of the best earbuds or some of the best in-ear monitors can sound is good or better than any You know full-scale headphone, but Um, and I will not get into the whole mesophysical concept of like, how do we know what it sounded like? Because most of what we listen to is actually constructed in a studio and engineered and manipulated And half the people on a particular track may have not actually been in the same room or the same building when they recorded It's kind of weird to contemplate Beneficial very it's all very artificial But one of the things if one of the things I've I've noticed recently because I've listened to a lot of earbuds and headphones His price is is absolutely not a guarantee of quality There are a lot of tremendously overpriced. There's a lot of audio gear that's sold to people with too much money and questionable taste in in you know Audio profiles or hearing or tuning on headphones Which is me being obnoxious, but it's fundamentally true I mean it's it's amazing when you when you hear like a $1,200 ear bud You're like the $300 one sounded better and they're $300 and you know those $100 headphones sound as really, you know pretty much as good as those I digress but um two that really stand out my my favorite for a couple years now There's from a company called one more they're they were kind of founded by uh Funded by xiao me and had a couple box conics x and I've got some really interesting engineering going on The one more triple driver in-ear headphones. That's what i'm holding right here. Um They literally have multiple drivers inside each ear bud. They sound fantastic They're a little if you like a little uh a little extra on the high end to make your symbols really sparkle these do a good job without you know exhausting or or or Fatiguing your ear in a long time and like a hundred boxes where you really start to get stuff Um that if shop carefully sounds a lot better than most of of what else is out there And I mean it's amazing when you hear a good set of earbuds You start to realize how bad the earbuds that came with your phone Actually are and recently I've been playing around with the the earbuds from a company called periodic audio and they do They're like the honey badger of audio engineering. Um, they're like we're gonna do stuff We're gonna put all the money in the driver and we're gonna save as much money as we can So they you know, they they use injected molded cases and they use the same or the same sort of Thing for every single thing they have a hundred dollar or two hundred dollar and a three hundred dollar one And the three hundred dollar one sounds as good as some products I've heard for upwards of a thousand dollars from other companies It is incredibly there's a huge soundstage incredible detail and they have thud They have a tremendous not too much bass, but all of the bass is there but they do a one hundred dollar one called the magnesium and It's not quite as spacious and detailed as the three hundred dollar headphone But it is fantastically good for the money and it's a little more bass than the one more triple driver and a little bit Less sizzle or a little bit less on the top end Like you know lots of like details there the symbols are all there the high ends all there But maybe not as intense or sibilant And it's amazing to me how good these sound for a hundred dollars and I get like a hundred dollars is a lot of money to a lot of people But it's a really fantastic way to really hear everything out of the tracks you're listening to and I often get requests for cheap earbuds and I automatically send people over to the wire cutter lauren dragan is a fantastic reviewer She does really really good work on audio stuff And she's uh, I mean it's really crazy. She's um Tested like I want to say a hundred and eight different sub fifty dollar earbuds You know and she's been near I think she's like investigated You know a couple hundred. This is someone who's literally heard And tested hundreds of headphones. Um, she's found one called the akg Y 20 you and you can pick that up. They've got links on the wire cutter, of course That sells for I want to say 30 bucks and actually, you know We'll stomp like apples earbuds into the floor like it will mock them mercilessly And and you know pointed them and laugh Those of us with weird ears. I mean apples earbuds just don't fit my ears Even if they're not falling out, they're not positioned right So I like all the audio is actually being lost. So that's a really big part of it Especially like you're jogging or being active. You know, you need headphones that are kind of road warriors Be uh, it's amazing like the the one more kind of completely insane I want to say you get 11 different tips and multiple sizes inside the box that everything comes in Periodic audio does I want to say three different silicon and and two different foam ones. It's definitely something It's nice when you start spending more money on earbuds They work much much harder to make sure they actually fit in your ears And I am with you like Like, you know, I'm sure my ears are twice the size of your ears and I can't you know I can never get your they always kind of like I want to turn them upside down and backwards And then they still fall out. I mean the apple ear pods are one of the most frustrating products. Um I've ever used I think there's also, um goodness, I can't think of an I want to say conform