 It was very, very hard to build muscle with low testosterone. It's also very hard to lose muscle with high testosterone. So you'll see with like athletes and stuff that use testosterone and diet, they'll be able to preserve muscle. Anyway, the reason why I'm saying this is when your body is trying to build muscle, it'll take its hormones and organize it in a way to do that. And part of that is raising testosterone and making the testosterone more available, meaning more free testosterone and also increasing androgen receptor density. And also this happens as a direct result of building muscle, increasing insulin sensitivity. Uh, muscle is a very insulin sensitive tissue. It stores carbohydrates as well. Uh, and it'll, it has a profound effect. One of the easiest ways to optimize your hormones is to simply lift weights, build muscle, the process of building muscle organizes your hormones in a way, or it tends to, at least in a way to build muscle. What does that mean? Higher levels of anabolic hormones, better insulin sensitivity, a better balance of estrogen and progesterone, higher testosterone and men. So again, if you want to optimize your hormones, start lifting weights to build muscle, get stronger. Your body will do that. Great equalizer. How fine of a dance do you think this is? Oh, you over train. It goes in the opposite direction. That's what I mean. Yeah. So like you, you like, is it a very fine line? You think like, do you think that like everybody has the difference between building and not building, right? So if your body is, is building muscle and getting stronger, the way, part of the way it does is, is it takes its hormones and it, it, it changes them and modifies them to do so. Same thing with losing muscle. Like if you over train, or let's say you just do tons of cardio and you starve yourself, your body will also organize its hormones in a way to pair muscle down, right? To slow your metabolism down. So, so again, uh, getting healthier generally optimizes hormones, but only strength training has been shown across the board to have this effect and it doesn't just have this effect on hormones. It also increases the amount of androgen receptors that you have available, which is what the, like testosterone attaches to. So literally it's like, your body is like, let's become anabolic and give you a youthful hormone pros profile so we can build some muscle. You know, I've understood this for a really long time, but never did I feel it until I went through that whole coming off of steroids from after competing for, right. I consistently took testosterone, synthetic testosterone for like almost five years there, like nonstop, no breaks, five years straight. And then I, and I came off and I didn't cut cold turkey, even just, you know, weaning off over the course of five, six months and then going to nothing, uh, for probably six months, I would say, and I remember I talked about on the show, so you can go back and listen to me sharing that journey, but I, uh, I remember like being so unmotivated to even lift and it was just like, oh, just, I felt lethargic. I felt tired all the time and like going to the gym and I lost my love, my love to train even, you know, and, but I remember boy, especially if I did things like squatting or deadlifting, like a big gross motor movement, and if I just did that too, it didn't even have to be a great big workout, but I did that. I would feel like how much better my hormones would feel the next 24 hours after that, and then I would feel it go back down again. If I was consistent and then if I do it again, I'd feel it. So, um, I never had, had felt that before until I, it was so low. So, I mean, I've known this for a long time, um, but that really highlighted to me like how powerful that is. Yeah, I've had clients actually measure this where, um, you know, I would have some clients that would hire me that would be really up to date with their blood tests. So, you know, they were just, they were into health and they would know, well, here's my normal hormone profile. Here's what's going on. And, um, I can count, I want to say maybe four clients off the top of my head, male, who they knew what their testosterone were at baseline levels were, uh, normally, then we started strength training and they would see an increase of like 30, 40% in their testosterone levels, which they would trip out. That's a ton. Yeah. And they would trip out. They're like, what, this is so crazy. It's just the weights. And I said, yeah, you just, just building muscle. Yeah. The process of building muscle really, it's like directly parallel to that, optimizing your hormones. Like they both, um, uh, require the adequate amount of recovery. That, you know, the stress has to be managed appropriately. The entire, like you might be well fed. You gotta get sleep. Like, so all of that, like, that's why I think just focusing on building muscle, a lot of times it kind of takes care of itself at the end of the day. Now, what's your theory on tools? Like, you know, let's say like, you know, a juve red light, like to do that, because I, I remember I was, I was like throwing the whole kitchen sink at, uh, trying to get my hormones to kick back up naturally. Right. So I, I did that too. You had me on a supplement stack that I was taking. I mean, obviously I was trying to optimize sleep. Like, um, I was doing a lot of different things. And I remember I became very motivated to use the, uh, the red light when I got a message from our friend, um, uh, metabolic Mike, right? This is Instagram handles metabolic Mike. Mike Menzel. I think it is. Muntzel. Muntzel. Muntzel. Sorry. Uh, he, uh, he did a, like a test on himself, right? He got it. He went and got his blood work done, got his hormone levels checked, and then he did this protocol consistently with the red light therapy. And he saw a dramatic increase. He saw like this. I mean, I want to say he was somewhere in the, uh, three to 400 range and he jumped all the way up to 700 and something from it. And so he sent that privately to me and said, Hey, you know, I know you guys talk about red light. He goes, but I've, I've actually tested this on my, for my testosterone, you should mess with it. It works. I mean, this is documented. It's documented that it works and raises testosterone. Uh, nothing's going to compare to the process of, uh, of building muscle and improving your health, um, through exercise, right? Nothing's going to come compare to that. But if you combine it, yes, you see even more pronounced. Well, and how much different Sal, cause I agree with that statement, at least that was my experience, right? Cause I was doing everything. And I, nothing I felt more than having a squat day or dead loft, dead lifty and how much of a difference does it make, uh, doing a session like that, that is a heavy compound lifting day versus let's say a circuit training, uh, work out big because it's the, it's okay. So think of it this way. Okay. Think about how hard it would be for the body to build muscle with low testosterone, right? We know we, we, you know, we, we work with a, a hormone clinic. In fact, if you're in, you know, people can look at MP hormones.com and you'll hear the reports and people like, I just couldn't build muscle. No matter what everything's a grind and they had medically low testosterone levels for whatever reason, couldn't raise it up. So they had to use, uh, medication, but then once they went on, it was like everything works. It was very, very hard to build muscle with low testosterone. It's also very hard to lose muscle with high testosterone. So you'll see with like athletes and stuff that use testosterone and diet, they'll be able to preserve muscle. Anyway, the reason why I'm saying this is when your body is trying to build muscle, it'll take its hormones and organize it in a way to do that. And part of that is raising testosterone and making the testosterone more available, meaning more free testosterone and also increasing androgen receptor density. And also this happens as a direct result of building muscle, increasing insulin sensitivity. Uh, muscle is a very insulin sensitive tissue. It stores carbohydrates as well. Uh, and it'll, it has a profound effect. I mean, they've done studies on obese people where they haven't built a little muscle, lose no weight, just build some muscle and we see improvements in their insulin sensitivity. Wow, Doug, you actually found the post. Yeah. So he did this for 70 days with the juve light. It was 70 days. 70 days, 10 minutes a day. He went from a 501 to 902. Yeah, that's a big jump. Huge. He went to the upper limit of where you would be doing everything the same. Just added the red light. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's one person, right? Of course. Sure. I mean, it's interesting. Results may vary. I mean, he talks about how skeptical he was. Well, uh, the studies on it show that it works. It definitely works. And the way it works, it also helps regrow hair and improves the texture and the look of your skin. It speeds up recovery. So now someone's like, I guarantee people are like, what is this magic? Or this is crap, right? No, the way it works is red light literally, it first of all penetrates your body and it gets your mitochondria to be more efficient, efficient, effective. So the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. And if mitochondria works well, the cell works better. If mitochondria works not so well, you become sicker or you age faster. So if you shine red light on, let's say lighting cells, which are in the test these, which help produce testosterone, now they're going to produce more testosterone. If you shine it on your scalp, the cells that produce hair will now produce more hair or thicker hair, for example, or your skin will regenerate faster. So that's what red light does. By the way, it's been around for decades and we have studied, we have studies going back to the seventies, right, showing its effects. So it's not this new crazy thing. What's new about it is that now... They've improved on it. Well, and also now you have commercially available red light panels for the house. Yeah. Well, what I keep thinking about like how many different variations of colors and things they've experimented with and like why they, how they even like stumbled upon red light is promoting these types of benefits because it's just like so, such a random thing to shine red light on your body and get that kind of like response. It started with space. So they tested different types of light radiation on plants and space to see what makes sense. Yeah. So it's not just red light. So if you buy a red light bulb, you know, it makes it red. That's not the same thing. It's not going to work out for you. No, it's a specific spectrum and, you know. I'm going to give away the program that started it all. I actually created maps in about 10 years ago. Still our top training and workout program. I'm going to give it away for free here so you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to this channel. Turn on notifications, do all those things. 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Is this what Rex Roxanne had to do with the red light? Rocks. That's a whole different use of the red light. Total recall, I figure it was a sci-fi show. So I figured that that was something that they included in there. No, it's not you. I know it wasn't you. It was the one before. Sometimes they make, you know, like how matrix, like everything's kind of green hue. So you know they're in the matrix. Yeah. So they do stuff like that where they try and like create kind of an environment where it all like, oh, I'm in this environment. So it's kind of a red hue. You just took us down a rabbit hole. But man, you want to talk about, by the way, the remake of Total Recall sucks compared to the original. Really knows where it's at. But the storyline is pretty wild if you think about it. Like it's in the future. And rather than paying for an expensive vacation. Mental vacations. You can pay for the memories. So they hook you up and then you come out and you're like, wow, that was great. You know, but you didn't go anywhere. