 All right, fellas, we're going to go live. Okay. Alrighty. We are live. Eventually, I should probably mute that, okay. End on time, it's at least on time according to the stream. Welcome to the Linux cast, Josh is talking. I'm currently opening up the stream in Vterm. Vterm. Oh, this is Emacs. Exactly. Glorious. Yeah, everybody, if you're watching in the chat, if we get some yeas or nays on the audio, we will go around and do some audio tests. This is me, Matt talking. Josh. It is Josh here talking, coming to you through Emacs, which is currently running a Discord buffer. And this is... Go ahead, Steve. I don't know what to say to that. And this is Steve coming at you from the land from hell. What are you doing in Nebraska? There's going to be like two guys from Nebraska in chat, being like, what the hell, Matt? Come on. And we're getting some yeas. Excellent, guys. Thank you. All right. So we're going to go ahead and I think we're going to get started so we can make sure we're done by the time Steve loses his power. I'm sorry. We don't blame you for living in Nebraska. Forcing us to be quick is not a problem at all. I'm getting my props together because you guys know I can't do a video live stream without props. Let's see. We've got our random solid state drive that's still on a box, our mini knock to a fan, and our magically gathering deck. Other magically gathering deck. No, no, no, no, no, no. We can't let Josh just freeze past that one. You say main fan and you hold up a 40 millimeter fan. A mini fan. The tiny fan. OK, you said, did you say mini or main? Many. OK, I heard main and I was like, what system is that the main fan? Very well. This is a different 15 or 16 terabyte hard drive than the one I had last week. OK. Mommy, we need to raise that kid to grow up. And, you know, I have a comb for DT's hair. Mine. No, you see DT is not bald. So he has a head full of hair. So I've got a comb for him. That's for tomorrow. I will be on tomorrow. If I remember to wake up in time. Oh, there goes the cast. There goes the cast. I'm just now noticing the animation that we got in the stream. It does look really nice, Matt. He said it was a video file. I call bullshit. It is just a video file that loops over and over again. It was easy for me to do it. I mean, it makes sense. That's a video file. All right. Oh, my. Oh, my God. Brody's video has the line of store walls on his face. Oh, my. Put down the watch later. OK, I think we're going to go ahead and get started. Everybody got their recording device ready to go. Yep. Let me see. Yes, Steve. Yes, K wave is ready. K wave. That's not a K evocation. Command at the ready. Oh, no. Don't we know better than to use to have this like BSD level lip sync problems, right, Tyler? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've never suffered issues with that. Never. OK, actually, you know what, Matt? We never have issues when it comes to live streaming. Am I right? Or am I right? Never, definitely, definitely not. The world is on that one. On that one. All right, I'm going to go ahead and hit record in audacity. You guys can hit record as well. I'm going to record. Just to let you know, when I have issues, it's not with the actual live stream itself. Everything works perfectly fine for the actual live stream. It's everything going on in the live stream that screws up for me. It's seven different things you're doing that you shouldn't be. There's definitely a reason why you can't stand a distro for more than three days. But like, you know, forgetting to compile our route, forgetting to compile KVM with like graphic support. Oh my god. OK. So we're guys ready for the clap that we're going to be absolutely amazing on, right? No, because audacity is not capturing the audio channel for some reason. Let's see. Make sure that's on the correct thing. The rest of us actually tested this. I'm just saying. I worked earlier. Sure, sure. Let's see here. Check with this thing here. Does it work? That's the most true, like, Linux sentence I've ever heard. It's working now. OK, I'm ready for it. Worked five seconds ago. No, it's not. That's audio on Linux. All right, Tyler, lead us off. All right. Three, two, one. Not even fucking close. Oh my god, that was really bad. I will try a second time. Oh, also, Steve, get yours really, really close to your mic. Last week, I couldn't even hear your clap. But I think it's because of Discord, by the way. Yeah, Discord probably. Because I have cancellation, echo cancellation. All right, again. Three, two, one. Not even close. They have to be done in post. No. Downstream in Lebanon, we get it after 260,000 milliseconds. It makes sense for Steve to be behind us. That said, it is currently 3.22 PM in Eastern time zone. Hold on, what does the time have to do with anything? Is the time, does the time explain why we're off sync? That's what time it is. I have a breaker board that they use in movies. I'm thinking about getting that out. You're going to have a channel for every single one. And Pipewire, while it's amazing and has updates, it still does not support the creation of actual virtual sound cables. So you have to use false audio for that. OK, let's go ahead and get started then. Make sure that everything is going good here. I got the chat up and up. Yes, master. We don't we don't use the master term anymore, people consider it weird. We use our fearless leader. It's either a fearless leader or glorious dictator for life. Benevolent overlord, I prefer. Oh, overlord. That's good. OK, yeah, we'll shoot with it. So now, like from now on, if you refer to that anything other than overlord, like you got to flog yourself three times. All right, it's now put in the law. It's definitely that's we should have bylaws. Rule number one is Matt is overlord. When any of us have some spare time, we should like one of us should definitely write up like a law an exceptionally long list of bylaws and then just put it up on the website. Well, we should have had bingo. Well, like we had we've mentioned bingo like for three times of the last year and a half or so. So there's definitely things that happen several times. Let's see here. Bingo board. Josh makes an e-max or Gen 2 joke. That might as well be the center square because that's going to happen in every single episode. OK, now I've got my cough out of the way. Let's go get started. Wait a minute. Hold a second. Make sure I actually did hit record. Just want to make sure. You're not going to do the same mistake as me, huh? Hey, it has happened before. I've completely forgot to hit record. The good news is we're on YouTube, so I could always pull the the playback from there, but that's the last thing because it's so compressed. Anyways, Matt, then Tyler, then Josh, then Steve. Don't remember that order. OK, we lost. Me last. OK. That's because I'm going around in a circle. I'm not judging anybody. I just go in a circle. You go the other way. Good job. I don't know. Just do it this way. Hey, everybody, welcome to the next guest. I'm your host, Matt. And I'm Tyler. And I'm Josh. I'm Steve. Hey, we got it in the right order. We did it. Perfect. We're continuously getting better now that we have four people. It will it will continue to improve. If you're watching the video version of this, you'll notice that the graphics are already getting better. And we do have solo big screen versions of our faces this time. So when someone's talking, I can switch them if I remember. The worst thing that ever happens is when I switched to one of those solo scenes and then forget to change it back. The rest of the scenes just like Josh just sitting there for the rest of the podcast. Anyways, we already did the clap thing. We're not doing claps again. We're not any good at it. Like, I don't know if you guys saw that, but there was like a five second delay between me and Steve. He can't even help it. He's like 10,000 miles away. You've got a whole nother kind of latency is a bitch. Anyways, this is the Linux cast. We talk about Linuxy things, usually Linuxy things. Today, I hear we're talking about BSD. That's not Linux, but whatever. Close enough is what they say. Or and then you picture that girl from Jurassic Park's. Oh, this is Unix. I know this. Glossy, I should be high priest. I think I like that better than overlord. It has a friendlier connotation to it. Yeah. Well, it can have a friendly connotation, but also it brings, you know, visions of sacrificing animals and. All right, anyways, I'm glad. I'm glad you're the kind of high priest that only sacrifices animals. I like that. We did this five, five seconds. And the podcast has already gone off the rails. Are we surprised? Anyway, so this is the podcast. We're going to be talking about many, many things today. So, Tyler, before we do, why don't you tell us what you've been doing on open source and Linuxy things this week? Well, I've switched over to using Wayland and Hyperland and, like, I've switched over, like, you know, some tools, like, like instead of using Rofi, I'm using Tofi or Toofy. And I don't know how they want you to pronounce it, but it's a Wofi. No, no, I'm not using Wofi anymore because it's Tofi. Yeah, there's Tofi and like then there's