and Is it uh, it's one where the molds to your ear or something? Yeah, what doesn't mold you? They actually make replacement tips that are kind of universal replacement tips. I apologize. I should have looked at Of course, um We well, we've got some great recommendations in the hundred dollar and fifty dollar category here And and I I highly remember I second patrick's recommendation to read lauren's work Because she really does a good job and uh her runner-up recommendation brainwaves delta offers free replacement If it ever breaks, which these things do you just email them and Show send them a picture of you destroying the old ones and they send you the new one What about over the ear headphones though before we go? What about if somebody's like, you know what? I don't want buds. I don't want things sticking in my ear You know the the kind of classic. Oh, it's comply foam.com is the people who make the universal tips for earbuds Um the classic starter point uh for me is a sony mdr 7506. They sell for 80 bucks You have to spend a lot more money to get a significant sound improvements um, you know, I've been playing around with the neurophone recently, which is a $400 bluetooth slash aptex hd slash Over ear headphone and it's the craziest thing because they have What they call their immersion mode Does a bunch of stuff one it actually tests your hearing Use like auto acoustic testing of your hearing custom creates a balance for your left and right ear Applies that and then allows you to choose what they call their level of immersion They're like, you know, are you in the front row or the 20th row? But essentially it's like a loudness knob in the car You can turn the base up to where you feel it And it's kind of crazy because it has in ears a full range engineer driver kind of like a Stick a stock that goes into your ear and an over ear headphone And the over ear headphone also contains a little driver that does the low end frequencies And I wish because they they kind of scream gimmick and you know, we reviewed them on tech thing this week I was shocked at how good they are and how good wireless audio can be at its best Well, thank you patrick and of course, uh, I will mention it again at the end of the show But check out tech thing if you want more detail on this sort of stuff Thanks to everybody who participates in our show All kinds of ways you can email us you can go on our sub reddit daily tech news show reddit.com Good place to just find out what other people in the audience think is important We look at it and putting together the show for instance and people having discussions about the stories there as well You can also have discussions about anything you want regarding technology at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. All right, let's check the mailbag. What's in it, sarah? Let's do it russell from newcastle upon tine. I I think that's how it's called It's in the uk has thoughts on our busker chat which was in yesterday's show How street performers are adopting contactless payment options because people are getting rid of cash You know more so than than ever and points out there may be some cultural differences going on He says americans are used to tipping but it causes secret inner panic for many of us brits Is it tipping thing this situation? How do you do it appropriately? You don't want to be rude Kind of like haggling some people think it's acceptable Some people get very uncomfortable about it with contactless payments You could read the price either cough it up or just ignore the busker looking carefully the other way No studying the previous donations. No struggling for coins. No finding at fiverr and then saying I don't actually like this up even though you're very good at what you do He says cash is on the decline in the uk overall even at my little corner shop They do contact this actually i'm in an awkward phase. I so rarely need cash I never have any in the increasingly rare instances when I need it russell. I'm with you Same here. Yeah, I let me say the whole tipping situation in the us Also confuses and panics many americans as well It was so nice to be traveling in australia where i'm like you round up the taxi And that's pretty much all you have to worry about and it It is there is a there's lots of good reasons for it. I'm not going to get into that controversy, but It it is confusing and so having that busker situation I didn't even think about this aspect where it's like, hey, it's two pounds You want to support me at two pounds? Great. If not, no worries. Uh, just keep on walking and enjoy the music, right? I think that's a fantastic Cultural insight on this. So thank you russell for that. You know, there's a coffee shop really small little coffee shop That's near me that uh accepts a variety of of you know payments that I could make from my phone When I go in and get a five dollar coffee and it's great But they have the default tip set at 25 percent Nice, which I know which is like if you're not paying attention You're like, yeah, I just I'm done. I'm done and then you pay and whatever But it's like it's a coffee and I'm not staying and there's all this sort of stuff So you kind of have to go in and be like no I actually want to tip you less and then you feel bad about yourself. So there is some psychological stuff going on here I'm just I know i'm just surprised that people don't get upset about