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I could totally see that being something people would pay for. Totally. Come on. I totally see that. I mean, while you're a man-turing candidate when you get out of it, they just like bark like a dog. And they're like, oh, you have to shoot somebody. I've been buying more of these Bill Gates, whatever, things as a result. Did you, my favorite scene of Total Recall, what's your favorite scene? I got two favorite scenes of that. You're trying to pin me to the three booby booby. No. Come on, guy. I forgot about that. You pinned yourself to that. I thought exactly like, oh, you're the favorite. No, he's just expecting you to know the lines. He didn't look to me because he knows I'm not going to know the lines. I remember it. I forgot about that. The three boobs. A cookie? Forgive me. How could you forget that? She takes her shirt, you know. Every teenage boy's dream. You didn't remember that, Doug? I do remember that, actually. Did you get that poster in your room? I got nine kids or whatever. There's two scenes. One is when they fly out the airlock and they're on the ground. And then for whatever reason, Arnold's face starts to get all weird. The shake is popping out. And also when they found Quato. Yeah, Quato. OK, so I showed my, I told my daughter about, so my daughter's 12, about to turn 13. And I was like, do you know who Quato is? Because she likes weird, scary shit. I told you guys, you guys know this. She's like, she's into like, she's 12, but she's, I don't know, way older than her age when it comes to this kind of stuff. So we were talking about grotesque monsters and stuff. And I said, do you know who Quato is? Yeah. She's like, no. I'm like, it was a character in Total Recall. And it was a mutant that came out of someone's belly. OK, so Sci-Fi horror, that was another popular thread of Sci-Fi horror, right? Remember all those other, like even alien, like where there's popping out at the diner and like coming out of somebody, like, there was always some kind of parasite or something coming out of somebody's stomach. OK. Did you ever have a theme? That always stems from like some, from something that was going on during that time, like in like science or like that was like news article. It was in the air, some idea. And everybody was kind of had that scene. Right, right. Well, in my opinion, the peak of these kinds of special effects, because then you got CGI, right? Oh, yeah. The peak of it was like 80s, 90s. And then CGI came in and it kind of now changed everything. It's totally, I guarantee it is a special effects thing from like those guys. That's actually a really good thing. I mean, that's what, you see that trend today still, like you always, like somebody comes out with new cutting-edge stuff, like Spielberg does something that no one's done. And then like the next 10 cool movies that are like that include that somehow. Well, like Alien won so many awards, so iconic for the design of the actual alien monster head with the little mouth. Oh, yeah, the little mouth, that was a trip. Predator won awards. There was a magazine. I didn't subscribe to it, but I'd read it when I go to the 7-Eleven. What was that magazine that they would show like horror, like makeup artists and weird shit in there? Do you guys remember that as like special effects? Yeah, I've seen it. Justin remembers. Yeah, I don't remember the name of it. It was super metal, come on. It was hella metal, dude. Yeah, yeah. Well, I used to read that comic book, the heavy metal, that comic book, where it was all sci-fi, like Conan looking people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyways, I'd flip through it and you'd see these like Harry and the Henderson's, they won an award for that. Oh, really? Yeah, for the costume of Harry. Yeah, he was so expressive, like they had like animatronic stuff on his face. Dude, go back in time, you see the first like award-winning ones was Planet of the Apes, which now looks silly. You look at it now, my kids make fun of it, but I'm like, this shit was good back in the day. You have no idea. Like, look stupid, we can tell it's a mask. Like we grew up with Alf. Yeah. He's the stupidest character of all time. I loved him. I read something I wanted to ask you guys about, the other day, forget which one, I'm reading a couple books right now at the same time and I don't remember which one it was in, but I thought it was a really interesting stat that I'm like, I gotta ask the guys, cause I would have been off if I would have been asked. What percentage of men and women, both are different numbers, okay? So give me both, fantasize about murder. Whoa. Everybody. Yes. Everybody, right? You mean committing it? No, not everybody, bro. See, maybe you would have been way more accurate. I was like, I haven't fantasized about killing anybody. I just feel like everybody's had a thought. That's just your dark ass, bro. He's all, what do you mean, like daily? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like how often we go to the consequences, you know, you kind of like role play this whole thing out. Wow. Wow. Come on, you guys aren't being honest. Listen, the reason why I brought this up was cause the number was much higher than I would have thought. I've never thought, like I've never gone through my mind and fantasized about literally murdering. I've been so mad that I thought I could kill that person. Okay, so I can't really do it, but you know, the thoughts are like, you know, like, anyway. Okay, men and women are not gonna role play on men. He's about to play on men. There is a percent. It's not 100. I've already been too honest. There is a difference. Men and women are different in this, okay? And there is a percentage. Well, first let's guess who's more men or women. Oh, I think that's obvious. You think so? Oh, okay, well, no, go ahead. What do you think? I think that one's obvious. I think the obvious answer sounds, feels like men, but the female mind is very mysterious, bro. I mean, you never know, dude, like. Conjuringa, it's all lives in there. Yeah, maybe it's not where you are. I would say men, for sure. Yeah, men are higher. Yeah, men are higher. Okay, what are the percentage? We're also doers, right? Don't we murder more? Well, yeah, we're more aggressive. So to me, it would make sense that we would fantasize about murder more than the other. But I wrote down like all the percentages because I wanted to ask you guys this. Okay, so what do you think? What the person, Justin is leading towards 100 percent. What do you guys think the percentage for men and what the percentage for women is? 60, 40. I say at least 80 for men. It is 79. Wow. 79 for men. What do you think women is? 60. Almost 60, a 58. Okay, wow. Now, here we go. Now, let's take it a step further. What do men fantasize about murdering and what do women fantasize about? As far as what type of people? Who are they murdering? Yes, who are they murdering? Husband. Yeah, what men? What would men? Are men fantasized about killing their ex-wives? Nope, it's not that. Okay. The boss? Yeah. Yes. They're boss? That's gay. So there's two for men. Men are... Kyle, we're watching you, buddy. I'm looking at my employee. Men are strangers and co-workers. Or what they... Strangers? Yes. Why would you fantasize about killing a stranger? I know. That's weird. What's wrong with you, Justin? I know this is all weird. I wasn't claiming that one. That's your left heel, dude. Only people he knows. Yeah. Yeah, people real close that I'm just like... They only fantasize about killing real people. Hey, get ready for this one. What do you think women are? They're husbands. Family members. Family members. Family members in general. They're kids. That's dirty. And then what is the most common between the two sexes? Oh, I don't know. It's like an infidelity-cheated... Step-parents. Oh, step-parents. Wow, mother-in-law. Those porn sites would have you believe otherwise. I didn't know they were trying to kill them. I always thought they were trying to sleep. Really? Yeah, yeah. Boy, people are weird. This is why when AI robots come and they look like humans and they're kind of hard to distinguish between humans and robots, that is going to highlight... We're going to see the depravity of the human mind. People are going to do weird shit to these poor robots. You're talking about AI. And you guys know about what they've been alarmed by recently with Google and how NASA actually was... I think they put out the warning. But they're trying to describe this AI algorithm as like its own... It's basically like it's an alien because it thinks differently. Like it's its own thing. Wow. So it's like if you think of it not in terms of like the human mind, it's its own way of processing, thinking, acting. Like it's just going to be a totally different thing. Creating real self-aware AI or the attempt is to me a perfect example of the painfully... The painful and dangerous narcissism that humans have. Why am I saying that? We don't even know about the human mind. We don't even know the human mind. We know more about the universe, millions of light years away than we do about our own minds. And yet we're going to try and create a self-aware machine. Well, we're in a rush to create. We know what we're creating. Yeah, we're just in this mad rush to create. And it's like we don't even think about consequences anymore. It's just like who can do it first? Yeah. And then weird shit's going to happen. But like I said, we create these robots. It's going to be weird, bro. People are going to buy robots to kill them. See, I don't think it's... I don't think that weird. What I think is going to be really interesting because I don't... And I do think that we will get close to it in our lifetime, that we are going to be able to automate so much and have these robots do so much for us that literally we won't have to do much. That people will be able to have these robots do most of the labor and the work for us. We're going to lose our way. And we're going to have 3D printers. We're going to be able to have most of everything we want. And we're going to have this total... You're not going to own anything and you're going to love it. Well, thanks, world economics. Or you'll have everything. So maybe you'll have... Maybe it's... All you need is the barcode on your forearm. You can have everything. And what I think is going to be most interesting is how much higher depression, suicide, and all those things are then even more so compared to now. Oh, I think anxiety and depression. When we have all these things that everybody thinks they want so bad. And then we get them and we innovate and we get there. And it's like we're more unhappy than we ever were. Of course. That's why I love that. You share that one show. What's it called that you just brought up the other day? Twilight Zone. Yeah, Twilight Zone. That one episode where the heaven and hell one. Yeah. I just think that's such a great... So that's so long ago, right? That show's like 30 years old or something like that. Oh, way older than that. Yeah, super old show. And to think where we're at now, it's like, whoa, people in our lifetime maybe potentially be able to have the most things. You know what's funny? Anybody who wants to argue with what you're saying. So essentially what you're saying in a nutshell is, we're going to get to the point where we get everything we want and then we're going to realize we're still unhappy, still anxious, what the hell's going on. For anybody who needs evidence of that, just look at now. It's way easier, life is easier now objectively than it was 70 years ago, okay? Right, and a poor person today has significantly more than a king or queen did, you know? Hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Yes. Just because it wasn't available. Right. But look at anxiety, look at depression, look at unhappiness. It's higher today than it was then. How do you reconcile that, right? So it's just going to keep happening. People are going to keep getting what they think they want and they're going to realize that something's missing. So to me, that is going to be the craziest, most interesting and most talked about thing when we get to this. I think, I like to think that we're going to be self-aware enough as we make, because it's inevitable. We're going to make some dumb mistakes with AI along the way and hopefully none of them kill us. Well, I mean, and I think that before it gets like your crazy scary sci-fi movie will be smart enough to not allow that to happen. So I think that's a little tinfoil hat for me. But I do think. Although I got to point out that we do have robots that were engineered to basically consume all organic matter on the battlefield, meaning they consume dead bodies. What? What? Yes. We made a robot like that? Yes. Why? What? Exactly, why? What? And what do you think that scares the show to me? What, what, what did you get that? Where did you get that? That's real, dude. Look at that. A robot that goes and eats dead bodies? Yeah, it consumes organic matter. Consumes organic matter, meaning it cleans up the battlefield and it's powered by organic material. Wow. Yeah, you need to fact check this, Doug. This is crazy. Listen, Justin has never, he's every time he's passed a weird up, it's real. Yeah. 100%. He's getting a thousand. Everybody doubts me. It's fine. I like saying that now. It sounds like I know what I'm talking about with people. It's batting a thousand. That's like a hundred percent. I love it. Except they don't use a hundred. This is my favorite. This robot's called Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot, also short for Eater. E-A-T. Dude, what the hell's wrong with these people? It does indeed power its biomass engine by digesting organic material, but that it is not intended to chomp its way through battlefields. Oh, it's not intended, dude. So there's the tinfoil hat part, right? That's the part. That's weird, though. So what is the purpose of this thing? It's a little bit alarming, though. You don't have to eat dead bodies like Justin thinks. What is it supposed to do? Well, this is actually a vegetarian. What's that all about? I don't know. I got to read in deeper. It's such a peaceful