 At seven o'clock I'll convene the public hearing for the land use and development regulations. These were amendments to the most recent update of the land use regulations. There are two amendments and they both involve what used to be known as the worm on Crosstown Road. First was to amend the rural district section 2109, rural 218 district paragraph D line two for the lot frontage to read, lot frontage 300 feet minimum from what was voted as 120 minimum. And the other amendment is to amend section 2110, upland conservation district paragraph D line two, lot frontage to read, lot frontage 400 feet minimum from the current 180 minimum. The Planning Commission has had a public hearing on this and they believe that it conforms with and furthers the goals and policies contained in the municipal plan, including the effect of the proposal on the availability of safe and affordable housing. Any comments? We're in favor of it. We're in favor of it. Okay. Absolutely. Any other comments from the board? This is going to be one short. I know I feel like I should make something up. Actually the area that, at least in our area of the mouth, 218 used to be classed as high on conservation and it was 300 feet. And everybody out there is 300 feet and it got changed to 120. It would have really changed the nature of the mangrove a lot. There are a couple of homes that, you know, the lots aren't 300 feet, but they pre-existent zoning. The land's either leadge or wet, just wouldn't support a higher density. Yeah. And this came up because at the select board public hearing, you remember, they were concerns brought, but with the way the timing was for the vote and everything, it was tight. So everybody in the neighborhood up there is satisfied with this? Yeah, there was a hell of a meeting actually before the vote and I think probably my neighbor showed up and they were all in favor. Apparently there were people that were in favor of the change, but they didn't show up for the meeting, there's one right, but they didn't show up for the meeting. Yeah, there were. There were people that showed up that wanted to change back to how in conservation dimensions. So if the select board has no objection, this would go to the clerk for ballot polls. Yep. And probably coincide with one of the other upcoming meetings. Let's hope so, yeah. We knew that by this, there's a procedure that Rosemary has to do as far as so many days in advance and post the warning. And so, but I imagine it will be in the next 30 to 60 days. Thank you for being here to bring your views forward. So we can send this on to just a consensus or you can vote on it. Why don't you do a motion just so that we have one? I'll entertain a motion to take in further, to pass the proposed land changes to the land use and development regulations to the town clerk. I make a motion to propose the changes to the land use and development regulations and have it go forward to the clerk. Jeremy? Second. All those, any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Now we will start the regular select board meeting. To my left is Flo Smith. Jeremy Hansen is here on the phone and Dana Hadley and Diane Isabel are both here. Additions or changes to the agenda Dana? I do have some additions, Brad. I would like to add, I forgot to put on the award of the Lawn Services contract. I'd like to add on to that. I'd like to add on some news about the hazard mitigation update that I'd like to talk to you about. And I would like to add a right of way permit application that we received today. I thought it was something else. No, okay, that's all, yeah. Okay. Public comment, hearing none. Treasurer's report, Diane. Okay, I've sent out 24 letters to residents that were passed to and have been for over a year and I hadn't received any money from them whatsoever. So I offered them a payment plan and some information so they'd get back in touch with me. So out of the 24, I had 15 that responded and most of them have either signed up to pay monthly, a couple of them have paid in full and then others have made agreements with me. So I've only got nine at this point that have not. And so those I'll be sending letters to next week to begin the tax sale process if I don't hear anything else. But at least I think we're getting moving on these. Were these agreements, Diane, so that people will be successful in other words? Yes. Yeah. Monthly agreements that I felt would be affordable but within our terms. And I've had, like I say, very good response from the people that have talked to me about it. That's all I've got right now. That's it. Okay, thank you. Let's see here. Approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications? I make a motion that we accept the approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications if there's no comment. The general fund accounts payable warrant number 19G22 with checks 19.082 to 19.105 in the amount of $25,162.73. The payroll warrant number is 19-22 for payroll from April 14th, 2019 to April 27th, 2019 in the amount of $40,275.65. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. And let's see here. Keith Paxton, Cornerstone Catering? Keith, yeah, come on out, Keith, yeah. Thanks for being here, Keith. Keith is here to speak to you about catering licenses of possibly allowing the town clerk to approve them that would save the process of going through the board. So I will let him state his case. Sure, so most of the towns that we work in throughout the state, you can go into the town clerks and they'll sign off on generally most request for catering, which is the alcohol licensing for towns. When we started up in Barry, they went to the same process. It was once we could go in front of city council and they had to approve it and so I worked with them, kind of presented to them. They ended up changing their policies in Barry so now Carol Dawes can go in and sign off on it. Same thing with Barry town. Barry town, the select board was the same thing. They don't meet very, they don't meet often. And so what happens is if somebody was to contact me, say tomorrow and they were looking for a catering or something quick for this coming weekend, it makes things difficult or even next week if it was a funeral or something, just something that needed quicker turnaround time. So I guess all I was looking for is to see if Berlin would consider maybe changing their policies to allow their town clerk to be able to sign off on requests such as that. And what I would recommend is maybe following along the lines of what the state permits, meaning for events of 250 people or smaller, it's quite easy to kind of go through the state. When you start getting into larger events like that, they're looking for more security and for double barriers and things of that nature. But I think what I was just wondering if Berlin would consider is kind of adopting the same policies as some of the other towns around and maybe for events of 200 or less, allowing the clerk to be able to sign off on it. This was not for licenses, it's just catering permits. Just the catering aspects? Strictly, it's a one day permit that gets signed off by the town, goes to the state, the state gets signed off on by the state, which is really essentially signed off by the state