Wofi, too. Wofi causes issues with, like, it the animations work properly on your main display, but on every other display, it doesn't work. Why don't you just use Rofi? Rofi works with Wayland. You have to get a Rofi patch for Wayland. Yeah, like, there's a fork of Rofi that includes the patch, but there's like Mainland or Mainline Rofi does not support Wayland. Hey, Matt, you're capturing the cursor. Oh, damn it. I'll fix it later. Really big, too. Hey. Oh, my God, that's like Brody's mouse. So the last time I was watching one of his, it was. Yeah, I need to go fix that. Well, you guys continue. So you're using Hyperland, did you choose it for the animations? Mainly just like the animations were a big part of it because they're really not like they are exceptionally nice. But really, in all honesty, what sold me on Hyperland was the documentation. I know in the past, again, like if you don't know this about Hyperland, like it's a Wayland window manager that is very, very much early in development. I'm pretty, as far as I know, I talk with the developer and I don't think he's even been working on it for like, he's closing in on a year, but he's not there yet. And the wiki, a lot of people have complained about it in the past, like fairly, because there's been issues with it. But he's very quick on fit. Like he takes recommendations and criticisms to heart pretty fast. I think Brody had a lot of complaints when it came to the wiki when he did a video on Hyperland. And the developer told me that within two weeks, everything that he had complained about had been fixed on the wiki. It's really good. It's phenomenal. I would agree he's closing in on nine months. OK, since you said and he's doing it all on his own and he surpassed what Wayland are doing. There's a lot of patches that fixed a lot of things that Wayland just shrug off and ignore. You know, one of his biggest complaints is like he fixes up issues with Wayland and they won't accept his fixes. So and well, their loss, his game. Exactly. Well, I mean, his his documentation for Hyperland does a better job of telling someone how to set up from scratch Wayland, like on their system. And even for Nvidia users, it does a better job than any other Wayland compositor I've seen, like their their documentation is phenomenal. So like that's pretty much why why I chose to use it. And I'm sticking with it just because the configuration is I mean, it's probably as about as simple as you could possibly get with a like as many features and stuff that's packed into it. It's not slow either. It's pretty fast, especially if you don't want to use all the fancy animations and stuff, it's going to be plenty fast for you. And the best part and the best part of it is you can randomize the animations, the scripting, of course. You can randomize the animations and the Nvidia patch is not by him because he doesn't own an Nvidia card. What he said was I cannot confirm nor deny if it works. It's up to the user to test and confirm on their on their own machine. But the things he's doing via keeping the animation smooth, consistent without having anything break. And he's got upstream patches to to Wayland for electron apps, specifically electron apps, because as we all know, electron apps on on Wayland are not so great. So he's got flags and everything to fix all that. And it's very well documented on his wiki. It's very easy to find. And all in all, he's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant developer for 20 20 year old. He is doing better than Wayland, which is a corporation or what you call it, money, money ties, Wayland is maintained by free desktop.org, which pays a team of developers primarily sponsored through corporations like Red Hat corporations. Yeah. And Valve, especially, they're they're starting to pay people to to work on HDR on porting HDR to Linux on Wayland, whereas he's doing all the work on his own without anything asking for anything. So when he told me that he was 20 years, I mean, he's five years younger than I am. He's done way more, like way more, because Hyperland also isn't where he started with trying to make a window manager. He started with Hyper, which is an XORG, like implementation of Hyperland. And it's both, I mean, he's not working anymore on Hyper, obviously, because, you know, Hyperland is not like, you don't just you don't just make a window manager like Hyperland and like you're finished, like Wayland's constantly evolving. And you're going to have to like there's just a lot of work that goes into that. And I'm very impressed with how far he's come with a project. It's very nice. All right, Josh, what have you been up to this week? Well, you see, I've been doing my usual tinkering here. And, you know, I intentionally intentionally this time blew up another Gen 2 installation just for the sake of trying out the latest and greatest of KD Plasma 5.28, which I'm coming to you now through because I have installed OpenManDriva's Cooker Edition, which is basically their version of Fedora's Ride or, you know, enabling the testing repositories on Arch Linux or, you know, running Debian Unstable. Generally not a good idea. But the podcast for this, guys. Yes, I am recording the podcast for this today. And, you know, like the most reliable way I can launch a window right now is through Emacs, not true, actually, but I'm just doing it for fun of it. Piss us them users off. OK, Steve, what have you been up to this week? I've been tinkering with Next Cloud. I have spun up my own instance of Next Cloud on the node using a one of you guys, your guys is, I don't know, maybe you, maybe somebody else's one hundred dollars, sixty day, whatever, free thing. And I'm enjoying it. I was able to finally, finally move away from Google and Apple, moving all my private images, because back in the day I was when I was in my younger days as they put it, I used to capture screen for my passwords and save them as images. Oh, Lord. That was a good idea. I used to take screenshots of emails. Well, I did say in my younger days, I was not knowledgeable enough. And I used to grab screenshots of my secret question, my secret questions and their answers and put them as pictures on my Google photos. Didn't know better, but now they're on my Next Cloud instance and the machine is turned off unless I need it. I turn it back on when I need it, turn it back on. That's what I like. So, yeah, that's what I've been tinkering with. And I started something that ended up being something and it's a good thing. And now we're generating an image called Hype Zero. That was a very... You have to say it, Josh, didn't you? Very specific thing that you said there at the end. All right, so I, too, was messing around with Next Cloud yesterday. We did not collaborate on that until the end. So, unlike you, I decided to host it locally in a VM on my computer, which was an entertaining experience to say the least, because DNS does not like that at all, it turns out. But it did end up actually working just fine. I just could not get, like, let's encrypt to work because of reasons. So anyways, that was that was really fun. I've also played around a little bit with getting jellyfin. I still have some work to do on that. Josh is helping me with that. And oh, and I've been learning. I've been so for years. So first, when I started virtual doing virtual machines, I'd use virtual box like everybody starts out with. And that became to mainstream, I guess. So I decided to use VertManager and now I decided yesterday, I decided to go out. I'm going to learn how to create VMs in the terminal. And so I learned, yeah, I learned how to do that. And that was an entertaining experience. So I'm on a learning experience, I'm on a learning extravaganza. All right. So that's the first section. So let's go ahead and move on to our first link of the week. So we do news. That's what we basically do on the show now. And the first link comes to us from me. So the first news link is that the EA games have now been more successfully ported to. The Steam Deck by Valve, not by EA, but by Valve. And they now have a significant. Oh, I got to interject here. I don't think that's a distinction you'll ever have to make here. I hear you're helping out. One day. Honestly, it's still a shock to me that EA is actually in the Steam Store because they were like the first with their own store. Why are you showing some 76 out? He showed off his apple. So I got to counter him. Neither of you were on camera. That was completely pointless. And anyways, there's a significant list of games that come from EA that are now marked as playable on the Steam Deck, including Battlefield 4 three different Madden games, Mass Effect, Need for Speed, several Need for Speeds, Plants vs. Zombies, which I'm like. Why would that even? Plants vs. Zombies? Like, remember when the zombies actually uses EA's anti-cheat Mac implementation for one reason I don't know. But, you know, it uses it. Yeah, I didn't even know that was still a thing. I was like, hey, let's have some angry birds on there. Remember, Flappy Bird. And anyway, so there's a significant amount of EA games that are now marked as playable on the Steam Deck. I wonder, I