that I would be very curious how many people do the automatic, you know the the the That's that's a good healthy tip. It's easy enough to change, right? It's a no Oh, yeah, they don't force it on you, right? And nobody's gonna say anything if you tap 10% it's just it's you it's putting the argument in your own head It's a suggested tip that happens to be kind of high for a small purchase And having been stiffed at tables of 12 where you got like, you know $8 on $300 of food. I can totally get why You know, they enforce tipping. Um, it would also be nice if if all the baristas and weight staff and Everything around the world actually made a living wage and weren't relying on tips But there's also a certain joy when you like count out that tip jar at the end of the night like, yes Live for the thrill I don't know I'd rather, you know, yeah I I have noticed and this is entirely anecdotal I seem to feel like I get friendly or better service at places where In in cultures, I should say not places in cultures where there is no tipping because those people feel like They're taken care of they don't feel like they're in a dead-end job They're not worried that you're not going to tip that they're not going to be able to pay their bills They just they they have a better support structure And I know tipping is supposed to encourage better service, but it doesn't seem to always work that Yeah I'm not against tipping in cultures where it exists. You should absolutely tip And and tip well if you have good service when I went to japan for the first time a few years ago I I knew that tipping was just not part of the deal beforehand because I kind of read some stuff But I was still so uncomfortable like right. It's okay. I feel so rude right now But anyway, yeah, you know, hey Global stuff. It's uh, it's uh varieties is piece of life Speaking of variety patrick is doing all sorts of stuff these days Let folks know what's up with you besides wireless headphones. Oh my goodness. Well avxl avxl.com that's the podcast I host with robert harem We talk about home theater and audio and getting the best deal no matter what your budget is trying to keep you in an extraordinary experience And of course tech thing te k th i n g dot com is the show I host weekly with shannon about technology Answer questions review shows talk about dns settings. Yeah, you want more in-depth? 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Man roger has to push a lot of buttons Hey, I said I would help Uh, yeah, I just didn't uh, I didn't really think about it till we were in the show And I was like, oh the move on and wrap up buttons We should we should have alternated those when like one of us was reading the other one should monitor that and vice versa I guess but Hopefully, I'll get his internet connection back right Hey, we always those little things even when when you were on vacation tom I was doing uh audio backups and roger most of the time didn't need them But there was one day where he was like, I actually need yours. I'm super over modulated and I was like Weirdly, I'm not recorded You are Oh, no, and yeah, so it was like, you know, that's yeah We got it fixed stuff happens. All right, uh, we have our best bud patrick get it your bud I made a spin on that that was icu's turn. I was patrick is our ear bud I like that one Um Time crystals no really Our bud patrick with bud tip tips Even farther I like patrick is our ear bud. Yeah, or patrick, how do you feel about that? I would be hard to use your full name Either one works Oh my goodness. Let's go with patrick is our ear bud It's friendly It's perky It's full of mirth. I was gonna say hey, what is it? It's mirth fall What's uh, which earbuds are you using sarah? Or are you currently not doing your buds? No, well, so for the show I actually just you know, I just use one little thing in here This is actually something What is the there's sony somethings which I got from the wire cutter, but a couple of years ago I'm sure they've updated lots of stuff since then, but it was yeah, it was kind of that mid range I think I think I know the I don't know the number but I like I can see it Yeah, and they're they're because I have I Have a hard time with anything in ear. I don't mind the way it feels right, but they just tend to not fit Yeah, and I just I use them at the gym. They're you know, they're all over the place. So they really need to kind of get Uh stuck in there and stay and and also not be so expensive that I don't mind sweating And you know all that stuff. I don't understand how people wear over the ear headphones at the gym It's I don't know. It's funny like one of the things those neurophones do that's really insane is they have wait for it Tesla valves just this like ring of little indentations in between the cup and the silicone earpad and I was like What's going on here? And it turns out so a tesla valve is essentially like a one-way valve for fluids And so air comes in at the bottom and exit as the at the top I guess is the base cycles and the end result is that they actually have cooling going through Well, okay, but If you're going hard and like sweat is happening here And you know gravity happens Maybe your ears are cool, but it's just kind of Washable foam pads with that I guess Tell me what i'm missing here because I oh like are you an alien? Why are you you're ruining your I mean if they can't if they if they've like