 The board of liquor control to order and first up is public comment only from the liquor board Seeing none approval of the agenda Motion to approve second all those in favor. All right Next we have new business which is the first-class liquor license for 802 pizza Everybody want to approve that one? I will move the approval of the first-class license for 802 pizza All those in favor. Yeah, I was moving That's Alice pizza with a new owner. Yes. Yep. Yep. She didn't get another one Three pizza joints in one town would be quite a few, right? We could have them all look at the gas stations All right, we have a colorland farm says pizza, too Fresh from the freezer. Where did they make it there? Gas station reworn. I'm a Jersey kid and it doesn't qualify All right, I gave a motion to the second all those in favor. Hi. Hi posed I'm curious Next up a motion to adjourn So moved Motion to adjourn all those in favor. All right. Hi Now we'll call the select board meeting to order Public comment. This is anything not on the agenda done Approval of the agenda Well before you did that, did you want to add? Yes Yeah under new business if we could add the discussion on the emergency radio system for the fire department Okay, where's that going? Am the end. Yeah after assembly permits. That'll be um a motion to The agenda with the amendment some will be that I space an aspect No, we didn't get one yet Second here we go I'm pushing in the second all those in favor Hi Motion carries Consent calendar meeting minutes and warrants I was to approve that It's back on it All those in favor Hi posed Motion carries New business consider consider setting a tax rate We have materials in your packet. Dennis is here to join us Is the annual ritual of joy and mercy A necessary exercise and governance um The recommended rates are included in the packet says is uh how they broke down the different components to come up with them and then the Historical comparison that includes four fiscal years on the different segments that make up The total tax rates would includes the municipal local agreement in the police district on the local government side And then the school of homestead and non Residential tax rates on the education side and so the proposed rates for Fiscal year 22 You're a homestead. So primary resident point eight two five four The municipal rate one point five six five five school rate and a local agreement rate is the point zero zero five one And for those also inside the police district, there's a point two one nine zero These are all per 100 of assessed value for a grand total of two point six one five zero per 100 Same categories rates all break down the same except for the school statewide tax rate for non-residential would be one Point five nine six eight for a total of two point six four six three And this is what is this from last year Dennis roughly about three cents three point Four cents if i'm doing my math quickly and correctly on a municipal rate only the Fraction of a penny on the police tax rate and then looks like kind of a big jump on the local agreement rate But that's a small portion of your all The Dennis rates are about two two and a half cents I have a question Dennis good presentation I'm curious what raised the local agreement not that it's a lot of money where there are veterans or something A little bit of a raise in the senior center the volume didn't change because the state education tax rate changes that a little bit But the bigger component was we have more veterans exemptions If we added three this year we're up to 32 And those are 40 000 dollar exemption piece. So that's a like 1.2 million On an exempt money that we have to make up the school tax rate So that that when we think of it there are four 200,000 last year Thank you So the veteran exemption is only town the state doesn't provide one I have a governor who's very pro veteran right now That is a mistake Oh Pro veteran and help the towns out And then that exemption is then by the vote of the town years ago You can I'll move that we approve the tax rates as presented by the lister's office a second Second all those in favor Opposed You're wishing carries spending myself a note All right, green mountain power line upgrade proposal Doesn't be you cemetery trees here. Thanks. Thanks. Is that yours? Yes, that's me. I thought you fell in and that Kevin yep from green mountain powers here and can't answer some questions You've got a map in the packets. You get a black and white copy here, but you can see the two lines Are sensitive where the upgraded lines will run they'll run along the front of the pleasant view cemetery This is part I mean Kevin can tell you all the details, but it's part of a larger infrastructure upgrade to improve reliability At the most basic level in order to put these new lines in front of the cemetery We'll have to lose it one point. We thought maybe about three of the trees I don't know if that's still the case. There could be more than that The idea would be that if they come out your mountain power would would compensate us to replace them We find some kind of similar tree that grew With the right shape and size to go in where any of the lost trees are Once they might be harder to replace just because of the type of tree in position of the ones where the banks really Steep to the road on the southern end. There's a phone line that cuts through it But the others will will probably look a little more similar They might be considered shade trees under the mark statue, but utilities have an exemption from some of the shade tree process We just have to work out at the end of the day if they are shade trees. It just means there's a public hearing before They're removed at some point if they're under the utilities statutory exemption Then there isn't any additional process. So Kevin's here to walk you through the details We've been on site with them a couple times Harold and I have we've talked to randy garner a little bit about this back in June so everybody's sort of aware understands how it all fits so it's at this point to see if it's Something we're interested in proceeding With and if there's questions or concerns or any of those Is the quick summary Kevin when you do the poles how far from edge of a road At least 21 feet A minimum of 21 feet sometimes are 21 or 22 And a lot of that down through there The proposal will be we're going to rebuild that pleasant streets up and whether or not You all live in Randolph. So probably your use of your power going out quite frequently I mean just in the past few weeks one of those circuits has been out a couple times So we're going to rebuild that and currently it comes out of the back of the sub and it parallels the railroad tracks It's inaccessible It's old. It's horrible And it's one of our worst performing circuits or two circuits substations in the company So we want to rebuild that and this is one right on the corner, right the one across from the cemetery Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. That's substation. That's substation. Currently. There's three circuits that come out of that So what we would do is bring two of them roadside And come right up in front of New England precision That's what it is, right? Right there. We're going to go underground for a stretch of that Then we're going to come back above ground just for one little park right there And then the phone already exists right along the cemetery On the northern side in New England precision They go up that bank and we just cross the road there and we come out over by the Randolph sub station by Shaw's Is it Shaw's right? Shaw's right. We come out right there where TV used to have a shop So that line would go away across the field And we would continue by the subs by the cemetery So there's there's quite a few trees on that bank where the phone exists right now. Currently. We're not there Just as you head up the hill So our proposal would be to remove whatever we needed for trees there for access And what we would run is we call it spacer cable or Hendricks It's actually in a diamond shape You see it up tall and right on the top of the poles there'd be one circuit on top and one circuit down about six feet They would go through there When we get to the cemetery The the initial proposal was across to the left side of the road If you're headed this way into Randolph But in order to do that it makes a real sharp corner So we'd have to guide that pole so I had a state clear on the back side of the cemetery But that means that a cable runs all the way across the cemetery and that wasn't very appealing So we looked at making that a straight line and just stay right on the right hand side right down through there It would be a couple of those Trees would have to go And dream out power would would compensate the town Our initial offer was $2,000 for for any to replant trees a low growing shade tree You know something that's not going to be up in the wires or if it comes down It's not going to break the wires the poles So for the rest of that line everything else is going to be Essentially a rebuild in place. It's going to be an upgrade where it's a single phase line Now it's going to be a three phase line with two circuits on it, but the poles will be in almost exactly the same spot Right through town And it would end that fire station So that looks like it crosses back and forth across Pleasant street Is that currently go that's the phone that crosses back over the phone cable? Is that actually once we're on If you come from say going with precision this way coming up. We're on the right side We don't I don't believe we cross again. I think it's probably not you. It looks like it's all the way It's probably telephone cable that's coming across the road there, right? Yeah Okay, definitely field any any questions or Whatever answers I can if I can't I'll find them Why don't you just put it underground all the way through there Well, we have to put these huge cabinets in to splice it underground like that We can go from a pole to a pole and because there's it's really not that appealing It's not that beautiful being a main feeder. It's really really big cable and it's four inch pipe It's 1,000 mcm is what we're going to do there 1,000 mcm. We're going to go 700 feet From pole to pole, but we're going to end each circuit on its own pole So as we come down the road in front of New England precision We're going to have two poles right here and then they're going to go underground from those two And then on the other end there's going to be two more poles So there's actually the same number of poles. It's just they're bunched on this end and then bunched on this end There's nothing in the middle So if you went underground in each of those green cabinets where you splice would you have to have two cabinets? Yep And they're the concrete ball that they sit on is 14 feet by seven feet You're going to have two of them. No, you can put the cabinets back back on those Yep, but then when we get into that area, we start serving the customers. Yeah customers already have most of them have overhead Yeah, they've already got overhead service in there So one of the things that you know Different ideas that companies come up with with different undergrounds that we do Is well, then we'll go back up a pole and we'll feed them an overhead service. So you still have a pole The only thing you may not have is wires from pole to pole And that really if the whole thing went underground it would probably double the price And it's at almost two million right now So you have all the same poles you have the wires going to the houses and now you got those big ugly green boxes Yeah, two of them at each location every 700 feet now while they have to be closer than that Where we get into the point where we're serving right because then you got to bring transformers up in those locations Right, you have a lot more than those two ugly green boxes. You got transformers in here Yeah, okay. Now I don't think I'm a fan of those You talked about you're doing you're doing some underground. Excuse me. You're doing some underground. We are. Yep Now why are you doing