don't know if any of these games are included in that EA pass that you can get through Steam. But if they are included, that EA pass maybe now is actually worthwhile. Because a year ago, you could buy that EA pass and download like Sims, the Sims games and the old Sim cities and stuff like that. And not one of them would run very well on Linux. So hopefully now this is much better. So that is the first news link. Still don't have a Steam Deck. One day, man. One day. I'm waiting for the second one. I'll just wait till the second one. By the way, guys. Hopefully there's a big difference between them. Like, hopefully there's a big enough difference that waiting for the second edition like really is worth it. Like, there's a noticeable performance improvement. I've thought about getting... There'll be Ryzen 6 with the latest generation APU using DDR5, using Sodom 5, using probably the same NVMe drive and the same wireless chip set. And then maybe an OLED screen. Maybe. I really hope with the new edition of the Steam Deck, they switch over to using regular sized NVMe drives that like, I don't know, the entire freaking consumer market buys. 2280s. Yeah. So the main reason why they are not using 2280s is simply because the Steam Deck is physically too small. Yes, I know. I know. I know. But they could do it. They could. I know they can. Like, come on, they got talented engineers. They can do it. For those of you who are watching the chat, yes, I know that every once in a while you can see the cursor. I apologize for that. I can't fix it until afterwards because it was going to reset the transforms and I'm not doing that because that would just sound like a horror story waiting to happen. So I'll fix that next week. We're still we're professionals. We're professionals. This is why you need the hire a dedicated producer for us. Yeah, I'll get right on that. Yeah. I'm sure that'll be cheap. Yeah. Yeah. I'll assert everything. That's all Lord. Yes. OK, Tyler, your first think of the week. Mine is there's a new release of Libre Office. It's seven point four point five. And it's kind of a big update just because there was a pretty big bug that was it would cause a crash. And well, it affected. I don't know. Like, they don't actually mention a number of how many users that it actually affected. But it is a really large portion because the only reason I know that it's definitely a bug is one of my good friends who actually tried out hyperland. He's got an Nvidia card. And so he got all that running and he normally uses Libre Office and he called me and I was like totally prepared to hear like him having complete issues because we all know getting Wayland and Nvidia to work together is not simple. So I was totally expecting to hear complaints about that. And the first thing he said is and Libre Office is pissing me off. He's got like he had like three different projects he had to finish and it just kept crashing on him. So this fixes that. So Libre Office is trying to, you know, let people know like you should if you're having issues, please God update. But as far as I know, the crash, like this is a big deal. As far as I know, this bug does not affect the enterprise additional Libre Office. It only affects the community addition. So if you're a big company or for whatever reason, you have the enterprise version, this probably is not relevant for you. But, you know, still a big deal. Jake, thanks for the super check. He says, put hyper on my laptop with Ryzen 30, fifty nine hundred and thirty three eighty. That's where you ran into problems. It's Nvidia. It runs rough looking for updates and optimization. It's going to be the Nvidia card that's causing you problems there. But sadly, thanks for the super chat. So, yeah, the thing about this whole Libre Office thing was that depending on where you saw this story, the biggest thing was either this bug that you're talking about, Tyler, or the fact that they have brand new colorful icons. What it looks like is that this only affects Libre Office versions 7.4.5 or some or no seven. So if you're running the latest release, which is before this was 7.4.4, then this bug affected you. But if you're running an older version, like you have an update in a while, like or you're just running like some like Debian, you know, you're running Ubuntu. Yeah, yeah, Ubuntu, Debian, you know, like you, this probably won't affect you and you won't have any issues. But this is a this is a crash that affects like almost everyone using rolling release distros. So but then again, if you're rolling, if you're running a rolling release distro, then this news is probably not relevant because you've probably already updated anyway. So like, yeah, I would have known it's segfalls for me. It's because you can't run Libre Office 3 Max or can you? I could, but you know, why would I want to run Libre Office 3 Max? I don't know what you what you what you guys are on about. I'm using Microsoft Office on Linux. What is wrong with you? Why are you even a Linux user? Just go back to Windows where you came from. And I'm using Photoshop on Linux. So wait, hold on. How do you do that? Because I wait. Oh, yeah, that's right. Because it's an older version of Photoshop is being ran through wine. Yes. Oh, Steve. What are we doing? You know, we had this conversation when it was just Tyler and I. We had one person who constantly decided he was going to stop using Linux and go back to random proprietary pieces of garbage, Windows and Mac OS. Therefore, I mean, he was so Mac OS, he bought every Mac product ever there for like two and a half weeks. Not by every product. But yes, we just we just moved from that to. Well, at least I use it on Linux. Yeah, we use it. I'm using it on Linux, so I'm not a Windows user. So what I know is what he's saying is it could be worse. All right, Josh, you're next. I think so. All right. What's your first one? I'm listed next in the notes. OK, but you've also got contact information to do. No, that's after the first. We go wrong one time. Oh, it's after the first round. OK. Well, anyways, so Piper has seen a new release, you know, just a minor version point that, you know, gives you some really wonderful things, especially if like you're in it. If you if you actually make music using Linux and PipeWire, you can actually use your Bluetooth MIDI MIDI controllers with PipeWire now, natively, not not having to go through like the pulse or jack compatibility layers. It works directly. There's also been some latency improvements with DaVinci Resolve. And then there's some there's some compression optimizations as well for the audio as well as some AV AVX code improvements that, you know, make us like it actually works. And then there's like several other things, too. But like, as usual, whenever I have I have a news article is there's oh, it's better just to click the link. Why do we even do the podcast? Let's just put the links out in a newsletter. Yeah. And of course, the the newsletter will be put together in an org document, so it can only be opened in Emacs. Well, or, you know, you can just put that org document up on GitLab and GitLab will render just like a markdown file. I'm just the developers for GitLab use Emacs. Of course, they don't care. Good for them. Every time there's a PipeWire update, it scares me. Because every time an update comes through for PipeWire, it gets it breaks something because it's I mean, just it always does. There's there's no time or example where a major PipeWire update has come down that hasn't broke something. So yeah. Well, you know, the wonderful thing about this PipeWire release is that unless you're like your musician, you don't really have a need to update, which even then, you know, it's in the arch testing repository as well as Gen Two's on stable branch, which is the branch that apparently everybody on Gen Two runs anyway. But, you know, if you're going to be if you're going to be compiling this and using on yourself, you have to make sure that the blue that the MIDI support in the blues Damon is actually disabled as well. Blues being the kernel driver for Bluetooth. Steve, you were saying something? Yeah, I was going to say, as we saw today with me. Why are just I mean, I've got to change my tune here because like I always had issues with PipeWire, but running Wayland and PipeWire now, and it's working just fine. I mean, granted, I'm having that's the thing with PipeWire is it runs fine until it doesn't. Exactly. Exactly. But it's I mean, obviously, we had the same problems with PipeWire or not PipeWire, Paul's audio. Yeah, Paul's audio was worse when when districts were making a switch to it. But, you know, it was way better than than managing like OSS or also. Yeah. Well, plus there were a lot fewer people using Linux back then. So finding the books was probably harder. All right, Steve, your first link of the week. My first link is thanks to you for pointing it out. Last night is about bit warden users at risk after potential phishing scam discovered and bit warden being my chosen password manager, except I am not one of those dum-dums out there who saves anything online. I saved them on my Raspberry Pi offline. But anyway, the gist