 Okay, we're back here live at the Fluent Conference at Silicon Angles, exclusive coverage with theCUBE, our flagship program, we go out to the events restricted ceiling from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of Silicon Angle. I'm joined by co-host Jeff Frick, and we're here with Jake Spurlock, the author of Bootstrap, the book on how to get up and running, and these new programming languages are a big part of the conference here, giving more tools to the developers, tooling, general platform services, and just other techniques. And our first ever CUBE guest that we're wearing, Google Glass. Jake, you are our first milestone, this is our fourth season with theCUBE. We've interviewed thousands of executives, developers, entrepreneurs, and you are the first to have the Google Glass on, and I'm proud to say that I gave mine to my high school senior who's loving it. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you, gotta be here. So first, the Google Glass, what's your take on it, before we talk about the Bootstrap? You know what I, I think it's totally sci-fi. Like it's, it's bonafide science fiction, and it's, it does some really cool things right now, but the thing that I think about it is it's, it's gonna allow so many things in the future, you know? I'm totally sold on it, like, I think it's really cool. Yeah, I am too, I think for all the people who don't understand it, it thinks it looks goofy, it's the future, it is. And I told my son when I gave it to him, I said, son, before I give you this, which is coolest thing you've ever seen, I want you to go to Google and I want you to search Apple One, and he did, and he looked at Apple One, and it was basically wood, and it was a circuit board, I go, isn't that elegant? That is not what the Mac looks like today, look how far it's come, and to me, Google Glass represents that future of what is possible, and personally, your phone will be your base station for your life, your Fitbit will connect it, it'll connect all your personal devices, wearable computer, augmented reality, a software developer's dream, and really, everything. I mean, wearable this, and even though Tim Cook was kind of down on it, because he's not as far as, as long as Google my opinion, but that's my commentary, but that really kind of ties us into the show here, right? So Fluent is evolved from JavaScript, which is, we all know what JavaScript has done and is doing, on the front end, for web experiences, but now, the user experience and user expectations evolving to sci-fi with Glass, and everything in between, real time, server side, edge, multiple responsive design, agile, mobile, these things are coming together, and it's serious software engineering, combined with rapid development. So what's, do you agree with all that, and what's your take on it? No, I totally agree with it, you know, to your point, like, I work for Make Magazine, and Make Magazine is all about making things, and I think that that really kind of aligns with what Google Glass is, it allows you to like, this wearable computing, I think is a, it's kind of this brave new world, like, you know, when we can quantify things, when you can quantify like, tell me steps you take in the day, who you're meeting at a conference, what you're, you know, like, you know, even taking pictures, it's just kind of a, it's this primary thing, like, everything should be able to take a picture, so you can document your, and you know, add history to, you know, to your own personal history, and I think that's a really beautiful point. So Jake, that's interesting, and we want to talk about the future, but the real question everybody wants to know in the audience, at least I always do, when a new Riley book comes out, is how did you pick the horse? Well, what's the process for the animals on the O'Reilly books? The crazy thing about it is I had really no say in it, and it just kind of showed up. I actually, I signed all the contracts and everything for the book, and about, like, literally three weeks into the process, I had maybe two pages written, I got an email saying, here's your cover, and I was like, wow, a horse, you know, like, that's a cool animal, so, I was thinking it'd be kind of funny if it was like, like, I can't like bears, I think bears are cool, so I was like, really cool if it was a bear book, you know, or like, really funny if it was like some kind of farm animal, like a chicken, or, you know, like an ass, you know, like something just kind of stupid. I don't know if you want the ass on there, but my boss used to say the south end of a horse going north, but. But then it was a horse, and I was like, that's totally cool, like, and it's, it says in the back of the book, the colophon, it's the fin horse, which is a horse that was bred in Finland for, to be a good, like, general all-purpose horse, like a racing horse, a farm horse, and I think that's kind of, that's kind of what Bootstrike is. It can be an application that fits many different needs, whether like, you're doing application development, or like blogs, or, you know, admin interfaces, or different things like that, Bootstrike's it. So talk about Bootstrike, for the folks out there, just give a quick overview of the product and the book itself and the objective, I mean, because Dave Weiner wrote the intro and Dave's well-respected with scripting.com, it's been a legend, you know, and a pundit and a developer, and he always, he builds a lot of prototypes. You know, Dave's been criticized for not building stuff that doesn't scale, but that, again, you know, that's not really what he does. He's a tinkerer, he loves to build, and he builds a lot of great stuff and builds good stuff all the time, so a lot of the creativity comes from this prototyping, so why Bootstrike and what's the different approach? So Bootstrike is actually a product that came out of Twitter. The Twitter engineers, they have all of these different products and platforms, and they found that, you know, like, Web Development 101, when you start a new project, there's a lot of groundwork that has to be done, you know, writing what forms look like, what tables look like, creating a grid system, dealing with typography