that? Well, we can go from pole to pole Um And that was part of the easement to get the easement across their property Yep and I don't know if I really don't know why they're that interested in the other We had several different options there and this was one that That they wanted and if we go If we go Check it out to 700 feet then we can get by without having those cabinets We'll just terminate it on on poles on each end We do a lot of a lot of things that seem a little odd just to get easements and It gets us away from the railroad tracks and It's accessible then that goes down Right now it's it's really small conductor and the load in Randolph has grown different things and Sometimes just the load will burn the wire down there. So it's definitely a needed very very needed Upgrade Do you have any questions from the board on the proposal? Anybody in the audience Just how does putting things underground change at all if other parts of possible building near the cemetery get dug up? I understand, you know, some of the expense but but like, you know, the cemetery The main street boots out there. Yeah, I don't have any boots out there. And so does that Does any of that change? If that were all to be dug up, if it was gonna all be dug up anyway, does that change anything? No, from this from this overhead structure, we could then go underground. It's not a big deal One of the things that we have the hardest time with and there's a lot of it in that area is Communications where there's kbtv fiber optics. Thanks for doing that to get those people on board You know, all I see probably what to do on this project is find out What size conduits they want green mount barrel will buy the conduit and sell the conduit and then we'll fight to get paid for it But at least it's in while we're digging and and then they have no excuse But what to go underground? We have a real hard time. We're pretty proactive on rebuilding these lines and to get these people to come along But you can see it just go down 14 where they installed the new line. You got the chopped off Poles waiting for the rest of them to come their stuff. It's Yeah It's forever And then if you know, if we're underground they're over at it Lots of times you still have a problem We have a better chance to get them to transfer if we remain the same way we are Go overhead. It's an easier transition for them. It sounds like it helps keep the power on we have this hour jim. I'm all for this It's an upgrade that helps those businesses down. Yeah, exactly Because we see it now, you know one side of town's out the other side's on that's exactly what happens Island Avenue can be out and maple street can be out Yeah, no, it's because I know it's where the circuits run because I see it from my own perspective on hull street You know one of the other things part of this project Is just going to be an upgrade but out of that sub The 42 and the 43 circuit come this way the 41 circuit goes back towards the boundary But what we want to do is rebuild that and then come back up root 12 Root 12 And tie it back into that Randolph sub so that it's it's another reliable feed for the hospital Right now the second feed for the hospital goes across that field just above the new one Right behind. Yeah, right behind led right by led and yeah, and that isn't you know, it looks like it's in the field But if you spend a lot of time and look at it It's more right on the edge of the bank and the trees than it is in the field So that line is going to be eliminated across the field It'll just be those guys will just have to have a service from the other side of the road over to them That'll take care of the three or four businesses over there. Yep. I'll go with it. You want a motion? Yep, okay, so I'll make a motion to approve the green mountain powers Line up great as proposed I'll sucky All those in favor And we work out the tree thing one way or the other something Motion carries Thank you Thank you guys very much. Thank you. Now now the thing is to try to get onto a quarter They love high fall Something said 12 weekly times and that was only for 500 feet. I need about 5000 What size is that four inch four inch? Yeah Yeah, I've heard all kinds of stories like that. Not pretty. Okay. Well, thanks guys If you have any questions you can reach out to trevor. I think you've got one contact Great. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Current status of maple street Be able to connect with dugoy and king today one of the last Places everything left off was with an alternatives analysis The idea being that it would look at sort of the two way versus one way There's a quick conversation via zoom in april to talk through some of the pieces needed to move that forward Some traffic data that was collected by two rivers was passed on has been reviewed by d and k Doesn't include to simplify it doesn't include turning motions. And so the turning motions are crucial if we want to weigh two way versus one way traffic based on Use of the road we could always just compare the two options based on construction costs And what that gets down into answering that question can help determine What a construction cost might look like at the end of the day Which and what a scope of work could be for that and in turn Inform a project timeline. So those were the last pieces that were done I get the impression that covid in transitions may be way laid up until that april check in But having not been here for that it's hard to say surely Some of the original scope of that 2018 era Contract we had that contemplated more of the constructions already been done such as topographic surveys and base map preparation There was a preliminary design done at that point according to the to the write-up from the engineer Um, and then we had sort of ceased in 18 when some of the traffic impact questions came There still needs to be coordination on utility companies So there was some of that if the poles are going to be moved and then if we revisit any of the Construction cost scope because it's been about three years one of things that's changed are the storm water rules So they'll just need to make sure that the newer storm water rules are incorporated in that as we consider Any of the various project aspects So from here we can launch towards completing these this alternatives analysis and that initial scope of work which gets the construction options as I understand We're one of the goals to keep moving forward So we'll probably have some conversations about design elements costs, which of the options at some point Road widths are one of those questions. And how do they play in with the neighborhood? designation application And some of the widths that are contemplated through that essentially narrower streets, especially in those neighborhood areas And so start to put those pieces together So if we can revive revitalize this get this finished up we can end that one chapter and start To plan for what does a project look like and what's the timeline it moves forward on? So that's the quick update There hasn't been a lot of motion For a while. So this represents most of that motion for Let's say all of 2021 today at some point From the sounds that from what I can what I got in conversations with DK I'm looking through some other materials. I know so it's possible that something else has happened, but Didn't come up in that And so some of that original analysis looked at all the different components. There's water wastewater different paving options Essentially a reclaim and repay but with some cold planning and some sort of practice called rolling I've never encountered It sounded interesting if it's in this document so those pieces would still be part of that but with updated costs So we actually have a document not a completed document. This is the technical proposal from the 18 era 1718 era RFP And we have a contract document from just after that I don't know if I have it down here with me that lays out some of the deliverables which match This and that advanced along that timeline with this piece until about 2018 and has essentially settled back into the alternatives analysis cost scoping That the update was on just a second ago with the two way versus one way and either needing new traffic counts Or just saying that the construction cost will be the metric to weigh the two Against each other. So there's no sense of if one's better than another. It's just We could forego additional traffic study because when two rivers did there They just the tube style that counted right kind of about absolute volume. The idea would be to add Turning patterns and a few other things to evaluate how that one section would change or what the impact would be if it went from two to one And so my understanding was the first traffic data we got was not Great because it showed no trucks And we knew that wasn't accurate So they were going to go back and redo it and they were supposed to do those side streets also because that data was needed to say If we went to one way Then they could run it through the traffic model to figure out where the cars would go That wanted to go the opposite way And then that was the whole discussion of if you went one way, which way do you go? Yeah, right because they wanted it coming towards the hospital for ambulance service But some of the people wanted it going the opposite way probably because that's where we had to work but you know, it's uh And that would lead us to The options that were there to have those options to go to the neighborhood meetings to say here's the Board on this one. Here's the board on this one And we had lots of conversations if I could interject when we were doing the planning and Marty was part of You know was coming to the neighborhood about this About like the poles and what it would be like to move the poles and where should the sidewalks go And and I think it was pretty universal that moving the sidewalks made a lot more sense than moving the poles You know, you can go back and ask folks about that But if you curved the side of the street where the poles were and put the sidewalk On my side of the street, you know, that might make a great deal more sense economically It's and and I think for the for the neighborhood the frustration has been the crickets that have ensued Since the traffic The one way versus two way the sidewalk width Was another option Whether you went with a full with the green space between the road and the sidewalk or you Did the minimum I don't know that we're ready to Go back out to the neighborhood until we get some of that because we're what Well, my understanding was those that the rpc was going to do that other traffic study and I think you're right coveted and I don't know that they I Never saw it come in on one of their reports is one that they had done. So last one listed is dated in The last report back to the board, I think was made by 2019 That's the last time it appeared in minutes It might be worth reaching out to them to say You know, where did this get left off because they get money every year to do traffic studies Um And it's everything from count Information to actually running some of it through some models that they have access to One of the recommendations rerun it modeled in synchro, which I'm guessing is a program Yeah um for this type of data But then I don't know that we gotten Information that gave us the ability to make that decision of One way versus two way and yeah, where to locate Let so Is I understand the traffic If you if you wanted that to be part of the decision The getting the right data set would inform the impacts on that and then the cost of construction costs will be modeled based on Some of those factors such as where do you start where do you end that section? And which way it runs up or down east west whatever direction that would be And some of the hang on sport discussion right now the um One of the issues there was if you go to one way, where does that traffic go? And so before you could say you know because it's such a neighborhood up there Who's going to be impacted and what that impact is is Is got to be known for each of the options