of it is some people released an ad, a Google ad, which redirects to bitwarden-login.com instead of the actual web page of Bitwarden, which mimics exactly pixel for pixel, the official website of Bitwarden. So on Reddit, for example, there were some users who advanced users who were supposed to notice the difference by looking at the URL. But the website was such a good clone that they couldn't tell the difference at first glance. You know, just get to pull down the entirety of the website, then spin it up on your own web server and then, you know, point to the domain that you purchased to it. It's actually pretty easy to do, surprisingly. Well, OK, we can talk about that or we can talk about the fact that Google makes their ads so much of a blend-in thing where you can't tell it between an ad and an actual link. If they just made ads like flashing colors or something, so you knew it was an advertisement, you would know not to click on it. Or, honestly, this is just an ad. I put the blame for this entire thing on Google, actually, because Google should do a better job of actually policing their advertisements. Yes, definitely. There is no reason why Google allowed this advertisement to actually be purchased and displayed to end users. This should have gone through some form of an auditing system prior to that. It's not an issue of Bitwardens, like at all. This isn't a Bitwarden problem. And the URL is so easy to spot. Like it says appbitwarden.com. Like, excuse me, when you hover the mouse over the ad, it shows appbitwarden.com. Doesn't that just sound fishy? But Steve, does that work for your mom? Ah, good point. Well, no, but it should work for... Google makes you... It's not for the experts, yes. It literally makes... Google makes you verify so many things when you decide you're going to put ads on their system. Or if you're going to serve ads on your website or whatever, you have to have verification that you can do all that stuff, right? If you're going to post ads, you have to put verification on your website through a code snippet, right? There's no reason why they can't have something like that, like say, hey, if you want to run an ad, you have to have some kind of verification, right? There should be some kind of system where they verify who you are and if you're legitimately advertising the thing that you actually own. Now, I'm sure it's more complicated than what I make out to be. No, no, here's my beef with Google. My beef with Google is to register for Google ads on your website to raise a few pennies. They send you on a rollercoaster of a verification system. They don't do that for placing ads on their website. What kind of backwards kind of management is that? Well, one pays out money, one gives them money. That's really what it is. And Google being a US company, of course, they're going to need everything that it takes to send you a payment, which, you know, that's not necessarily Google's fault. That's actually that's actually the US financial system. Well, financial and legal system, like that's why they need so much information is because they have to report that to you to the US tax authorities. So so the Google ad system is now being used for malicious purposes. Now, it's it's one of these like that for years, actually. I was about to say, I was like, this is not a new thing. This is just getting progressively worse. It's called clickjacking. It it has a name. This is a this is an issue that's existed since like the dawn of the Internet. Well, dawn of ad, like being able to serve ads on search engines. Well, like not even just ads, you know, it used to be that people would just like make a website with like a similar enough domain name. And what we did was make it way too easy to get a domain name. Now, anybody in there rather can get whatever domain name they want. And it's not just like dot com. Like there was at a point where it was really hard to get a domain like a unique domain name because they were all taken now. If you want, like, you know, random X, Y, Z or whatever. I mean, there's a whole bunch of top level domains now that you can come up with. And a lot of them are very, very similar to, you know, the actual domain names. Like whoever decided that dot co and dot com should exist side by side is just I mean, that person should not have had anything to do with the Internet whatsoever. Because they're way, way, way too similar. And now we have domain names like dot wakey, wakey dot Pondo dot whatever. All the dots you can imagine. It's I want to play on a triple X domain. Oh, my God, just because it was two dollars. Linux dot sex is actually available. I'm just putting that out for everybody wants to actually go get it. So now so now it's not ask me how I know. So now it's much easier to get domain names so you can just put your name dot your family name and that's your domain name. Well, it's it's getting easier and easier and cheaper and cheaper for anyone. Anyone with pennies can can pay for a domain name. I mean, I think that big problem when it comes to domain says they've gotten so cheap now that like if you want to do something malicious, there's not really a barrier to entry anymore. Any 12 year old with an allowance can go on and get a domain name and try to pump out a virus or whatever. Like look at look at Arco Linux. Just look at Arco Linux. How many how many websites does he have? He has tried to parry down, but it was at one point like seven. His peak was actually 37 different web pages. Get out of here. Yeah, yeah, that's it. It used to be a dedicated web page for every single ISO. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still bad. It's still bad. Abundance, the abundance of websites. I love Arco, but his website is still bad to this day. It's still a terrible user experience trying to find anything on that website, too, and to figure out which ISO you're supposed to download. It's just too many, but whatever. If I weren't if I weren't if I weren't an Arco user and experience with Arco with zero Linux starting off as an Arco spinoff, I wouldn't have found anything on on the website. It's just bad. Perfect proof that a good, good distro can have a bad website. But Arco is not the only one. It's just not the only one. Debbie and Endeavor has a bad website. Yeah. All right. Turns out you can make a good you can make a you can make a distro. Doesn't mean you can make a website. All right. Moving on to the contact information. Um, just getting practiced with this. So I'm probably going to screw it up. Just pointing that out last week. I didn't even know how to spell Steve's handle. Read it out loud. I'm reading. I don't know how to do any of that nonsense. All right. You can find all of our information at the website. The Linuxcast.org, which is where you'll find previous episodes all the way back to season one, if you want to find them. Along with blog posts that I've released weekly. So if you want to read some of my pondering, you can do so there at the Linuxcast.org. You can support me on Patreon, a page on dot com slash Linuxcast and subscribe to the channel, YouTube dot com slash Linuxcast. Tyler, you know what's surprising? Tyler actually remembers how to use YouTube. Like there have been streams this week. It's it's been shocking on three of them. And actually like Linux based streams. It's really weird. It's like Tyler, he's been replaced by a pod person. Anyways, you can subscribe to Tyler on YouTube at youtube.com slash Zeno G. He also has a Discord server. You can find that link on the contact page of our website. Josh has a website as well. His he's at tenleyj.com slash stalker where you can find all of his contact information. Fantastic URL, by the way. It is the best. Steve has many different places you can find him. Probably the primary one that he wants me to pimp is youtube.com slash zero Linux or at zero Linux, that's zero with an X, not a Z. I called it a Z last week because apparently Z and X are exactly the same letter in my head. I don't know why he also has a website and a distro that he likes to to tinker on from time to time. You might have heard heard of it. It's zero Linux. You can definitely check it out. And you can find all of these links if you don't want to actually type them in into the URL bar like a caveman in either the video description, the podcast description or on the website at thelinuxcast.org slash contact. Not bad, man. Not bad at all. All right. Not bad. You actually did it. Yeah, I think it helps to remind you earlier. I should. Yeah. Well, no, it helps that some douchebag named Josh didn't actually move the damn thing out of the dock. Move it to the end. I don't know why you possibly want to do that. And I want to just for you. Don't don't do that. I will I will will come to Iowa and murder you. And I want to point out also that Tyler's last stream, he was sleep streaming. Yes, I was so sleep deprived while I was three. It was the best. So when he installed Linux from scratch, there was a point where he was streaming and sleeping at the same time. Yes. And it was still compiling probably, too. It was. I'm surprised it's not still compiling right now. OK, moving on to my last link, the Linux