liquor inspector for that area. I did speak with Carol in Barry and she does approve the catering ones. If she does not know them, she sends those to the council. Or if it's a new one they haven't had before, or if there's something unusual, or if there's been a problem in the past. So I don't think you're gonna make a decision tonight with the attendance we have, but Keith wanted to come in and chat with you about it. So this is just for food and alcohol? It's really the only thing I have to pull a permit for is for alcohol. So for example, if you were to say, we're having a surprise birthday party for your wife and you wanted to have beverage services, but you don't want it, so you can do one of two things. You can provide the alcohol yourself and you can assume all the liability or you can hire a company like us who has a specific catering license, not any bar can do this or restaurant. It does the specific license. And then we come and we carry $2 million worth of liability insurance. We assume all the liability are satisfactorily trained and certified by the state. What would have to be done if we were to do this, what would have to be done to change it? It would just require a vote by you authorizing the town clerk to have the authority to approve catering licenses. And has the board ever been asked to approve catering licenses in the past $2 million? Not in my tenure. The catering license does say on it to be approved by the town clerk. And it's interesting because the board does not sign those, they sign licenses, but not, it's just the clerk that signs it. And I spoke with Rosemary about it and she was comfortable with it as long as similar to what Carol does in Barry. If she didn't know somebody or they had never had one before. And we've had some that come, we don't know, they're from Randolph or someplace, and I don't know who they are either. Carol's process, as you explained it sounds. I mean, I think, you know, it's really the thing that as Keith says, what I think would be helpful to people is that if you do have a last minute thing, we only meet first and third Thursday. And as you know, we have that license. I had to call you all in for special meeting. So just to give you that. Think about it. I'm not opposed to it. I just think that we should definitely bring it before. Well, I think I should put it on the next meeting or something like that. Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. That way everyone will be in attendance and we can all discuss it as a whole. And I would recommend putting, you know, from my standpoint, I would recommend putting a limit on there too. You know, if somebody was to come to you and say we're doing an event for 300 people, I would say that should absolutely go in front of, you know, a select board. After you get up to a certain number of people, don't you have to have facilities and everything else? All towns are different. And no, there's no state requirements. For sanitation or anything like that? Really? That's not a DLC thing. That could be a town ordinance, but I've yet, well, Like a documents that you're something. Right. I mean, one of the biggest events we do is probably like the war in 4th of July. That's a large event, but that's organized by the 4th of July committee who asks us to come in and has already been pre-approved by the town. And so I still go and. We usually have things like Northfield Savings Bank having an event or. Majority of ours. Or one of the, you know, or something at the Grange. Well, most of those, I mean, those are even Northfield Savings Bank. I don't think there's probably 120 people there. Oh, I don't think so. I think it was like about 15 or something like that. So those are the ones that I'm more, you know, kind of asking if you'd be going to consider having the town clerk be able to kind of rubber stamp those and. Well, those smaller events are probably more common than the larger ones. Absolutely. The majority of the ones that we do are smaller. Smaller. Smaller. Smaller than less? Less than 200. Absolutely. Yeah. Rarely do we do one that's over 200. Yeah. Well, I have no objections to it, but. I'm going to put it on the agenda for next time. I have no objections either. Yeah. I make a motion that we put it on the agenda for the next meeting. Jeremy? Okay. Okay. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Two weeks. Perfect. Thank you so much for being here. Yes, thank you. I bet. Okay, Beth? Yeah. The guys are running fast. Yeah, good timing. Yeah. They're trying to get you out of the app. No worries. No worries. So my husband Dave and I are the tree wardens for the town and we thought it would be good to revisit the whole issue with Roadside trees and emerald ash borer with new members on the select board and Some you can provide some updates on where we're at We got approval from the select board last I don't know several months ago I guess to conduct a roadside inventory of ash trees In the wake of emerald ash borer in the area So if you're not familiar with emerald ash borer, let me know and I can tell you a little bit about That past and why it's of concern For roadside trees. Do you want to run down? They are So to the state developed Inventory procedure and has a sort of master server that we've been using To gather information so any town can make use of this inventory process It's uploaded onto a statewide database Where we're able to interact with Elise the woman from the state to get information back as it's uploaded we have We've had seven people working on the inventory to date We determined as a group how we were going to proceed with the inventory and what we decided on was measuring ash trees that were at least six inches in diameter and Making a distinction if there was a power line right of way or power line on the same side of the road that the ash tree was on So there are places in town where there's power lines outside the town road right of way We didn't pay attention to that if the power line was on the other side of the road from where the ash tree was We didn't pay attention to that We also collected information on dead trees of any species that were at least 20 feet tall we're out there collecting data anyhow. Those are other wrist trees So we figured while we were there we would collect that information We measured from the center line of the road 25 feet center line of the traveled corridor 25 feet either side to establish roughly a 50-foot right of way, okay To date we're about half done and we're over there over a thousand trees On average we're looking at about 35 trees per mile but I this is This is just to give you sort of a picture of density Cross-town road has quite a density cross-town road is right here Berlin pond road has quite a density So this is just information in GIS that we can use to start to Prioritize how to how to address this how to visualize what's going on out there and When it comes time to start making decisions we can use this as a filter to help sort of Visualize those wasn't in a perfect world that trees would be removed. Was that the So the best The different towns are handling this different ways Montpelier is taking what what we term a reactive approach They're not moving removing any trees until emerald ash