In the scope also you mentioned the side streets it was for for maple and the two smaller Side streets as well were part of the original part of that proposal Right Well, I hope sure we can do something pretty soon because I've lived there since 1940 In the sidewalks and everything are original. They're historic now jack And you know, I'm getting old and I said a lot on the porch And I'll tell you if you'd have been there this summer You wouldn't have been very happy But we knew this project at meanville So you you know you kind of put up with it, but boy the tractor trailers and the traffic going down there Is been awesome. I mean there's there's nothing left of of the street. It's just gone. It's gone And so we're on the features today. I tried to take a walk. You have to walk in the middle of the street And you have to go like this In front of a room at features house the storm drain which has been called in more than once Is totally in now So it's you know, it's a it's a liability and someone's going to give her it We have put cones up ourselves and somebody comes and takes them away. It's probably the town. I don't know Probably crazy, but we're trying to help people so they don't lose their vehicles or hurt themselves So we just we've given up at this point And I do appreciate, you know the the patching that did happen on the road, you know, some of the crater-sized potholes have been filled in Which saves me from wanting to build the town for damage to my car when I roll over said potholes, but I do not think when you go back and look at this if you come back and talk with maple street I am not certain that one way or two way was a pivotal issue It was a design conversation And a thought about how this could work to make a walkable bikeable neighborhood But getting the street and the infrastructure under the street Fixed that was the big piece That's the most important part is to have a decent sidewalk To have some protection for our yards so that we are not scooping up two wheelbarrows full of Someone else's pieces of road, which is what happens after the plow goes through And that it's safe for people to walk, you know that that my mother-in-law can walk from jocelyn house down to my house You know which should take five minutes and now is just not a safe walk So so driver One of the other challenges with this project though, if I understand correctly is the Ability of the water wastewater fund to afford to redo the infrastructure under the road So that's uh That's a problem your congress people about passing that bill Not pointing that politics Has been a promise there five or six times and I'm not sure they'll get this one over the finish line either They listen a lot, but they don't seem to act. I got some firsthand experience in that The senate did it so that felt like a big hurdle to me, but Anyway, all right, I'll keep going along with it so and the next steps are to See where the traffic study is at and move it towards options, then neighborhood meetings Preferred alternative Can can I ask that you've done such a lovely job starting to communicate about the being the word project? Can I ask that that continue about this? Because that's that's captured a lot of really good Much more positive feedback than we had had before Yeah, good But are we doing it a mixture of the high tech and yeah front porch for To my house and that's Nice to do yeah All right, we'll we'll stay with those methods then and we can certainly do that Okay, we're being optimistic when might we expect actual construction to happen I think sometime in the First half of the 21st century So having the foreseeable future It's gonna depend on it on the overall scope of the cost and I saw a number from 1617 era that had it around a million at that point and I get stormwater wastewater in And it gets north of that number. It's going to be a I mean really some of the time It's going to depend on the ability to pay for the different Aspects and how to sequence them. I think water wastewater Could be one of the bigger wrinkles so we're able to get federal infrastructure dollars They plug into different pieces our paving reserves are healthy We've built to that that could be on the earlier end of things next few years say But it's going to depend on on the availability of funding and the overall cost. I mean that's really and then how that Measures out with the timing and priorities and other things that happen So it'll it'll be a bit of a rubik's cube to actually answer that question But I think this is the pathway to get to that point to say Here are some reasonable scenarios for when it could if These different things fall into place namely when would we have the funding for all the different pieces? So the good scenario of the two or three years I have a promise of this nature to do everything. I would estimate long Particularly if we're looking at federal funding sources with different commitments process elements And then the construction Calendar I saw in one of the technical proposals I think was about a 16 week So whatever it starts it's a It's a whole summer of Disruption And everything so it's put that's long-term gain short-term pain for long-term gain in that case Well, they already learned about that this summer. Yeah Yeah, we learned about it when Crossroads Street was being had the same thing And prostrate street on street, you know, those are the it's going to tie up Some time and take some time and it takes time to get to that phase That's part of it. So we we knew that going in and considering the original date schedule was supposed to be this summer You know, we were We were aware Those of us that are there, so Knowing that it's going to move forward is a very good thing I think wrapping our hands around what's the full scope and what's the cost is that's the big first challenge really We're gonna have pay for it, which is the next big challenge, but We're on the path to yeah, there was money available. So it seems to be more and more It looks like there will be but Yeah All right, uh, I've been in government for 30 plus years so Once they have agreement which doesn't seem to come very easy to them then we'll start talking All right Next up is a banner installation request The discussion about the sign ordinance So in talking with the not certain user festival folks they'd asked for if there was a way they could hang Banners in certain places and what we've included in the packet are The the two pieces from which We'll be working through. Yeah, I don't know got a copy. We've actually got some folks here from the So the challenge we're having is that the application form quotes the 1998 version of the sign ordinance and would seem to make More general banner use more permissive, especially in the light pole arms And that's really where the the two sets of restriction come in When you look at the 2020 version of the sign ordinance in the box of tylight It limits those uses for town events town sponsored events or events taking place on town property And so an event benefiting a school program based on the ordinance language wouldn't fit under that town event town sponsored event or town property event What silent in the sign ordinance though is the gazebo as a possible place to to put a banner So some of it is just a raised effect that we've got a bit of a discrepancy and we think of it from order of operations to use the A math term the ordinance is always going to trump law ordinance policy Plan form kind of at the at the bottom of that hierarchy. So the ordinance language is the is the Operative piece but we could go with that's what's highlighted in the box And so then we could go with the gazebo though because that's not part of the sign ordinance And there is some past practice that would indicate that we've made that allowance before Four events that aren't town sponsored events. So it would take the light pole arms out But give a public place downtown in addition to whatever other efforts and one of the things I think josh recommended was You know business windows bulletin boards those types of other public advertising spaces as an augment or an option So when I looked at the town of the sign ordinance though, it doesn't define A town event right and to me a town event is bigger than the town did it. It's something that's RAC DC it's chamber. It's the school. It's It's some type of entity that's there for the benefit and positive Impact of the town and we don't define it in there. So couldn't the select board say tonight we Have determined that a school event is a town event You could and then would create that as the The de facto policy that the definition in the ordinance of town will henceforth be school and I'm basing it more on sort of the common Historical ordinance Just ordinances I worked on that a part of town is more narrowly defined. I think it needs to be written Yeah, it's got to be written about it. Well, that's the the one take away for sure Yeah, to make sure we have harmony and things to get rid of so from a planning commission standpoint So the reason the sign ordinance says what it says is because we were trying to we were focusing on this thing about content neutral That was like the whole focus and all this stuff and so I don't really think that the intent here from the planning commission's standpoint was to Limit things like, you know, the chambers use these these lamp post rods Uh, the the chamber uses them Chandler uses them We the rec departments used them for 4th of July stuff and we've also had the chamber used them for 4th of July And then you have the whole christmas free thing that hangs on them. So There's a lot of entities with our acdc's used them So I don't think we ever thought that this was going to be a problem from a planning commission standpoint So we need to clean this up, you know and rewrite that I think that's what we should do because In my opinion, we've now we've maybe we've gone backwards here We're now allowing these things to happen when we're trying to promote these kind of things to happen within the community so and Where is the event? I have to go back and look at the minutes from when we improved the last But where is the event going to so that's going to be far as far as hill. Okay. All right, and it's benefiting I understand that it's benefiting students. Is this potentially an exchange program or what? We have our representative here Hi These are the children that were accepted to a very competitive program in the middle school and it got washed away with covid Okay, the parents came forward and asked I'm the advisor and deb lary and they asked if could we continue and can we make a high school trip So I said great, but we have to fundraise and make this happen amongst And there were 10 and now there's five that are bongo and ready to fundraise to make this happen for their children And we have from 9th grade to 12th grade. So if japan is still closed next year We have four years to have for this to happen this event in particular I've been an advisor for many many years. I have never seen anything like this So tony has made sure community comes first. So the vendors the far the far hill It just everything is randoff centered So that's what's what is amazing about this as well. So it's very much benefiting the community as well as the And these are randoff students Yeah, this is lily dad. Yeah, she's a randoff student. You want to stand and She'll be selling her t-shirts that's only designed. So it's all in house. It's a wonderful thing. Yeah So I don't know my feeling is this falls smack dab under definition of the town event Well, I'm not sure it's just a school event Right, right from what I'm you know, this isn't school sponsored. I mean, it's in courage Supported by that So we're under them. It is a school event. Yes. Yes, and and And the young people participating will be in a sense representing the town of randoff They're working hard at this. So correct. Yeah, I know it's also an exchange program because for years We've had students have come from japan, right? Exactly. So inside If you allow this if this is okay, they would be up for two weeks They might just