earbuds keep falling out or they can't their earbuds get like when you know Like I've seen some people like weightlifting and you know, I can totally see earbuds being like ripped out of their ear and wrapped around the bar and then you know Which is something that happens for sure And yeah, I guess it depends on what you're doing, you know, if you're weightlifting, I don't know. Maybe you're not like I just if i'm running for 20 minutes. It's it's a sweaty experience Some people also they just they can't use them Yeah, they can't there's some I mean there's people who just can't get a a fit out of earbuds and just prepare that the pair prefer the headphones I hesitate like an equilibrium thing or something I say this only for balance get it equilibrium, but um The air pods actually fit my ears Well, you and I had this conversation where I was like, but don't they fall out and they don't and I don't Wait plenty of other I've had this problem with other Earphones earbud earbuds where they're like they don't fit in and they fall out and then when you guys were talking about like Having the ones that kind of grip have been totally there with you, but for some reason i'm the lucky Middle ground on air pods. Well, it's a pretty big middle ground. I mean it's theoretically it should serve the vast majority of the population um It just doesn't happen to that venn diagram doesn't include sarah or Yeah Eileen got them and she can wear them sitting down She's fine But she says if she tries to exercise with them then she has then they start to jiggle Which is not good if you're out running or something and want them to just pop out of your ear If you get a chance sarah take a look at comply foam they do foam tips and they've got some that are kind of like dedicated For getting all sporty And those some people have had a lot of good luck with those Oh Good tip I don't know i'm torn between really liking music and really having difficulties Not being like for me like I can't bicycle or run with earbuds in it freaks me out Too too too much. You mean too isolating. Yeah. Yeah too many people running red She actually had a pick for people who were like, yeah, I don't want isolated I want to be able to hear around me and I thought that was interesting. I wonder how good they are but At that point it's like, it's you know, it's It's funny like I'm I also, you know, I haven't I haven't worked out in gyms and forever in a in a dog's age You've been walking the dogs instead walking the dogs instead and you know doing kettlebell stuff and stuff but the uh, and you know, it's like paying a hundred bucks a month to swing a kettlebell. It's just kind of crazy to me but the uh the uh, you know I do they not play music in gyms anymore or people wearing They don't play your me. They don't play. Yeah. No. No. No. You need your own Running playlist. Also, you can you can get apps that will stream the audio from the tv That's true So that you can you can whatever tv you're looking at you can actually hear what they're saying Patrick, what was the model name of the sony over ears that you said was kind of the Good baseline standard 7506 I love these they are these when I do my like uh remote podcasts for like guests and hosts and everything and myself They're great. Yeah, they're they're bombproof. I have a pair of the v6's which kind of predate those I swear to god are 23 years old um They're on their second set of ear pads and I probably should replace the the headband but You know, uh, and I've resoldered the wire once because somehow A slightly intoxicated friend of mine in the tech tv days ripped to the cable out of them And I try to guess who that is but it could be anyone Such a long list. We were all so young. Um, I didn't know tom. It wasn't you When thomas is in his cups. He tends to be british and I can't find my studies, but I got a pair of those two and they're ancient. Yeah Um, but they're really good I don't know. It's it's been funny because I've been to like I've been to several can jams like You know and then Rocky Mountain audio show and it's it's kind of ridiculous when you start looking at high-end audio gear Because in some cases like, you know, we've put seven drivers in each individual earbud It's like it's really not working for me Who likes the way this sounds? Um But it's also, I mean when you're looking at some of the products, you're like, okay somebody figured out they could make You know, like a $3,000 earbud if they made it complicated enough and put like, you know crushed Goat pelvis in it. I mean like some of the stuff people are selling is just so Unhinged and ridiculous crushed goat pelvis. It's my way of mocking certain types of cable man You know, you made it up, but that doesn't mean it isn't real Well, now I've got a search on This is not going to go well because I'm gonna end up with links to farming like home farming sites. Yeah. Oh dear god Oh, it's in a wheelchair. This is awesome Don't crush your goats pelvis It'll ruin them out and somebody's pig It's like got the little wheels they put on paralyzed dogs. This is we knew we get to the farm report I just got an email from bank of america I'm telling me that their new bank of america assistant named Erica is coming soon Oh, dear Erica will make your financial life easier. Well, I hope that's true with valuable alerts helpful insights and financial guidance So they have a bot I wonder how long