and things like that. Once I said, we need to find a way to, like, standardize our internal tool set. Like, this is what a Twitter website should look like. And so as they standardize their tools across all of these different Twitter, like, internal Twitter sites and some of their external stuff, they found that they were building a platform that, in theory, was bigger than Twitter. This is a platform that could be of use for, I mean, everybody starts on a project like that. So they created the code and then they open-sourced it, they put it up on GitHub, and it's since actually become, it's the most popular project on GitHub. It's got more stars, it's been worked more times, and it's become a foundation for, you know, thousands of websites across the internet. And it's cool because it's just HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And so as such, it can be, you know, added to any other platform, like, oh, you have a WordPress site, well, Bootstrap would be a good fit for it. You have, you know, a Rails app that you're building, great. And the cool thing about it too is, at its core, it's based on a responsive framework. So out of the box, you have, you know, smartphone and tablet and even widescreen support for building different applications in different things. So like, you look at a guy like Dave Weiner, who likes to tinker, like, Dave has an idea, like, well, I wanna build some kind of new outlining tool. I don't wanna spend time building the front end, I just wanna build the tool, the core technology behind it. And, you know, and then I can just toss Bootstrap on top of it so it's starting to line up the application for it. Yeah, I mean, it's great for, I mean, it's great for creativity, why, you know, people get caught in doing the right coding, the process of coding, their creativity is kind of impinged by that. So here, it's a good creative process for those developers. So I gotta ask you about the Maker Faire. Obviously you're involved in a lot of cool things, cross the board from, honestly, right in the book and being on the coding side and prototyping, but also, you know, tinkering and building kind of, you know, weird and cool stuff, right? The future, and so I gotta ask you, what's the coolest thing you've seen this year at Maker Faire? At Maker Faire? Yeah. Oh man, it's tough. It's cool because, you know, I worked as a web developer for Maker Media and so I kind of look at a lot of the guts of like our websites and stuff like that, so like, I find myself like refreshing the exact same page that makes your layouts and everything work, but it was just so cool to see somebody like actually get to the fair and see all of the different exhibits and presentations and things like that. One of my favorite things, it's kind of an old school thing. It's not electronics or anything, but it's this group of guys actually up in Santa Rosa. It's the Fun Bike Unicorn Club. And, One more time, the Fun Bike Unicorn Club. Fun Bike Unicorn Club. All right, okay. Or F-Buck, as they go by. But they built, it's my favorite thing at Maker Faire. They were there last year and then this year again, but they have a thing called the Whiskey Drome. And the Whiskey Drome is in essence a whiskey barrel that's about 20 feet in diameter and about five feet high. And what they do is they ride their bikes around on the inside of it. So like, old school carnival style, like. Like inside the cage with the motorcycles. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it's guys on this bike and the Whiskey Drome, you know. Just totally wild. On bicycles or motorcycles? On bicycles. Yeah, on bicycles. Wow, those go really fast. They go pretty quick. That's a lot of horsepower. It's a lot of fun, so. I don't know, I just think this whole thing of Bootstrap and coming out of Twitter and this kind of mix up, but if you will, if you start your software company, you use open source tools, then you build a really cool commercial product and then you say, wow, I actually have more than the application that we built. We actually have some platform stuff that other people want. And then you put that back out into the open source community and watch it grow again. It's just an infectious thing. We cover a lot of different events. This is kind of a cool developer event where you can see some of the cool coding and the engineering, software engineering side of it. We've got a lot of infrastructure events, a lot of big vendor and the enterprise side events. If you look at all the most killer stuff happening right now that's decimating the landscape of incumbent vendors has come from the hyperscale market. So you saw Facebook, Google, you see Hadoop, you see Google file system. These open source projects have driven because no one else, there's nothing around. Commercial off the shelf software hasn't evolved for this hyperscale market or something of all web scale, but I call it hyperscale. Twitter's a great example. I'm sure they're all saying we got to build better stuff because we can't be reinventing libraries and reusing code and or those licensing issues. Do you see the same thing and does that book relate into some of those stories when you were researching it? Yeah, a little bit. My book's more of a pragmatic approach to actually how to use bootstrap and things like that, but I totally concur and we see great tools. We use a lot of internal tools that Twitter has built and that Google has built so now that they've open sourced we can find them and use them. We like to use Bower, which is a package manager that was developed over at Twitter and was actually mentioned in the keynote today as one of the great, like, it's a package installer for the web, you know? So where back in the day you would have something, you know, you know, like app or something like that on, you know, for doing package installations for Linux but now it's like, you know, most people are on a Mac or they're on a PC, you know, doing web development, they want a similar development experience so they can use open source tools from Twitter and from Google. So we had a tweet that came in that we asked Peter the same thing, hey, Fluent Conference, that's you, well, you, us. But you're a