The 21st And we did talk about that in the planning commission about the length of time The banners could be hung and I think that part's still pretty appropriate I think it was about a month and 31 days or something There's something it's in there. No more than 31 days and we're moved within seven. Right So is this part of the sister Yes, and no For that middle school because coveted They it was canceled and these are just motivated parents who came forward and said, please can we make this happen for our children? But our children will be in high school right, but isn't Is the where they're going isn't that like That's the Right municipality that the town has the sister relationship, right? Correct. So we may visit them We have a sort of a new goal with the environmental Disasters that happen in japan. We are focusing on where the tsunami hit because this is the year the 10th year anniversary of the tsunami for them and we were working on getting a monument and bringing it to them and and expressing Commemorating the lives that were lost in establishing a high school Because we don't have a sister school with high school. We only the sister school middle school So that's what we're trying to work Our new goal Some something in regard to the 10th anniversary of the tsunami From a vermont perspective. It's also the 10th anniversary of iris. Is it? Yeah In a week and at two weeks, so that could be a nice A bridge You know, we've both been through pretty significant national national disasters 10 years ago In our case a natural disaster in their case man-made disaster In fact Anybody want to make a motion that it's a town event I would maybe leave it more generic to say that you're going to approve the banner permit set the policy that way I think if we designated a town event, we just want to make sure that we're not creating an insurance obligation or anything like that As an as a an event owner an event sponsor. So you'd be approving the ability to use it Under the definition that it we're under the premise that it meets those definitions I don't know that you'd want to designate it one Without us maybe doing that piece if that makes sense as a way to If we're headed is toward approval and then one of the things we'll have to make sure and it's Or anybody that confuses with a lack of support From the building. It's just If we've got some policy goals and the ordinance is the way we want to achieve them We're just going to make sure that I'm going to We're going to make that language Let's toss it back to the planning commission. Yeah, these things all have to match our our vision and our intent And and so right now they don't switch to spirit high and navigate through the confusion I think rest in you know, you've got town events common town sponsored events. Well, what's right Well, it wasn't the differences the intent was not to Limit these kind of things going forward. I don't think we really gave it a thought that we would be limiting anybody's ability to use those It took a new set of eyes to find that for yeah, no, it's actually it's great that these guys They're doing this because we might have discovered this until the next chamber event or the next racvc event. So You know, I'm happy to deal with it right now and see if we can get it fixed. All right, we got a motion on that Somebody I'll move we approve the use of The under the terms of the banner ordinance that we approve that the Missouri music festival is able to use Um public locations for putting up banners for the upcoming event So A motion and a second all those in favor. All right Opposed motion carries Thank you Thank you, thank you so the paving bids Came in and we dealt with them via email. We just need to ratify To go with the springfield son of the paving I like the motion that we approve springfield son of the paving to do Paving on the three rugs this year based on their bid second that All those in favor Opposed motion carries That's a good question just for clarification. Sure Is this going to be the full length of western street? It is and just that section at the top of school street Yeah, the railroad crosses the railroad tracks down to that. Okay. Yeah first speed hump Yeah, yeah, that's the one right off and if you're my car is going to disappear Um, so go quicker. He'll jump it. Well the speed hump is there so you can That's true. You can jump it. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be like you're alternative The french connections We should just don't try to beat the train There should be a schedule on that soon when worker talked to me sounded like they were trying to maybe time our work with Work and Bethel so they move the equipment up this way one time We're owed that schedule answer They ever stop working in bed All right, next up we have an easement request from jack caldry This is you've got a map in the packet. It's a little harder to see in black and white, but it shows essentially this would formalize Preformal easement for access to that part of the property at four central street the drive is currently in use it comes across that Sliver of town owned land next to the village fire station This would it's a little triangle Yeah, we We sort of I just drew the boxer on it to kind of show what the approximate area would be really it's this little triangle that they where they cross These lines are not obviously exact, but give you a sense of where it would be It's in use now that easement includes a prohibition on parking or blocking the easement as part of the access So that we don't get any conflicts with the emergency vehicles Exiting the building in particular But this is how long has that drive way been in use jack? Since the 40s 40 of my original deed. I owned the first made of the fire station Oops, well, that's okay. I'm selling here there. There you go. You can't do that now. You have to get a first-class license from it You don't sell it you put it in the soda machine And so you've got a draft easement here. Mike Tarrant has looked at it And his feedback is incorporated mainly in the form of the no parking We're blocking part of that So it's been reviewed by the town attorney as well Just a question on this usually there's a fee or something that goes along with these but I would assume when we get onto the maple street Project if we need an easement onto some of your property, we'll get it for nothing when we're doing this one for nothing I was gonna like, okay, what have we got to train here? What's the deal? Hey, what's the deal first round draft choice in 2024? Yeah player to be made later And the only other update I'll have to make is the state july 2021. So it's a small When it's nice, it'll get updated to august if you if you if you can fix that. Yeah All right, just something I wanted to get cleared up. It's um, it's I've got a sales agreement ready to go Sounds good. So there'll be an equal trade though when we're doing the maple street project, correct? You heard that, right? She hasn't changed any in 20 years It's been longer than that jack But I'm serious You're asking the town for an easement across our property And in a few months we will be coming to you potentially asking for an easement on your property if it If that option comes out there. I'm just saying Well, you know, I I look at it this way here when it comes to maple street That's a pretty tight situation down through there, especially on the Eastern part and boy, I'll tell you what you start squeezing and I'm I I think In all reality, it's going to be so much easier to make that a one way because by the time you you make a five-foot Sidewalk and then two lanes of highway. You're going to be right into my flower bed. So Hey, we'll have to cross that bridge with the time pass You notice I don't drive my trucks down there while the road's been deteriorating. You haven't seen my trucks on that street Oh, right. I'm trying to help you guys out. I heard a lot of complaining up there. So I'm not on that road All right, it's going to be a it's going to be a problem But Hey, just like everything else you have to work it up. Yeah And we will think that was yes I wanted on the record. I know That was a qualified There's been no commitment. I know I would just go on the record saying that if it's going to be one way I think ambulance is trump commuting to work, but yes Yeah, maybe definitely But we're back to this So I'll assume if we approve this tonight and give you the easement into there We'll get the same treatment when that road maybe you'd maybe maybe you won't need it. Maybe you won't need it Life will be good, right? Well, I don't really need this Honestly, you know if you really want to look at no need it because I've been using it for Four years, okay, and I can't be taken away but I I'm trying to do things right and Get this done and and I I will say I will do the best I can to make this a more couple make the street Okay, there you go. You got it. We got it. I'll open you to my word. I'll make a motion to approve this We'll come talk about it on your day. Second That's seconded. You're gonna have a motion and second all those in favor. All right Opposed You knew you were going to get her ass. Oh, I know He would not like it if he didn't She's getting tougher Jack you said you start you do things, right? When did you start that? I Next up is authorizing an application for neighborhood development area designation So we're coming up on an application deadline. I believe it's at the end of the month You've got a narrative in there from josh. You can't join us. He's Deep in the grotten state forest this week So essentially the action item would be authorization to apply for our neighborhood designation our neighborhood development area designation from the downtown development board the application is underway We'll hopeful the authorization to apply is enough to satisfy the state agency involved If for some reason I guess there is some question about whether They need you to bless the full formal application once it's done So if that's something that does need to occur That might have to be pulling three of you together if you authorize it tonight just to give a formal blessing to the application At some point before the deadline. I want to say it's the 27th, but I didn't write it down. I apologize Um, you've got a map in the packet. It's a little hard to see in the black and white version There's really sort of two areas on the other side of The downtown area and one up off the sort of Elm street and Fars Hill area the other one Down here incorporating parts of western school And then over on on hospital hill would be that that would be our Neighborhood development area separate from our downtown designation area And then there's a list of benefits in there. So qualified mixed income projects would be exempt from act 250 If they're not exempt or any act 250 projects not qualified for an exemption would get a 50% discount on application fees fees for wastewater review are capped at 50 bucks exemption from land gains tax limitation on appeals of conditional use permits for residential development And priority consideration for state grants It takes into consideration things like floodways floodplain some of the less developable or undevelopable properties as well Is how you get into that and then as josh writes the national historic district around depot square And it's taken into consideration as well So this fits in with some of these zoning changes that were approved in july We're done in anticipation of potential nba designation At some point later on so this keeps that process moving forward And so we apply for that and then there'd be a presentation round in the fall Or we go for the downtown development board some of the wrinkles that we'll have to work out along the way If we get through sort of what designation would look like might pertain to sidewalk Projects timing and or what constitutes a level of applicable commitment Obviously, we're not looking to commit to sidewalk projects that haven't been scoped identified, but it'll be nice to come to different areas And so we have said to figure out what that commitment means because it