robot. Yeah, we'll read up a little bit. What did you hear about this? I've never heard of this. Random. I don't even remember. It just popped in when we were talking about this. Wow. Wow. How has someone not made a sci-fi movie around that? Oh, I know. I feel like that's like a sci-fi movie waiting one wait and a half. Yeah, waiting to happen for sure. Especially if it runs off of organic material, like you could get the zombie robot. What was that one move? Was it iRobot, the one with Will Smith, where the robots and the number one rule, like a long time ago, scientists came up with rules like you would give AI machines and robots to prevent them from hurting humanity. And one of them was they must never hurt a human. Never harm a human. Always protect us. And then in iRobot, wasn't it there where the robots, they figured, oh, the best way to protect humans is lock them in the house. Yeah, that is iRobot. Yeah, it's iRobot. Which is brilliant because that's true. If you were an AI machine and you did look at humanity, you'd be like, well, they're the biggest risk to each other. Quarantine them all. Yes. Lock you guys all up. And don't worry, we'll give you all the video games in heroin you want. You'll be fine. Oh, man, that's crazy. All right, now that we're scared, I'm going to take this. Bring us back up. I'm going to take us to, I don't know if this is up, down. I don't know if whichever. Have you guys seen this? There's new bikini bottoms that they're coming up with. This is much better conversation. I got to send this picture. Tell them the little triangles. So they're trying to come up with a term for this. The little itty-bitty things. It's good. It's like, we'll call it taco floss. Taco floss. It's taco floss, bro. You didn't just call it that. I did. So the bottoms of this bikini, so we have thongs. I thought you were supposed to keep this guy in check down. So we have thong bikinis. We've had that for a long time. Like this, like that? The term makes sense, though. Like that, bro. You can see the thong bikini, all the buttons. It has examples ready to go. I'm a bikini connoisseur. Why is it a picture of you wearing it, though? I'm a bikini connoisseur, you don't say? So anyway, we know the thong covers just the crack and you get the whole cheeks hit. Now the front, they're trying to make it smaller and smaller to wet. What's going to happen here? Is this you complaining right now? Well, I mean, I got daughters, bro. So you got cheeks? Look at that. Yeah, yeah. So you got cheeks? Now you got lips. If she takes the wrong step or moves the wrong way or anything aside from standing there. What do you call it, though? I'm curious. You're going to get side lip. There's nothing you can do about it. I'm not mad at it, but I mean, okay, so there's another way to look at this, too. Where are we going with this? I don't know. You brought it up. Maybe we're going back. I'm not hating. No, we're not, bro. Maybe we're going back. There's some weird shorts. Okay, let's be really honest, okay? The opposite is, if you were to really... Covering all the ankles. If we're a bunch of apes that have evolved, the fact that we put a bunch of clothing on ourselves that's colored and expensive, that's fucking weird. It would be more normal versus to walk around naked. Why? So that logic didn't... Other than keeping hair, okay, where if you live somewhere like California, okay, we're fine. Well, okay, so this is a good discussion. So when you look at cultures across the world, modern hunter-gatherers, for example, what's almost always universally covered is male genitalia. Almost always. So even in cultures where you see the women are almost fully nude... Except they make sculptures of a penis. So what? The penis is covered. Why? Because when men become aroused, it's clear. And so it's probably better for society. Like you're with your tribe and you know... Mom's excited. Yeah, your buddy's wife walks in and everybody's like, you're looking at my wife, no? What's going on? It's totally not attracted, I swear. Yeah, so... Yeah, but you know what's funny is like back then, when you turn that far back, it's like a sheet. It's like a... It's just a banana leaf. It's like a little banana habit. That was good. I think they cover the whole thing, right? Did they? I don't know. I'm pretty sure. Doug, look up modern hunter-gatherers, loincloth. Yeah. They fix and Doug's Google search again. Yeah, there are kinds of weird shit on this. No, but that's always covered. Always covered. Yeah. And I think the other reason why... I didn't know that. Yeah, I've never seen... I mean, I don't know. I've never seen National Geographic magazine, they saw me when I was a kid. Yeah. They never showed dudes with the dongs that was always... That part was always definitely covered. And then women almost always covered the bottom as well. And I think it's because we're self-aware enough to be... So I would think that would be like a cleanliness thing because you would not want to get anything like dirt and stuff like that in your genitalia. Ticks and mites. Yeah, yeah. To me, those are your reproductive... You don't want to get... You don't want that to be... And so I think you would just put the bare minimum to cover it and protect it. That's what the logic I would think behind doing that. I think it'd be less about getting a boner about your buddy's life. No, I think it's that. I think it's... You don't want... Yeah, because it's a visible... I don't think that, because back in the days, the tribes used to switch it up and stuff like that. You've read Sex and Dawn, haven't you? They used to all... That's their theory, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty strong, but that's what you see there. No, I think it's because it's so visible. It's such an obvious... Remember, when you're going through puberty, you imagine you can cover yourself? How embarrassed you'd be all the time, Adam? See, I don't think that's because of where we're at now. You're going to be embarrassed if you're... I think so. If you didn't know any better, if everybody in your community was naked all the time, so I don't know, maybe we're just going backwards here, you know? Maybe we're getting back to that. Just covering up the bare minimum. Obviously, what are we doing? I think that's what's going to happen. There's no where else to go is all I'm trying to say. So what's the next to be continued? I mean, is this really like out at the beach? Or is this just like a lingerie thing? No, no, no. You see it. You see it. Really like that? Well, I mean, you're not going to see that at probably your normal... I mean, you're going to see that Vegas for damn sure. Oh, Vegas. South Beach. Maybe those two places. Hey, look, I'll tell you what, dude. Let me ask you guys this. Okay, we're all 40 or a little older. When we were kids, did you ever see a G-string thong at the beach? Ever. Never. Never. Do you see them now? I see them like when I go to the creek. Yeah. Yeah. So now you see them all over the place. Yeah. What I always find interesting is this is also always the girl too gets mad at the guy for like objectifying her too. Or just staring. Or like too long just staring. Yeah, it's like... It's like, I mean, that's the part that I find interesting. Bro, I saw this hilarious meme where there was this woman and it was a cartoon. So she's wearing like a low cut shirt or whatever. And she's like, you know, don't stare at me or whatever. So then the guy shows up the next day and he's wearing jeans, but they're low cuts. You can see like the neck area or whatever. You can see the girl's trying not to look. He's like, don't look at me. That should be the new trend. Dude sagging it, you know, just about that far. Never. It'll never be in style, dude. Actually, I'm not even promoting that. Europeans have been wearing Speedos forever. That style never made it here. Thank God. Did it not? Yeah, it did, didn't it? Who wears Speedos? In the 70s, Doug? I can't speak to that. No? You didn't go through a Speedo face? I did not. I feel like you'd be a big Speedo guy. No, not a big one. Just on occasion. I feel like swimmers are notorious for that. Short shorts. I'll do the short short sometimes. I thought the 70s, I thought Speedos were popular. I mean, I think there may have been a period. My dad wore Speedo to the beach because he grew up in Italy. Courtney's dad wore Speedos. I don't think you wouldn't. No, I ain't wearing fucking Speedo. Oh, I think you would be easily convinced. What? If I rolled up in a Speedo, I think I could convince you. If you had a Speedo? I totally think I could convince him. Oh, you got one. I could just buy it back to the car, dude. Finally. Yes. Just so happens to have one in the club box. It's a party. No way. No way. I totally think I could convince you. Just one in the hopper, waiting. Convince me? Try. You think you're that good of a clover? You just played hard to get right now. Dare me, Adam. Dare me. Dare me. Dare me to do it. I dare you. Anyways, did you guys hear about the... Somebody didn't wax. You're the one. That's true. You're the one that brought up, Justin, the Georgia... What are they called? Guidestones. Guidestones. It was an explosion. Okay. Okay. So here's what's weird. So first off, Doug, pull up the Georgia Guidestones and what they say on them. Yeah, because it's weird. It's about population control on some level. And then... It's weird shit. It's weird. It's bizarre. I've heard some good stuff on there and then I've heard there's like satanic stuff on there. It's all satanic. It's all satanic? Yeah. It's all like what you would consider not like outwardly, but like, you know, control the population. It's like stuff that people would say is satanic, right? Because the opposite of that is that, you know, bear be fruitful. Yeah. But anyway, there's a bunch of writing on them. It's kind of weird. Nobody knows who made them. Here's what's weird. It's like the Thanos. One of them exploded. And there's a video of it. Of it exploding. There's no video of who did it though. No. But there was, I guess, a silver car that was like close by in proximity. Well, it happened. And I was reading about it a little bit. And I guess they're trying to claim that it was something to preserve it or like take it down. I'm like, whatever the explanation was, it was total BS. Well, it made even more like... Wouldn't it be pretty obvious the person who got the video of it has something to do with it? Because who would video a bunch of stones that sit still and don't move? It's a security video. But my point is... Oh, is it a security video? Yeah, my point is, did they turn it on when it blew up and it was not on before? Why don't they see who did it? Who said that? How do you know it was a security video? Because it looks like a security video. I don't think... Bro, it's out in the middle of like... I don't think it's a security... I think it's a drone shot that somebody took. No, no. I saw it on Twitter. First off, read what it says on the Georgia Stone. And then let's look at the first. Yeah, there's 10 different points. Number one, maintain humanity under 500 million people in perpetual balance with nature. Two, guide reproduction wisely. Improving fitness and diversity. Three, unite humanity with a living new language. Four, rule passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason. Five, protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. This does not sound demonic. It sounds... It sounds like the Democratic Party. No, no, no. It sounds like the Democratic Party. Exactly. It's all like the old maintenance switch. That's exactly what Satan wants you to think about. Anyway, there's five more of those. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I could read them or not. Put the whole population in control of things. This is bullshit. I think we offended ducks. Hey, I was trying to read guys. One of the rest of them. Okay. Sorry. Number six, let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. Seven, avoid petty laws and useless officials. I like that one. Everything is ruled. Eight, balance personal rights with social duties. Nine, prize truth, beauty, love, seeking harmony with the infinite. Ten, be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room for nature. Stressing nature. That's a devil right there, man. I know. All that beauty, love and truth stuff. I don't know. Okay, now let's see if we can find the video of it getting exploded. Weird though, right? Why don't they have a film? It's not a security film, Sal. Or else that would be the case. They would have it before. So all I gotta do is find the person who wrote. That's what I'm saying. I think it's a drone that took that shot. Can we pull the video up? We're speculating so well. Yeah, we are. We totally are. It's a satellite footage. It could be that. It looks like it's handheld. I'm trying to make sure we don't have this blast on our teeth. You could see the video, Doug? I can see it. I want to see what it looks like. It's just a video, but it's exploding. I don't know, but I want to see the angle it's from so we can speculate if it's a drone or it's a satellite or it's a handicap. Okay, here we go. Oh, it's smoking and everything. We're getting an ad. Oh, here we go, commercial. You can tell a lot by what person looks on it. Why don't you do the NCI commercial while we're watching this commercial? Why don't you do the NCI commercial while we're doing this commercial? Oh, yeah. The company we work with that helps trainers become successful coaches. No, they actually have a full ride scholarship. What? What are they having on? They're going to give people free everything? Yeah. Can you see the screen here? Let me just navigate up here. Yeah. So this is what's included with the full ride scholarship. So hold on. Do they go through our link to enter to win this? Yes. There's a page they need to go to and they'll win all of these different programs. So they get level one nutrition coaching specialist, level two nutrition coaching specialist, level one mindset specialist, level one hormone specialist, gut health masterclass, woman's health masterclass, men's hormone masterclass and thyroid health masterclass, plus coaching mastery. This would all cost $23,000 over $23,000, but you can win that all for free. Wow. As a coach. Wow, that's a huge deal. Nutrition coaches, fitness coaches, personal trainers should apply for that. Yeah. Well, they're crushing. NCI is crushing. They're exploding the amount of trainers and coaches that are going through there. Yeah. What a cool. Anyway, did you guys see the video where it blew up? Yes. And it does look like a handy cam. That's not a security camera. Probably the person who actually did it took the video and sent it to me. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying like, okay, because obviously who is videoing a bunch of rocks that just sit there forever. That's a lame ass video unless you know something's about to go down and then you use it and you set it to go viral. I don't know, man. I wonder if this is another one of those like sort of publicity stunt things. Like remember those obelisks, those mere obelisks? Oh, yeah. And then it became this. It was a movie. Yeah, it was promoting something. So I don't know. That would be where my thoughts would go. Because why would you, like why, what's the point of blowing it up? I don't understand. All I know is. Well, I mean, if someone thinks like Sal, it's some satanic thing. It could be some right-wing nut that thinks he's got to blow it up. Well, it's not less satanic, more like New World Order stuff. So it's like the whole world economy. My point is what I'm saying though. So if it's New World Order or whatever, and then some right-wing nut that's going to come over there and blow it up, you know? Yeah. It could be. All I know is it turned on the Large Hadron Collider and then that shit blew up. That's it. There's a lot of weird coincidences. Did you guys know that there's also a stone in Japan? I want to say that supposedly cursed because it contains an evil demon. Okay. So it's a stone. It's got writing on it. And it contains this evil demon. And it by itself, I swear to God, this recently just happened. Is this in that suicide forest? No. No. That's weird too, though. Yeah. It's part of the culture of this particular region. They've known about it for, I don't know, hundreds of years or whatever. Like there's a demon in that stone. Nobody touched it. It cracked by itself. Just recently happened. Ooh. That's right. Creepy. True story. Maybe Doug can find it. Yeah. Japanese demon stone. Demon stone. Yeah. So I don't know, man. Weird shit. Playing that. Weird stuff. Doug, how are we doing on time? I want to talk about what's going on in the markets right now. We're about 39 minutes in. Oh, we got time for market stuff. Do you see what has happened with NFT sales? No. Dropped by 75%. Yeah, they're gone, dude. They are gone. And we also, we haven't talked about it because it happened when we were on vacation, but Bitcoin dipped to its lowest at 17,000, which I think it's hovering around 20 right now. What's the lowest they anticipated going? So the argument. So all the Bitcoin junkies that are still hard up on cryptocurrency that I talked to believe that that was the bottom at 17. I don't believe that. No. I believe we're going to see under 10. I do too. And I think we're going to see. So here's the, here's the scary thing. If you're a crypto nut and you've been, you've been drinking the Kool-Aid for the last few years. I'm crypto Carl. Disappointment. Is that one of the biggest arguments they used to make was it was a hedge against the dollar. Against inflation. Yes. Against inflation and the dollar. If the dollar were to crash or go down, well, inflation is going up. The dollar is going down right now. And so. Bitcoin should be crushing. And instead it's getting crushed right now, which that should raise. That should raise a lot of concern. It's because they were the utility of cryptocurrency still isn't great. They don't have it yet. Not yet. It isn't not great. There's nothing. There's nothing. Well, that's what I mean. It's not great except maybe black market shit or whatever. Transfer of goods. Yeah. It's all invisible. It's not that great. And it was tons of, look, did you see the chart? There's a chart that I saw when stimulus packages were kicking in. The amount of money, the amount of growth that crypto went through. Because people took their money and speculated. It mirrored the trillions of dollars that got pumped in the economy. So a bunch of people are like, let's buy crypto. We're going to make tons of money. And then you hear stories about the guy who made a million dollars. It was a complete speculative market. Just like. And I love comparing it to .com because one of the things that your crypto junkies get all like butt hurt about when you start to argue with them about it is that the technology of it is going to revolutionize like how we do things. I don't want that so bad. They're going to just. Well, it's true. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I think it's valid. Blockchain is revolutionary. Blockchain will change the way we do things in the future. I 100% agree with that. Do I think there will be cryptocurrency? Probably do. Yes, I do believe that. But that is like saying back in the .com era that you know which one of these companies was going to, you know, very few people knew that was going to be Google and Amazon. Which one is going to be eBay? Yeah. There was tens of, hundreds of thousands of companies that tried to get started at that time. That everybody was throwing money at. Yeah. Thinking they were going to be the next best thing. They think that by betting on a specific coin that what they're actually betting on is the crypto technology. It doesn't work that way. Okay. It's like saying. It's like saying .com. It's the same thing. It's like money gets like you buy. Netscape would be the prevailing search engine. It's like you throwing $100,000 behind dogs.com because somebody bought the URL back in 2000 because you think the internet is going to change the way that we do business. And guess what? The internet did change. It did. The way we did business and dogs.com did not mean shit back in 2000. So it's the same concept, exact same concept. You betting on these coins that you think are cool or have a cool logo or attached to something. It's like, dude, the likelihood that you are going to nail Google or Amazon. And then the argument is like, well, Bitcoin is the safest because it's the first and it's the most stable. It's like, you don't even know that because my argument to that. I'd say it's a logical. That's a, I understand the logic behind it, but still the odds. I still will argue that. Here's how I'll argue that. Okay. And I told you guys this off air the other day when we were talking about cryptocurrency is look at companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon, which control more, more traffic in people than digital space. Okay. Any other companies. Okay. And they also have, most of them have some sort of, some sort of goods and services or anything that they provide or sell. What is the stop them, which companies do this all the time for taking a loss to get more people and to release their coins. So example, what I mean by that. Okay. Duracell batteries and whatever is really popular and they are sold on Amazon, but then Amazon has their brand of batteries or whatever on there too. And they have the power to undercut those, those companies. They can literally put them out of business. If they really, if that was their desired outcome, what is the stop Amazon from not creating its own coin and it has more power in, in Amazon store than Bitcoin does. Yeah. And then it makes Bitcoin obsolete. Facebook. I mean, and it really does. And then what is Facebook? Why Facebook could do the same thing. And so could Google. And so, and who knows that may or may not have, but my point is that, that's what makes even Bitcoin. Here's what's going to happen. I think I don't think any government is going, they're all controlled by the Fed anyway. And I don't think any government is going to allow any currency to compete with the Fed currency. So then, you know what crypto currency is going to come out that's going to last and grow a federally, a Fed, not federal, because the Fed is not federal by the way. Federal is federal express. Yeah. But the Fed, the central bank will release its own crypto currency. That's right. And that's the one. And the reason why. And it'll have all the backing of the U.S. military. 100% agree with that. And the reason why Bitcoin being the first and so popular right now is what I, if you go back far enough in this podcast, you can hear me being the one who was pushing about cryptocurrency the most. And it was because of the black market. The black market adopted crypto, adopted Bitcoin first. And that is what is where it's being used the most where it has the most utility is in the black market right now. And that might not go away until, and that may. No. This is why if you got money to throw away and you want to put together like an emergency, you know, your earthquake kit or whatever you want to call it, you probably want to own a little Bitcoin because if shit hits the fan and you get something on the black market, let's say they make things illegal that you might need or whatever. Well, there you go. Other than that, I don't see any. But that is what has kept it afloat for this long. And then to your point about all of a sudden trillions of dollars gets pumped into the economy. Now everybody has this money to gamble with and all the rest of those bets were all speculative. All the rest of that money that gets pumped into there that drove it up like crazy are all people that aren't buying it because it has some great utility or they think it's a future is that they are all trying to buy it so they can flip it and sell it and make money. We're going to see a huge, we're going to see such a nasty crash with this kind of stuff because it was unregulated. Anything that's that quick and that was the red flags for me from the get go is like how many millionaires were coming out of nowhere for doing barely anything. Yeah. Well, I mean it was all speculation and I think it's not regulated. A lot of people got ripped off. A lot of people lied to a lot of these places that hold your coin or whatever insolvent and or they don't even own it. They can't even give it to you if they wanted to. You know what I thought was an interesting point that David Friedberg made from all in podcasts that I thought was interesting because they all went around and they were talking their their their points about cryptocurrency and everything where it's at. And he's like, you know, I'm, you know, just an observer. I'm not an investor or anything like that. He's all but the one thing that I find the most ironic about it is that it was it's supposed to be this thing that's going to replace money yet we constantly measure and talk about it in dollars. Yeah. So if it's supposed to be this thing that's has this great utility that's going to use it that's going to replace it, then why the hell do we even compare it to the US dollar because the US dollar still has no way more weight. The fed the fed's going to come out with their own cryptocurrency at some point and that'll be the one that'll be the one everybody uses. 100% agree. What are they going to call it? Fed coin. It'll have some end of the coin. Some acronym that we don't find. It's a pharaoh. Yeah. It's a stranger. You're devil tokens. Devil dollars. Devil tokens. Hey guys, go get your devil tokens. It really works. Yeah. Hey, check this out. You got to look at this company called Oli Pop. So they make sodas like the ones you grew up drinking as a kid to give an example. 