really good one to answer this question. Anyone care to argue that responsive web design and agile design development can play together? I am buying it. Some commentary coming in, totally depends on who the designer is. So again, it brings up this notion of, you know, what responsive web design is, which you're used to seeing a lot or refreshing pages and agile is really more of a methodology, right? So talk about that dichotomy to the question and then try to compare and contrast that there's a web and mobile because that's a big debate right now. Can you apply agile techniques to mobile? And we've, I've seen some companies won't say their names fail by pushing too many updates during the tire kicking phase of a mobile app where web you can push all day long over the weekend. So can you comment on the responsiveness versus agile? Can they play well together? And two, how does mobile play into all this? Sure, like, and I don't know if I'm the best person to talk about agile development because we're not the best, I'm not the best. Well, the concept, it means the concept. But like, we take agile development and we say like for our mobile, you know, for our web apps and say like, we're in the constantly deploy mode. That's how we work at make. And so like, we have 10 deploys a day or so, you know. I like to think that we're agile in the sense that we're constantly pushing new code to our code base, that's fine. And with that, like, I mean, camera responsively well with that, like, you know, responsive is just, it's just an endpoint. Like, if your goal in the beginning was to say like, well, this is this responsive website that we want to build, or this responsive web app or something like that, you can be doing that and have it be agile, so it's just, it's just what you're building to make this. So talk a little bit about the, kind of the citizen developer. And as these tools mature and using open source and more and more of kind of the setup and kind of the pain in the butt stuff to get going is taking care of in bulk. I mean, are you seeing the rise of citizen developer or more people now who don't, you know, kind of come from that traditional background getting into, and is this a great thing? I think so, like, I mean, I started out, I guess, as a citizen developer saying, you know, like, I've never worked for like the big enterprise development, you know, environment. Like, in fact, at Make, we just hired a couple more developers and like, wow, I have to work with a team now. And it's not just going to be me. It's going to be interesting, you know, like. And I think that that's interesting, you know, like, I think that the tools, like, I mean, as Make, you know, we, you know, we do millions and millions of page reviews every month and for, you know, two years now, it's just been me. And I think that anybody can be a web developer. Anybody can, has access to Amazon web services or, you know, like, you know, huge blogging platforms that make it easy to develop large sites that can hit millions of people without, you know, like, NIT departments and without, like, sysad maids and things like that. So, you know, I think that their future is unmotivated. The future is unmotivated. And you can have Google Glass. You can have Google Glass even. You can automate all kinds of things. So you've been recording this whole thing on the Google Glass. That's what I got to know. I have a funny story that's about Google Glass real quick. So we're, this is the Hilton Hotel that we're staying in and we're the conferences. And I went to check in last night and the girl at the front desk said, it was that Google Glass. Yeah, and she was kind of starstruck. It was kind of funny. And she's like, are you recording me right now? I'm like, no, of course not. You know, like, that would be poor for her. And then I said to her, Does it have a little red light though? Is there any external indicator? You can see if it's lit up though. And so I said, you know, I think it's kind of funny. I wonder if I get better customer service when people know that I have Google Glass because they're wondering, you know, like, is you recording me? Is this going to go to my posse? Integrated with Yelp. If your head's going up, it automatically gets more stars My son's first video, he wanted to have a little boxing match. I'm like, okay, I'll teach you a life lesson. And he posted it because he can share it right to Google Plus. Thank God he doesn't have a lot of people on Google Plus. Because I tripped over the sleeping bag in his room, which he claims that that was not there. But he gets his hands up like in cod. So it's funny, his first gesture in glass is first person shooter. Right, right. Which is what he knows, right? He's 18. That's what he knows. Very interesting. He started chasing with the chains off. To your point about this augmented reality. And so I've been watching him and interested with his friends. And every single person in his peer group, these aren't just geeks either. He's like, you know, his athlete friends and his geek friends. They all love it. They're all like, wow. They're all like very, very intrigued by it and provocative, it's very provocative. So I got up in it to a suite on the 18th floor, for, it was nice. I guess there aren't so much. So there you go. Go out and get Google Glass and you too can get it upgraded to the suite on the floor. That's great. The book is Bootstrap and it's available on a Riley Media Bookstore and then they can buy it on the website. Amazon. Amazon all over. Get it if you're prototyping and you're creative. This is what you want to use. Again, it's an easy read. Jake Spurlock, web developer. Bring it down to the hill in the next few days. Jake will sign it for you. Web developer, maker media, maker fair. Supposed to a lot of things. Built by Twitter. So again, good track record, great concept. This is theCUBE at O'Reilly Fluent Conference. Tweet us at hashtag Fluent Conference at Furrier. F-U-R-R-I-E-R. Have any questions? Watch all day long. We are bringing live exclusive coverage to theCUBE from SiliconANGLE here at O'Reilly Media's Fluent Conference today and tomorrow. We'll be right back with our next guest after this short break.