borer has that been identified in the tree It's a little bit different situation down there They have roadside trees that have aesthetic value were a little bit more of a rural community Northfield did sort of a preemptive removal where they and I The tree warden is out of town. He'll be back in a couple weeks, but they actually had a Logger come in with a feller buncher. They shut down a section of road. They have the feller buncher come in Are you familiar with this? Yeah, you probably know more than I do then Yeah, so they were removing all of the trees But the landowners they've got to give them the okay Rutland Rutland actually owns all the town roads rights of way So and they're there tree warden is also an arborist, so He he took care of it for them. They didn't have the issue of landowner So there's a lot of different ways to deal with it So in talking with other towns and what's going you know where they're at and the issues They're facing there's a lot of towns that are kind of in the same boat And we got a couple take-homes from that those discussions And one was a strong recommendation that we form a committee to deal specifically with Methods of control whether it's preemptive removal selective removal whether the town road crews going to do this Whether the town chooses to do nothing And kind of deal with it as the trees are infested the other and then If removal is decided upon how that's going to happen There's got to be landowner notification Who gets the wood what happens to the tops? So there's a lot of issues to think about to how to deal with that once you know a processes or once a Decision is made on how to whether to cut or how to cut The other the other take-home we got was lots of communication with taxpayers So I I Would propose and offer that any time there's a town mailing going out to taxpayers Dave and I get sort of an advanced notice and we will put something together And with your approval they have that put in to communication Once we get the inventory done. I'd also suggest that we offer a meeting, you know a town meeting or Gathering or walk along a road to discuss the issues with any interested taxpayers just to keep them informed and Understanding what all the issues are The other take-home that we got from towns that are Have made the decision to sort of move ahead in a systematic way is Some sort of incremental treatment whether it's budgeting a certain amount of money a year a Certain section a road each year a certain distance of road Emerald ash borers in Montpelier, and it's in berry. It's likely in Berlin. We haven't found it yet Once a tree is infested it dies Within one to four years once the tree is dead It fails from the base. They don't drop their limbs one at a time like a pine tree does Once the tree is dead, you can't have anybody climb it so automatically you have to have a ladder truck come in So the cost of removal after a tree is failed is Or dead is three times higher than prior Prior to the tree dying So anyhow, that's that's just a real a real quick update of where we're at, you know, we have more work to do I think we've hit knock on wood We've hit the roads that have the highest density of ash, but we've been surprised Once we get out there and start actually looking at how much is there your meaning that they they say anything about Landowner education on this or well, that's kind of what the Frequent in information going out to landowners. I'm We're happy to post something on the town website if that's an appropriate mechanism for you know for knowledge or if the Front porch forum, maybe I don't I you know We'll take your suggestions on that. We're happy to to get the information out there and Respond in a limited capacity to you know to questions, but We certainly could put it on the web page and I think last year we mailed something Thinking the Berlin news-to-nose that Corinne Stridesburg puts out too. That's a great idea. Really really well a lot of people read that They do okay, they do. Yeah And and we certainly could put something in this year's tax bills. Yeah, okay. That's really the main mailing we have but that goes to The most people I guess okay What was your finding in terms of the quantity of dead risks risk trees? You know, it's really interesting. There's I Didn't break that out as a percentage on that map, but if you look at it The yellow dots are dead trees. There's not this is just something that we we've been there, but there's no Yeah, so it's not a it's I'm gonna say 15% something like that And so again Dave and I Sit around and talk about trees a lot I guess but We were we were mulling over if we were going to put a committee together what would be you know, sort of the logical people to have on that and It made sense to us to have a select board member on the committee Ginger Anderson has been helping us out and I would ask if she was interested in participating She works for the state. She's also a forester So she would have some of the perspective of you know from the state on what's going on and then a representative from the road crew somehow Ultimately, they you know, that's yeah, they're gonna be very involved in this So when are you thinking that might get pulled probably late some mid to late summer something like that and it So when for if decisions were going to be made To to implement some sort of program next year when from your timeline When does that need to be made for instance if money we're gonna be allocated or at least you know time or resources well as far as money we do the budget in October November timeframe October November December Which doesn't take effect to the following July. Okay, so we're like 18 months if you will from the time we budget it to the time we're actually in that budget Depending on how much How many resources it is? I mean there might be something we can do in the meantime. Okay, if it's if it's significant Obviously, we haven't planned for that. Yeah Well, maybe maybe August would be a good time to get a committee together to start to think about the best way to tackle this So I can check directly with Corinne Do you Would you like me to pass any correspondence that goes out to the public before you I would like to know What it is in case I get phone calls about it Yeah, and I certainly could pass it on to Corinne if that saves you a step. Okay, either way. All right Yeah, that's excellent. And and how about on the and and and the webpage we can take care of that as well Okay All right, you have a mailing that you'd like us to mail out with the They go out in July. Yeah, they got mid-July. I said by the beginning of July I'd have to have them. Okay, and I have to have like Okay, well we could And then whatever else you need for help Okay You know where the town's at with trying to figure out There is a pesticides available for people that have trees in their yard that they would they want to Save It's costly. So that would be another another thing if anybody was Could they give the pesticides to the tree before it's infected or no, they have to know it is before Yeah, and then every other year. Yeah, so it's like a treatment that they mm-hmm. Yeah ongoing. Yeah So Good. Thank you very much One loss coming in When their fellow manager, yeah, and he