 Welcome to Breeder's Syndicate 2.0, where we explore the history of a clandestine scene. Researching everything from cannabis strain history, old smuggling tales from the first person perspective, to breeding science and news on current subculture. I'm your host, Matthew, and I'll occasionally be joined by my homey not-so-dog, Breeder and grower from Mendocino, to speak on these subjects and sometimes interview other participants. Our goal is to document this history before it's written by corporations and others who just weren't there. Let's start writing some wrongs. Welcome to the Underground. You'll notice with a lot of our interviews, it kind of just jumps into a conversation and this will be no different. And the ending will probably be no different as well. So apologies in advance. A lot of our conversations are all over the place. It's a bunch of us with ADHD, so I just wanted to put that in there. Cheers. Okay. Welcome to Breeder's Syndicate, everyone. I'm Matthew. I'm here with my friends, Shawnee Kids and not-so-dog, and we are here with New York Peaks. Was the, I guess you would say, owner, runner of Compassion Clubs in the 90s in Canada, correct? Yeah, and we're still going. So I started the, originally it was called the London Compassion Club back in 95. And then we went public in with Alan Rock, so that would have been like 97 or so. And that's when I split off from Hemp Nation and did the Organic Traveler, which was my retail. But they call me NYPD just because my name is Peaty, Pete, and I'm from New York kind of thing. So they don't call me New York Pete, but they call me NYPD. NYPD, yeah. I'm always scared to lead with that because I remember when the first time I heard it, I was like, NYPD. Yeah, you see what everybody, and there were a bunch of fucking NYPD paraphernalia, like the shirt and the hat and all that. But where we're from, it's like everyone had a nickname. Like my name is Johnny Kids, like Pete has only really known me as Johnny Kids going back to the 90s, right? Yeah. All of our friends had nicknames. Everyone had a nickname. You kind of had to in this industry though, right? Sure. Because back in the day, I didn't want to say, hey, fucking Sean fucking, you know, or Chris Clay or fucking anybody's real name. If you were the king of shortening words, too. I fucking mixed up everybody. And there's evolutions of people's nicknames that I know has a fucking nickname. And if something like Bongboy worked for me for years, no idea what his fucking real name was. No fucking idea what it was. I'll admit that on my birth certificate, it does not say not so, dog. Yeah. But it's like, it's the same thing. It's tour names. It's a different nickname. It's a different way. You know, for being in a semi shady, you know, quasi, you know, anywhere from completely illegal to quasi legal to gray area to maybe, you know. Yeah. And I always said, you know, we have, we, I've always lived in the gray area of the world. And sometimes it's really dark gray and sometimes really like gray, right? You know, I've, I've had a deal in the black market because I needed to to suffice or to satisfy the need of the medical communities that I was part of and I couldn't grow enough for everybody. So and that's really why I started growing pot. I started growing pot, you know, one, not to sell it, I just wanted to save money. And when I started organic traveler in a, you know, university town, I had the grow your tuition campaign, which was I would sell you seeds and give you information. Sell your grow guides, come back, come in on any Sunday and we would have grow chats and walking through how to do cuttings or start seeds or stuff like that. Because money in your pocket, whether you save it or make it is still money in your pocket, right? Yeah. No, don't get into this industry. And I fucking honestly, you know, I won't work with anybody back in the day, especially when cannabis was illegal. If your sole income was strictly on growing pot, good on you, you're not going to be in my circle, because I think, you know, if you're doing, that's kind of prostituting the plant. And I've always been a big advocate about, you know, not prostituting this plant, like use it for what it's meant for, right? It was put forth for us to enjoy, not to, you know, bastardize and and prostitute kind of thing. So I've made my entire living off of cannabis. Yes. But I also had organic traveler, which was a head shop that was legal. If I got busted, which I have and end up in jail, which I have, and they take everything that I own, which they did. My rent was still paid and there was still food on my table. So before I had Hemp Nation, sorry, organic traveler or before Hemp Nation, well Hemp Nation, I was delivering meat. I'm a vegetarian. I was fucking delivering meat every morning from nine or eight in the morning till four in the afternoon, come home to my garden. And that was my gravy, my fucking shitty fucking day job, put food on my table, paid my rent, and then all the gravy in life, my $2,000 bike hanging on the wall. My trips to fucking Amsterdam or California or wherever the fuck I want to go. That was great. That was all from the cannabis. I was, you know, and it's not from being, you know, a dick about it. I was, I grew pot. I would have a harvest party and I'd bring all the staff in from Hemp Nation and I'd be like, what do you guys want? Right? I'm going to, I'm honest with you. I'm charging you double what I charge medical so I can sell it cheaper to the met for people that need it over the people that want it. Yeah. And, and you tell me what you want. You don't have to pay for it. You will pay for it in time. But if you want two ounces or three ounces or QP, that's fine. You, I'm going to take the pie. I'm going to put in one of those containers. I'm going to stick it in my deep freezer. And you come to me with a quarter ounce, 50 bucks. Bring it, you know, but that pot is there. It's where you, I'm not selling it to anybody else. Right. That could be a generational thing too, because like when I, I felt like where I, you know, where I grew up at least, it was really important to have some kind of verifiable income. Yeah. Right. Because you had to have some reason of existing. You had to have some way to make it. Right. And you know, it comes from an era where like you, it had to be a side gig because, you know, you needed, even if it was just a, even if it was just a front, like you said, like, you had no like. Organic traveler was all a front. Like, I mean, I fucking never made money to do that organic travel. I lost it. When it got to a point of losing about 40 grand a year, I said, okay, we'll pull in the plug. And that by that time, you know, I was doing the compassion society for like 20 years. The cops knew what I was doing, you know, and then, you know, in diva came into play and diva came in into play as I was close and organic like I same thing. I had a reason and you kind of need to have a reason for, like you said, what people see. But for me, it's for what I see and what I know. And I cut ties with some really fucking great growers. And, and I cut ties with people I were just fucking assholes, you know, and it was just their focus was money, money, money. And when you chase it, you know, you'll open to yourself up to the, you're more vulnerable to be taken advantage of or get busted or, you know, get shady deal with shady people, shit like that. I've been pretty lucky. I mean, I've been in this industry. Fuck, long time 30. Oh my 3040 40, almost about 35 years, you know, that I put my name out there and said, Hey, I'm a fucking pot guy. And London was a pretty conservative place. Like, that's why most people went to BC because everybody left BC. And that's why I say like, maybe like, Oh, BC grows the best pot. Of course they do. They're from Ontario. Like, fuck, you know, like, I went out to BC. I lived out there and I didn't meet anybody from fucking BC kind of thing. Right. I'm out there on grow contracts. But, you know, it was what we have here. I mean, it seems like it kind of, I think the marijuana movement started around here. And yes, we are in a very conservative town. And back when I started, we had a very conservative religious mayor. And, you know, I wanted to make a point and I put up big banners that said the Lord believes in marijuana. Do you believe in the Lord? You know, and it was not something that she took kindly, but would not, you know, make a stink about it because she would be giving me airplay. But yeah, more clock in the morning, the fucking paddy wagon showed up and took down my fucking banner. You know, And that's a thing like you've been doing this a long time and all of that. But like the one thing you've been doing also is like fighting the law openly. Right. Like since what? Since 93. You've been constantly or like I think is when the constitutional challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I still talk with Alan Young on a regular basis. Right. Like he's that poor man's been beat the shit up in this fucking industry too. Who is he? Alan Young is the, I say the cannabis lawyer in Canada. So. And so he's the one that handled Chris's case, his partner, Paul Bernstein, he handled like Ross Rebo roll a big dooby, whatever the fuck his name is. I don't know. If you go to the West Coast, you have John Conroy. When you hear constitutional lawyers, you're dealing with Alan Young. Do you want to explain the whole Chris Clay arrest? Sure. Yeah. I was part of hemp BC, but in the shadows. Luckily. So the first time we got rated. Yeah. It was. Yeah. So with, with Chris, very educated, well read, polite. Kid who didn't start smoking pot till just a few years prior. Read the law and the law. The way that the law was read is it wasn't cannabis that was illegal was THC. Yeah. So THC is not in the seats. That's great. We started selling seeds. And that's how I met him because I was going back and forth from New York