the meeting and how many of them there were to name Erica I want to know the metric system and like the the whole like series of When they went through all of the names Also, why not Eric? I don't know Why not pat? You notice I quickly changed my example from bob to gene earlier because I thought gene was a nice I Had a certain genesis. Wow. I just you know, is it gene bob's burgers? Is it genes my neighbor? Is it Is it john? Really john? That's who I once Your financial goals are attainable making so Erica pay my bill Yeah, Erica make that bill go away. Great. Where should I source the money? No, you pay my bill I'm sorry. What are you good for? Erica? I don't have that money Erica raise my credit Erica Do you think we actually are raising anyone's credit right now? It's not a voice assistant though, right? It's probably just a chat bot is my guess. Yeah. I mean, it's in the mobile app I believe That's probably yeah, so I don't know. I deleted the email We'll see when it when it shows up. I use bank of america, so I'll figure it out eventually how it works It's always a plus when the bank is actually from an email There's somebody in australia that has thinks they have my email address So every so often I get an email from this obscure or maybe huge australian bank and i'm like what? the nab No, because I kept seeing signs for nab and I kept thinking national association of broadcasters is everywhere in australia That's the show just keeps getting bigger. Yeah They have branch offices. It's amazing Oh, you can withdraw money there You a broadcaster here's an atm has the money That's how it works in australia I need is a podcast Podcast and a dream and you can have unlimited funds. Let's read that article about the guy who basically embezzled several million dollars from a bank um Sounds like many articles, which is I assume this is a recent new trick Uh, it was a weird uh It was called all of 2008 Was there a blockchain involved? No, what was this? Sorry No, there was some weird auto like his his uh, he had I guess I think it came down to he had overdraft protection on his account And it was set to auto approve if it was going to a certain area like to his mortgage So he just kept pulling cash out and eventually this was it was a it was like an infinite loan basically Yeah, yeah, yeah Because he looks like I assume we've heard about it because he was eventually caught Yes, well and he he wasn't I'm not saying he was Blameless, but he just sort of was like, huh every time I ask for money. They give it to me Okay. Well, I'm gonna buy a car and you know, like he should have said something and he knew he should have said something But it wasn't like a scheme that he created, right? It just sort of happened to him. He took advantage of Yeah, I mean he also it's funny because he he ended up becoming kind of a jailhouse lawyer and uh He got his conviction vacated because he was imprisoned for uh Basically the way the laws ruled he fraud related to taking money by deception And he pointed out that this was pre-approved behavior by the bank on the bank's part And that he did not attempt it to see if anyone he just didn't say how big his loan was getting So, you know, the judge was like this was dishonest, but it wasn't illegal. So yeah, that's Fair it was sort of like back in san francisco many moons ago I moved into an apartment and the electricity was, you know, still on from whoever lived there before And I just kind of spaced it for a while And then a few months later. I was like Why does all this stuff still work? And about a year and a half went by before finally he was like you have to start paying for this So I knew it every month. I'm like, I know I'm not paying for this But I'll just wait for someone to say something That's actually didn't go after you for theft of services or try to didn't no no It was just sort of like it's time for you to start paying for your There was there was a uh, I think it was a nelson ratings tool that tech tv never revoked my access to And I don't know how long that access remained because after I discovered that I just I was like, okay. I'm just not going to go in there and look at it because That's because you're an honest man. Well, it's no more paranoid like if I get caught doing You know, what are the penalties for this? Well, this sent me to prison Yeah, it was one of those like, hey, let's see if this id works. It won't and then it did and I'm like, oh crap Now they uh, what if they look at the logs? Okay There was a In uh, sort of a modern example of that there was a company that I was doing some freelance work for Shall remain nameless and there was a slack group lots of different channels You know and I was part of all sorts of one and when I stopped working there Just nobody got rid of my access. I remember at one point I didn't even really care what any of them were talking about necessarily because it didn't have anything to do with any project That I was working on but there were somebody had done like at channel or at here, right? So I got a notification and I thought oh somebody's reaching out to me Maybe a dm and as soon as I opened it, I was like, oh company stuff Like this is I am not privy to this like this is they should be a little bit more You know, it's very common Well, uh youtube viewers, uh, we are going to bid you a do uh, and thank you for your viewing Hope you like your viewing youtube viewers