has a contract with Burlington Electric for chips So they're they're they're doing the cutting and Chippin and all for free Because That's Bruce. Yeah Yeah, that's Russ Barrett is their their tree ward and so I love to understand more of How they did that the time of year and you know how many trees or volume Yeah, we can't we don't leave anything But I don't know There's yeah, well, I guess I guess from what I've heard from them guys over there is is that he kind of wants to Because to make it worth his time and money to run his equipment Well, that's the fact it's a shorter haul than worry What they do is Saying they shut the road down And they just lay everything in the road and hook on to it skidder and drag it up the road and run it through a chipper He's over there right now It's easy to skid on a road and in the woods right now Easier on the equipment, I don't know about the road But yeah, anyhow any other questions or no, thank you for all of your efforts. Yeah, thank you much for coming in back. Yep Okay, Tim, what's up if we could Yeah This is a right-of-way permit to Drill monitoring wells in the right-of-way and paint turned back north at the Honda garage Yeah, I'll let you sure console one So my name is Joe Hayes and with ATC were Environmental engineering consulting firm for Bradford oil company who's the responsible party for the old gas leak That was out there when the gas station was there. There was gas leak in the ground And so we've been testing dad for a few years now and the Vermont DEC has asked now that we test across the road Because one of the monitoring wells that we're testing where the old gas station is that is right along Trying to get my orientation, but you know where to get that side of the road where the gas station was Has the highest level of contaminants in that one well So they want to go across the road To see if the gasoline has gone underneath the road onto the the Honda dealership property Yeah, he saw yeah, and so they've asked for three test warings. This is the Vermont DEC Has asked for three test warings across the road from the old gas station convenience store and then of the three Where we if we find contamination over there One that has the highest levels of contamination. They want to put a well in a monitoring well It would be you know flush to the ground It would come up and they would have a protective road box over it like a you know Like a you know, they call it a water curb box and basically that's what they've asked us to do So that's what that permit is for us to we want to try to keep the warings off the road in the grassy area That's what we really want to do and we spray painted the three locations over there for dick safe And we plan to have the town Someone from the town out there and the Berlin water department and the dick safe people because obviously we don't want to drill through Anything underground any pipes or electricity or anything like that. I want to line waterline Sewer line so that's the plan Oh, we were we were provided with the backup paper work I'm confused you said that you were what was the first step before so you're nowhere to put this well Yes, so the the EC has asked in this site plan that that we sent you right here if we could just refer to this Can I hold this up so every once you see this so Here There's the old maple woods being in store here and The gasoline leaked on this side and it's moving in this direction Okay So this particular monitoring well here MW for which is right on the edge of the road over here in the in the Grassy strip has the highest levels of contaminant the levels have actually dropped off quite a bit over the last several years But this one happens to have the highest So Vermont DC wants to know has it moved under the road onto these properties over here I think the I call it the Shah's kind of comes down here and then you got the Honda dealership So we've got three locations the state said drill test forings into the ground To see if any of these have any traces of gasoline and how far off the road There are only a couple feet off the corner of the of the curb of the road onto the grass I'm trying to think if there's no ditches A curve with catch basins all the way down through I did see the catch faces right on the edge of the road And there could very well be water line or sewer line over in their sewer line Yeah, so we might have to shift these yeah, I mean that's the idea We're not going to drill here if there's something underground here like a pipe or it'll we move these into a safe The new water line just runs side of that curve On the grassy area. Yeah, so we may have to move further How far is the right of way? Do you know how far does that extend? Is it off extend so many feet off center line the road? Usually 25 Yeah, I think pain turnpike is bigger than 50 foot right away. I think it's 75 foot right away there So we might want to just confirm that with the town first I'd like to know because if we end up on private property And we've got to go to the private property owners and get permission. It'd be if we're outside the right of way You probably don't need your doing do we still need your for outside the right away? No No, then you're on your own. Yeah So it's important this whole dig safe in meeting with the town or you know sewer and water is important So we can know where we can safely drill these task warnings But these are approximate locations right now that we have but it will depend on what you know what? Utilities are under the ground and then we'll shift these around until we get a safe location Well, I mean the water systems only about four years old So you should have a pretty good map before this place. Yeah, I've got an excellent I think we have good records of all those So I'm not sure about the sewer line that land above the Honda Rudge It shows drywood Wayne Lamberton. Oh, he does own that. Okay. Okay All right So if we're in in but the right away would extend on his property to right all the way up through well up to the drive right Into the Shaw's yeah, but I think he owns after Shaw's too Yeah, he bought he bought that land that's what Yeah, yeah, I think he owns the Shaw's driveway actually Well, maybe we are a touch base of them, but we don't want anybody to be surprised They only do this so we may There's a fire hydrant right there. I saw that. Yeah, right my Shaw's entrance. Yeah, and now Waterline is roughly right there. So we do not want to drill into anything like that. So we're gonna want to do a sewer lines in the street But sewer lines in the street, but it goes out through By the Honda garage cuz gotta go to the pumping station over there. Yeah, okay But you have some drawings and stuff here We'll send someone by to take a look at the make a speak with Tom. He'll have okay But I'll see yes So What you needed tonight you're gonna start this it's it's next week whenever we get all the dig safe cleared out and all that Stuff next week. No can dig dig safe won't be able to locate that waterline because it's plastic Yeah, so is that the burl in well, how's the tracer wire in it? Oh, it does okay So you got a tracer wire coming up to to most all the shutoffs. They ran a tracer wire above the pipe Okay, so they should be able to