Foundation, always good news when you start off with the Linux Foundation, has decided that they were really, they really, really, really want to get in on the metaverse, because that just sounds like a fantastic idea. Now, I have been labeled a critic of the metaverse and rightfully so, because I'm a critic of the metaverse. I think it's the dumbest thing since crypto. Honestly, I think crypto actually has some uses. The metaverse has zero use whatsoever, none whatsoever, at least that I've seen right now. Now, I'm not saying VR is useless. I've never claimed that VR is useless. VR is fantastic for gaming, I'm sure, and will continue to be and get better over time, especially if Valve ever decides that they're going to come out with a second version of theirs. Hello, Valve, a second version, maybe sometime before Half-Life 3. Anyway, sorry. Maybe one that competes with the worst company out there, Facebook. That would be great. It would be phenomenal. Something like it's been it's been like five years. We need an index, too. Yeah, it needs to happen. Like, I understand you guys are working. They're a very small company. All they have to do, all they have to do for the index for it to be a perfect device, you know, make the headset a little bit lighter and, you know, make make the HDMI connector for the headset better, because everything else about it is amazingly great. And it can go on. It can no longer be a thousand dollars. Drop the price. Definitely drop the price. Yeah, they have some work to do there. But like I said, they're very small companies. So the fact that they can only focus on one thing at a time. Not that surprising. OK, so anyways, back to the Linux Foundation in there. They decided to launch the Open Metaverse Foundation. I don't like they have to be in cahoots with Mozilla on this, because it just sounds like something that Mozilla is going to try to do. But anyways, their focus is to try to make sure that the Metaverse, which is going to be created, whether we like it or not, at least has represented representation when it comes to free and open source software through the Open Metaverse Foundation. And there have been many. It says your many thought leading organizations and open source communities have joined as founding members to the support the effort to bring this vision to life, including Chain Hub Foundation, Cloud Native Computing Foundation, Future Level, GenXP, something I can't pronounce, Hyperledger Foundation. These are all names, and this is not a single one of them anybody has ever heard of. You guys want to know how bad this group is? I tried to go to their website and you block origin completely blocked it. Let's be honest, like we're going to look back at this and this is going to be something we clown on for years. Yeah, it is. Look, like let's break down the Metaverse and be real about it. The Metaverse is exactly the same as Gopher. Like Gopher, it's like it had potential. It's it's dead. It never lived as it should have. Like, sure, it had users, but it never became mainstream. And the whole idea of it was killed off by better tech. And that's exactly what the Metaverse is. Like the Metaverse is an idea of taking gaming as a whole and cramming it into one freaking place, which is stupid. Like it's fundamentally stupid. You will never have competing companies that make games like Game Studios or Publishers get in bed with like Nintendo is never going to be fine with EA using their their art, their characters, their IPs. It will never happen. And it's a dumb idea in the first place. Nintendo will suit anybody. Who uses their IP. I mean, Nintendo sues people for posting let's plays on YouTube. Exactly. Anyways, the big the biggest advantage that, you know, like a group like this will actually have is standard standardization for VR, which that is actually a bit of a problem right now. That is. But let's do you actually think they're going to do that? Well, they might establish like a standard for like how the development works specifically through the Linux kernel and GPU drivers there. But after that, there's probably not going to be too much depending on like how interconnected these companies are with like other companies, you know, like Apple, Valve and Microsoft. Because, you know, the those three companies are also really invested in VR. Valve, Valve, well, you know, they're not shipping a physical product. They're still working on like the drivers for the index and everything to there. So well, but what was missed is a news article that is related to that one where Valve was shipping VR headsets to train military people. Yeah, we're not. When nobody's claiming that VR doesn't have its uses outside, even outside of gaming, I'm sure that it does. There's there there are enterprise uses. There are there's training purposes. But the metaverse as it's currently instituted and seems like its main thing is, is to make virtual meetings more interesting. That seems to be the way Facebook is is or meta, excuse me, has decided they're going to frame it. And yeah, I mean, the tech just. I mean, the metaverse as billed by Mark Zuckerberg is not the metaverse I want. I don't want I don't I don't want a metaverse. I mean, has any of you has any of you watched the gamer with the guy from this is part of now? It's exactly what's happening with metaverse. It's the metaverse before it became the metaverse. Uh, it's it's people are avatars side of games. I mean, it's like, OK, let's take the matrix. And it's just me to be the matrix. So like, but the thing of the thing about the whole metaverse thing is is that I could see myself changing my mind about it like five years on road, but it would have to have somebody come out with a use case that is actually useful. And I haven't seen that yet. I haven't seen anybody postulate anything that can be useful, anything about the so-called metaverse. Now, like I said before, that doesn't mean that that has nothing to do with the usefulness of VR. VR is good for gaming. VR is good for training. And once and as the technology continues to be miniaturized so that it's smaller and lighter and cheaper, game gaming will be transformed by VR. I think we're all pretty much in agreement. It could have an interesting use case for like, you know, like cat work, you know, just being able to see a more real life example. Yes, but you're still talking like everything that we're talking about here is is advantages or like, you know, selling points for VR. There is no selling point for like, all right. If you take the idea of a metaverse and actually think about think about it for a second, it's the dumbest idea ever because for the metaverse to be a thing, all gaming or all VR stuff has to happen in one place because just for example, let's say Facebook has a metaverse, Valve has a metaverse, EA has a metaverse. At that point, what you're saying is Facebook has a game and all the other types of games. Like that's it. Well, there's a solution to this. It's called Activity Bub. Well, yeah, OK, they're all going to use that. Like it's the metaverse is a term that means absolutely nothing. Well, they're trying to gamify real life interactions by making them virtual reality. So things like, you know, meetings and market, you know, going to the market and shopping and touching and trying out products and all this stuff, they want to put all that stuff, like real life stuff that you could do in real life in the virtual sphere. Right. And I don't care how close the technology is going to get. You can't simulate many things that you can only do in real life. And even if you could, what would be the purpose of it? Just go do it in real life. Like, yeah, I will argue because there is definitely a purpose. Oh, good. There is there is I keep laughing because the more we talk about this, the more demolition man and the love making scene becomes a reality. Well, there is a point for going like for doing all of this virtually and having it where like, let's say your wheelchair bound, like now you don't have to go out into the city and like, you know, actually go to shop and do stuff. Like if you if you want to get something, you're looking at buying something, you can sit in a chair and virtually walk around the store. That's just another benefit of VR, though. That's has nothing to do with my point. Everything that is about the metaverse that's good. We're talking about VR in general, we're not talking about the metaverse. Metaverse is stupid. Like it's a term that means nothing and it will never mean anything because it literally for the metaverse to exist, you have to take IP law, which like whether you think IP law should be a thing or not, it doesn't matter. It's not going to disappear. Well, OK, so the metaverse is Zuckerberg capitalizing on VR. Well, honestly, Facebook, Facebook is trying to change their business model, which I don't necessarily blame for because who's making a Facebook account these days? Facebook has enough Facebook has hit peak users. So it's like it's nice that, you know, they're they're investing in VR. It's just that they're tying it up a little bit too close, close to home there. All they had that's really the all they