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I listen to you as often as I possibly can, but even whenever I'm like unmotivated and not feeling the gym that day, just pop on podcast and you guys get me where I need to be. It's truly awesome. It really is. Thank you. But I have, I've been following a diet from another company. Sorry. But I found you guys on the podcast and I since switched over to the anabolic program. And I was reading through the diet, the little diet guide that you guys include was like the number one I bought. And it seems like there's like conflicting information and I feel like I'm actually slowing my metabolism down by what with what I'm doing. So I have like 1900 or some sorry, 2200 calories a day with like 150 grams of protein. And based on some of the stuff that I've been reading and your 30 days of advice that I found on your website, it seems like maybe I should be not sticking so strictly to specifically that and kind of fluctuating the intake to keep my, I guess my metabolism tricked. And really all I need to do, all I'm trying to do is I have like a little bit of a beer gut. Honestly, that's really all I want to get rid of and just kind of flatten it out and get in just more like summer body, right? Like I'm just trying to turn things up a little bit, lose the beer gut and kind of just gain a little bit of arm mass. Like I'm not trying to be a just trying. It's really hard to figure out like where to go, right? Because there's so much everything I Google, everything I research, there's a different answer. There's a hundred different answers. So just maybe like reverse dieting. I don't know. What do you guys think? Yeah, I see you asked all that in your question. I'm reading it right now. It says, do you have a guide on reverse diet? We do. So we can do that. We can help you there. And I mean, you're not in a bad place calorie wise. Although I would like you a little bit higher before I started to restrict calories from you. It sounds. I mean, how long have you been following the twenty two hundred calories, hundred fifty grams? How long have you been consistent with this? Probably four months. Oh, wow. And little to no change in your waist. I mean, I'm losing weight, but I feel like I'm losing it in places I don't want to right? Like my legs look scrawnier than they were. Like, like I am like face and the neck and like all that. I mean, I get that the stomach is like the last place to that goes and maybe that's what it is. And the other thing is that I don't care if I end up at two hundred twenty five pounds, right? I'm not shooting for a weight. I don't even weigh myself regularly. I mean, I do, but not every day and I don't get a wound up a couple pounds up or whatever. I really just want the look that I'm going for. I don't care what I end up weighing. There's a couple things I want to address Levi. One is the conflicting information you find on Google. You came to the right place. We're about to give the answers to your question. So you don't have to go back to Google and read a bunch of conflicting stuff. So let's just consider what we're going to say now and let's just go with this and trust it. Number two, you said you don't want to look like a body builder. Don't worry. You won't, but you should still try to. OK, you should still try to because the more muscle you build on your frame, the better it is going to be for fat loss. And there's two ways you could deal with with excess body fat. One way is to just try to lose the body fat. And the other way is to build muscle to the point where that body fat percentage goes down naturally because your weight goes up because your lean body mass goes up. Now those are two extremes. Somewhere in the middle is usually what works best for people. As far as the diet is concerned, it is better to fluctuate mostly psychologically. It's kind of a pain in the butt. It's not very realistic to always eat the same exact thing every single day. But we do see in studies that when people, if let's say they're on a bulk and they interrupt it with a cut or if somebody's on a cut and they interrupt it with a short bulk, they tend to get better results. And it's not tricking your metabolism. It's just your metabolism is adapting to your lifestyle. And if you eat the same amount of calories every single day, your body very quickly is going to adapt to that and learn how to just burn that many calories to keep you up maintenance. So what I think you should do with your 2,200 calories a day is I think you should go on a small surplus, maybe go up to maybe 2,300 calories, 2,400 calories. Do that for a little while. Build muscle, build strength, slowly reverse yourself to the point where you get a decent amount of calories so that 2,200 calories then becomes an effective cut again. So you might want to wait until you get your calories up to like 2,600, 2,700 calories with more muscle, with more strength. And then from there you can cut. And then the 2,200 calorie cut shouldn't be ideally not every single day that way, but some days 1,900 calories, some days 2,400 or 2,500 calories, ultimately leading to a general 2,200 calorie average on a daily basis. So if you do the math over the week, you'll see that you're averaging about 2,200 calories, but some days are higher, some days are lower. So I hope that makes it. How far are we in into anabolic right now? How far are you in? So that's the other thing is it's summertime and I go camping a lot with my family and I can't always make it to the gym. I try to do my best to at minimum get the foundational exercises with the straps. I'm pretty good at that, but I haven't been doing it like to the T for probably a month. So are you getting at least three days of the foundational workouts, the main workouts a week, or are you even missing that? I would say I miss it more often than I get it. Oh, step one, do that. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, yeah, that's the biggest key here is it sounds like too, by the way, you made the case that you're losing weight and you're probably leaning out a little because you're keeping your calories low. And there is this like little psychological thing that happens when you're that when you're in a calorie restriction and it seems like you're losing weight, but then you're not really like your arms don't look as big. You feel like your legs are scrawny. A lot of that's because you're depleted. You're on it because you're low calorie right now. So you get to look and this is a normal phenomenon that you go through when you're when you're in a cut. So that's kind of a normal feel. But if you really want to accelerate your results, like being consistent with the lifting, adding the calories like what Sal's saying to where you actually speed your metabolism up a little bit, build a little bit of muscle and then go back to that cut again, still being consistent. That's what's going to change this more than anything else. Oh, yeah. And I mean, you mentioned that, you know, your face, your neck and other places of your body or you notice a substantial change there. Like so that's I mean, that's how it works for me even like that's just like it's going to take a while before to get down to the stomach. I mean, for the most part, you just got to stick to the course and really focus a little bit more on muscle development. And that's really going to help in terms of like you're feeling confident with what's going on, especially when you haven't been very consistent. I mean, the fact that you even have getting some of the positive results and feedback you're getting while being inconsistent is a really positive thing. Yeah. If you gain just if you gained five pounds of muscle without gaining a single pound of body fat, you've now are essentially leaner in terms of body fat percentage because you have more lean body mass and your fat mass stayed the same versus trying to lose a couple pounds of body fat while preserving your muscle, which might be a little bit more challenging. I honestly think if you just consistent with the strength training and you bump your calories up to like 23, 24 hundred calories, which isn't a huge bump, but it's enough to fuel some new muscle with the consistent strength training. I think if you do that for a couple months, I think you'll be very happy with your results. I think I think if you give yourself a real dedicated month, you'll see a difference. Yeah. I mean, follow anabolic to a teeth. I mean, make that a goal for yourself. Follow anabolic to a teeth for one month. Take your calories up, 200 calories or so, like Sal saying. And I just, you know, get back to me. Get some size on those arms and chest, man. It will help a lot. Yeah. That whole, you know, stomach issue. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. You got that. So you got maps, antibiotics, so you're set there. You have the intuitive nutrition guide. Is that the one that we got? Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah. I do have the intuitive one. All right. Well, we'll send you the reverse diet guide. So you have a little bit more specifics in terms of how to take your, your calories up higher while you're building. Okay. And then just, and then just stay in touch with us. Let us know as your progress as you go through this, because I think if you are just consistent with anabolic, add the calories like so, I think you're going to see a difference. Totally. Totally. Okay. Cool. I appreciate it. No problem. The, the funniest phrase I will ever hear from somebody is, I don't want to look like a bodybuilder. I, I find it, I find it disrespectful. It's happening too fast. I find it disrespectful people say. It's so much. Fucking hard that was. Hey guys, there's a reason why I don't anymore. It was hard. Listen, I want to, I want to play some basketball today. This is common perception. I'm not trying to become Steph Curry. Okay. So just everybody calm down. I don't want to play basketball, but aim for that anyway. You'll get better results if you aim for that anyway. No, I mean, I get, I, you know, I get what people mean though. Like he's trying to describe his, like his goal. Yeah. Yeah. My goal isn't to get that crazy, but your point is true though. Like both, both men and women, even if your goal was not to look like a bodybuilder, it's a very good goal to aim for. Because you end up with what you want. Yeah. You're going to look sculpted and strong. It's real easy to stop. It's real easy to stop. Yeah. You're like doing curls. Whoa. I said, calm down. I've never had a client come to me a day after working out. You're fired. I told you. Oh my God. I brought a Coleman. You fucked me up. Look at me now. It doesn't work that way. No, but you know, if you just built, if you just focused on building and being consistent, I think people would be blown away. This is happening to me right now. We were on vacation. I ate very low calories on vacation typically and I usually lose right now. I'm bumping my calories up. You know, it ends up happening. I look leaner. I look leaner because the muscles coming up and the body fat staying the same, which means my body fat percentage is now a smaller percentage of my overall body. Well, I also think that what this highlights and you know, clients were like this for sure. People really, really overestimate how the results should come. Yeah. It's such a slow process. It really is. And he's getting results. I think that's what, you know, identifying that that's results. Like if you're, if you're getting like, you're losing body fat in other places, your body, it's inevitable. It's going to get there. It's just, you got to keep putting the work. Especially the face. Especially if you're being that inconsistent. If you can tell me that you're missing more days than you're making and yet you're still seeing some positive results. You're doing that pretty deep. You're actually lucky as fuck. It takes a lot of consistency on both diet and training to actually see little incremental results. We go over weeks. Yeah. Even if he doesn't reverse diet, if he just lifted consistently, he would see. Yeah. I know you're right. That'll be good. You just need somebody to tell him that. I think sometimes you just need that. Totally. Yeah. Our next caller is Eric from Ohio. Eric, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Yeah. Yeah. How's it going? Just the typical. I want to start out. Thank you for all the information you guys give. A little background to start the question. I've only been listening for one and a half months, but I listen all day. So I'm already about a little over a hundred episodes through. Hey. But yeah, I listen pretty much all day at work. But a little more information. So I'm an avid lister. I've gotten pretty big a couple of times, but then something happens. I've had two surgeries and like a depressive state that makes me like restart over after I'm down for around six months. But so I enjoy listening and bulking and going to the gym. My main hobby is volleyball, though. I play anywhere from three to five days a week. Year round indoor sand. Is there any like workout and diet issue found help keep my vertical up? I know you guys have heard this a lot, but I think there's certain times where I get too big for volleyball. And I don't know if I've heard heavy lifting slows fast twitch muscles and nerves. Is that an actual thing? No. No. Heavy lifting does the opposite. It speeds up. It builds fast twitch muscle. Fast cardio. Now, plyometrics is going to be your best bet to be able to express the speed with your muscle contraction. So I would do a little bit of ten minutes of plyos at the beginning of your workout. Heavy lifting isn't going to impede your vertical. Now getting