clamp on to that. Yeah, it's that a signal through that should be able to now is the water Department is that the town? Yeah, so we'll want to get that I Who should so Tom would be the one we turn them and die in you on the diet Okay So Tom can pull the maps for you and he would be able to show you where the sewer line is Perfect because I don't know for sure where the sewer line goes It's got to go right there through by the on the grout somewhere. It's because the pumping station is right out It's okay somehow, but I don't know about any of the if there's any underground services for power Okay, so well, you know, we'll make sure we get that But that's the plan and then once we put that well in we'll have to test it So we'll come back And and collect a sample of water from the well have it analyzed and we put a report together And that goes to the Vermont DEC and then based on what we find They'll they'll ask to maybe do more testing or if they don't see much over there They may be good with it and then what eventually the wells have to be abandoned or closed out So the state will require us to come back fill them with grout and pull the Steadicasing out of the ground and patch it over. So that's ultimately what happens to these old these gas station sites They eventually get cleaned up and then the wells get abandoned and the site gets actually closed It's called a smack if the Vermont DEC calls a site management activity completed So that's what we're hoping will happen at some point in the near future He has a completion day here at May 9th Yeah, so that must be the day. That's the day that that's the target date of the drilling So what day let's see that would be today is the second right? So it's Thursday, so that's the target date to do the drilling assuming we have clearance from sewer water Electric before and also what we do is we hand Core with a hand auger five feet Before we actually send the drill rig down through and in the drill rig is a small like F-250 350 Type truck, it's not the huge water well drills that drill. That's easy. It's a smaller. Yeah And so now you go with the drill. We're planning on 15 to 20 feet Theory of Ledge. Oh, yeah We hope to find water before that though, so you can put the well in you know, because we typically Don't drill into the bedrock. I mean sometimes we have to if the state wants us to but Usually if there's enough water on top of the bedrock, that's where the gasoline is going to be Yeah, if we find it over there And then of course it depends if there's a good layer of gravel for it to move through if it's clay down to the crack Yeah, I mean, you know, it's possible we find it and the states is will go a little further So we have to put together another plan to go further downhill, you know, it depends on what we find over there in this first iteration So we suggested that Joe come in and get the permit tonight because he wants to have it completed next week So basically what you need is a motion to approve drilling These wells off of the right-of-way, that's right I second that motion Let's add the stipulation that it as long as dig safe says it's on the they can do it on the town property or a town right away I Second the motion as long as I can't make a motion I Basically second the motion with the caveat that Brad just explained about dig safe completing that portion an aspect Okay Any other discussion all those in favor hi hi There you go great Yeah, she's the one that you know her she's the one she called me and I Okay, good. Yeah, so she'll be the one that'll be back here looking at the maps and she'll actually be out there overseeing the drill With our company Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. You're growing great. Thanks Okay, Tim, what's up? Well, we have three things for Tim And I think I'm gonna ask if you would start with the garage heaters first We had talked about that last time and I had asked if you would hold off on a decision so that I could get a third quote I did not get a third quote So that means I have and I I guess we've given it enough time. So we have two One of the quotes is from Bob Belch His quote I believe for two Monique am I right on this replacing both furnaces was fifty one hundred thirty-three dollars for two and then we had the quote from the lesbians I think theirs was two two They had a quote for one it was like forty four ninety and then two was seven thousand something That was the quote was Seventy-one hundred dollars was for a new oil furnace But we'll get let's be some quotes we have it here. Yeah Because when when he was there Scoping out the thing over there. He said it was gonna take two For the oil furnace no or just in general propane One of the oil furnaces is dead. Yeah, but both I mean the the Both of the modine are going to be if they're going to go if you're going to propane That's for the That'll be for the two Propane modines is seven thousand you said Was that no Gillespie's gave us a quote for an oil furnace go back to Staying the same as it is over there. Yeah, but he suggested to go to propane Because it's Cheaper there's a computer natural gas propane and Another problem that we have is that that our fuel tank over there for the furnaces is on the ground Yeah, that would eliminate that Because we got to have the state come in here shortly And we got to dig up our diesel fuel tank Yeah and Have it clean so that we can bury it and They figured that If you're gonna do one was all I'm doing both over here because that Tank has been in there since I was here in the 80s. Yeah So I mean you're you're looking at This guy that was just here putting the well in The only thing that I know that it's different with Bobby's Quote and Gillespie's Gillespie's quoted us 250 BTUs and Bobby Sounds like a good price 51 33 for two. Well, that's gonna be I can't be 250 No, no hundred and fifty thousand BTU No, it's 250 BTUs, but it's that's natural gas and the reason that Bobby went with 350 is is because When you go to propane, it's not as much BTUs. Yeah, there's no gas So he said to get the same heat that we're getting with them oil furnaces over there You had to go to at least the 350 Because you lose a percentage of your BTU's with propane No, well how big a tank are they gonna put in? Um, maybe 1,000 gallon one really. You get some problems with not being able to vaporize fast enough when it gets cold out Well, I'm not having a very good success finding that quote, so maybe I'll have to put this till next meeting So that you can do it. Well, we're not using the furnace though. I must have it. Oh, I'm getting come on today. Yeah, hopefully you won't need to use it much more We shouldn't even be having to put our heat on this time of year So I apologize Then they Gillespie suggested that The oil tank here is on the ground too That we put it next to the fence by the generator and they would suggest that Within time here that you might want to switch this building to One 250,000 BTU propane fired molding unit heater from Gillespie was $4490 That was for one Was there a discount for the tube? It it wasn't there wasn't as far as it was not a math math because we weren't We weren't talking of doing anything because the problem that we had was is the furnace in the front part of the shop It's the one that's bad. Yeah, I mean, it's really bad works harder, too yeah and we don't run the heat that part of the building that high and Now the one in the back part of the building Did each of them propose a time frame if they were selective how soon they could they they did not But I don't think it's a long time For winter. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, because we don't need it now, but We're gonna have to do something before next winter. So you better to get it done because if it We put in of course Bobby doesn't sell propane So we're gonna end up buying a propane from Gillespie because that's who we buy it from anyway We got to dig through the yard there Any chance of firing the journey or propane That's diesel so yeah, I don't think all right we'd have to this one though some some diesel You just take in it's a novel on the intake Usually the diesel fuel fires the propane the propane But I've been here seven years that generally doesn't kick on off about runs every Tuesday morning for 15 minutes And then it's it's we've used it a few times with power outages since I've been here But I bet they haven't put a hundred gallons of fuel in it. Yes, seven years. I've been here So we did we did run it at nice week exercise. We don't use it So yeah, I can I can make it run and put it on the building on it because Wayne showed me how to do it Yeah, so if so if I feel that it needs to run all I gotta do is go over there and switch it over put the building on a load so it'll burn more fuel because You gotta keep the fuel treated because it sets up for a first. That's why I was wondering if you were running on propane Maybe we should take and think from open in tanks for propane better propane generator. Well, we have been told and I just remember that that generator is We need to think about doing something with that generator. It's not eminent, but what is it? It was a used generator came from the sewer point And I'm not sure how old it is, but yeah, I was came from very popular row. So it's probably 15 years old but we did we had we had worked on it and They put they put in a new heater element thing to keep the fuel because that's why it wasn't starting Yeah, and they said it's an excellent shape. I mean it's a it's a Let's get charmers engine who's got 4500 hours on it. Oh I don't know. I have to look But I mean it's been serviced well some changed it the filters and I mean it runs good We have been keeping an eye on it and keeping it up and making sure it runs every week And does every Tuesday morning But puts us back on the end of next week, I'm sorry about that. I'm gonna find at the minute the meeting's over, of course Well, next week we have to be May 16th. Well, that didn't work out so well. Let's try another one Go with paving extension We I had talked to you a little bit about that last week and We had talked about Extending the paving contract with pike And they had given us the same prices last year We're down. Yeah, what 76 last year this year at 73 if we stayed with them 73 per ton And that's the best way to buy it and consider this fiasco that we went through last year. It's just by the time Goes far as it'll go. Yeah Now this contract says for potter's farm and industrial Avenue Yeah, well, he just measured it for me because I wanted it I wanted to see what it was gonna cost us to see if I could do both of those roads With yep with my budget. That's all that was for. Okay, so this isn't a contract that they need to approve No, you're just wanting to mind a sure hand that you just want to know You know, I don't know what the cost of the pavement was or anything So he called me about something else and I asked him if he would measure those to grow How far did your how far is your paving going to go? Oh, yeah Plus I have money left over in the paving It shows in the book that we went over on paving, but we got a hundred and one thousand Well, it's the it's the age old problem that we have with the budget We put it up front and get it back later. You know, it's we get the grant We have to show the expense that we spent it and then we we do have the revenue on the other side We can't take that money and offset the expense so that it looks that you have to just Yeah, so actually if you were to look at our budget, we wouldn't have any money to pay things We did get the Fisher Road Grant grant we got a hundred one thousand from that and We had spent 20 So that left and you had a hundred fifty In your budget and I had some left over and didn't spend it all last year Well So even if we have something previous you know, we didn't have any left from the previous yeah So So now that the grants came That goes back into the paving budget Grant money. It doesn't yeah, that's what I'm just trying to explain How it works So if I were to look at the budget, I think that is to a hundred and four thousand I am getting there slowly but surely Rose as well 204,000 we spent and so that means we're over our budget by fifty four thousand and We received a hundred one thousand And in revenue, so we have just under fifty thousand if you were to think of it that way This year Yes, and then In July we'll you'll have another hundred fifty thousand. Yeah, because the Bridgett lover's lane. It's got a big resurfaced That payments all yeah, and you want to roll this yeah I wanted to roll a roll over worse because I would like to do something to down to the junction where my capital steel Right there by capital steel Is there a cold? Yeah, yeah There's everybody can you know, right? That Smith boss But I mean you if you if you go along there I think just just only one color Yeah Right in there. I don't know if the road is giving way toward Cars or if it's just settling where I got the phone you mean could be yeah, it's just Well, I wanted to do some paving down there and I want to fix Down at the end where you go on to the dirt by Right, I want to Dig that cut that pavement back up by that last trailer Yeah, and then raise the road up so that take that dip out of there because It goes down and then it goes up so all that water sets right there all the time And you got massive potholes all the time So I wanted to cut the pavement tear it all out. It's pretty rough shape anyways Raise the road up so it's level with those lawns Pull a new culvert in there it goes across the road right there by ruggles this and then pave a little bit further Towards ruggles is driveway can't go too much further because We got some soft spots there spring So the question is is the board going to extend the contract for pike at seventy three dollars a ton I make the motion that we extend the contract with pike at seventy three dollars, which is Not seventy three dollars, but seventy three per ton versus seventy six of last year, which is a cost savings Any further discussion? All those in favor? So you can let your friend know And I talked to the Pipe it's not gonna want to do that branch. That's just you know, they're all yeah, that's too small And Another thing that I'd like to do if we have that surplus is Pave this parking lot. This is getting pretty nasty. And does the town do anything with the Riverton Bridge? Or is that just state? That's state just state. Yeah, I thought