does come with that four projects such as Salisbury square and potentially Some of our missing link segments as we think of them. So over Park street There's a missing link up to the uh to the rec field and then we're here in the village when you kind of cross the railroad tracks and around there That western street. Yeah Yesterday, it's interesting. There is a sidewalk on western street. It's just all grass to run over. Yeah I never knew it was there until I Fixed my driveway and found that hey, look at this. There's a concrete sidewalk right here I'm kidding it. It's all going over So this would be the authorization authorization to apply would be the action item Trevor I'm having trouble reading this mat Yeah, all right. Does that that includes Salisbury square and branchwood? Uh, yes, let me see if I can We have the color one right here Yeah It if yes, I believe let me just see if I can find real quick I'm gonna show you It's an imperfect way to be able to at least get you going These are parcels, right? Yeah so Salisbury square Yes, the branch would parcel too And it looks like branchwood would need to based on What I'm reading is the railroad track and where it goes past that property And that would be part of the goal. Yeah I don't know if you can Look at on this one, but Tom's brother's ever yeah, so the railroad track is you give it as the Sort of that dividing little space between The thicker the thicker blue space. You have between between the blue and the yellow in that section. Yeah So, yes, those both are implanted I'll move that we submit an application for the NDA and I will second you In the second all those in favor Opposed Motion carries Next we have a grant You've got a a narrative from josh the Timing considerations are similar and that there's an end of the month or impending application deadline this would be tied to a work grant for the fellow mont trail be a multi Municipality projects of brain tree Randolph in Rochester much like we were on prior work grants. We'd be the The lead applicant And so this would be part of that vellum on trail. I'm just going to go Hopefully the whole length of the state of Vermont and have a hut system along with it So there's a couple of huts that come with two three signage eight to ten miles of new trail marketing plan And the way the vellum on trail is currently proposed it will come through downtown I believe as it comes up sort of out come through downtown Back up toward the Ellis lot and of course somewhat up there kind of skirt its way back up And along the trail and there's even some talk about trying to figure out if there's a way to put a hut Essentially down here in downtown either something built or something repurposed downtown or close to downtown. Yeah Which would be nice so that we can take advantage of some of that That trip based traffic It's like a cabin I think there's different versions of that. There's there's cabins. There's yurts So there and there's some Glamping type units that are popping up into these regions. And so there's things that are happening off Off from off the trail, which is actually creating some economic activity That's being planned where there's actually maybe not just from the huts association But some private landowners through hip camp and some of those things that are near those spaces creating the same type of thing Is there a match on this grant? There's not one listed. I can see if I can find that though. I don't think there was I didn't think so, but I I don't remember if there was a match on the first one If there was it might be an in-kind style match. Oh, it may have been And if it's like the first one, I think we can recoup some of our administrative costs as well It does say that in there Match can be any Our matching funds require this is from the state. No match is not required It demonstrates your project readiness and leverage capacity for local level But it can be any type of funding source or in-kind service donated materials as long as they're related to budgeted eligible expenses in project So My understanding is that we're the only ones that actually completed that We're the only town that actually I mean it was awarded to j to j got Okay, j got a chunk of money right or new port new port new port region. Yeah new port, I think and as they ran into some Issues with permitting and something. I don't know. So we're the only ones that completed it permitting problems Where would those come from Perry? So anyways, yeah, so I'm kind of excited to see if we can put something together for this one. So It's a project. Yeah, that's the motion I'll make a motion that we improve their application request for it up for the For rent Helpers in favor Opposed motion carries draft our proof funding committee and scope of work proposal This is something we talked about at the last meeting to put together a draft version Of that idea. We did get the first of our two Payments of the base money on Monday. So the 239 944 is is with us in a safe space And arrived by direct deposit the 120 million dollars in county funds are going to be repurposed for local governments We don't know Details on timing or amount But the easiest way would because we've all certified the easiest way would be to split it in half like the other funds and deliver by direct deposit We'll see nothing about the county funds has been easy so far. So we'll see if suddenly it shifts That's actually a good amount if you're prorated across me just how is that's a lot more money, right? Yeah, at one point they're talking about a per capita share and if yeah, if you do that You boost that 480 that we would be expecting goes up north of Of the sixth digit and it gets you just to over around a million dollars In a very conservative estimate, but it's right, right because that's such a big jump. We've really hesitated even Sort of guessing what the amount would be Until they put it. I looked the other day. I didn't check today But I looked the other day they hadn't kind of updated those Back in february or march. There might have been a number hanging out there because at one point they did publicize it because other municipalities made decisions based on Expecting and anticipation Yeah, and then suddenly got 40 percent of what they were expecting or half or 20 percent because it was half of the 40 Um, so the other half of the money, however, they split it out will come Next may june is the thought so we've got some time before we've got all of the funds The uses haven't changed from what we've talked about in terms of the categories So they've trying to figure out for now how to navigate within those Whether it's vlct or the national league of cities or others. They they encourage folks to look at a Strategic planning and community engagement process one easy way to do that would be sort of a multi disciplinary multi-jurisdictional kind of committee that includes board committee members And public members that would work with town staff probably primarily through the manager's office to figure out what the guidelines are To figure out what community priority priorities are to to engage the community at different spots Stakeholder potential partners and then it made me create a master list of at least some project ideas that would be eligible That are out there and then include any information we've got about them. Some of them might just be yep That's an eligible use. We have no idea cost scope timing and I would have to be developed at a later point but at least to give us some sense of Here are some of the ways That this money could be used so that when the Board and the voters when we get into that process of figuring out how to spend it We've been kind of an engagement exercise everybody knows that we've got the money They know what it's for that infrastructure is water waste water broadband not Some of the other facility base needs that have come up this potential So I'm sorry to say that again infrastructure is what water wastewater and broadband You can use it on other infrastructure up to a certain amount if you can tie it to any lost revenue So when we've seen communities Having with the money for example, it's been through that lost revenue provision I think Montpelier is an example of that some of it was redirected there But it went lost revenue and up to that max and I forget what it is 15% of the award amount Not that I'm suggesting this but could a Portion of it be used towards something like making stream On that fall within on a basic understanding of the water wastewater and you can consider storm water wastewater You could probably make that case. Yeah, the funds are trying to be tied to the COVID impacts or public health and so I think that's why they've Limited it to those infrastructure categories Well, the other thing to keep in mind Thomas the money is to the town of randolph Right and the water wastewater is a separate district Right Coincident without I was going to point out that In the in the suggestion that we form a committee and making sure it has town-wide representation. That's right In that in that ball park. So yeah, I thought clean water And whatnot was there too, which would address some of our culverts and ditching and all that I think the storm water through the clean water hook might be and if it seems like in a state like Vermont That's if you apply it to include all those projects you could get into to culvert and those types of water quality projects So it'd be interesting to flush that out because we might be able to Really accelerate that program if that were That was eligible and people were interested in and that and I would have town-wide benefit We've got culverts all over the place and small bridges and other things that are washing words So the idea would be we flesh out a scope of work would be in a crippled high member committee This is based on the size of a group. I worked with that a prior stop on a project that had some elements about sensitive to to geographic locations representation and then Putting about half the committee membership would be from boards committees and commissions So we create a connection point to the different areas of interest Having it led by the policy and legislative body. I think it was something that I would recommend and that's in there So to be a board member. I've listed some potential committees, but you could Move them around some of the ones I picked say just because of some of the ties to the eligible uses For potential projects we've got so we've got budget capital advisory energy and economic development You can slide planning commission in there as well or in lieu of one of those With four committee slots at this point being held for public participation So we would solicit membership But look to a point with an eye towards one of the members is in the village once in Randolph center Once in east Randolph to ensure that we've covered everybody and if you did four that leaves a sort of a wild card member in there as well could be from Somewhere in town anywhere inside there may be the chairs of those committees you mentioned Planners could be the chairs or if there's a committee member that wants a particular interest or a skill set that would be helpful You know that that could be could be that So if the idea is okay as the way to engage There's a way to start to figure out how to what the eligible uses are to dig into this a little more We've got time. We don't have to obligate the money till 2024. We don't have to spend it till 2026 But with our budget cycles if we're going to loop it through that we don't have quite as much time because we have to be thinking ahead a little bit in terms of we're going to start building fiscal 23 So fiscal 24 comes kind of on the on the heels. So we need to be in 2023 have that In four town meeting 2023 if it needs to root through a budget or if that's what we want to do There's no limitation and when we can start spending it though, right? No, we could we could go tomorrow Say this group identified something imminent. Yeah, then Yeah, I'm provided. We have the right other types of process. We could go sooner than later So that my pillar