to St. Thomas or London because I was in college and I was bringing seeds back and forth just trading for a genetic for genetics. Yeah. And so I was helping him with the little great Canadian Emporium seed fucking company. And then he realized, well, cuttings don't have fucking THC in them either. So he took out a fucking full page ad in the sea. I think we've seen magazine that said overgrow your government. And I, I'm pretty sure that Chris, well, we would have been Andrew who was the artist coined that phrase. Overgrow. Overgrow your government. Right. That's overgrow the government. And it was like, it was literally a cartoon of a seed marching with a helmet on with a hemp nation flag on it, holding a bong at like it's a gun. And, you know, and we said we're going to sell 30 skunk one cuttings for 30 bucks or 25 or 25 bucks or something like that. And I think by the seventh cutting or something along that line, Jordan, who's the little person, I think is the proper name Howard, the duck. Yeah, he was Howard. Oh, that guy. Okay. Yeah. So he, I just reconnected with him too. He's back in Toronto. And so they read, he was the one that actually sold the cutting to an undercover cop. They must have brought the duck sold the cutting to an undercover cop. Yeah. Yeah. He was arrested. Right. So Chris was arrested because he was the owner. It was his name on the lease. Yeah. And Jordan got arrested because he was the actual one that did the sale. And, um, and, uh, and yes, they must have bought the cutting and then brought it down because they didn't buy it and then bust them. They bought it and then came back a little bit later. I mean, Chris would be the better. I mean, I was smoking a lot of pot back then. Chris was smoking a lot. Yeah. He had dreadlocks actually back then too. And, um, and they all did. Jordan had Jordan was like a little person, but he had dreads down to his ass. He had like a lip piercing, you know, he was. Yeah. He was, uh, he was, uh, That still trips me out. Howard, the duck bro. He was only Howard for like a very split. Yeah. He tried to remove a lot of it because he was underage. He wasn't allowed. I watched the documentary on it the other day on the making of Howard the duck. Oh really? Yeah. Did they don't mention him? Do they? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. They talked about how like they hired him and he was a little kid. Yeah. Like they initially shot a bunch of it with him, but the movements. They have removed a lot of it. From the dummy. They had to move it, remove them. Yeah. But he's going to tell if it was him or not because. Yeah. If you, can you actually email me that? Oh yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's way worth watching. He was in something modern too with like Colin Farrell. Yeah. Yeah. And Bruce. Oh, and Bruce is a great movie. I didn't know he was in. Yeah. That's him. That's Jordan. And Bruce. And I hate to say, but I, and I joke with him too. I was like, listen, you know, you kind of all look alike kind of thing. Cause there's so many people that times I'm like, fuck, I'm pretty sure that's Jordan. They're like, I don't know if it's not, I have to go look at the fucking credits. They say, oh, it's not him. You know, you know, it's just, um, And then Prozac back in the day, uh, which was another one of the kind of, um, I wouldn't call him a Klingon because he was part of the, he was hemp nation family, right? Like, and, uh, you know, obviously Pete rocks was and Pete Miller and fucking, um, uh, there was a whole, and there was a whole bunch of, uh, a whole bunch of us, but anyways, getting back to the bus. They, they must have took the plant out, brought it. They couldn't have analyzed it. They just maybe confirmed that it was cannabis and came back later that, uh, afternoon and rated the place. We didn't take any of the seeds. They didn't say anything about the seeds. Busted them for a paraphernalia, paraphernalia, the two six 2.2. And the, um, and for the, uh, distribution of, uh, controlled stuff. So like back again, it would be called something different back then. I don't know if it was a PPT, like the, uh, uh, possession for the purpose, but, um, anyways, they, you know, cleared out the store or fucking made a mess of it, basically try to shove them down. And, um, maybe they didn't realize Chris had really supportive parents that had money and believe their son, not to be a fucking criminal like he was treated. And, um, and the Elmwood house, we had a girl house on Elmwood that everybody lived in except for me because I actually, I was delivering meat at the time. And, um, and, you know, they went there. That's where they busted Prozac and, uh, his girlfriend at the time. And, uh, that was fucking a shit show of craziness because as soon as the cops busted us, the phone calls started going. Everybody had it was at the house was literally like running to the basement, grabbing pots, running out the backyard, throwing them over the back fence and do an empty lot. So by the time the police got there, there was literally a trail of dirt up the stairs through the kitchen out the back door and dirt still on the top of the fence. I bet. Yeah. They were throwing it over and they were just like, we're like, yep, not on the property. Not our problem. You know, so, um, so that, that was the first bust. And then since they didn't say anything about the, the seeds Chris and Chris and I, Chris and I got a little bit more serious about it and started to, um, um, get a little bit more into the breeding buying, like I say, showing those some of these early, uh, sent to seed packs and stuff like that. Anybody that was going over there mail a seeds, right? And when did we start buying seeds? Like you, did you tell me that you were the first in, in Canada? I think, I think, I think Chris was the first, uh, seed company in Canada because I didn't know of anybody else that was publicly selling seeds. Right. Uh, way before dark enemy, uh, Mark, Mark, yeah, Mark Henry, sorry, dark. Same thing. Dark enemy. Yeah. Yeah. They removed a whole chapter from my book because they were so scared that he was going to sue me. Yeah. Us kind of thing, but he's a fucking douchebag. Um, and then, um, Mike up north at crosstown, he was early in it. Um, I don't think Dom ever, no, Dom never got into the seed thing. Um, out West, there was nobody really out West that we knew of. Uh, MPC wasn't even around at this point in time. So as far as I knew, yeah, Chris Chris was the first one to stick his fucking little neck out there to, um, to, to spread the word, right? Like to overgrow the government. So, you know, and when they busted him the first time, they, uh, they didn't do anything about the seeds. So we figured fuck, you know, we, we know where the limits are. So fuck, yeah, let's ball to the wall. Let's get into the seed fucking business. Let's start spreading the seeds fucking everywhere, you know, and we started, that's when I was hired to work in the store. Um, and every Sunday I would do, um, cultivation, uh, counseling, whatever the fuck they wanted to call it with NYPD. Yeah. And, uh, and, um, it was a, uh, it was the point that, you know, we started getting noticed. And we would start getting people traveling to us. And then Chris got on the internet and everything back then was raw code and started producing the, uh, seed menu online. Yeah. And it was fucking, we were getting more hits at one point. If I remember correctly, he said we were getting more hits than University of Western Ontario. That's funny. I believe it. Right. Because we had so many fucking people that just heard what you can buy cannabis seeds. And then, you know, because we were in the newspaper, sure they're going to put that in it. So it gives us credibility of who we are and what we're doing. Yep. And then, uh, when they came back the second time, they offered Chris a, uh, a, uh, a way out. An option is, yeah, to, to, um, plead guilty to lesser charges and drop the constitutional challenge. And, um, and basically sell the seeds, sell the pipes, sell the bonds. We don't care about that. You know, and Chris came to us and said, it's up to you guys. As I mean, we're, we're a nation at this point in time. We were true. We were treating ourselves as a nation. So we, we had minister, I was minister of agriculture. And then we had made her labor, which was bill that took care of all the retail store and all the, um, all the staff. And then we had minister of, uh, education, which was Sarah and she took care of the library and the museum and, uh, and stuff like that. And Andrew was the minister of defense. He was our artist, but he was the angriest. He was, he just had, he was, he's a brilliant, he's a school teacher. I run with scares to share with me now. And his wife owns from Mars, which is another staple in this town. And, um, you know, so we were set up as a nation kind of thing. We were ready to, like they call it as war on drugs. We were going to take it as a war on drugs. It's a war. So we formed our nation and we were ready. And, uh, and this is like early 20s kids, right? Like you're all like in early 20s, right? This is in the 90s still. This would be late 90s. Okay. Yeah. So we were, uh, um, Yeah, it would have been like mid 90s. Yeah. Second time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I opened up organic in 97. And, um, And we were our, and Chris has already banished from Ontario by that time. And the thing was, is after the first raid, like I said, we went balls of all to the, with the seed, and the seed business. And that's when we started like in, if you're going through Amsterdam, sell it, send a seed so I can breed them. And I was doing what, um, what the fuck's the big douchebag in, uh, Amsterdam? Are you on? No, no, he's, he's a nice douchebag. Okay. Um, an arrogant douchebag. Uh, So many. No, yeah, but he's the most, this is the most famous. He threatened to sue us as legends for when we