 Hello, it's Bob Cook here and this is the fifth Supervisory video that we're looking at in terms of the Hawkins and Sheriffs model. The vocal part of it is the seven-eyed model of supervision. That's what we call it. It comes from their book, Supervision in the Helping Professions in 1989. This is stage five where we're looking at parallel processes and the supervisor is helping the supervisee, a construct merely on the relationship between the supervisor and the supervisor and the parallels between the therapist and the client and how there could be some parallels. Okay, so I've got Wally Leokes here again. And hello again. Hello. We're continuing this theme. Yes. Where we left it was looking at counter-transference. Yes. So, are we on the sixth session you've got to now? Yep. Where are you up to now with this? Well, it's interesting that the theme of the work has now shifted away from the son, to some extent, and she's moving into her previous relationship with the son's father. So the person she's married to now is the second husband. And we get in a lot of her. His dad did this. His dad used to drink. His dad used to do this. It's just like his father. And at one point, I gently challenged the client and said, do you see any of your son, anything of your husband and your son? And she said, oh yes, he's just like him. And I again gently said, he's a different person. He's a different person. I can understand that the frustrations may be the same, but actually he's a different person. And that kind of, she kind of stopped a little bit and she kind of looked at me as if I kind of said something out of turn. And she paused and she kind of, she kind of did that and looked into space. And then she said, yeah, yeah, I guess it's, yeah. And she was almost kind of lost in a bit. I left her a little while in that place. It was almost like there was a new process evolving in it. So I just left it. I just left that until she looked back at me again. And then I said to her, how did you feel about me saying that? And she said, well, you're right, but he's just doing the same things. You know, so we worked on those kind of historic things. Yeah, it sounds like you're going a long way in terms of helping her sort out what's happening. And as you talk to me, I'm starting to really take this picture even further where you're up to. And as you bring it to supervision, how do you think you've got on so far in the last six sessions? And are there any supervision issues at all? Are you really pleased about how you've got on? Yeah, I kind of like this client. I can see that I can see that given she's under a lot of constraints, sort of societal constraints that hold that hold her back. If she was around, if she lived in her own home, then maybe if she could then go and bring her son back, I don't know how it pan out, but she could. And there seems to be kind of societal constraints for them because of what her housing provider said, which I think is a bit, I understand it, but it seems unfair at the same time. It's almost like she's not getting any quality. If she lived in a mansion somewhere, there wouldn't have been a problem. You know, many as well might have been a problem, but generally speaking, she wouldn't like to lose her own home. So as a mother, she wouldn't be putting that in position, which I think feels to me a bit unjust, Bob, to be honest. Yeah, and interestingly, when you talk about the new partner, the new partner doesn't want to have anything to do with the son coming to live with them. I think he's struggling because he knows that when the son comes, their life would just change for the worse because of external forces that they have no control over. So he's frightened that they're going to lose what little they have. And do you think there's some truth in that? Well, I mean, I can only go off what the client said, but apparently he's stole from neighbors, caused a lot of trouble. He had a bit of, and minimizing it by saying a little bit of violence, violence is violence. You know, he flashed out and he basically said if he comes back, the people who run it, it's like a social housing provider will terminate the tendency because of health and safety issues, risk issues, that's how I'd say. Yeah, I was thinking about parallel processes and whether, you know, part of the parallel you've been here might be like me being him or something like that. But I know you've kind of seen quite clear. However, I'm interested in power posts because you were talking earlier on, I think it was in stage one or stage two about a parallel process that you thought of. And I said, we'll hold it there and bring it back. Do you remember what that parallel process was that you even spelt it out for me? And I was thinking, because parallel processes are all really, what it's really about is helping, having this focus, or if you see it like a torch, to be able to help supervise it. So for example, they may bring, to me as a supervisor, yeah, the very things that they're stuck from in their relationship with their part. So, you know, say they're working with an angry client, sure, right. And then they come to me. And the way they present to me is very angry. So what they've done or might have done is taken the anger which has been projected from the client under themselves. And instead of dealing with it in some way or whatever, they then acted out to me. So the question is, who is it that's really angry? Is it, you know, could it be the supervisor? Is it the, where's this anger come from? Sure. And often, as a supervisor, by helping sort of shed that light on that parallel process. So, you know, the angle that's actually been presented in the supervisor-supervisor-Z relationship really has its origins or its etiology in the relationship between the client and, sure, the therapist. And I was just thinking here that was any parallel process. And there might not be, actually, that you might have brought to here in the way that you're describing your client. And I was thinking, well, I wonder if there's some parallel process in the husband and who I am, for example. And then I thought, I can't see any here. And then I remembered you talked about some parallel process back in stage one. There doesn't have to be a parallel process. I've described what it is. I think, you know, there's definitely one of social injustice. I mean, one that's just talking about that, about the fact that if she was richer, then part of her anguish wouldn't be available to her. And he might bring it here then. Yeah, yeah. And part of that, you know, the anguish is that almost like society has said, you can't go to your son, or you can go to him, but the consequences are going to be catastrophic. And that makes me, it makes me sad and it makes me angry. And to be honest with you, I wonder if I'd be a bit angry at husband for not kind of saying, well, why don't we? I understand why he's saying that, but maybe thinking about husband might be kind of saying, if it was me, I'd be going, well, I think we should give it a go, but I think underneath it would be the role to catastrophe anyway, because it's not intriguing, you see. And it would be a parallel process if the client, or a client talking about the husband, brought to you their real anger about social injustice. And instead of you, I don't know, feeding back to the client or talking about what it all comes from, you bring it to me, and then put it up to me. That would make the power process. And then I could grasp hold of it here, and then help you, if it's surely useful in the supervisory process, bring it back to what wasn't discussed in the original relationship between the client and the therapist. That's parallel process to it too. And sometimes there isn't, but I think it's a useful way of looking at things. And stage five focuses on that. Yeah. Thank you. That's welcome.