example the paving funds can you know, they they dedicated them to go back out before they had them On the basis of lost revenue replaced up to a certain amount So it's eligible for this type of use and we're going to dedicate that to Forget what the paving project is not near my house The pavement near my house section pretty good. So I'm okay It's the only problem would be if they used it for something that turned out to be Because they didn't do and that's the other the nice with the slow approaches We get to see both what's successful. What's created what the interpretations are for these And that's good to see the ones that maybe don't work out. And so we know to Steer wide Yeah Around some of this is a little time to collect a little more of that kind of yeah, I mean it's not directly analogous But you could get yourself in a tiff type. Yeah Situation after the fact and wanting to hold in the bag for yeah sizable amount of money Yeah, suddenly you're locally responsible for funding money. You thought would be eligible for this other use of funds But I have to repay them or it's uneligible Right So yeah, so to take a bit of a slow walk on it does make some sense just to make sure we use it right We don't have all of it until right next June. Anyway, I'm under the idea that you know, let's just Set the group up start thinking about it start brainstorming. Don't get the big hurry because the program's probably going to change I'm just sharing with you My personal experience of some things right right now with the sba that's like, oh, that wasn't eligible And now you can do this. You know, this just all happened last week. No, that's a bet I would not take because I I think you're absolutely. Yeah, no, I think we're gonna see this change So, you know whether stuff becomes a little more lean I mean, that's what's happened now is some of the some of the qualifying expenses are now There's others that you couldn't do six months ago or a year ago. So things are changing and they're probably Rebooting this Well, we had a smaller version of that where we had At some point along the way had applied for reimbursement for covid related expenses And FEMA had turned it down at the time and it was later reviewed And these expenses were deemed eligible. So 19 000 came back to the town Recently that had at one point been denied under an interpretation of a set of the rules that when it was really revisited Right. Oh, no wait. These are eligible. We're gonna Separate pot of money, but still You know received it. They're changing the uses or they're changing how they're allocating it. Yeah So, yeah, I think that's a great idea. Maybe get started on setting up a group and Start brainstorming Formal scope that builds off of the bullets there and there's some other Things to consider best practice stuff from some of those groups that I mentioned Get this group to engage and do some of the heavy lifting and figuring out How to navigate the pathways and then leaves some of the decision-making in terms of how the money gets spent for For a second phase Thank you for taking the initiative It's a this is a nice problem to have How to spend a million All right, let's on to consider authorizing Replacement of the pearl street. Well, paul I think I don't know if he jumped on zoom if chris is with us remotely chris chambers. Yeah, is he? So chris if you want to I can do a little intro, but you're going to have more of the color. I think in terms in the detail Yeah, we'll turn you up a little bit. We've got some speakers going but we can hear you Okay So we had the grocery well pumping rates have declined um a little bit this summer and Where the last time they declined it turned out to be pumped close to our club the well streams Had full pump including the screen um that was done in roughly 2004 2005 Um, but the pump was not replaced And this is the same pump that's been in there since the mid to late 80s um so My thought probably was that we're going to pull it again and probably about who could replace pump Normally, I think this would be kind of a no brainer for everybody, but Considering that within a year and a half or so um, this pump this well is going to become a backup. I felt it should you know It needed further discussion Um And on top of that the park go now which he prevents the pump from water hammering when it turns on and off um You cannot find parts for it anymore. I did find out last week. There's a technician that prepares these but He has come up with creative ways to fix them alternatively um so The current method that instead of a particle valve is to use a variable frequency drive Which allows a soft start and shut off of the pump um To keep it from slamming and water hammering on the system But it also does it in a safe manner that the doesn't hurt the intricate parts of the pump Over all the problems. Um, well pump life as well And so chris did you want to if one of the other options would be essentially a manual valve That staff would have to go and turn on and off every day, right and open the valve close the valve Right when the pump wasn't if we were operating the pump we got to have a valve that would be going manually opening close instead of the parkour valve um the Issue with that could be is the amount of pressure that's on it We shouldn't look at that. You know the valve may not be easily opened They were trying to look and see if there was a tip of gear ratio valve um To do that, um, I know that They hadn't gotten back to me on whether there was such a thing or not yet I know on our slide gates at the wastewater plant. We have a special gearbox to assist with a similar situation And those gearboxes are 800 and $1,000 just for gearbox, but it's not on a valve. It's on an actual slide gate so It could be very different and a very different mechanism For an opening and closing of a Chris, what's the cost of the new pump in the The variable frequency drive So, um I originally was playing on being at the or attending the meeting at all tonight. So I don't have numbers in front of me I got him fine Okay, I'll let the driver take that part. So we're sad to between the two pieces. We got you, Chris We got the two pieces. It would be the total would be about 32,500. It's split on almost 50 50. There's about $17,000 for the pump and about $16,000 for the For the variable frequency drive and then there's the potential with the vft These are the types of things that have been eligible for efficiency vermont rebates because they're so much more efficient So we can probably weren't able to determine a full cost of that today, but we can probably Lower the bft cost if that program is still there still accessible And we'll try to utilize it again with the north reservoir project for example So there's the possible possibility that we can add some some extra relief in there And both of those for the are for the installed pieces. It would be two separate Vendors, right chris. It would be vermont well and pump would do the install for the well pump piece And then weston and samson would do the install and supply the variable frequency drive That is correct And we did try to calculate today the staff cost of going out over the course of a year to turn a valve on and off manually So even if you assume it's an hour a day And you include all the incidentals the number cliff and I came up with It's about $10,000 a year to send an operator out to do that provided they could still Do that without any some of the pressure things. So there's a There's certainly a benefit for that knowing that This emergency source will continue to run And run efficiently without without requiring us to to schedule that in Can you explain the two parts again one is the pump? Yeah, and the other is installation or is it something? Well, there's the well pump and installation is the one piece and then the other piece is the variable frequency drive Which has its own installation piece separate separate. Yeah And the in the drive basically chris just opens and closes the valve right And in the simplest simplest form Yeah, it just basically turns the pump on and then the check valves that are already placed Would there's a pump then when you wouldn't get the water hammer on the system And you'd utilize the check valves that are already there that prevent water from running back into the well pump as it is The park old valves just to make sure the pressure You know, you don't get a bunch of water hammers and great stuff throughout the system Cliff described the cost is this will not hit the budget balance sheet items So we're really talking about cash versus budgetary concerns in the town has the cash to do this Does the water wastewater committee have the cash to do that the town isn't the one paying for it? They are right If I understood correctly, this would be out of that general one account Pool of cash would be probably easiest to think of as town pool And then we'd have to make sure it's allocated Trude up at some point so that it is enterprise But I think if I understood this when we talked about this afternoon, it's out of that general pool of town cash And not a water wastewater specific one I know it's here But it would get allocated Not if they don't have the money it gives back into where they already owe the general fund of fair chunk It could create a due to due from situation that needs to be trued up at at some point depending on how how we sorted through it but at the simplest level That might be one way to do it Yeah, maybe How far down is the pump? Roughly 160 feet. Oh, that's all. That's it. I thought that one was deeper I've gotten varying numbers So I want those last one to pull it they have 160 feet on there in a record that okay from when they pulled it no five So if they pull it 160 feet and it's the screen That just needs to be cleaned and have it sent back down. That's Not that big a pull. So, um Just so you're aware the This one it's a 50 horse pump And the piping to it. It's not like you're piping in your standard homeowner's pump, right? It's an all steel piping all the way down Yeah, so as they pull it they have to take it apart and then they have to put it all down together to send it back down through There's no money in the water wastewater budget to Pay it is that See if I can verify that Well, I guess we know the answer to maple street then don't we? I think we're starting from closer to the floor than the ceiling And I don't ever see us Abandoning that well even though that's the well that gives us the trouble because when we were at that meeting up here that that well is the That's the well that supports the fires system Even if the other ones go online That was always the plan right that we needed that volume in case there was a spike to her for a local village fire So Or if you'd have a dry year Well, that's true. Right. So yes, I think you need it. I just yeah, I don't think I don't see us getting rid of it So the last one lasted 40 years and I consider that to be too bad investment I don't know what the last one cost, but You know who knows right? Yeah 40 and we're assuming this has a 30 year useful life chris I my phone That probably about a 30 year useful life or we do we not maybe not now when I we're talking about Unfortunately prior to You know the mid 2000s Some of our records within my department are that we're already But yeah, that's from what I'm you know getting them because Aaron Perez was the superintendent at the time And he had no information saying as to when the last time was the pump was pulled when he pulled it and All indications lead to that being the pump that was Done middle ladies There's some note here that the expense hits the the budget on the capital site over a 30 year period So the idea would be that that's where We show up in the water wastewater capital side I need to appreciate it over that 30 year period I'm understanding my own handwriting, of course So that makes it a 30 year asset, but that still doesn't address how it gets paid for. Yeah, right your question still It would be well it would be As this sits it would be out of the general town account sort of Maybe then it's got to have