had to do was make it good for gaming, make it good for gaming, make it cheap, you know, and get there before Apple. Those are the three things you had to do. You know, Google Cardboard was was a great example that you can make VR cheap. Well, yes, you have to have it also has to be good. OK, like that's the thing is like all technology starts off was really expensive, then gets miniaturized and cheaper. That's the way of most all things, right? Yeah, but the if they made it cheaper, but it's still that's expensive. Think about the broken TVs because they had to run into something in the game and they ended up running into their TVs, their 65 plasma TV or whatever. Now it cost them double triple the price, if not ten times the price. Like that's why you want on TV way up high. That way you can't hit it. Well, that's not even the point. I gave my I gave my VR headset like I've got the Oculus like Quest 2 or whatever. I gave that to like one of my buddies, nine year olds, and he was playing with it, got scared, freaked out and ran into drywall and the headset busted into in the drywall. The head test don't work. So things like that happened with the Wii, OK? And like so this is not an exclusive VR. People are like they had that little rest strap for reason on the Wii because, you know, like if you were playing that bowling game, for example, it's like you sit there and chuck it right into the TV. It happened to a lot of people, even with the wrist strap, because they have like really small wrist or whatever. And it just flies right off. Well, you know, the rest, that's why they introduced the Gen 2 wrist strap. This was the actual thing that, you know, had that adjustable strip on it. Yes, I know. Yeah. OK, so just really quickly, the last point I want to make on this open Metaverse Foundation thing is those companies that are supporting the Metaverse is like, could you possibly have found a list of people to brag about that nobody has ever heard of before? I mean, like there's no guarantee that they're all just shell companies. Like there's there's there's nothing. I mean, it would have this would have been a huge announcement whether we like the Metaverse or not. If Meta, like a Facebook had been a part of it, like if that had been part of the announcement, then you aren't fine. You didn't convince me that the Metaverse is a real thing, but you would have convinced me that the Metaverse Foundation is a real thing. This, I think they just made up a whole bunch of random. There are two companies there that I actually recognize. Chain Hub is actually the group behind Grubhub. As to why they're in the Metaverse, I don't know. But the Open Voice Network, I actually know what they are. And there are the people that have developed the SIP protocol that all your IP phones use. And the random things that Josh knows. All right, Tyler, your last blink. Yeah, mine is so wine eight is kind of a big deal. So like you'll be able to run more more apps like Windows apps. And of course, dogs are going crazy upstairs. But good looking. That's going to show up on the audio recording 100%. Definitely. But anyway, so the biggest change in wine eight is that you'll be able to have modules and the modules will compile into an executable format. So you'll actually be able to like, you know, have more compatibility. And like it's especially compatibility with stuff with copy protection. Windows debuggers and other apps and games that have frequent issues on wine. So and also it'll it'll make it to where like running wine on other Unix operating systems will be more reliable. So like stuff like ARM, you'll be able to be able to run like, you know, X86 apps on ARM without a, you know, extra compatibility layer on top of it. So there's big changes. It's still very much in the beginning phases. So the next development or during this development phase, a lot of the there's a lot of like direct calls that probably aren't going to work for for some outs, but they're going to be fixing it up during this during this development phase. So fingers crossed, one's going to like improve a lot of shit for like compatibility and moving and like being able to move over to ARM. With this making wine wine modules actually portable rather than, you know, moving entire wine prefix and distributing that there's there's actually some games that are actually packaged as Docker containers just for compatibility. Big, probably the most popular one that I know would be like magic to gathering online. There's an actual Docker container you can actually use to run that game because, you know, setting up wine is actually a bit of a pain in the ass for that one, to be honest with you. But, you know, like this could set up set up like some games to actually be shipped as rather than Docker containers, but like app images or flat packs. True, that's actually a pretty good interesting case. Yeah, and. Isn't that the way that games or Windows games are bundled for Mac? So yeah, as containers, as windows wine containers with executable of the game and all the game files, all as a single. Yeah, Mac OS binaries are basically just like another form of like what an app image is. And like, for example, the latest return to Monkey Island. It's downloadable for the Mac, but when you and that's what I love about Mac OS and this Tyler can back me up on this one. You right click show package contents and you can roam free within the container and when you I roam free into the return to to to to Monkey Island, I discovered it was a Windows game bundled as a Mac OS container. So things like development work on porting the game. That's for sure. Yeah, that's what they do with a lot of games on Mac OS. So what you're trying to say is that gaming on Linux's future is app images. It's it's a potential. So let's not say that because we don't want to anger our boss. Well, there goes distributed through Steam. How else would you expect them to be ported? I mean, let's be honest. Yeah, it's just like, like I think I said it last week, it's just like, you know, the app image works makes perfect sense for like the people that just want to sell a downloadable binary. Yeah, like what I do, what I do today to play games. Most of my games I grab them for cheap for from GOG, because all I do is run the installer and the game runs. I have not encountered a single game save cyberpunk 2077 to run on Linux. That's now I understand why they stopped working on Linux ports of their game of the games they they sell, because they simply work with wine on on Linux. I haven't encountered a single one. I even run Duke Nukem Duke Nukem 3D on Linux by running the installer installing it and running the executable. I don't need to do anything special. I don't need to configure the prefix. I don't need to do anything. It just runs. So that's why now I no longer buy games on Steam as much as I do on GOG, because on GOG the games are more reliable than the ones on Steam. But be careful on GOG. They have a limited amount of triple A titles. Mostly it's curated old games. Yeah, it's fine. Old games are fun, too. That's a big problem with GOG. Literally says old right in the tunnel. Yeah, good old games. But yeah, but but they created cyberpunk 2077 and they created GOG is CD project red. So the creators of the witch the witcher and so in that case, I'm surprised that the website even got launched at all. All right, Tyler, your last link. Oh, no, I just did mine. Oh, I'm sorry, Josh. You're next. I apologize. Free BSD has begun their reports for the last quarter of 2022. And one of the things that they said here is that they're still compiling numbers. However, and this I'm going to quit directly here from the article. Unfortunately, we did not meet our fundraising goal, which reinforced our need to have somebody focus on encouraging organizations to invest in free BSD. We we will bring somebody on board soon to help with that effort. That's literally what it said. And I don't know who wrote the article, but you know, you can you can read the status report. It's the status report 2022. It's 2022, 10, 22, 22, 12. I don't understand that URL, but whatever. But that this is just like a quarterly report that they push on every now and then. And you know, the fact that free BSD is like it's actually the largest free the BSD based distribution. And it it's kind of sad to see that they didn't even hit like a fundraising goal, which I think it was only something like two million dollars. Technically, Mac OS is the largest BSD. Mac OS is even BSD based. Isn't it based on BSD? It was initialized on BSD. However, they have since moved away from all the BSD code. I didn't know that. I just thought it was based on BSD. There is no BSD license code in Mac OS anymore. But it's it's actually well, apparently it's a Lorenzo Salvador is the one that wrote the article. But it's it's sad to see that because, you know, it it's actually a pretty big project. And, you know, other projects downstream of like a PF sense and even Trunas have a very loyal user base in like the BSD land. What what's the BSD that's most popular in servers? Free BSD. Then why are companies paying for this? Because I don't have to. Yeah, they