were entering the cup with the, uh, he thought, uh, Neville. Fast. No, no, no. That was always, uh, good people, but we were using Neville seeds. Yeah, yeah. Hank, Hank. Oh yeah, that's right. So Hank is the type of fucking guy that started doing what we were doing, but, but being a dick about it, I would, I would openly say, Hey, listen, we got in 20 seeds of skunk one from, uh, from the drunkers and I'm open breeding those. And in the same room, we had an original haze. We had a block domino. We had all these other strains. So they're f ones. This is what you're going to get when there's no guarantees here, but you get your grown pot. You know, now you're officially a pot grower and, uh, they're, they're good genetics and not, you know, from where I started my genetic, uh, selection was from bags of weed. Yeah. I would get fucking in New York. We're not getting the fucking best weed. We're getting fucking Jamaican brick. When I first started, we would buy nickel bags in East Rockway on B 15, which I think is actually in a, in a Beastie boy song, but, um, for five bucks for a nickel bag and 10 bucks for a dime bag. And we would get, you know, a third of it was seed. It was back when it was after people were saying, buying it by the lid, right? It was like four fingers in a fucking, in a, in a sandwich bag. Yeah. But we were basically going and buying nickel bags for five bucks and you would get a shitload of seeds in it. And if it was good pot, I would save the seeds, right? And I didn't know what the fuck it was. I didn't know what Sativa was or Indica was. I mean, it's all fucking Jamaican fucking shit weed or Colombian or whatever. So when we got certain things and people like, Oh, it's aqua powerful gold. Okay. I'm going to keep the fucking seeds because I've heard that back in the high reading in high times magazines. So I started collecting those genetics and I would bring them up to Canada and I would trade with, uh, with Chris, right? And he would have his seeds from here. London is a fucking phenomenal place for cannabis for multiple reasons. One, because we did have the Perth County conspiracy that was a lot of the draft Dodgers that came to Canada. Um, didn't want to go too far north and we're right in Buffalo in Detroit. And if you look at the, uh, geographic, we are surrounded by Great Lakes. So we are a glacial runoff that all the minerals and everything got deposited. So our soil here, that's why it was such a large farming community. Our soil is fucking awesome. It was awesome. Right. So since we were getting all that, uh, and we're all growing pot in the fields, in the fucking, uh, in the corn, you know, we were growing some great fucking pot. And if you got seeds in it, which you would indefinitely, uh, get something. I was happy as fucking shit. People like piss off. Like, oh man, it's got season. I was like, fucking give me the seeds. No, that's a score, bro. Let me smell the pot. Let me smell the pot. Is it worth keeping? You know, give me some descriptions. Grow it out. See, see if I could grow it indoors. You know, um, if it came from around here, I knew I can grow it most likely grow it outdoors because there wasn't very many people growing back then. If they were, they were using phototrons and, uh, fluorescent lightings and shit like that. The HID community really wasn't taking off. Uh, it was in the 90s in the early 90s. I was having some local kids go and steal fucking lights from in front of buildings. Yeah. Because they were street lights or something. Yeah. They were metal halides and HPS and they were either 400s, most likely all 400s, too many thousand watts back then. Yeah. 250s and 400s. Yeah. We were, we were trying to, um, we were growing pot. Like I said, we have fucking pock roads. We didn't know what we were growing, how we were growing it, but fuck, man, it's, it's a weed. They call it weed for a reason. The more you do to it, the more you can fuck it up. So let it do its thing. Give it food, give it water, give it air. She's going to give, give it back. So, um, by, by bringing some of these making strains from New York and which I'm saying Jamaican, which I think it's going to be. It was, it was brick weed. So I knew most likely, I should say, I didn't know back then, but I learned quickly that you can't grow your course here. Right. Just, but we can grow it indoors. Uh, people didn't like it because it was too big, too scraggly, too long. You know, if anything, they're growing up here, especially all the pot that came from the 60s and the 70s, 60s when the draft Dodgers were coming. And then the 70s when their kids were getting, you know, old enough or something that they were growing dad's strains. And I just saw one. Yeah. So it's called Elmwood. And it's supposed to be this ancient genetic that is supposed to be fire for outdoor around here. So I get a lot of seeds. You know, any more history on Elmwood? Or is that just basically? No, all I know is I wanted the seed forever because I heard of it. Yeah. All I knew was like, when you get to Northern. London, North London, Lucan, Exeter, you know, a little bit further north, maybe not as far as, um, not as far as own sound, but maybe kind of in that direction. South of Collinwood own sound. This was the plant that everybody grew because it was massive. You know, was it the, the, the best? Don't know. But, you know, we would have people that grew like this. This strain is called berry berry. Actually, you know what? This is berry berry. It's a, and it was my first centerfold in high times. Oh, what's in it? It was just a fucking seed that a guy came in and says, this is the fucking bomb. Wow. All right, let's, let's try it out. We grew it out. It was, had to be like an F one, uh, cause it was all over the place, but it would fucking turn into something like this. I was just like, this is fucking awesome. And, uh, we didn't have a fucking name for it. They was like, guys tastes smells like it might be a blueberry. So I thought, I'm not calling it blueberry. Yeah. All right. It gets the, uh, gets the idea. You know, how good. Like, I was curious, when did you first start, uh, or when did you first make contact with high times and start working with high times? Uh, Kyle found me, um, Gushman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I like to put that out. I actually sent him an email because he's out in fucking the, the Oaks, their damn shit, spreading the, uh, the, what does he call it now the plant chiropractics or something like that. It's super cropping. Right. Yeah. And it's an article that was the first article and it was like a growers interview or whatever on me. Yeah. And I did make it up. I was shown by some growers in, uh, in this area and I made sure it was in the article saying, you know, it's fucking phenomenal technique for people that are growing indoors that want to grow certain strains, certain ways and don't want to have fucking 50 plants. You can have two plants, three plants and still get two pounds. Yeah. You know, not, it's going to take a little bit longer, but you know, certain strains obviously work better for it, but it's manipulating and training plants, uh, to grow in a, in a certain way. Sure. And, um, and so when Kyle came through, so short, long, so short, the other thing with him teaching this, I was like, like, how'd you learn this? Like I want, I want, I don't want him to acknowledge me, but I want him to acknowledge the lineage of the history. Yeah. This technique. Sure. Because people deserve, uh, the recognition. Right. And it's not to say they're fucking names. Yeah, yeah. Especially cause I don't talk to either of them anymore. And the one guy's the biggest dick in this fucking town when it comes to anything in general, but he showed me this technique that fucking got me recognized. That's what they flew me to the cannabis cup to talk about. It was just talk about Canadian cultivation techniques and it was super cropping. Yeah. And then they did the same thing with Soma five years later or something. But so anyways, um, Kyle was living in Detroit at the time. And, um, he was coming from maybe Toronto or something. And I, he must have heard about, uh, either the seeds or me or, um, something. Can you hear that beeping career? Yeah. Yeah. What is it? Like diabetic thing. Oh, it's okay. Um, and, uh, he just popped in the shop one day at organics and struck up the conversation and we hit it off. And then, um, he would come back and I would, uh, him and his boys, we called the Detroit Danksters, uh, great growers back there. Sally is still there. Big John, I think is gone. But, um, that was, that was his crew, his boys. Super, super good, super talented growers in, in Detroit. And, um, but they liked the fucking creating pot. Like the, they were coming through London and I would invite them basic to a same before the hemp nation family. So I was like, listen, if you guys want your pain, 200 bucks an ounce, but you're paying us, not Canadian, you know, and, um, I was happy with that. They were fucking stoke cause you know, they're paying three, $400 an ounce in Detroit at the time. Sure. Yeah. And I just said, you know, I'm selling to you. You do what the fuck you want with it. Yeah. We didn't have back sealers back then. We were just fucking, I was taking, you know, freezer bags or taking Ziploc bags, throw them in freezer bags and then another freezer bag and then baking soda or dryer sheets and then another fucking Ziploc. Yeah. And the way that we got it across was they would have a friend come across, go to Windsor to the casino and boys would like a guy would bring his girlfriend, not tell her what was happening and they would go to the night for the casinos, the boys, the Dancers were paying for all of it. Yeah. They were fucking, you know, the, if they could stay the night, do whatever. And the boys would go there with a key to the, to the guy's trunk. Didn't even fucking hide it. Like just fucking shuffle bag