too heavy might well, I'm just going to say his question is not building his vertical. It's just not losing his vertical. That's a body weight thing. Yes. Both. Okay. If I could help my as well, that would be great to continue playing. Well, it's a strength to weight ratio thing. Okay. So if you're strong and light, you're going to have a better vertical than if you're strong and heavy, right? So that's a diet. That's more of a diet thing than anything else. When I, you know, when I work with athletes or when I talk to athletes, I should say, I could, I tell them, look, train to get strong and big, but if you want to maintain your body weight, that's a diet thing. So if I'm talking to a wrestler, for example, has to make weight. Your goal is to be as strong and muscular as possible at your current body weight. That means you're going to be lean, right? So body fat does nothing to help you with your vertical or very little, I should say. You need some body fat for health, but, you know, if you're carrying, you know, an extra and additional, let's say 15 pounds of body fat. And let's say we lost that 15 pounds of body fat and gained it in muscle, you're going to be far more athletic. So the goal would be then to build muscle and be lean at the same time. And in terms of strength training, heavy weight training, totally fine. Yeah. Plyometrics. I would incorporate plyometrics 10 to 15 minutes at the beginning of you know, bring that strength, that grinding strength to keep that focus is the point. And, you know, we do this with a lot of our programs in terms of frequency training. So frequency builder. So there's trigger sessions and maps in a ball egg. There's mobility sessions in performance. There's focus sessions in the static. And what you're talking about is a skill. And that skill is something that you need to maintain throughout your training while your strength training as well. So if, yes, you know, there's going to be a little bit of reprioritization in terms of like your bodies now like adjusting to this specific adaptation goal, which is like building this foundational overall strength, which you do need as an athlete. You need to be able to express that. You need to be able to generate more power and force. And so that's something that you need to incorporate. But simultaneous to that, you do need to maintain the skill of vertical jump. So I would have that something as a priority in your active recovery day where you're, you know, really applying the skill of vertical jump and making sure that you, you know, have that kind of stability support with your, with your joints and you're able to generate that kind of fast twitch response. And so applying, you know, some kind of plyometrics through that on the, on the days in between, I would highly suggest. Very well said. I would, I'll be even more specific. I would actually follow our maps cardio program everywhere where we've programmed you to do cardio that I would use that as your days of playing volleyball and or doing skills training that you just was talking about. If you want specific exercises that are going to help your vertical. I think Paul favorites, PJF performance is one of the best in the industry. I think he has a program called vertical code and it has all kinds of skills training for your vert in there. You could, you could kind of combine both of our programs. I would take the skills training for the vertical from him. And then I would apply it to our cardio program anywhere where cardio is programmed in that program. You're doing either skills training or playing volleyball. Eric, have you ever done plyometrics before? Yeah. Okay. Not a ton of it. I've done before getting the RGB bundle. Like two weeks ago, I was by building dot com. They have an app and they give you workouts on what you're trying to do. And some of them that I have done had lifting him plyo together. Okay. Well, okay. So just to be clear with plyos, oftentimes I'm not familiar with the bodybuilding.com program, but oftentimes the way that they program plyos is not plyometric. They're just making you jump and move to fatigue. So when you do your plyos, don't think I'm going to get a workout. Don't think I'm going to sweat. Your goal is to explode and jump as high as you can. Rest until you feel fully recovered and then do it again. You should not do it to fatigue. The second you do it to fatigue, now it becomes cardiovascular training. You're training bad habits. Yeah, which is, it's fine if you want more cardio, but if you're trying to get a higher vertical, you have to be able to practice it with, with maximal strength and power, which means you do one. So you jump in place as high as you can, and then you wait until you'll fully recover it and then do it again. And you're looking at maybe six reps of this resting three minutes and then repeating it. That's what a plyo is. It's not jumping a bunch of times or jumping at the end of a circuit or whatever way a lot of people do it. Eric, are you familiar with Paul, the guy I referred to? No. I have not heard of that one before. Oh, okay. He's the best in the business. Go to PGAF Performance is his Instagram. I mean, and just go down the rabbit hole, dude. His Instagram feed is full of great, I think he's the best in the business when it comes to teaching plyometrics for vertical. And, and he'll, and he has examples all up and down for free on his Instagram of exercises that you could literally take. And it's there, he's specifically speaking to basketball, but the carryover to volleyball is very, very similar. So those movements will benefit you the same way that it will benefit a basketball player. Go down the rabbit hole and look at his Instagram and check out all the stuff that he has on. He has all kinds of incredible drills that I think you can pluck from there and build it. And I didn't know you had our RGB. So you could follow like a maps performance and then build it in there, I think. Okay. All right, man. I was just going to say like, I feel so the lifting I've done before my arm swing when hitting I feel when I'm like getting close to my peak of like I don't know if it's mobility or just too big. I think it's probably lack of mobility. I just feel like it gets slower. Yeah. Not hitting as hard. Okay. So, so, so think of it this way. Right. So let's say you gain an inch on your arms. Okay. Which is a lot, right? You just built a ton of muscle in your arms. You're now swinging your arm and it requires different movement patterns that you're not used to. So it's like when you watch a, if you ever watch a dog in the first six months of their life or nine months, they grow real fast in the clumsy because they're not used to their body. So what you need to do is you need to practice the skills of volleyball way more than you lift weights so that the skills match the new size that you've built. Otherwise, what's going to happen is exactly what you said. You'll go try to do something that you did so well before and it's going to feel awkward. That's what's happening. You're feeling very awkward with the way your movement is. So you need to spend way more time playing volleyball than you do lifting weights if that's your priority and practicing the skills that you're talking about. Well, and to add on to what you're saying. So that means you, you actually should potentially modify even our programs. Right. So if, if we, and most are, most of the programs you have right now have three foundational days. If volleyball is really a priority, you probably only need two of those foundational days. Max, he's doing three to five days of volleyball, it says. Yeah. So you only need to be lifting one to two days. Here's the mistake that a lot of guys like you make is, and what Sal's alluding to is that you, you're trying to get all big and buff and you're trying to play your sport and what ends up happening is you're lifting in the gym almost as much as you. Competing goals. Yeah, they're competing. And then that was, and add in the fact that you're in a calorie surplus and you start to add weight. It totally hinders your volleyball. So if volleyball is this much of a priority where you're playing three to five times a week, you should only be lifting one to two days max in the gym. Right. And so take, take one of our programs, follow, follow one of the foundational days and then stick to your volleyball and believe it or not, that's enough. You'll build muscle. You'll lean out too, which is great, which will only support your vertical and your volleyball play. So say I have like a slow week or in between sessions of volleyball that sometimes there's like one or two weeks between sessions. That amount of lifting won't like stop. If I, during that time, I'm lifting like four days a week, three days a week. Yeah. Well, what I would do, if I was you and I was serious about volleyball and there's two weeks where there's only one or two games happening per week, I would still go to a court and I would practice my serves. I would practice, you know, hitting over the net. I would practice my verticals. Now, if my goals were physique, then I would lift more on those days. So it's up to you. But if it's volleyball, then what you should do instead of lifting more is you go and you practice the skills of volleyball. Sorry, I want those. I mean, that's, this is, but you, you just, you have to know that something has to give, right? So whichever one you're going to lean into more, you're going to compromise the other one a little bit. That's just part of life. Like they're not, that's why body builders aren't great volleyball players. And that's why most volleyball players aren't great body builders. You know, there's just, they're, they're conflicted. It doesn't mean you can't be a jacked volleyball player. You can be a jacked volleyball player who's fit and looks good, but you're not going to be. That's always been me. Yeah. So you're going to have to kind of blend that a little bit. So maybe, maybe the middle, maybe the middle ground is on those two week gaps is not four days week of lifting. Maybe it's now you go to two days or three days of lifting and then you play, you do more of the vertical speed and plyometric work we're talking about. Dial in your nutrition, is physique. Like that's, and you're trying to do that with your athletic pursuit. So lean out, lean out. Bro, if you've got any kind of muscle mass on your body and you just get lean, you'll feel like you look way bigger, especially when you take your shirt off. It's the illusion, right? So I hate the whole counting calories and macros and all that, but apparently sounds like I need to. I got a buddy who needs working but wants to be rich, but you know what I mean? You got to do it. You got to fucking do it if you want to be rich. It's nothing else All right. Thanks man. Thanks for calling in Eric. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. One at all. Then you get faced with the reality. You can't have it all. Especially these these physique pursuits. It's like, you know, like you can't remove all of that that goes along with especially the nutrition. I do think athletes need to understand because there's a lot of young athletes that they, of course, you want to look a particular way, but then you want to perform well. And if you gain what you came from, it's like, yeah, yeah, if you stop playing your sport and then you gain 15 pounds of muscle, yeah, you're bigger and stronger, but now you're moving in a new body. I'm still fighting coaches over this. You know what? This wasn't a thing 20 years ago. We highlight these these anomalies. Okay. Like a like a Doug pull up Reggie Bush cover of magazine. It looks like a freaking amateur bodybuilder. Yeah. And he's just a freak of nature and he's like, yeah, but we put them on covers of magazines that kids subscribe to when they look at and then we have Instagram where these guys only put their best pictures up and then you get this distorted idea of athletes are jacked and looked this way and it's like, no, this person is a total anomaly and most people that are great at their sport are just great at their sport. They have, they don't, they don't look like. Hey, I try as hard as he runs. You know, it's funny when it comes to like fighting, especially to I'm always, I'm always betting on the guy that that doesn't look as good because he's fucking serious. Hey, hey, it just happened. I'm going to counter that. You last, you have, I'm going to counter that though. Looking jacked keeps you out of fights. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. I don't know, dude, when you're, when you're, don't blame it on being jacked. Hey, when you, when you're jacked and you walk in, sure, there's a percentage of people that are like, bro, you exude extreme cockiness. That's why it's not because you're jacked, bro. It's because when you walk in, everybody feels it. Dude, this fucking guy, dude, there's always a guy trying to size you up, bro. People always be there's half the group that goes like, I don't want to follow that. There's a couple guys who are like, I want to test that guy. Yeah, I want to keep making this point with athletes. It's like, the skill of your, of your sport is the most important thing that you practice. I remember as a kid doing judo, I was, I was young, I was 15 doing judo. I took a summer off and I was just, this one, I really was squatting and deadlifting. I gained like 15 pounds of lean body mass, went back to judo thinking I was going to crush everybody. And I felt awkward because I was different. My body wasn't moving the same. This is a very common thing. I think that your, I struggled with, I loved basketball. I love basketball so much. I played every day. Every day I played at least an hour or more of basketball every day. And on weekends, three hours, I love the sport, but I wanted to be jacked so bad. And I couldn't figure out for the life of me why I couldn't do that. I just, I couldn't possibly eat enough calories and let my body recover enough to build the muscle. And as soon as I cut back on basketball, I started to put size on it. And then, then it came down to that like, well, how bad do I want to do that? And I realized that it doesn't mean I have to quit basketball altogether. It just means that it cannot be that high of a priority in my life. Yeah. Yeah. He's got to look at it just like we've talked about this before, like your video game character avatar, right? Like you have your different skill attributes. Yeah. And you can take away from one. Yeah. You can increase the other, but you can't do both. Yeah. You don't have all the power. You don't have these anomalies that are highlighted. That's literally the 0.01% of the world. Yeah. But they see that and they think, well, he's done it. Why can't I do it? And it's just like dumb. I wish there was a Konami code for life though, right? Up, up, down, down, left, right. Oh, strong, smart. I keep my hair too. Handsome. Keep my hair. I got perfect kids. My wife lets me go out with my friends. Yeah. No back knee or anything. Good. Our next caller is Tyler from California. Tyler, how can we help you? What's up, guys? How are we doing? Good, man. Yeah, dude. Appreciate you. All the content you guys put out. I'm a trainer in San Diego. Listen to you guys for about three years now. So. Oh, good deal. Love San Diego. That's a great town, man. Love that place. Great weekend for a Fourth of July. Yeah, definitely. So my question I'm just hopping into it is I always hear about the like I did your guys Xanabolic because I like to every once in a while try different programs and get myself out of, you know, like you guys always say, you know, similar exercise used to have a creatures of habit. But my question was when is it or could you elaborate on when it's superior or appropriate to train in one rep range solely for the for an amount of time let's say like three to four weeks, like linear periodization or switching the style every workout where you're hitting every rep range, each workout consistently, you know, starting with your big lift and then progressing through the workout purchase your range and then more of a endurance finish a range because I always find myself going back and forth with this with clients especially, you know, those two days a week, three days a week women or men, but it always I always go back and forth with it. And then I tried anabolic and I saw how it was the linear and then I I see research all the time with daily and visualization periodization. So I was just hoping you guys can maybe elaborate on that or Tyler. Okay. It's a good question. Let me ask you how long have you been a trainer since July of 2020? Okay. So a couple of years. What percentage of your success with your clients? Would you say psychological and in other words, working with your clients, mental states, psychological states, versus just the the mechanistic aspects of the workout and diet? Like, would you say it's more mental or would you say it's just a follow the, you know, color in the numbers? As far as like my success with them. Yeah. Yeah. Like how much I think definitely 50 50. I think I'm really good at also having that because my biggest thing was, you know, I can't program a certain, you know, if it's a heavy squat, then they come in and I start talking and getting an idea of how they're feeling or they didn't eat. You got it. Like I can't. You know, I don't know just still do it. No, you got 100% and you're an early trainer, but you've already figured that out, which is really good. So here's my second question. The mental state and the feel required for sets of one or two reps versus sets of eight to 12 reps. You know, if you're training in blocks rather than switching up every workout, mainly, especially with clients. Now, if you're super experienced and you can switch your mental state and the feel of how you train or whatever very quickly, which if you're experienced, you can probably do that. That's fine. But for most people when I would train clients in one rep range, it would take me a week before they'd really figure out how to get that rep, how to really get in that position, how to focus. So I like to train them for three weeks in that same rep range for the same reason why we do it that way. I also like to, I mean, because Sal's point is, and what I was going to ask you was, is this for you or is this for your client because the answer is different. Like if you're an advanced lifter and you've been a trainer to Sal's point, you totally can mix this up every day. You have the skill sets. You already understand the benefits of lifting heavy, of doing higher rep, lower rep. You're not going to, you know better than to neglect one. You're smart enough to follow a program even though you're a trainer, like you could, I do that all the time. I don't technically follow our training blocks. The way we write them all the time because I have the skill sets to weave in and out. And I like to sometimes, but I would always keep a client in these blocks because of the teaching purpose. Like I like when I'm training in a phase, whether it be an 8 to 12 rep phase or in a, you know, or a strength phase where I'm training three to five. I like to be able to coach to the adaptation we're focused on for the next three weeks, Susie, we're focused on strength. You know, this is how you do this. Do you notice that? Like, Hey, this is how I want your breathing. This is the way I want your mindset when you're lifting and we're being consistent every time she comes in versus, you know, she in a workout, she's got all these different rep ranges and one day we're training one way. The next day we're switching it up really hard for her to grasp what is really working for her body. Is it like those, the plyometric stuff that he taught me yesterday or is it the strength training block that he just did tomorrow and like, you know, so she's not, she's not able to make that connection yet even though all the research shows that it's pretty even, right? If you were to be somebody who changed it up every single day versus somebody who who ran in a phase for three weeks, we know that what the research says, it's pretty similar. It maybe gets edged out a little bit by switching it up. But the problem with that, it's hard to coach and educate somebody on what they're focusing on when you're constantly changing their routine up. Yeah. And it just, it's a different feel, man. When I'm training myself for a workout where I'm doing, you know, sets of three reps, it's very different mentally than when I'm doing workouts where I'm doing, you know, 10 to 15 reps. It's focused different on the body. I'm more focused on the movement, summoning my strength differently. Versus slowing down the tempo. Yeah, but versus when I'm, you know, 10 to 15 reps, I'm focusing on the contraction of the muscle and the stretch and the pump. It's very different. And that mental state is something that has to be trained and you have to know that your clients takes you two or three workouts before they're like, oh, I got this. I know how this works. So it doesn't make sense to do Monday's workout. You know, two to three reps and then Thursday you come back and we're doing 15 reps. Like the person just, it just isn't that effective at teaching that client the difference between those two different training styles. So training blocks work better and then to Adam's point you really figure out your body. Like I don't, how am I going to know which style of training causes more joint pain over three or four weeks or which style of training my body likes better. You know, that kind of stuff. If I'm always mixing it up, right? It's just more tangible metrics to go back on. Like it's really hard to tease that out when you're experimenting with a lot of different adaptations at once. So to be able to like just have them simplify it. And I think that I don't know, as a new trainer I think we're directed a lot more on the experience of it and trying to cater to the client's expectation coming in versus, you know, really sort of guiding and directing the simplicity of what really works. And so it's, it's tempting. It's tempting to make it this like crazy, you know, fun, engaging, like I did all this crazy shit today with you versus like, you know, like the, you know, the meat and potatoes of like really getting to the heart of like getting them successful. Yeah, Tyler, do you have at risk of enraging Adam? Do you have a map, maps, prime, prime, prime, prime? My guy, my guy, you know what's funny? I played, I did a lot of, I kind of have a little bit more of Justin's background. I play, do one football sports a lot. So I came from that kind of background. So I know that I get the mobility. I get the, especially when I heard him go off on that one first I was like, definitely. I wonder if people line up too. Yeah, I got it. You know, you're going to get that No, good deal. I hope we answered your question. I hope that gave you some clarification there. Yeah, I just, I always break it down because I found, especially with women, it was really hard for them to consistently be eating to where they are be able to do a heavy workout, the entire duration of, you know, for an hour. So I always was splitting up to maybe like this month we're going to focus just on your squat strength and your overhead press strength. Those are our focuses. I got that program and then after that I have moving patterns and trying to train and that's more intuitive based on how the work out's going, at least on the program. Going on the skill of the actual compound lifts like you're teasing out like one to two lifts you're really focusing on those. I love that but I'm going to help you communicate this to clients. Okay. So clients could care less about what you're doing unless you connect some kind of result that they're going to get from it. So I could say to them, Hey, this month we're going to focus on getting your squat strength way up. Okay. What does that mean is nothing. So what I would say is now here's what you can expect from that. You're probably going to get a rounder but you're probably going to get some more lower back development. I think your metabolism is going to speed up as well. We'll probably find that you're burning about 50 to 100 more calories a day which means you can eat more and maintain the same body fat or eat the same and get leaner. So that's what's going to come about from getting your squat stronger. You have to attach the results or what they get out of what you're doing because they're not trainers. Okay. What does that mean? Here's what it means for you, Mrs. Johnson. So make sure you communicate it that way because it'll make all the difference in the world for them to comply. Otherwise, they're going to ask you questions like, okay, well, yeah, okay, my squat went up but I still want to develop my butt. Right. And then you got to explain, oh, well, this is going to help develop your butt. So present it that way. It'll be way more effective and you'll get your clients to comply much more effectively that way. Cool. Appreciate it. I like that kid. Yeah, me too. I mean, that early on. That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, two years is a new train. Yeah, good question. I think, and I'm very thought provoking at that early on in his career. And what he was doing is not bad. No. After he explained kind of how he programs like, I mean, he's definitely heading down the right path for sure. Yeah. A lot of people, I mean, for people who are trainers who get this, but people who are thinking about being a trainer, a lot of what you do is lie. Are they going to enjoy it? Is this something that they want to do? Is this going to work for them? Like you could have the best routine in the world on paper, but if the client doesn't like it, either you learn to get them to like it or you got to change it. And that's just the reality because at the end of the day, it's all about consistency and about getting people to follow through. That's the bottom line. Our next caller is Trevor from Wisconsin. Trevor, what's happening, man? Hey, how are you guys? I had a question. My general question is on supplementation. And one of the things I've been struggling with just for some background is I'm 31. I'm a dad. I've been listening to you guys for years and I've been doing the fundamentals. I prioritize protein. I keep up on Whole Foods