they literally don't have to. Well, it'll be very, very surprised when it goes away. Yeah, it is it is the magic of that MIT license. And there's a reason why there's a reason why we don't like the MIT license as much as we like the GPL. Sean says, oh, free BSD. I know Matt loves free BSD. I don't have anything against BSD or free BSD or open BSD. I've honestly never tried them. I will say this, that I'm a Linux fanboy and it's not Linux. The first thing I ever tried was free BSD because a very old friend of mine back like 15 years ago, he was like, try free BSD. Why do you want to try Linux? Try free BSD. It's good. I installed it. I felt like Alice falling through down a hole. Well, it's like way back in the day, you know, back in my day of being a computer user, Intel came out with this wonderful new processor skew called the Core 2 architecture, of which free BSD had support for it first before even Linux or Windows did. So there was a short time where I actually used free BSD. Class for me, it lasted one day, but well, then you and Josh probably had the same in common because I doubt he used it for a day, too. Given his track record with distros, I'm just saying. I think that is the last three months, actually. Really? Yeah, because back then I actually just didn't do distro hop up after free BSD. I stuck on Debian up until like two years ago. I use Debian stable. Well, that's because you got to install and probably realize that if you want to install it, you'd never be able to find the ISO again. Probably. All right. Steve, finish this out, please, with your last. All right. My last link is a bit of news about a brand new distro called BlendOS. Will it blend? Let's see. From the maintainer of Bonto Unity, that kid, that kid, created an arch-based distro which allows you to install arch Linux packages, AUR packages, DNF, Debian packages. To interject for a moment here. He's cheating. Yes. He's using distro box, isn't he? Yeah, it's using distro box. It's part of what I was going to say because the article doesn't mention that, but I posted also a link to a video. Yeah, it does. It does. I'll look it right at it. Which are included in highlighted links. Highlighted link using distro box pod, man. Yeah, yeah, that I know, but I'm not talking about that. I also included a link by Nikolo that talks about all that. But anyway, basically- Was that a video this morning about somebody not giving credit? Was that this thing? Yeah, the big complaint about it is that he's using all these other package managers, but he's not saying that, he's pulling in the package manager from Ubuntu or Debian or like he's not giving any credit status to, like we're all the upstream code for the software that he's using is from- Yeah, he replaced- You're telling me that there's a kid who forgot to do some stuff. Yeah, a 13-year-old kid forgot to give credit where credit was due. Yeah. He says he forgot, but how can you forget by replacing, not forgetting, what happened was he replaced every mention of the actual creator of the multi-package thing, the disk box, not the disk robot. What we're saying is that he didn't do regex quite right. That was just a search and replace that he just missed. Yeah, he says, I mistakenly did not replace your name with mine. 13 years old. 13. Yeah. I was saying, I think we could give him a pass. I don't think he had any malicious intent. Also, if he's using apt, I'm pretty sure most people are gonna look at that and like, oh, I'm pretty sure this guy didn't do that. I know where apt comes from. Yeah, we're not talking about apt, the blend engine that he's using that can install all these together in a single command. This thing comes from a different origin and Nicolo goes in detail in his video about what it is. It's a fork over fork over fork, but all credit is removed. As it goes down the line by fork by fork, the credit is not there. So it's a big mess right now because Vanilla OS, if you guys remember is another distro where you are, you can immutable distro where you can install multiple package managers using a multiple package managers. I didn't know if you could do multiple package managers. I know you can do a flat pack, snap, app image. It has distro box installed. That's the reason why you can do it. This one has distro box included by Vanilla OS, I don't think so. And Crystal Linux, the originators of that system, Crystal Linux, also lost credit, they not credited. So there's a whole. My version of Vanilla OS has distro box installed on it. Got my laptop. Okay, but the thing that really is getting really big right now in the Linux verse is that no credit is being given to the right people. Everybody is forking and calling it their own. And all it is is a fork and a slight configuration on the side. But the... If the way you tell the story is correct, if it's a fork over fork over fork and somewhere along the line, the credit was removed, blaming it all on this 13 year old kid sounds a little bit much. It sounds like it happened before. No, we're not blaming it. We're not blaming it. No, no, not you, but the video. No, granted, I didn't watch the video. All I saw was the thumbnail. So I'm judging by the thumbnail, but I mean it made it seem like it was blaming this distro. No, Nicolò goes to say that the kid is doing a great job, but he needs to learn how to continue crediting the right people. It's not dissing the boy. It's just pointing out his mistakes and he needs to correct them. And he is... Let's just point this out. Pointing out his mistakes publicly on YouTube. That's like pointing out some of his mistakes in front of the auditorium, in front of the high school. Like, hey, I was pointing out the mistake in front of all of your peers. It's perfectly fine. I think in that video, he actually had the developer from Blendois with him in it. And... No, no, he was pointing out that he interviewed the, previously, the developer of the models. Oh, yeah, it was a previous review. And you know, he probably at least had a discussion with, I think his name is a ruder or something like that. And, you know, he had a chat, so just like, at least the developer knew ahead of time. Yeah, because Vanilla OS is doing their own version of what Crystal OS did. So it's all, all are doing the same, they have the same idea, the same goal, the same end goal. And it's interesting, they're all immutable as well. You got immutable Arch, immutable Debian, immutable Fedora. What else coming down the pike? Open to, we're going to... I think it's interesting that it's using the same installer from Crystal Linux, which is actually just a GNOME installer. Yeah, I like that installer, actually. I wish we could, I could learn how to use it. Maybe I'll switch from Calamaris, finally, because Calamaris... It would be nice if, you know, GNOME actually documented how to use their stuff. Yeah, because Calamaris and encrypted drives is really a nightmare. But yeah, this is another interesting distro to join the multiple package managers, kind of immutable distros. And it's done by a 13 year old, so yeah. Even when that kid turns like 30, he's still going to be 13 years old. I'm pretty sure... I remember when he first made the website for the Ubuntu Unity Edition, there was all the wonderful CSS, hey, I figured I could do this, so I'm going to put this on my website. You know, the dynamic images were like, they would rotate, flip and then have like all the sparkle effects and all that. So when he made the Ubuntu web thing, I didn't know who made it. I had no clue it was a kid. I downloaded that thing and it was garbage, so I trashed that thing like crazy. It was... And then after I published it, it was like, oh my God, this kid's like nine years old or something at the time. It was... I was so embarrassed. I didn't apologize because I just hid my head in shame. All right, moving on to the apps of the week. I hear beeping. Anyways. Yeah, that's me. It's my UPS, because you're lucky the government electricity just came, so I don't have to turn off anything. Oh. Nice. Okay. Moving on to the last section of the show where we call it creatively thingies of the week. We could have called this thing many different things, app of the week, pick of the week, tricks of the week, but those were all taken, trademarked and used. So we came up with thingies of the week and it's not what you think it is. Get your mind out of the gutter. These are just things that we found interesting and would like to share. So I'm gonna go first and I'm going to come up with some proprietary garbage for once. I normally go to open source stuff, but what can I say? This one, this is an app for Android. If you have a Wear OS watch and you wanna use it with any... with some really awesome watch faces, Facer is fantastic. It comes with, I don't know, hundreds, maybe thousands of watch faces. Now, I will say the majority of them are premium. So you have to pay for them or subscribe to their service. But there are some free ones on there. So if you wanna get in there and get some of the free ones you can and a lot of them are really good. Now they're not as customizable as individual watch faces you can get like from Google Play or that