in the fucking back. Yeah. And then would drive across the border with nothing. And then the next day they would, the buddy would wake up, drive across, got all the paraphernalia from the fucking casino, spent the night, had dinner, you know, that's it. Didn't buy anything. Didn't do anything to the casino. Fucking go through no problem. Yeah. We did that for fucking years. And then I found out just a few years ago that when they were, went to cross to come by, come back here, they were asked if they were coming to see me by name. Oh, Oh, and they were just like, okay, like, yeah, he's kind of like, you know, like the winds are crossing it. Yeah. I'm from Windsor. And now I had a run in with the Windsor border coming back from a photo shoot for high times where I met with Kyle and the dangsters. And oh God, another photographer, fucking most, I think the most famous photographer back in the 90s to early 2000s. God damn it. He was there doing, he was shooting also. But anyways, I was meeting with Kyle. So I brought all my photos right after I got back from Switzerland. So I had all my Swiss photos and my Amsterdam photos. And I got, I got early 2000s then because you said I was in Switzerland in 2000. So Switzerland didn't really get going. I don't think I was at the cup. And I think I did the cup in, no, I did the cup quit smoking pot. 2000. Yeah, it'd be 2000. We've been 2000. And so when I, that's what I was meeting. I would imagine that's what I was meeting Kyle for because I brought all my photos, which always meant pictures, which I just basically use as proofs. And then slides because that's what the magazine wanted. And then video because I wanted to document the shoots. Yeah. So when they pulled me and I was driving my girlfriend at the time had a 1969 Volkswagen bus. And I had crazy dreads that were probably just about my shoulder length, but they were still just finishing developing. So they were all over the fucking place. And I was like, you know what? I'm not crossing with anything. Definitely would never cross with any fucking pot or anything like that. And got pulled over. And they said, you know, we were searching the vehicle. Sure. I guess I got a pot leaf on my fucking shirt. And they said, do you have any drugs on you? I was like, listen, this is on tell you my name is Pete Young from London, Ontario. I own organic traveler, which is a marijuana fucking paraphernalia shop. And I can't make it any easier than that. Like, no, I'm dumb, not stupid. Nothing illegal kind of thing. And they said, OK, well, we're going to search the vehicle to make you stand out, stand in front. And I watched the guy go around to the back and he's a younger custom agent. And he holds up the first slide and you just see his eyes go fucking this big. Oh, I bet he thought he found the mother load. Yeah. I was like, ah, fuck. So I walk around and I approached him and he listened. You know, not sure how the law is here. I kind of have an idea that you're allowed to look through anything, but there's people's likeness in these photos that I do not have model releases for. So legally, I can't show them to anybody. Right. And he explained, yes, you're right. You have absolutely no fucking rights here. We're allowed to look at every fucking photo, every negative for pornographic material. And he's like, do you have any pornographic material? I was like, fuck no. I was like, it's all pot. I was like, it's me pot, my dog and pot, me, my dog and pot. As like, there might be a couple titties models that are holding cannabis and stuff like that, but nothing pornographic. And he's like, OK, I had. Fuck, not hundreds, but thousands. If not, maybe 10,000 photos, negatives in that van. Because I brought everything. Yeah. Because it was a money cow for me for high times. They loved it. And I didn't get paid for all the pictures. A lot of it came into the grow America because Kyle needed photos to put into grow America. And I say, OK, I'm going to donate this many, but you're paying me for this many. Right. Like if I got to send a fold, I got 600 bucks. If they got a full page, I got 300 bucks. So it made sense for me to do this. So anyways, maybe that's, you know, he opened up another box and literally thousands of photos and he's looking at them and it's like pot and I was like, oh, you want to see some really nice ones? I start pulling out pictures from from Switzerland, which is fields of pot. Yeah, yeah. Not just like a backyard full, but a fucking hectares or. Yeah. And I was like, oh, and he's like, where's that? I was like, well, that's Switzerland, somewhere in Amsterdam. I was like, some are here, some are there kind of thing. Yeah. Never said that from Canada. Never said that from the States kind of thing. And he just said, open up another box and he's like, is it all pot? It's like every single picture and here's pot. He's like, why do you have all this? And luckily at the same weekend, they were having the one of their big rave convention party kind of thing. I forget what they called it. They had a specific name. And I was like, oh, I was coming back from there and we set up a booth to show people to use cannabis because you don't have to have it tested for fucking, you know, bad drugs, right? And they had them at these at these concerts or at these parties where if you got a pill, they would go and they scratch off a little bit of it and they would test it and say, yeah, it is MDMA or it's, you know, some it's some speed or whatever they would be able to tell you maybe not what's exactly in it, but they could more or less tell you what's not in it. Right. So I just made up that bullshit literally on the whim that I was coming from that. And I had all the pictures that's just put out on display to show the show kids not to, you know, smoke pot. Don't fucking do drugs. Don't do hard drugs. They bought it. They liked it. I fucking gave him one of my fucking credit cards said, hey listen, I offer 25% off any officer. So if you want them or you want to pipe a bong anything like that, you know, just show them your badge. You get fucking you get discounts. So that was one of the techno festivals in Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. And they would they would back that. I mean, I wasn't trying to interrupt or anything like that. But one of the one of the ways that we used to regularly go into Canada. That was we used to go like in especially in the Detroit scene with Windsor being right there. There was parties that were thrown in Canada. Yeah. Right. And there was a lot of border crossings. Well, they learned like what hippies and ravers looked like and they didn't like. Yeah. Yeah. So we used to drive across the border there wearing like dockers and polo shirts and all normal and all of our like real clothes were like stuffed in the trunk. Yeah. Of what we normally looked like because we were trying to go back and forth and look like the biggest nerds ever. Yeah. Right. Because if you, you know, if you looked a certain way. Yeah. You're going to get you're going to get checked out on a certain level. And I just didn't have that option. I had fucking dreads and, you know, like I did the opposite. I was just like, I'm driving to Volkswagen bus. Okay. I got a pot leaf on my shirt and I got fucking dreads. Now I'm born in New York and I live in Canada. So I have a passport for both. They can't deny me wherever I go. But I'm going to the States no matter what I look like, they can't deny me because I'm only using my Canadian, my U.S. passport. I'm going to come back to Canada. I'm not telling them that I have a passport for the States or vice versa. I show them the fucking Canadian passport. Right. Can't deny me. I know I look like somebody that you don't want to let in your country. But I'm a citizen. You don't have a choice. So it makes a big difference. You're like that. I didn't know you're in the States now. Yeah. Okay. All right. I mean, I, you know, it, you know, I have, I have, I have an uncle that does the same thing. He has Brazilian citizenship. Yeah. And he's, he's American as well. And so he, he, when he goes into Brazil, he uses the Brazilian. Yeah. When he comes back into the U.S. he uses American. So it looks like he never goes anywhere, but he's. Yeah. Constantly. Yeah. You know, and he just uses, you know, and so, but yeah, I just, I just remember, especially in the Windsor area because Detroit was right there. As, as the years in the 90s went on, they definitely started, you know, I don't know if you want to like what, what, you know, profiling, if you will, you know, had an image of like what hippies looked like or what herbs, smugglers looked like or what ravers looked like or, you know, what each, one of these groups was likely to have on them or whatever. You know, so I always, I always tell people that, you know, I kind of followed a certain mathematical equation for lack of better terms, right? The police know that what to look for, right? If, if you're in this industry. So there's going to be 90% of our community is susceptible to getting busted because of the way they look, the way they smell, the way they walk or talk, right? Just 5% on either side. The 5% of the people in this, in the movement or industry that never leave their house. They don't go to the grocery shop themselves. They send somebody to send somebody to go buy the fertilizer, go buy their seeds, go buy what they want. And then that person, whoever purchase this has no idea what, who the person is that place the order kind of thing. That person is never going to get busted. They, I mean, it's going to be very unlikely that they get busted. And then the other 5% is where I fall in. I stand on the street corner with a fucking six foot pot leaf with my dreads out in my Volkswagen going, I'm a fucking pot guy. Like they don't want that. They know who I am. They know what I'm doing. There's 90% of the other people out there are susceptible to fill their quota. Why