a payback schedule. It would then have to be assigned. Yeah, if I wanted to I mean the cash piece would be town and the ledger piece is how we assign it You know, there's been a fair amount of heated discussion over the Correction that's taking place now in a couple of town meetings To reconcile some of those due to new firms between the accounts There's a transaction. I think it takes place every year right now to Pay back the general fund from the from them Just isn't this sewer 25,000 from water It usually flows no pun intended from the enterprise to the to the gentleman I really didn't But that's how I've seen it show up is that it's a the enterprise fund making the general fund whole for Whatever reason however that obligation occurs It was a project that was done and they weren't charged for their part of it That's a common way Costs get assigned to their own place or paid out of the wrong place or Usually project related So is the the pump is just slower right now? Correct the volumes are lower. It's not Not functioning. It's just functioning at a lower capacity It's Is that Chris it's functioning at a lower capacity, but it but it did stop functioning right? Recently when it stopped functioning when we had a control issue, but um Yes, it has been functioning at a slower rate. It usually pumps About 275 to 288 gallons a minute um, and it's currently at two Roughly two to 30 range Um Like if it don't opens the ball screen or if it's the windings starting to go no bad It's It's one of those things you can't tell until it's out of the ground Just wanted to add that last year when We were so dry at the end of last summer The pinnacle wells we had two of them that we shut off because they were Getting they were starting to pump below their permitted rates And then two of the others are showing their the others people were showing signs struggling a little bit. So we actually ran for much of the month of august on the Pearl Street well alone And it never labored on its pumping rates while the other wells were showing signs of drought issues um Just so that everyone's aware and that just shows how to defend that pump that is Chris what would the plan be to take that pump out and look at it and make a decision at that point And have the new pump on hand Or what would the procedure be? So we're looking at um six weeks lead time to get the replacement pump much like everything else in the country You know everything's on major back order um So that's kind of one of the kickers right now is You know It may have to order it and have it and then I'm not sure I'd have to chat with the contractor about that to see what You know, what kind of predicament that puts them in Is it possible to come back with next month for the more Complete knowledge I think we got to get it on order you got to move this because otherwise you're gonna be into winter here And then you're gonna be dealing with it cold weather I'm wondering if we can't authorize them to order it and have cliff Come back to us with the cost and how it gets paid for yeah, I think I'm more inclined to figure that Yeah, and I think they we got to be very transparent if we're taking money from the general fund To fund something there so the non-participants in that fund are Heard out again I think it has to be that we authorize them to Order the pump. Yeah, I think they plan coming back next month from cliff on how to pay for it Okay, what trainee said I move Oh Nice cheater Here comes the telephone game And I've seen a lot of jokes lately about When we get older and our hearing's not as good what we heard and what the next person heard. It's pretty funny. Yeah All right, we have a motion to the second on the table all those in favor five post Stanged motion carries Next we have a water allocation for 131 sugar plum court Would be for a three bedroom home for nine hundred and fifty four dollars Recommended for approval by the water wastewater committee Just need 30 more of those and we're all good, right? It's right, but 30 more three three bedrooms at 954 and we're home. I mean just pay for the pump Huh 30 yeah 30 more. Yeah, I'll make a motion that we approve this wastewater allocation Water wastewater allocation request It's just water Is it water? Yep. Oh, is this water? Okay, water. Okay water allocation. All right The way Chris is this water or waste water or both for Water Okay, so I'm just motioning that we approve the water allocation request All those in favor Assembly permits for Chandler East Valley community group Movie night and Green Mountain stage race do we want to take them all together or is there I just have one question and I can't recollect this from my time at Chandler And probably you might have a better handle on this, but Has there ever been a conflict between the stage race and Is the stage race is the day before the new world festival? Yeah, I don't recall anything Yeah issue I I I didn't think there was any but I'm just looking at the map of the course and it Yeah Most of the traffic for the stage race is outside of the village anyways. Yeah. Yeah, they come in the village afterwards Right And then they park at the high school. Yeah. Yeah, it's the same thing, right? So pretty much same room same deal, right? That's what I thought I mean they all look the same. I mean the Catholic festival is the same Yeah, I just don't do them all at once I'll move the approval for assembly permit Second all those in favor Hi Post motion carries Our add-on is the fire videos So, um, let me introduce this one for you Trevor So the fire advisory committee end up has has All three of our Departments and Brookfield on it and we have one contract for Communication services that Brookfield is part of to and they pay I think it's 25 percent of the cost for all of that for Their contract with Orange County that was separate so equipment they pay 25 percent But they have their own dispatch agreement. I believe There's been a lot of trouble with clear communication with the radios and the pagers so they did go out to Two vendors And had them look at it And decide what the challenges were and what had to be fixed And so that's the report that's here Let me see where they not only went to The sheriff's station in Chelsea where dispatching takes place They went to Beacon Hill where he has a repeater They went to the tower and Randolph center And what this is is the proposal from them On what it will take to clear up The communications for the department And so of this charge here the 6800 estimate 25 percent of that would be paid by Of this And In essence they're Quite technical report They're like drop signals interference Etc related to the You'll get one tone. They'll come through very clear. Yeah And then the next one will be so staticky. You can't understand anything they're saying That's because the different pieces of equipment are at cross purposes. Yes There's other paging companies on the tower And so they're picking up Part of interference in that The other thing is that the Beacon Hill Isn't what's used to communicate with Randolph right now And they need to run some wires to that and do some work on that and then they would be able to and that'll allow the Transmission to be a lot cleaner also But I can tell you as one that gets a listen to these quite often Sometimes you don't need other than the the tone part. That's at the beginning You don't even know who's being toned and what where they're to go and what they're to do. It's that bad So It's and another time it'll come through In the middle of the night when it's not your department being toned and you're trying to sleep It's clear as a bell Just as loud as can be I don't even live next to the train so We're on top of it Everybody's gonna pay their price So so um One would you say 20% of this to be 25% of it to pay for by And where does this come from? Fire department budget Probably from I think there's a communications The line that would cover that. Yeah, I'm like I know exactly what it's called. I think that's That's the common name for it The budget from the other company was almost 11,000 Move acceptance of the Burlington communications proposal for addressing the problems with the fire department communications system second All those in favor Motion carries Good grants Kindle grant. We should advise them that their purchase order It would be a good idea to complete that part of the process as soon as possible to submit that as soon as possible To avoid issues down the road that we've had with purchase orders before And that will help everyone Succeed I think there needs to be a little more communication to him on some other things because this went on with nobody knowing I literally got this Yesterday morning that said hey last night. We had this meeting at fire advisory and Can you add it to the agenda? It's within 48 hours. I think your meeting was within 48 hours But today you're not within 48 hours. So There needs to be some improved Working relationship Yeah Desirable highly desirable Oh, yeah We need this for COVID A new definition for the aqua Yeah, I don't get paid to do that. Oh, you don't volunteer. No, that's what they say. Oh really? I'm done like permits for fireworks, right? All that stuff with the man Okay, that one for them. Well, we did it. We took care of it All right, Kimball library grant courier grant application Yeah, they've been very successful in the year. They really have So this would be to apply for the department of libraries courier grant non competitive non matching grant So this is the cost of courier delivery of library materials for the purposes of interlibrary But it's not much money, right? The grant itself is for FY 21 $590 cover the remaining cost them for 22 we've go up to 2147 For the cost of the service that with the grant that'll lower our cost that we're down to 1334 I'm reading this right I'll move to approve the courier grant application from the library Is that I actually have one one piece of old business just to update people on the mural project And I got the great news from trevor today You may recall Last time we met the original verbal agreement from the jacob's is to erect the first mural in the mural walk On the north facing Second floor wall of the barbershop. They they reneged on that verbal commitment for a variety of reasons Most of which I got him fearful about And we have since the artist phil godin schweiger and I have since toured the kind of village With his eye to identify another mural location and just this past week We executed an agreement with annie lou To put the mural up on the third floor of 29 north main which is the building where clear sandwich shop and reishi farra's art studio So it's actually going to be on the third floor wall directly above The roof of where it was going to be previous Perfect So And phil's now at the point where I communicated with him today and We should be seeing a first invoice from phil which will be i'll pass on to The clef for The initial purchase of some materials so we can get started going the goal is to get it up in october We want to get it up before the one where it's great And annie was just ecstatic about doing it So she's really really pleased Right she really went to bat force and say pretty pretty appropriate sitting above reishi studios. Yeah, that's good to me Good job Okay, just got that my two questions are updates one is north randoff road. Where are we at with that? I get the scoping study advertised everything's ready to go. It's been Sitting waiting for that level of attention to get out, but we've got the grant the 32 000 grant. We've got everything written up We just have to advertise it and start the scoping study process That's to see what the options are right and one of them that we have to include in the scoping studies States eat it How long does it take to complete that study China with the timeline is in the rfb starting months I don't say three, but Not super comprehensive and there probably won't be a lot of the backgrounds and some of the archaeological historic sites given where it is it's Some of the other factors that are part of that process not fairly minimal In the