are built in like on the Samsung watches cause a lot of those, you can change the complications and the colors and stuff like that. Through Facer, a lot of the stuff that you can change is mostly just the colors and not even always then, but the sheer number of watch faces that you have selection from, especially if you pay them, they're whatever their yearly fee is to get access to. It's just astonishingly how many different watch faces you can choose from digital, analog, big, little, however you want, nation ones, hybrid ones, you know, holiday ones, things like that. It's like, it's an incredible number of things cause it's an open, it's not an open community but it's like a community that has gone together and put their watch faces in this application using their tools and you can get access to all of them. And they work really, really well. So yeah, that's Facer. It is an awesome app but I'll have you know, I used to have one of my watch faces that I created on there, which I deleted a long time ago but I used to have a, what's it called? What's it called? A Huawei watch. Huawei watch, the black one with the metal strap, it was a Huawei watch two or something was really thick. I created my own watch face and I put it on there because this thing, as Matt said, is awesome. You can create your own watch faces. They got a watch face designer when you subscribe to the premium version. You can create and share and you can monetize your own watch faces. Set them as premium and sell them for, and they're cheap. Before it became a subscription, it used to be you charge per watch face. Yeah, you can still do that. It costs like $1.99 or something like that for watch face or whatever. I will say that if you subscribe to their premium version, it is pricey. So it's $15 a year for the first year and then after that it's like $30. It is pricey but, and I don't know if I'll pay for that second year because it is pretty pricey, but that 15 bucks for a year with this number of watch faces, I bought a whole, when I first got my watch, I bought a whole bunch of watch faces from Google Play. And each one of those costs like $2.49. So I definitely paid more than the $15 a year that I paid for FaceR. And like I said, it's just really, really good. Okay. Anyways, Tyler, you're thinking of the week. I hope this goes without saying, but it's Hyperland. It's super, super nice. And you should definitely check it out. Yeah, it's great. Unless you hate wayward. Simpin' hard. Simpin' hard, this boy. I like it. It's really, it's really, really good. I really like it. I had it installed. I played with it for a little while. Couldn't you not get OBS to work? Ah, that's probably because you were not having the PaulKit agent, agent exec one, or exec once in your config. Like you need to have, you need to launch up the PaulKit or whatever PaulKit you need. OBS would launch and it would do everything except for a screen capture. Yeah, if your screen capture is not working, then your PaulKit agent is not running. Because you need that, because it'll give you a pop-up. Like when you try to record your screen, it'll let you select a screen. And if you, if that doesn't pop up, then that's it. It's either your PaulKit agent or you're running the improper XDG desktop portal or whatever, but that's part of their, like, Wiki. I'm no longer a window manager user, so I can't use it right now. I'm an XFC user and it is awesome. XFC is so good. We don't need any other desktop environments. XFC could just be the thing for the rest of them. The rest of time, it's so good. It will endure anything we throw at it. It's so good. Anyways, sorry to hijack your tip there, there, there, Tyler. Yeah, anyways, Hi Hyperland, I'm sure is very good. Josh, your thinking of the week. My application of the week is actually pretty universal because it's not intended to be like an actual app that you use daily on your computer. Instead, it's actually a server software yet again, because you know, last week I did COC, but today I'm using another project that you can actually get to my website right now and use. It's a project called Plainer Ally, which is a virtual tabletop program that is GPL licensed and universally works for any of your game systems. When I'm talking about game systems, I'll talk about tabletop gaming systems. So stuff like chess, checkers. I use it for my Dungeons and Dragons campaigns, which you know, it's actually pretty well particularly suited for. And you know, it's an amazing project overall and you can actually go to a plainerally.tendlyj.com right now and you can actually go to it. And that server is not running Gen 2, it's currently running Debian. I do like how you add show notes, notably not running Gen 2. Surprisingly, right? Okay. Steve, your thinking of the week. My thinking of the week is something that I just discovered recently. It's called Simple X Chat. Which I built and I have on my own repositories for any zero Linux users out there. But it's a chat client thing that allows you to chat from the terminal and it's end-to-end encrypted, decentralized and you can create your own room. You can just chat and be secure with all your chats. It's an amazing little app that I'm using between me and one of my developers for the upcoming zero hello tool which will no longer be a fork of the Manjaro one. But yeah, it's super private, it's super easy to use and set up and what I love about it is it's fun to chat in terminal. I never done that before and it's super fun. And best part is it's secure. Nobody can read cause all the messages are deleted on server side all the time. Well, not even then. Like I really like the idea of not having, like you don't have user IDs at all. Yeah, you don't have user IDs. It's whatever is on your computer basically. What your computer name basically. Like if you use it in zero Linux your name is going to be zero Linux. Cause that's the host name. So it just takes like the system name and it just uses a whole host name. Yeah, host by default unless you set your own name but you can set it and it will get deleted because I noticed when you chat from terminal on your desktop and you have the application there's an Android and iOS app. So if you chat from your desktop it's going to show as a different ID than when you chat on your phone. Cause it's two different things. It's your machine ID disguised as your user ID. Okay, very interesting, I like it. That's fascinating. And it's a little neat little tool and I recommend it to a lot of people who want to discuss projects away from Google and Apple and Discord and all that. If they want to do it in a private manner do use simple X chat. At first when I discovered it I read it simple sex chat, but okay. I wonder if they're using, I wonder what protocol they're using for the chat. Like are they using XMPP with self authorization or something like that? Good question. Yeah, it's something I'm going to have to look into a little bit here but it does seem like it's pretty interesting use case especially for like a project like Zero Linux you can like host it on like a simple website where like a user that like needs that support ticket but you know they don't want to figure out like how to make an IRC client. They don't want to log into Discord or anything like that. They can just go to URL, post in their question you know just sit idle for a little bit and somebody eventually comes back and responds with a fix. Yeah, it says here to deliver messages instead of user IDs used by all other platforms simple X uses temporary anonymous pair wise identifiers of message queues separate for each of your connections. There are no long-term identifiers. You define your servers to use and receive the messages, your contacts, the servers you use to send the messages to them. Every conversation is likely to use a different server. It's a hopping thing. It keeps hopping. So it's really, really private. That's amazing and it's so simple to use. Just use your terminal, install the client and run simple X chat and you're up to the races, up to the races. Josh that alt-right click tip that you just put in the chat. Life changer, thank you for that. You're welcome. I didn't know that. And you know the project that does seem like it's got, it's at like the beginning of stages showing some longevity too because I can see here some commits as old as six months right on the front page which just being an open source project you can look at GitHub and you can basically see the history of a project like this. Yeah, and last week they had a commit. And of course 171 issues. So you know that people are at least trying to use it. No. All right. GitHub, there's only nine issues open. I see 171 issues with nine pull requests. Weird, I see nine, but okay. It's, yeah. Well, I mean it doesn't really matter that it shows that there are people using it. Which is really. All right, fellas, that's it for this episode. We did a good job. I think nothing went horribly wrong. At least once we started recording which is always the goal. Anyways, so that's it for this time. We record this live every Saturday, I guess now. Today is Saturday. 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