the fuck do we want to drag in the dreadlock who's going to have the newspapers there? So they're like, we'll leave him alone. So I'm in that 5% on the opposite side. Because I literally had a six foot pot leaf in my front window. I literally did have pot plants growing in my front window. And for a certain time, my whole front window was full of fucking Payote and San Pedro's. That's so funny. Didn't you also do stuff like call the newspaper and they would run an article where you take him to like a cornfield? Oh, no, that was like CBC and I brought news agencies to my field like crops. Let me throw in a question before I lose the thread of it. When you met Kyle, did he have a strawberry cough then? Did you ever hear any of that? The cough came out of Connecticut, right? So those boys, do you know who those guys are? I know of them. I don't know. No, but I know of them. Basically, you know, this is another thing with Hank Douchebag. The cough, they named it. Like Kyle fucking said, you know, it makes them cough. It smells like strawberries, whatever the fucking deal was. So Kyle was with HT at the time. And he met the cough guys when I was still hanging around with him. Never got to meet them. They were different. I was actually, I had a warrant out for my arrest in Connecticut. So I wasn't going to go to Connecticut. There's no reason to be hanging out in Connecticut. There's no reason to be going fucking Connecticut. That's fine. It was a speeding ticket. So it was a 145 mile per hour speeding ticket. So I never fucking, I never went back and I was like, you know, whatever. But he told me about it. And it seemed like a great strain. Now I had strawberry diesel. And I was like, what strawberry are they using? Kind of thing. Like, you know, did you give him my strawberry by chance? Like, you know, what, what, you know, and I never really got down that. I never went down that rabbit hole to figure out what it was. But from what I understand, from what Kyle told me, he just like, they hit the money shot with a fucking, with a plant that produced this fucking fire pot. It was fucking phenomenal. And, and fucking, do you know what was in the strawberry diesel you were running at the time? No, no, no, just because it was that was it was brought to me as, yeah, because the cough itself did start in Connecticut. And I got introduced to it. It made its way out to Colorado through people who went from Connecticut to Colorado. Yeah. Kyle has always been a little bit, you know, he dances around origin stories because it's like one of the things that because he worked for high times, he got pretty well known for, you know. Yeah. And so as he's tried to become like a can of celebrity, some of the origin stories of the things that he's known for, he's gotten pretty, you know, pretty vague. Well, I mean, because the fucking douchebag, he sold the cough to fucking Hank. Right. That's why he's the strawberry cough seed was produced. Yeah. Is because fucking and I don't know if the Connecticut boys got even a piece of it. Right. Probably. Because and like when when Kyle and I when I dissolved my friendship with him was we in Amsterdam in the middle of one of these squares, me fucking screaming at him about him backstabbing me kind of thing over a common story. Yeah. And I was just like, what the fuck are you doing with you? Like, you know, he's a fucking skinny little Jewish kid from New York. He's from New York. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And and I was like, I know he did it to the cough boys, but you didn't know them. Right. They were just some fucking kids that you met that called you because they have some fucking great fucking pot. Yeah. He got Kyle got famous because of the Kyle special blend fucking picture. And he was like, what the hell is the name of the photographer? I don't remember the names of the photographers from Oh, I will remember for for a bit. I use a super fucking nice guy, super great guy. And that pissed me off. And then he tried to he tried to put like I was finished my first tour in Switzerland. And I was contemplating if I was going to do that because Steve is a hard person to fucking work with. They want red from this town. Right. Okay. So he I didn't know him when he lived here. But I met him through Steve before legends. Yeah. I don't know who I met first, actually. I think I don't know if I met, I don't know who I met them all around the same time, I think. Red and Jair, he called himself Kermit for a while. Were brokers, growers, not not breeding. Yeah. Legends started in Switzerland right like it started with the the Louis and and that was just a, you know, a freak thing that happened with the Ortega. That's what he said. Yeah. But so anyways. Yeah. So the I know that is Steve Steve's fucking wick is fucking this fucking long. Yeah. And if he if you if he's pissed off like when we were in Amsterdam and my fucking after sorry, my memory is fucked now, but is this the fast spear story? No fast spear is my fucking story. The fucker. He took my metal because of my fast fast fatty was the strain that Hank threatened to sue us over. Yeah. Right. Because he went back. Hank came through Switzerland saw heard that we were going to enter all these strains and he's like, well, I worked on these strains. So they're mine. He went back to fucking Amsterdam and registered all the fucking names. And when we showed up he at the dinner right before high times is all the with all the people. Yeah. And our table said, hey, listen, if you're thinking about entering these strains, I'm going to sue you unless you get and so red had to go up and make a side deal like, OK, we're going to give you a percentage. But the fucking douchebag, he wrote down fast fatty. I brought fast beer. Those guys hated fast beer. Fucking didn't mind anything dude. They were all ortega. They were all big fucking indica freaks. Yeah. They didn't fucking work in the field. You know, red did a little bit. But I was there for fucking months. You know, Papa bear came out there sat in the fucking hammock smoked joints and fucking with you know, and thought he was the fucking the king that we we bred sweet tooth. Yeah. Strawberry blond. The Louis. I think it was a we just basically we had a we had 30 maybe 600 watts in a room. Mainly we were just doing cuttings because the company was called Mr. Hemp that Steve was working with. And it was just it was right after they got busted for the selling pot to a minor. But we still had the we still the facility in Logano. And we ended up just taking a mail and smacking it against the fan in the corner. Yeah. And it pollinated the whole like you couldn't barely see through the fucking room. And so some of my seeds here some place called the blonde bastard and blonde bastard was was a strawberry blonde crossed and they didn't want to do anything with it. So I ended up keeping it. What was the strawberry blonde? Do you remember what was in there? This is what I remember with Steve is he he had a whole bunch of strains that were were good. And I like this here is big funk which is one of the strains and then the strawberry sorry, the sweet tooth number four. Gotcha. I'm pretty sure again, Steve would be better to understand it. And I think part of this is correct. And part of it might be just my interpretation of it. But I believe that he had a bunch of strains that were or he had he had one strain or he had a few strains that he thought were fucking great. Okay. And he found that fucking resonance blueberry mail. He crossed everything with it. Gotcha. Now it was my understanding is when he got the the sweet pink grapefruit cutting. Yeah. In California. Two cuttings came up to Vancouver. Vic, who I'm pretty sure that's the guy's name. Not sure he was. Didn't get the best reputation with the boys. Yeah. Vic High. One cut. And Steve got one cut. Are you talking about Vic High? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So but I don't know who he is. Okay. Well. You're good. You're really clear. Yeah. Right. But I have a feeling. Steve took that blueberry mail and the sweet and the sweet pink grapefruit and crossed them and then grew out a bunch of these different seeds and one became sweet tooth. One became big, big treat. One became, you know, a big funk. But that's not his original seeds. Big treat was one of them. Something bud. I know I haven't seen some place. I just don't know where the fuck they are. But I have a feeling that Steve ended up with a bunch of different phenos of that, those two strains. And that's what he started building his catalog off of. Yeah. And then, you know, the sweet tooth, which was one of his more favorite. I know he wanted to back cross it. Maybe to that same blueberry or to the grapefruit. And that kind of took different lines. Like, stuff like that. Yeah. So he had the, he had two different shish keberries. The red line. And the yellow. Yeah. And, you know, so I don't know, you know, did that come from a dip? Because that, you know, he was pretty famous for growing these big, huge, long fucking spears. Yeah. Shish keberries, right? There's a picture of his wife holding them and they're like fucking three feet long of just straight colas kind of. Yeah. You know, and I think, you know, so I have a feeling that maybe the, the seeds were all from the same, same crosses, but just different phenotypes. Yeah. That he started creating new lines. And I think the sweet tooth and the shish keberry were the ones that really stood out. The strawberry blonde, the big treat, the plum bud. I just saw that. It was a, yeah. That was a. And I know I have that too. I'm sure I have all these fucking seeds someplace. I'm blind as shit though. Plum. I see plum crossed a mighty mite. That was West Coast seeds, but where's the plum bud? It described it a little bit, saying that it smelled very fruity, but it didn't go into detail. No. What the hell is this? Gabriela Island. I got. Yeah. I would kill to see