right of way On the slope, so Okay, so by the end of this year First part of next year. Yeah, we should I would think based on the time that it's possible probable to have information During the budget If we can get it out say the next week or so good and my other questions for you the fire committee that we created to look at fire departments for Yeah Waiting for them to come back with a compensation process to finish the personnel manual And that now is involving liga cities and towns and the state financial folks from What used to be vishka? um And it all is around workers top and how to To get that one so That's there at the other thing holding the stuff right now are the risk assessments on some of the properties that haven't been done yet by their Departments that are assigned to their areas so last I knew the state lab and The new giford buildings hadn't been completed then The LW greenwood site now that that's changed has to be done That will give us the data on all the the risk pool for each boundary to then look at what's needed to To manage that That's where that's at So still progressing Still progressing, but I will admit it's very slow I'd love to see it finished Get that done Yeah, that'd be nice I think after we get the data though, that's when All the writing's gonna move forward faster probably I don't think so I think that's when the hard discussions take place Some of those will be oh, that's what it's going to be challenging But we do have a whole new personnel manual except for those two issues And the issue around payment is employee versus volunteer So if you pay by hour by call by some type of account They're de facto an employee Which that means Trevor Is in charge of the hiring chiefs and firemen and What not, you know how that'll go So they really want to be volunteers We'll be looking for a new type of managers You're looking for a lot of fire department, too But yeah, so your challenge is how do you balance everything so they have a town policy They have to follow but they're not an employee And then add on top of that the whole You know You have a job where you're paid And you have workers comp coverage And you get injured at a fire your wages are covered But if you are a local farmer or a self-employed individual of which a little more than half of them are on the Randolph center and east Randolph departments And you choose not to pay workers comp on your wages And you get injured at a fire The only wages you get reimbursed for the couple hundred dollars the town pays you under workers comp And I know we've had the discussion a couple managers ago many times and he's like no there all their wages are covered It's not true So we have a lot of folks out there that are In a high-risk position as a volunteer to the town With no backing so it is the vlct Providing insights into what other I mean, I can't believe this is unique to It's not unique, but nobody's cracked it and You know what we're trying to get the league to do is agree to Add a type of insurance that's similar to aflac Accident insurance so they get something other They're out and injured and You know, it's not workers comp, but it's kind it's something So they get something and they're not really too crazy about doing it So And I talked to two other towns and they've said well, they just know that that's the risk they're taking To me it's a little harsh. Yeah So part of the compensation is Do you pay for an insurance like that? For them as part of what they get as a benefit for for volunteering And then if you you know as models from if you meet x percent of the meetings and x percent of the trainings then you get this bonus Value You don't want to have everybody sign up to be on the fire department Not show up because they suddenly get an insurance policy and a bonus check right, so You somehow got to encourage them to First off give up their time to do it, but second off come and respond And that's the Trying to weave that right now. It's a little bit challenge managers report Big news kim She's here started monday. So we filled that executive assistant You don't have a name tag kim your last name. Oh, I don't i'm grout Nice to meet you. Welcome So far it's been wonderful to have Any extra help it's already made a big difference. So we're very excited there and beamville road culvert We probably will have to extend the closure just into next week, but we got a detailed schedule on the remaining items They're up All the way up with the back filling so the road has been put back so that it's at a spot where it's ready to be paved You know, so what comes next is tomorrow consolidated It's supposed to come in put that trench in and pour the concrete for the the vault Basically that it's fiber optic lines have to go in that sets up a weekend the lines go in monday the guardrails go in tuesday And then hopefully the paving will happen wednesday, but if the paving isn't even scheduled for wednesday There's a really good Rational behind the guardrails are the safety component and allow us to reopen the road Right That might be the moment that we do that So to say Pave it when and we pave it when we pave it if if we can't get that be nice to have it all done by wednesday Whether it doesn't and something happens and it rains and it can't do it. Yeah, that's as long as the rails are in place Yeah, there's a gear you should be put there too. Yeah, sure. I'm just so they could think that would be Yeah, awesome that it was Opened and it has to be closed again for paving. That's great, but and that would be the other option is to open it up and then when they come back for Right, I mean, I can't imagine that one will probably take longer to set up than it will Probably that section we're not talking about a lot, but So I think the smart thing might be tomorrow And one of the things I've been pushing the contractor for is this last two sets of kind of the rolling enclosure extensions That wears on everybody because we're not able to give an answer as to how far and What's left and so really pushing to say what is left? What's the timing? What's the order? I'm gonna keep pushing on We can't keep the road closed and definitely because we can't get a date from consolidating when it wants to Do what's worth and at some point if the guard reels are ready to go and they put the lines in with the guard reels in before Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, that's the part we've got to do It's got to start to move forward and move to completion and I think in that push and I was encouraged over to keep Keep rolling with that. So That's the schedule we're on So hopefully by Wednesday everything could be done if the paving falls into place, but I think by Wednesday If the guard rails are in We reopen Awesome and figure out the paving layer So tomorrow we'll send out the notices do the front porch form website thing that Says there's one more extension and We'll set it late ended early, but then explain what the steps are so everybody knows that this is the order Yeah, I think that would be important to say this is we're waiting on these pieces. We got three pieces here's how they're ordered Yeah, and then we can open at this piece Even if the third one's not done and then that'll Do us out ahead of everything. Do they have jersey barriers on site for anything down there? They may on the South end I'm not trying to picture when we were down there the other day I don't remember seeing any as we came down from the from the businesses from the the other side When they close the site up at night they've they've got the sign They must have something down for when they close it. I'm just not picturing it, but If they have jersey jersey barriers, they could move them to where the guard rail is going to go and open it until they can get In there to do those other things too That sounds like Lafayette will be there Tuesday to be able to Are they ready for Lafayette ahead of Tuesday? That's what it sounds like No, I don't know what they are That's right No, I'm serious. I don't want to know. Yeah, I may know the owner of Lafayette You can get somebody to work Sunday I'm sure But I'm also curious about the contract we have with these guys and what their performance Scope was in there. Yeah, if we didn't have it very good. We need to make sure that's Top of the line next time for future stuff. We really need to They did not hit targets at all It had a sort of the the more ambiguous completion date of December 1st and when you look through for Even items listed to closure or some of the skeleton scheduling elements. It's sort of more of a standard contract But I think beefing up some of those provisions and being more explicit I mean that would that would have helped maybe to have an extra septuels the first extension with the rain and the subsurface soils Can't argue that. Yeah, it's just kind of but he was really clear that that's all they needed That's all we're going to need. We'll be doing we'll be good and then It was discouraging last Friday to Essentially say what are we doing? What are we doing? And then Cliff and I went down there and Cliff and I were the only ones on site And the roads half Filled everything's meeting its compaction test. So it's not a quality of work. It's just a And that was the the most beautiful week we'd had in Seven weeks You think you'd be just Janice was three in the afternoon. It wasn't like we stopped over 7 p.m. Or something to be jamming Well, I'll have a little empathy for all these businesses because there's a lot of them out there They were going through the stuff just like I'm going through when you can't find the employees They call in and they don't come to work and you just it's like I'm telling you it's not it's not a normal environment right now for sure Okay, it's just not You know one of my compadres in the tent business called me yesterday and says, what do I do now? He says I'm losing my last two more guys and my high school kids leave and I've got to cancel contracts going into September So people aren't going to get their stuff from my tent was written up in seven days last week Yeah, we're almost there. There's a lot of this going on and I know of a situation where there was a complete excavation company shut down in Morrisville because the One of the the guy's wife worked at a location where they got set up so covid hit Three weeks ago and they shut the resort down and she worked there So they had to shut the resort down and then he went home or she went home And then he got it and it affected his three four-man crew excavating company because they all got told to quarantine So I think there's a lot of this stuff. I mean It's out of the control of some of these guys. I mean, you know, you don't know how many guys you've got employed How many show up to work and whether or not he's got another project so The credit card and if you think back to spring the credit card processing we have had some trainings completed at one today Today or yesterday today. Is it today? Yeah, and then there'll be another one I think to follow up and so all we're really missing to go live is to Load the buttons to the website was sort of Was how they described it. Yeah here Perfect. Hey here by credit card. So the crisis is rolling along And we'll include all of the different elements listed from the clerk's office stuff to the You know the waterway spotter some of those other buildings to the The recreation pieces to yourself. You need your frontporks forum liaison to really Boost that up when you do that. Okay. That's fun to really make a nice big and yeah Spend a long time or comment. So we're really close on that. Great. Which is nice. So those are the main pieces. I'm trying to looking at all my five notes here to see if I'm forgetting I'm gonna sign Larry some homework Yeah, he's been here Yeah, I'm just like that against the word All right, your job to promote that. Where's Larry tonight? Uh, if I remember a schedule, right? He's either in Boulder or Somewhere at a higher elevation than that He's out color All right, next up we have an executive session on a personnel Okay, you're going to go into executive session second