diet. I'm very focused on string training and water. You know, sleep the best I can. I have a pretty stressful job. And all around, I feel like I'm kind of captured the fundamentals through my course for the past couple years. I've been at my highest about 280 pounds, about 230 right now, 235. I've been playing to increase my metabolism with my exercise and my wife has made comments recently about, you know, you're trying to gain weight, which are close but better. You're looking better. And so I think the trade-offs I'm starting to see have been quite beneficial where I've been kind of targeting metabolically and more muscle mass. And one of the things that kind of sticks out in my head all the time as I listen to the program is all the amazing plethora of partners and supplementation that you guys work with. And I've been thinking about, you know, am I missing something with maybe some general supplements, some performance supplements? Are there things that are health, wellness, vitality in that category that I could use to benefit? And then should I just go into the world with a general understanding of how I feel? Or should I practice, you know, trying something, seeing how it works and then shifting from there? Or should I look towards the more targeted approach that seems to be more prevalent in the market where you guys are pushing to look at certain tests and then have the test and the analysis to then make better decisions when supplementing it. It's just a huge market and a huge category that I'm not sure how to navigate. I currently just use protein as a way to hit my protein targets and then create a list that I've used a multivitamin before, but I don't regularly take a multivitamin. I know your thoughts on that, but I'm kind of afraid to ask you, Sal, where to start, but to give it a whirl. I got about 50 supplements. Yeah. Yeah. First off, I was actually thinking about, like, I was thinking about, you know, fear and loathing. I don't have seen a movie where I would like the drug suitcase open to Sal. That's me, dude. Save your money, bro. Yeah. Save your money. I was actually going to say that. Save your money. I mean, we're about to head into some shitty times in the next six months or so and everybody should be saving their money. That's a good talker. You are... It's fucking true. Winter is coming. Winter is coming. Buy guns. Buy guns. We're in a recession, bro. Times are going to get time. Unless you're rich, if you're rich, you got money to throw around, then why not? Let's play with some supplements, but you're, and by the way, all my partners are going to hate me for saying this, but you're doing the things that I've been talking about since the beginning of the show well before we had partners and sponsors with the show. And that's, those are the big rocks, man. That's what's going to move the needle. That's what's going to make you feel better, look better, be stronger. Now, does that mean that you could not potentially benefit from some supplements? Sure. Maybe there's some, somewhere you're lacking and if you feel, but if you're not, if you don't have the signs, like if you're not telling me like, Adam, I just, my energy levels dip or I've got, I've got this chronic that I would tell you you're probably doing pretty damn good and stick to what you're doing unless you've got this disposable income you want to play with and try those different things. I mean, creating beneficial, you're already taking that protein to hit your protein targets, beneficial, you're already doing that. Those are the mega ones. The only other thing I would say, and you already said it is go get tested, which there's, you can get very inexpensive testing through Dr. Cabral and I can't remember the link maybe Doug can find that for me before we hang up here, but isn't there a link they could go to or we'll get free information there first. It's MP holistic health on Facebook, but nonetheless, do testing because if you have a nutrient deficiency or let's say you have a little bit of high of heavy metals, like that will make a huge difference to solve that problem versus just taking general supplements that you'll find out there. So I would say, I always recommend this to people is get tested, see if you're lacking anything because that makes a big difference or if you need to supplement to help with any toxicities in your body like heavy metals and then creatine and protein are very, very, very useful for most people. Everything else is like, you know, it's like the cherry on top, you know, okay, so I have a green juice when I don't need a lot of vegetables. I'll take that sometimes. I like a pre-workout before I work out because it gets me hyped up and to be honest with you, I like the feeling of taking caffeine, so that's cool too. You know, I like the gold juice at night for relaxation but also taste good and it's fun, but do I need a diet, really good diet? You know, I'd stay consistent with my exercise. Unless I had a nutrient deficiency, I wouldn't need anything. That's the, that's the 100%. Yeah, keep in mind, he has a disposable income and he gets a lot of that shit for free. So it takes all that stuff all the time. So that's half of why that bag is there. And based off of your perfectly healthy-looking beard, I'd say you're probably doing great. Look at that beard. That's like the most perfect beard I've ever seen before. Yeah, you look pretty healthy, bro. Oh, it's a lame Jordan's fat loss forever. Yeah. So I took a very like analytical approach to it and actually fixed nutrition way before I got into gym. Perfect. So I fixed nutrition and I started getting down in there. I started setting up appropriate, you know, targets. I'm over 3,000 calories right now and I'm seeing body composition changes. Awesome. So my, my, my daughter's two and a half and I'm, I'm trying not to get out angled at the bus stop when she turns five and I'm at kindergarten dropping her off. Good dad, yeah. I know that, I know that this is going to take years and, and Sal, you made a point there. I, I have tried a pre-workout but I currently work out at night after I put my daughter to bed and I go to the gym about seven or eight. So I can't do 200 milligrams of caffeine. I looked on Legion's website and I thought like, is it worth doing non-stimulant pre-workout for, you know, any reason. You know what, you know, it'll make a big difference. Drink some electrolytes. So you can put some salt in your water and the company will work with very inexpensive. Put that in some cold water. Drink some before your workout during your workout. As long as your nutrition was good during the day, you're fine. You're right. You don't want caffeine at night. If your sleep is fine, then I wouldn't mess with anything either. But you, so one of their, I have a hard time working out after five. It disrupts the way I sleep. If you don't have a problem coming down, then I won't recommend anything to you. But that might be something you pay attention to is like, oh man, when I work out, do I have a hard time doing something like a HD? Like that might be have some benefit to you. A mellow has been life changing for me. Part of the reason why it was because I was deficient there. So supplementing with that was a major difference for me for falling asleep at night. So there's some things like that. But you, I mean, when you led with that, you didn't lead with problems you're having. You're going to hear from us that you're, I think you're doing a hell of a job and stick with the big rocks that you're doing. Totally. But if you notice something that isn't right, and there's something obviously off, then there's some value for sure in supplementing there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, except I'm 31. I've got blood work done recently. It looked good. I don't take any medications for anything, for any reason other than maybe like an occasional ibuprofen or something. So, I ate whole foods and just lift weights. And that's, you know, it's pretty much it, you know, there's no real issue on pointed towards. I was just thinking, there's so many great partners you guys work with and so many products that sound attractive. It's like, I don't want to buy into the temptation just buying a bunch of shit and just taking it, you know. We appreciate the support. Except, except magic spoon magic, magic spoon is delicious and I do eat magic spoon. Yeah. I did, I did have one supplemental question to the original. No pun intended. I, I recently moved out of the gym that I was in where I had the equipment that my trainer and I had developed programming around and now that I moved in the rural area, I'm out where I live. There's a little small gym that are just some freeways, dumbbells, barbells. And I, I think I know the answer, but I'm ready to join the maps program team here. And so is, is anabolic where I probably start for a couple of days a week. We'll send that to you. That's the one man. You'll love that. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't, I've done a lot of the online videos of all the priming and mobility work, but I don't own, but I'm not a trainer. So I get a pass, right? Yeah. That's the theme right now. It's okay. Maps anabolic is going to blow you away. That's going to blow. You got all the stuff down there. Yeah, bro. I'm excited for you. You got your diet down and sleep. I mean, watch when you follow anabolic. Your strength is going to go through the roof. Yeah. Follow anabolic and get in that, get in that Dr. Cabral's forum. So the MP holistic health forum in there. I think there's just lots of good free tips. So I think there's some value in there. Maybe you'll pick up some good tips, but it's free. So join that, get in there and follow anabolic bro. Can't wait to hear from you. Yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks so much. And you guys are such an inspiration. I've learned so much about like how to handle relationships and how to, you know, do business, the intentionality you guys have when you talk to each other and just the bond you guys have. It just, it bleeds over another area as a life. So I know the fitness is what we're focused on, so. Appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks guys. You got it. Yeah. You know, it's funny about supplements is if you have a genuine nutrient deficiency, supplements are a life changer. Life changer. If your vitamin E is low, if your zinc is low, if your magnesium like yours, Adam was low, you supplement with those things and it's like, oh my God, this really solves so many problems. That's when supplements are super important. Otherwise, it's convenience and it can help and creatine I like, creatine across the board seems very beneficial. Protein powder seemed to be very valuable for a lot of people, but other than that, I mean, they're just fun. They're fun things to add and if your diet, sleep and exercise are off throwing supplements on top of that stuff. A lot of novelty out there. Yeah. So it's Adam's point really if you have, you know, if you want to experiment and you want to look at it like that, like it's something that's like, you know, it's a fun idea and I want to see a disposable income. You know, go for it. That's how I look at it. If you have the money to spend and it's not a big deal for you to throw a couple hundred bucks here and there to try and stuff like that, then sure, why not? But if you, if you're not suffering from anything chronic, if you've done blood work and been tested and everything looks good, you're carrying the big rocks, I'm never going to tell that person to go buy a supplement. No. Why? And I take, I take all the supplements I do because I have a problem. I have a problem. That's the reason. That'd be like me promoting everybody to eat cheese. Yeah. Well, you all, you also have disposable income and it's fun. So that's, it's okay to say that and to, to encourage. Don't encourage my addiction. No, I mean, listen, I mean, and I've gone through these phases too. Sure. If you have the disposable, why not play with your health? Yeah. Why not try tweaking things and oh, if I add a little bit more sodium in my diet, oh, wow, I noticed the difference in my, oh, if I add a little bit. Yeah. I'm not going to turn tricks to get supplements, right? It's just not, not until it gets real hard. Come to that creatine, baby. Look, if you like our show, you gotta head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have so many guides that can help you out and they're all free. Mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on social media. Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. How do I incorporate cardio and not lose muscle? I've seen people do this before where they'll start to lose the sharpness of their muscles or they'll start to lose the sculpt a little bit and that's disheartening. If you do it right, then you minimize that muscle loss or that metabolism slow down. In fact, if you do it right, you can actually speed up your metabolism at the same time that you build stamina and endurance. You just have to be able to kind of program it properly. And the way to program it improperly is just go do it as much cardio as you can for as long as you can. Right.