 You're welcome back to the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Our final conversation today is about restructuring. There's been lots of calls about restructuring and most importantly different perspectives you know from different quarters about what restructuring is and should be. All right we've invited Victor Orkai, he's a public affairs analyst and the president of the Doctors Director's Guild of Nigeria. Good morning Mr Orkai, thanks for joining us. All right so the talks and comments for restructuring seems you know very broad and open to interpretation from different people. Mr Orkai can you hear me? I think we're trying to reconnect with him again. Like you had said restructuring means a lot of different things to different people. Some people have talked about resource control, some people have talked about state policing rather and others have said restructuring should also mean devolution of power. You know David Ormai, I was also in the government of Eboni state and he's talked about having six vice presidents. We have Mr Orkai back online. Mr Orkai can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. Okay so I'm saying this right based on the different opinion people have about restructuring and what it should be. Do you think we should have like a national education you know to enlighten people on what restructuring is and what it should be? But then again I'd also like to hear your own opinion of restructuring. Actually there appears to be a loose term that means different things to different people. Having an education, the only kind of education that is required right now is if you like regional education for people in various regions to decide for themselves what it is that they want to the Nigerian state. Because the truth is what restructuring means to the Saldana may be different from what it means to the Northerner. Restructuring what it also means for probably a northern Christian may be different from what it means to a northern Muslim. You know there are so many factors and so many interests. You know the constitution as is presently why not necessarily saying that there are flaws in it. The problem is the way the operators have implemented it has created such satisfaction among the component segments of the Nigerian state and so people restructuring may just be resource control for others. It may just be like another Christian for instance would he want to be bound by Sharia law. There is a physical restructuring which I guess it is you are trying to ask me about which means should we restructure along geopolitical zones? Should we restructure along the structures we had in the 1963 constitution as many have advocated. So the thing about it is it's not so much education as much as saying what do the component parts want and so you know they have to first decide it at the local level and have a proper position before they can articulate it effectively at essential table. Alright Mr. Ohai the governor of Eboni state seems to have the issue of devolution of powers in mind that when he mentioned that there should be six vice presidents to you know represent the six geopolitical zone. Now this is in the wake of you know calls for self-determination by some ethnic groups in Nigeria. Specifically is that what we should be looking at at this particular time in our nation's history? I'm not a part of security I'm not I mean in terms of structuring it is more about how the how the national case is shared. Those values were shared equitably we probably would not have any problems. Frankly when we had 12 states nobody complied. When we grew to 19 maybe because we were under military rule at the time but again with the 19 we moved into civilian rule. So we got back to their batch era and then the states were more disliked. People didn't really complain. Where the complaint started was when you know in sharing resources it seemed like you know resources would come from one part to finance another and then the people who are who are you know from where these resources are coming from are not getting any benefits from it. I'll give you a small example. Look at what's happening. The gold in Zampara alone the gold you have in Zampara if the federal government decides today to tap it for the benefit of the state of Nigeria. What we have in Zampara is probably more than what is sustaining South Africa and probably more than what is sustaining Ghana but no one is talking about it. All they're talking about is using this model product which is crude oil and then you go there there's an environmental degree. Oh seems to lost Mr. Okai there. But here as I said the bulk of it most of our national leaders are just actually about you know sharing of the national case and they have economics on mind when it comes to restructuring and of course what the nation should be doing. Yes and you know he mentioned that you know security is the first you know major issue and one of my questions would be if we're talking about devolution of powers we're talking about restructuring why then are states you know opposing a president's statement when he said that his hands on of security to state. I mean isn't that the restructuring they want to control state of security in their state. Do you understand the regional security network that they have in Amoteca. If you're talking about you want regional security you want state policing you want you know restructuring. Now the president is saying okay I'm taking my hands off you control that and make sure your states are secure and states are really opposing that. So it makes you really wonder what exactly do they mean when they say restructuring. But a whole lot still needs to be done if you talk about your hands just leaving security to the state level. If you look at our constitution the policing in Nigeria is actually at the federal level. So a whole lot needs to be done to even just not just use a word just to show what's the best way of everything. So verbally you know pass the ball. You know you just don't do that in my opinion. Wow so really restructuring is a very big issue different different sides. I think you should study that as a course in school. Just saying. Exactly also also another very interesting issue that David Umaye raised in addition to saying that Nigeria should have six vice presidents. What first of all I wonder how exactly how would that work six vice presidents. So the vice president would just handle issues that have to do with you know their particular zone or how. Don't you think that would even raise more conflict because how would each zone decide who exactly should rule or become vice president. There will be more talk of marginalizations you know amongst me for instance people would really be you know would it be a number of your email or even a bonus itself. And in a time we were talking about the need for more development of the grassroots you know you're looking at states in the rural areas and how bad they develop they are. Umaye is also saying that local governments should be scrapped and you're wondering you know so that's what restructuring means to him. That's also another aspect of restructuring that you know the third tier of government because most times they seem to be like you know an appendage of the state government and that the state government just pushes whatever you know they want you know to those particular arms of government. So so so so so so much. So really this this is a conversation that wouldn't end in a short while. Hopefully we can get started in school. Yes hopefully we can get Miss Hawkeye back on this issue once more in future. But thank you very much for tuning in to the breakfast and plus CV Africa this morning. We've been talking about security in Plateau state restructuring of the entire country. I gave you some top training issues regarding Chimamanda Ungozia Diche versus an upcoming writer. We told you about you know allegiance to Nigeria. Yes of course I would switch your you know your citizenship for maybe Swiss citizenship or United States citizenship. For Nigerians. Yes of course again the beauty pageant of the lady who had done the bloodstained Nigerian flag. Yes maybe we should put a poll you know if you had a sweet citizenship would you would you you know just live that for Nigerians. So let's know how many Nigerians are really patriotic. All right let's get the conversation flowing over to social media platforms. It is at plus TV Africa. Yes at Facebook and Instagram and it's also at plus TV Africa on our YouTube channel. Do subscribe to that. I am Neto Felix thanking you for being a part of our day. And I'm Justin Akademi. Many thanks for being a part of the show. We'll return again tomorrow. The news is up next. Stay with us.