that collection. I bet you have some cool stuff in there that. I have no idea. I have no idea why. I think that's just because I keep track of everything, but I just write it down and not think about it anymore. Super. Yeah. You know, like this pungent skunk from legends, right? Like. What is that? I don't even fucking. We even sold that strain, right? You didn't know. No. And it was just one of the genetics that, you know, we grew out that we like. Um, this is from Camere. What the hell is this fucking strain? Calzaru. these aren't so that's a C four is like a Calio Calio. I like to see for it didn't produce worth of shit, but it fuck was good train. So like Calio Shiskeberry or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So again, you can't if I even bring up that name with Papa Bear, forget about it. Like a fucking it's like with red and and Steve, you just can't mention and those guys were brothers, like fucking back here, you know, I don't know. Steve, like, did you know him before you got invited to go to the Alps? No, I didn't. I knew him before then. First time I did opium, I was in his fucking at one of his places, fucking freaking out his hot tub. I didn't know how the fuck I met him. I mean, I was a pot guy here. He was from here. He probably got out there through Hillary. And he how did you get the invitation to go to Switzerland? Yeah, Steve's a picky guy. I mean, you had to have done something to leave an impression. I remember you told me that fucking guy paid me $2,100 a week to fucking go there. Jesus. Yeah, I was like that. And then it dropped down to and then fuck that Steve, right? I didn't get paid that much. Fucking pot in Switzerland as a Canadian. They're like, you know, oh, fucking the industry is not what it was. And you know, we're fucking I'm I brought all the fucking pot to Amsterdam from Switzerland. That's for the cop. Right. Yeah. And what kind of you know, I'm a little bent by it now. I guess I always have been but they were all ortega. They were not one and they didn't want anything to do with the fucking fast beer. Yeah, I was all fast beer, because I was in the field every day working. I couldn't smoke or take a fucking it would puddle me. Yeah, why would I was all about the fucking Night Queen and the fast beer. And now these strains are all strains from Neville. Yeah, these streets seeds came from little Eddie douchebag. Sorry, I don't like a lot of people. Which one? Eddie, which one? Like Dutchman? No. Oh, nobody likes him. Yeah. No, but so the deal was he was hired by Mr. Hem at the same time that Steve was. And he brought all these seeds that Neville owed him the story was never old him owed him a bunch of money. And instead of paying him he found a fucking box of seeds in the back of a freezer when he had to jump ship and gave him to Ed as payment partial payment, whatever. So those seeds ended up in Switzerland. They ended up in the field. And we had that's where the Neville that's where the the Night Queen the fast fatty fast beer ortega Neville's haze probably was from there. I don't think we had Neville's haze in our field. We had strains I never heard of. Right. These are all strains no one's ever heard of. God, yeah. Yeah, they were back in the freezer. They were a box that Neville sold to somebody. I meant I meant to talk to Neville about this before he passed that. And it was like five years ago, six years ago, I had another a new contact through the Mr. Hemp seed thing. And I never got a chance to talk to him about it. What do you want to ask him? It was more about the history of this box of seeds. Okay, and what year was a box of seeds? That's what I'm not sure. But I could tell you that they were still viable in in 2000. Yeah, 99 probably. The story was that somebody ordered these seeds, never picked them up. So they got forgotten about in the back of the freezer. When when time came for him to thought the freezer for whatever reason, he passed them on to Ed. For again, what I was told for an outstanding debt. Yeah. And Ed brought in Switzerland and Steve planted him and Steve planted him. And then Ed had a falling out with Peter with miss with with Mr. Hemp. And he was gone. And I was brought in to replace him. And I they actually gave me his phone. I still had his phone. When I got there, which I think is one of the reasons why because it was still in his name. And I was calling Canada and all over the fucking I was sitting in a field in the middle of the Swiss Alps. Yeah, why not? I was like, fuck it. Like, I don't particularly care for the guy anyways. Yeah. And so that's what that's what I heard. Did you did you have any old early pearl early girl silver pearl stuff? Yeah, back in the back in the early days of sensei. Yeah. And you see, this is the other thing that again, you know, we hear so many stories. And, you know, regardless of who the stories are from, you know, we went out to dinner with the drunkards a few times. sativa sisters. God, Jesus, beautiful girl. Oh, she's out of the business. No, she's still in the business a little bit. The Amsterdam Seed Company. Okay. They were out of Canada, though, right? Yeah, out of BC. Yeah, I have their catalogs. Karen, Karen, Karen was a blonde and then big tit with the black gray hair that sold everybody out. I forget her name. She's kind of still in the big tit. Yeah, she's got big teeth. She was Karen's partner in the Amsterdam. She's infamous out in the in the in the seed industry. What were you going to say about the pearl and the okay, so back back then when it wasn't the sensei seed bank, it was just the seed bank. Yeah, yeah, right. So that would be before Neville sold his stuff to sensei. It was just yeah, yeah, so it would have been Neville. Now I thought it was a partnership between Neville and Ben. That was that was after seat bank. I thought that was that's what brought the end of the seat bank. I thought it was that's when sensei seed started. I don't what was it the bus that that made Neville sell to the drunkers? I don't know. I don't know. I just know that basically the story almost basically the story was told that Neville was the breeder for a sensei seat bank. He did breed for them for a little bit. So but you know, it was all of his genetics. Yes, that he was breeding. Yeah. So when when the first catalogs were coming out of the sensei seed bank, you had early pearl, you had silver pearl in them. We loved it. Because yeah, again, we were dealing with genetics that were from Neville. These are these are the original fucking strains. Like I mean, other than like the skunk in the northern lights. Yeah, you know, we were who I just had the name to fuck. That's damn it. Okay. There was a coffee shop who's who entered the sweet tooth? Before Steve was like gray area or someone? No, was it gray or bluebird? Bluebird cafe? Yeah, what who owned that? Do you know? Catzoo bird? Catzoo bluebird? I don't know who owned that. I think it was bluebird. I should look it up. But anyways, that's the one that Steve tried it was gonna fireball. Because we're talking about like Steve's fucking temper. Yeah, it was Ariane and and Luke and everybody else that was trying to and the drunkers are trying to calm him down because they entered wasn't bluebird. They entered the can they entered sweet tooth in the cannabis cup. And without Steve's knowledge or permission. Oh man, I mean, it was it was a coffee shop, though. It was no, it was it was both they had a coffee shop. See, but they were also a seed company. Barney farm electronics. Barney's farm. Barney's. Barney made it. Barney's sold. They still sell sweet tooth. Yeah. Yeah. So it was barney. But see the should have done it the that guy's like fucking from what we were told again from the other guys, big fucking Netherlands mafia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Harry. Yeah. And they were like, you gotta tell him Steve, you can't do it. If you go there, you know, it's he's gonna kill you. It's gonna be fucking you fuck. Because Steve is a big guy. Yeah, I'd never seen him fight. But I wouldn't want to see him fight. Yeah, he would fight in a fucking heartbeat. Yeah. And, you know, so But yeah, fighting fighting the mob is not like, no, it's just like he wasn't gonna be afraid. He was gonna go in there and literally firebomb the fucking place. Like he was like, fucking really fuck Gary sucks. kind of shit. Right. So, so anyways. So again, this is like, again, we're, you know, we're like, fucking the elders sitting in the teepee trying to regurgitate stories. And we kind of go by what we're what we hear and what we're told kind of thing. Some of us get to witness it firsthand. Some of us hear it regurgitated once or twice. And we never know. So that's why like, with, like I say, with those seats from, you know, this fast spear, this night queen, you know, this fast fatty these and there was a whole bunch of other fucking strains in there that, you know, I was I was told this story and it anybody that I reach out to and hear pieces from they kind of connect a little bit. They kind of sound similar. So about them being seeds from Neville and stuff like that. Yeah. For the time most was based on his is one of the things that Neville mentions a bunch is that it seems like 90% of what he made he never released in the sense that he had strains that he liked that got put on the catalogs but he'd make hybrids of all kinds of things. Right. And only a tiny percentage of those things ever got offered up an actual sale. We wouldn't. We wouldn't breed. I wouldn't breed anything without somebody else's permission. Yeah. Unless it was a publicly, you know, available and anybody can buy seats from like sexy bank. You know, I would breed and not think about now with Luke, I wouldn't do that because you know, he's very particular. Well, he's he's small and same as you know, so the small one same as Soma. Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't breed any of his stuff unless I would, you know, I kind of asked him kind of thing. And even with this, like with all my genetics, my B 93, I don't want to I can't sell that strain. Like people I was offered a lot of money for it. I'm working out a deal right now to trade somebody for it. But it's going to be and it's just because I want Sam skunk. I have an opportunity to get the one of the original skunk one cuts back. Oh, nice. When we were and Sean, you I think you in town with that fucking that epileptic asshole kid. Yeah, which one? Tilly. So this is just this kid that thrills was yeah, so he was brought to me by the TCC the Toronto Compassion Center said, Listen, we have this kid. He's he's a good grower. But he's mixed up with the wrong people. We need to get him out of this town. Can you take him? Got him and his mom and his sister to London, set him up in an apartment, set up a garden the whole bit turned out to be a great gardener. But it went to his head and then ship course. Yeah, that that original story never finished. I think he's still dwelling in that reality where he was always a go super big kind of guy and then getting in in business with really bad people and it would always go very, very, very bad. West like as soon as you left here because it happened over and over and over, you know, and like he would always be like, like when when he would get fucking destroyed, he'd be like, I'm never growing again. I'm never growing again. And then he's like buying or he's involved in these like giant farm chicken coop filled, you know, like, it's you know, when I when I met him, we he was because of his and his mom, I loved his mom and his sister. But they had no control. So they would, we would grow, he would grow a bunch of pop for the center, I would give them a receipt. And then I would give them a certain amount every week or every month. Because if I gave all the money to tell you, which I did in a few times, he went out and literally bought $200 with a candy. Yeah, and I go home and come to his house. And he's like, I was like, where's the money you supposed to pay your hydro bill? Oh, fuck, man. He's like, he's literally had bags of fucking candy. And his mom, you know, well, not just that. But I remember the dude would be like stretches, long stretches of time where all he would eat is like lobster dipped in butter or something like that. Like he was just that type of guy that was like, it was always extreme. Like that was after me because I didn't allow that then he started hanging out with egg boy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. They got fucking busted in my truck. Yeah, which 480 plants or something. And I get sucked into it. My dad got sucked into it because it was his truck, you know, and I was just like, and then they drop off a vehicle because we switched vehicles. Turns out to be stolen. Right. So I'm driving around in a stolen fucking Jeep Cherokee. Oh, that's really fucking douchebags. But that's the whole reason the story. He had we had him growing the black domino and the skunk one and this skunk one, I had, again, it just landed in my lap through all these connections, I would imagine it would have came from the early sensei days. Yeah, but it was that fucking real skunk. And it was a fine Dutchman. I think it was his name, Scott, that makes fine Dutchman's Eddie, Eddie, right? Yeah. And he was a common name. Yeah. So he was supposed to be one of the original skunk sellers of the sea. Yeah. Yeah. And so he had like some of the more pure genetics. His word called the pure. Yeah. You know what, I just saw that here too. Yeah, you have an old sensei skunk one pack in there. No, I have the old pure. Oh, you have the pure. I still have an old pack of pure myself. Yeah, probably not as old as yours though. Not so missed out on some of the seed pack showing. You missed out, bro. I did. Yeah, there's some cool stuff. Did I just lose you? I just hit a button on my fucking computer. No, you're good. Black actually black domino was out of anything that I personally popped from Amsterdam as far as seeds that were available to the public. That was the nicest thing I personally found. Do you remember the description? They were like, it would leave a man feeling whipped and something like the description that the that the boys put in their full blooded indica with large racks will soon have you on your knees and begging for more. Yeah, overpowering lady simply gushes sticky resin to which most men seem to have a fatal attraction. A word of warning this powerful compact indica has had devastating effect on many a man leaving them apparently beaten and whip with a strange smile on their faces. Not so usually looks like this after he gets done with the conversations with me though. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. And when we when Ron was doing the Canadian cannabis cups here in town, and we had the Red Devil, I kind of stole that kind of mantra from from that to describe the Red Devil. Yeah, make it up a bunch. It was a fucking fire strain. It was great strain. It was a bunch of bullshit that I was saying. But I love that the first time I saw Red Devil, I believe it was greenhouse that came out with that or at least they were the first people to sell public seeds of it. Yeah, see the Red Devil I ended up getting was from an alcoholic guy that was a good grower from around here. But Red Devil, yeah, greenhouse, it's in your catalogue. And yeah, Afghani Afghan scone. And I've always wondered if if like, Shanti doesn't still so we've I've never known it, but like if, if, you know, if he tries to sell a version of that, based on, you know, because he sells devil, but they've never explained what the fuck it is. Right. Yeah, I heard about the devil, but I don't know if it's and again, the Red Devil was a cutting brought to me. Sure. And it we just had a fucking great Fino of it. And I was friends with fucking crazy Ron, that hidden jungle, which was a seed company in one of the original seed companies actually, it was before iron iron seeds. But but yeah, we entered the Red Devil in his canvas cup and one first place. You know, I fixed it. Did you keep much Willie Jack stuff around? No. Yeah, that he was one that was doing like a lot of early girl and black down the repro's black. He was from around here too, right? But he did his breeding in he was from Ontario, but he is breeding in Montreal. It's Willie Jack. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Okay, Willie Jack. Yeah. Did you ever see Willie Jack how he did his fucking breeding? I know nothing about Willie Jack. I get a lot of questions about him. Yeah, I bet want to like literally, I did a lot with the Quebec Seed Company. Yeah, that was his fucking guy. And again, I can't remember his name, but he did a cannabis cup there as well. And Willie would basically in his backyard along his fence line. Again, this is what I was told. He would grow a male and a female and then five feet, 10 feet apart, another a different male and different female. That's about right. Yeah. So you were buying a seed and his seed was 30 bucks for mixed packs. Yeah, but he was saying, Oh, this is Northern Lights. Oh, this is this train. This is this train. It's like, no, it's not. He has no fucking clue. It might have some of that in it. Be honest with the people. You're only charging $30 a fucking 10 pack. Yeah, you don't need to make shit up. Yeah, you know, fucking tell people that this is what I did. Just how I breed it. I'm only charging you 30 bucks. You know, but I didn't I didn't like him. I didn't think I thought he was kind of dishonest. Well, yeah, I mean, if that's if that's how he was doing his shit, it's obvious that like, you know, the cross pollination is going to occur. You know, that's not cool. So what's what are some of the posters behind you? Before I forget? Oh, this is a chemo. I've seen before that the the one chemo. And now I think it's the fuck, I don't even remember. I know one of them went pink. And I'm pretty sure it was the Ottawa cut that went pink. Could be the UBC one. But basically, the auto one one is probably just a UBC that was poly. This is a spice of life strain tube. I don't know who the fuck Eric is. So this is, so let me just get the CPAC back in there. And I don't mind sending you a bunch of these seeds if you want to fucking try it. Yeah, me and a me and a good friend will try reproducing anything happily. It's so fucking cool. UBC chemo or chemo poster. Yeah, it was a fucking centerfold in items. Oh, no shit. I'm just gonna pick this up. So this here is where's the camera? There we go. There we go. So this here is the berry berry. Oh, nice. So and it actually says it in the upper corner. And then sorry, I have to try to get this. So this here is the chemo that and might be the Ottawa because it's pink pistol. Yeah, I think I think it is. And I can, you know, this is what I've been told but it's super nice because it's super pink. Yeah, it's beautiful. I have tons of fucking photos of it. You know, I told people for years like chemo sounded cool. But like, and everybody always said they liked it, but the name always turned me off. Yeah. Well, again, the theory that the the history was like the G 13, that it came out of California, and it was used for medical patients that were chemo, right? And then maybe the cut came out of piece out of California might have been called something else. Yeah, got to UBC. They were using it maybe for medical for chemo patients. That's how it got its name. But I was just told that, yeah, it got its name from the UBC. So this also, this was another centerfold. It's fuck, it's hard to see because of the layer layer. What is this one? That's also berry berry. And yeah, so you can't really see it, maybe better that way. But it was like, it was a go to strain for me for a long time. Yeah, because it was just it was so interesting. One thing I'll say about this chat is because it we wildly bounce around. There's like all kinds of things that I think of that I want to chat about. And then by the time that I want to urge Don to some different year, totally different people, whatever. It's amazing in that regard, because we're covering so much ground. But you said your friends with red, right? Yeah, yeah, we've got it. Awesome. And that's with the fast spear. That's in with his no shirt on. This fucking guy, he showed up to the field. I'll see if I can find pictures. And you take a picture of that later and send it to me. Yeah, so there was Matt, there was this, we I used to go to these harvest festivals in the early 2000s. Yeah. And there was this guy, Matt knows who he is. There was this guy chip that started Royal Gold, Matt. And he had just been out to Switzerland. I think it was an 01 maybe or something. And so I remember the first time I saw pictures like you were mentioning of those fields and hectares and huge greenhouses and all that. He came back with all these photos on his computer of all these people in Switzerland that it were just starting to blow it up. And at the time, it was the largest. Yeah, because there was an increase, they would do it under a row with every so we had this is one of this is a field here one of the fields. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Yeah. And it was for aromatherapy. That's kind of a that's a harvest day, some of them. I remember way back then when you were out there, somebody showed me a picture because you weren't around. And it was you sitting in an armchair. Oh, I had flower up to your knees. Yeah, all you seen in the frame was like flower up to your knees. For the young people watching now that are like in their in their 20s, looking at this and they're yeah, that's what we did. We had terracotta floors. And we didn't have enough place to hang it. So if you the funniest thing is on the on the table there, there's only two sets of scissors. We didn't know what we had to harvest all the tops. So we went through the field harvested all the tops, brought them back and we're like, we can't even hang them. There's not a say so we just laid them all terracotta and we just went in and rotated them every day. And that's me sitting in the chair. I mean, for people like Matt was saying for people that are younger, I think Switzerland, for the most part, was the first time that it was like us seeing like non landrace type pictures of, you know, people actually growing on that large of a scale. Yeah, I mean, I don't see so bad. Like, people are used to seeing big CBD grows here is what I'm saying. Like people are age or used to seeing these massive hemp grows and stuff. But people during that era, you would never fucking see this. So it was really it was a really unique time. It was a very special time. And for that era, like people in the US seeing stuff like this was mind blowing at the time. Yeah, see this year, that's we had a company in town called Novaks. And you're supposed to take your bag into different parts of the world and enter it in a contest, right? Yeah. And I basically got the most votes, but they can't they because it wasn't legal. I got fucking the boot. There was a do you know Felix? Oh, yeah, I'll see. Yeah. Owl. Yeah. Yeah. So this is his field in Switzerland. Wow. One of the things he had. He had such shooting plans. I mean, super nice. Yeah. Yeah, his like his this is his what his field looked like. You know, have any of his stuff saved? Don't think so. He used to supply so impossible to get. It's so impossible to get in the US because he just never shipped here. So it was like in the distributors. Yeah. Oh, so this is a sweet tooth garden. Oh, very cool. That's what we we sorry for the fucking. No, I see. Yeah, I've seen that picture before I think that's a great picture. Yeah. And so that I don't know if we probably some of this is on your Instagram. Like I think that one is there's there's a few of the Switzerland. That's a kid. That's the skunk one on this side. Oh, wow. And the skunk one. And he's really down. Yeah. So that's the black story. So dark picture. Yeah, he has the black domino. Yeah. But before you offload that, let us know so we can make sure that thing stays alive forever. Oh, no, I have it. I'm sending it right now to the guy for the skunk one cut. So I'm giving him the the the B 98, the widow 95 and the B 93 would be nice because it was our northern light. So yeah, so this was my version of northern lights. And if you look at the size, that's a four inch cube. Wow. Yeah. And they were just like when you see the the sizes of the nugs. That's what I picture. Like, it was like, it was the best sea of green plant and it was and it was an L like, was it a pure NL? I don't know. But it looks a lot like what I would picture the NL five cut looking like. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I thought it was just you know, it was yeah, it was just a phenomenal kind of thing. So there's another one of red fucking boat to lose. That's funny, dude. Yeah, he's fucking. That's him. But we would we had such this is in Switzerland too. So we had such a fucking good time. I bet that's when everybody loved everybody. Yeah, and when he when that guy first showed up the fucking Switzerland, fucking guy sees the field, he gets all excited. He goes home and he shaves from his like shoulder down to his wrist back of his hand, shaved his entire arm both sides. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He's like, dude, I'm running through the field with my arms out. And I'm gonna make hash. He wanted finger rub. He made it like fucking 10 feet, 20 feet, lost his breath. Couldn't get a fucking quarter of a fucking gram off of him. But his arms are shaved. And he was done. I was like, you got to be fun. Like, it was a good thought, good effort. He literally did shave his fucking arms. But I don't think you got a single fucking grandma hash kind of thing. So we made it about two hours in right now. There I know there's so much more we can cover. But we can do a part two. Yeah, I was hoping actually that we could have you back and we could we could see if we can get kicked back. Yeah, yeah, or or maybe even Chris Clay also as an option, because I know that we can like I mentioned before, there was about, I don't even know how many questions or how many follow ups I could think of while you were talking about stuff. And then we just tangent it off onto something totally different. I'm sorry. Which is amazing. No, you don't have to apologize. I have ADHD too. So it's okay. If you read my book, like I can eat up. I can send you a copy if you need or I need a signed copy. There's very extreme of consciousness, which I liked, you know, yeah, it was my book is written that way because I wrote it as if I'm having a conversation. And I had to hire somebody to listen to me, take notes, and then try to put it in fucking order. You're probably a lot of time when I talk, it's not in perfect order. And I'm looking at it going, because I smoked a lot of pop back then I was like that have and I remembered happening this way. And then another story that crosses with it, doesn't line up perfectly. Fuck, I don't know. But I did make a huge mistake in my book. And it wasn't my mistake. It was a misprint where it says that I grew a cannabis cup winning strain, which I did. It was a fast beer. It was my fucking, not my strain. But I grew it. I'm I was the one that chose to enter it in the cup. Those guys didn't want anything to do with it. Yeah, I knew it was going to win because the it was honor the goddess, which was all the female judges. I got hired by sativa sisters, Karen, she flew me to Amsterdam just to be a fucking jiggler guy slut. Because I fucking have a good time and I like fucking females and I'm boy and I got laid a lot. It's why that's why we relate so well. We're now we're now speaking Sean's language. He's just fucking it's because of that. You know, all the all the growers out there now know that you can get laid and be a grower. It is. It was it going to cut off in two hours. I don't know. Okay. Sagarmoth. I don't think so. I still he brought this beautiful hot fucking yoga girl from Texas to work his booth. And he was all stoked. You know, he's gonna get some that chick. I took her home. I took her back to my hotel. And then I was like, I don't want to leave yet. I was like, I got no place to stay. I never made I never made made my return flights. So she's like, oh, you can just stay with me. I was like, what are you saying? She's like, oh, one of Tony's places. And I was like, God, do you think this guy who flew you there, paid for all your shit is going to be okay with me coming to fuck you in his place? Yeah, right, right? Tony, Tony, you know, Tony's a rock star. Yeah, right? Tony's a fucking, well, I'm the coolest, cutest fucking Sebastian Bach wannabe. Yeah, he had like long hair, very beautiful mane. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I was like, and here comes this fucking, you know, ready, New York dread and I had fucking you saw the pictures. My dreads were not fucking anything to write home about at that point. I was sleeping in a field for the last fucking two months. I was like, I was eating off of a dirt floor. I like, you know, and I was fucking the hottest chicks kind of thing just a simple farm hand. Yeah. So but yeah, so yeah, sorry about that. Like I do when I do talk, I down different veins and Oh, no, I wasn't I wasn't criticizing. I was just simply saying that like, as you talk about a bunch of different stuff, there's like different things I wanted to go off on and something totally else interesting. And so yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. Yeah, you got to take you got to take notes as we're talking. Yeah, by the way, it kept recording. This is what I want to talk because I'm the same way. I'm just like, I want to talk about that. It's fucking awesome. 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