it was just That's what I thought it was worth mentioning. I didn't think town got involved with that people think we do They call a few people mentioned it to me and I told them that I was fairly certain It was strictly state The only bridge that we have that's paved is Lover's Lane Lover's Lane, but that's a wood deck with pavement on top of it Okay, now the highway truck You had talked about a highway truck and you're saying that you were Going to ask the board if they would if it's gonna buy a truck so you could order it now Is that yeah, is that like we did if we don't order within the next couple months? For next yeah next year What condition is and and where I'm coming from Tim is the budget Was great is really hit hard We bought we bought the excavator we bought the new trailer We do have two hundred thousand dollars in structures and equipment and I've got Richardson Road facing us That I have to that has to get done Which is a two hundred thousand dollar job What I mean is the truck Need to be replaced the two thousand yeah We've already dumped a ton of money in it this way now as hoist is all pitted and Oil is leaking out of it pretty good. We got to put new wing cylinder on it, but we're gonna have to fix that Before winter because the wind cylinder is shot But we just dumped a ton of money into it. What would it cost to replace this wing? A couple thousand if we if we put in Even ten thousand fifteen thousand to get through another year Well, we we are going to get through another year Right, we're not going to get the truck a new truck until 2000 the fall of 2020 Oh, you're not proposing that we do it. I thought you were asking for this year Well, I mean Order it right now order it so that you'd be if something if if we order it right now We're not going to see the truck until at least next February of 2020 We won't receive the truck until after July first Which will be Yes It's out there They require any pre-payment when you order So you will have the old the truck you have now you're gonna run another winner with it When you get this we're talking about what would that what would your oldest truck then be if you replace the oldest one now 15 kind of think here, so What you're saying is We if you order the truck Clarks We're gonna buy it from Clark's because they have the state contract and you know, they're gonna come close to me and touch He said that they are so backed up right now if we weren't to order it now We wouldn't get the truck I mean if we wait until after like July August, we're not gonna see that truck until July August of next year And then that means it's got to go and have a body and everything put on it So then we're gonna be into the wearer of the 2021 budget Here that star is that far behind? Oh, he said it's just they're just swamped Help me understand this Tim because I'm having a little trouble last year about this time We gave the heads up to Clark that we were gonna buy a truck and we've got it in the summer Yeah, but it was it was different then Okay, that's I'm gonna get there. Yeah, so we order the truck We don't we don't have to We say order the truck now. We don't have to give him any money He said it probably be February Maybe the first of March before they would even see it in under that's just the cabin chassis That's the cabin chassis. So then then then you got to go out to bed I fully body and the plow and quit would make sure we're not because and it's not voted on yet He said that if if a miracle was to happen and they had it done in June Excuse me. You don't need to buy it until after July 1st Yeah How much is it how much of those truck going for on the state contract He was Doing some colds and stuff for Jeff Newton and I Really, I don't know for sure and out there rock roughly probably I Think the last one we paid 110,000 for it. Yeah So similar in there. Yeah, and then the body was 77,000 Things don't go down in price over time. No, I just Changed in the subject the grayer broke down the other day. We're not buying one of those either. We lent it It would go five miles an hour We need to live moment. They call it Come back here to shop I call cat They said the mechanic down He plugged into it with his computer and it was a sensor that controls The computer's telling it. It's either low oil. There's no oil in the transmission There's no oil in the engine. There's no antifreeze does all that The part was 160 bucks the bills to almost 1200 Yeah So it's it's costly diagnostic time takes So, I mean I call them today and question it on him and he says well Mostly labor, I mean they had to come here to fix it We've taken it up there wouldn't cost us as much except for always 300 something dollars for travel time and Whatever, but I mean it would have cost us more than that to get it there Maybe gotta get it back here So they come to fix it. Well, I was shocked when I saw the bill Part was hundred and sixty dollars and bills almost A lot of you gave it to me, but a lot of those things bill apart is for fairly inexpensive getting to the dance party Oh, this was easy Around the top took him 15 minutes I mean, you know we send it to me by email to whichever you On the on the truck I Mean you're gonna have to go out to bed with the body because there's three different body companies and and that You know, that's not another woman have a state contract. Yeah so We can do that Well Well, I think what we'll do is we'll put the truck off till next meeting and then we'll take it I think that's probably an idea. I'm just gonna say it. Yeah, and you can look through it a little bit and now the last truck that we traded I Think we got But the one before that we got 65 for it, but The thing of it is is Clark's knows They work on so they know what condition that truck that Gary had when he was here that was jumped from day one We had no trouble with that truck and then we're gonna want to get cost us a lot of money So and this truck has been good until this year I mean we had to put in a fan home. That was for grand We had to put in a new bed chain New sprockets and now we're gonna do is something with a cylinder, but I'm gonna do the cylinder myself I'm not taking it to a box. I can buy a cylinder at Charlie boys Cheap and Yeah, and it's nothing for us to we can change it So we need to have this conversation again in the fall Yeah, I know you're saying you're gonna. Yeah, I want Yeah, if you will put that our next week's agenda, okay And then ask the full board to vote on that and then but we would I hope they'd be us We'd have to have a clause and they are depending on funding because we haven't voted that money yet Yeah, I know that yeah, okay. I know you I just have to say it And I can tell you right now if if something means you was to happen and we couldn't buy it They're not going to do it Because they're there's more people out there. They're just selling them as fast as they get them in Okay, then Thank you Tim coming in And probably gonna be changing the subject again, it's probably gonna be another If you what the weather does this week It's coming Tomorrow, so I guess some more whether it's some Sunday going to dry out quick They're strong in the fall Yeah, down the farm there you go around that corner there's the end of the big meadow. That's a Like being an ice Sleep all to me. Yeah But surprisingly But it is Once you get out from that cold corner the roads are pretty decent and stricken right now Okay, Tim. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, let's see what we can do Next on the agenda is a special event permit for Central Vermont Medical Center Yes, this is a and they have had this in the past It's central Vermont Medical Center for their walk-and-run five mile loop around the pond The police have been consulted. They're okay with it. It's to be held on Thank you. All right the middle June 15th and They have done this before they have not asked to have this the fee waived I have not received the check yet, but I'm sure I will from Robert and other than that My second motion any further discussion hearing none those in favor I Can I ask one more thing before I take off For me to put up no parking signs out on wrong home road Do we have to have an ordinance? There's signs there, but they're old No, you can do maintenance without Because the other day I was out there great in the back side of the pond I Came back and the people parked on top of my windmill There's so many people parking out there. There's no room I'm on right here right as you turn on the book You mean beyond the current parking lot Well, they built that new parking lot and that's supposed to be for boat access Yeah, and nobody parks in there unless they got a boat or canoe or something But that little area that they got to park there to walk They just there's no room they're parking all the way down the side of the road out there down There's parking down in this in the city of Montpain is pumping station or whatever that thing is In their door yard And I can't I couldn't believe it I came back around the corner there by the pumping station and there was cars parked on top of my windmill I said no Yeah And I'd like to know if we have to There there's signs there. It says no parking, but they're really faded here But I don't know Well, I mean because I'm I would like to go out there If the signs get the signs are up as an ordinance there. I would just take in Give us the new signs new signs up Toad at the owners expense. I think that area is covered in the ordinance and The guys I used fishing this spring did the same thing to me. I had to get the cops out here They weren't they weren't out there on the ice very far and I hauled to them and told them to move their race They didn't just totally ignored Didn't take them on when the cops showed up with these little blue lights flashed and they got on his loud speaker and said Fellas they were picking up their stuff and headed for their cars Junction field road at well, it's not quite the same place, but Technically, yes, we probably should do an amendment to the ordinance, but You just replace you under there. Yeah, I know On that road does the right away for the through way in the Pain turn quick. Does that those meet? Well, they got an overlap on DOS I just wonder if there's in some place we can put another parking area that's getting back on a use Oh, you wouldn't believe it You cannot believe the number of people that are out there and we're bad last year because they didn't they didn't want to climb over the Marricades and stuff on mirror Lake Road, but since mirror Lake's been back opened up ungodly I Mean just people walking. Yeah, but walking in bicycling and bring bicycles and but it's not using the water It's not using the pond itself. Just using that. I mean that the ones that are using the pond have been parking down in that new parking lot That do was built there Well, I wonder if we could take him talk to the state see about the fees building putting in a Area there between the Fence and the oh you ain't got room enough. You don't have enough room Fence straight take to our road. Oh Pain turn by itself. Yeah Because I can hit it when up if I'm winging with a greater idea. There's not a lot of room there Well, you who widened it out so people could well A lot of it too is is if they just use common sense and park a little closer together And pull in a little bit further But I mean they're parking in there like this and people are parking behind the people that are already parked in there Yeah, well, if you look at the way the road the road curves away from the through way toward the south There's gonna be there's good. It's gonna open up enough in there so that between the two right-of-ways you could put in a Even if it's only 20 by 40 or 50 Is it round that we have now is that in our right-of-way or is it on the city's land? It's in our right away. It is Yeah, there's a city would learn about that. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah, this way here. You could Wouldn't be down there, but I mean we can't we can't Can't make it longer because the pond comes back against that's what I was calling that. Yeah that's why I was wondering between the between the road and Throughway if you could take and get an area in there where you could have enough. I'd have to look at it I don't quite know what it looks like. I mean, I know it looks like it's I don't know what the road follows the pond And then the through a goes up. Yeah. Yeah, I know we might have but I'm wondering what kind of space you have Well, you should have I mean you if you could take and get a little triangle or a piece of an egg and put 56 cars or mm-hmm at least get them off them. There is like a little pull-off up there before that little Driveway that goes up into that. Yeah, whatever that lot is We own we own some land along the pond. The trouble is it's so It's such a drop down onto it that we couldn't do anything over there. Yeah, I mean we you might be able to you know where I am There I mean Although you know problem is the only problem with that whole side of the roads got catch basins They're not culverts their catch basins and they're down they sat down and see they did that when they built the through way Wherever this the state Reconstructed that Berlin on part of that road when they built the through way and they put catch basins in there all the way down through From where you're talking about all the way back. Thank you Okay So let's see here Yeah, we've been again as I mentioned to you the other the other week we're at this The town center is everyone is very excited for it. We've asked them all to help finance it I'm in the same situation If the money goes through our books We don't have the budget for it and it just makes us look like we've overspent the budget which technically we have Even though it comes in on the revenue side from the if it doesn't go through a book, that's one thing So we really need professional help There's been a lot of work done as far as mapping with it We're starting to have meetings and but what I would like to do is to have a meeting with all the boards in town and Just see where everyone stands in this town center Are we going to pursue the town center or are we not going to pursue the town center? It's a in my opinion, it's the long-range project I think would be good for the town. We've got that 99 New development the 99 elderly housing going over there with the town center We would have more commercial real estate that came in plus mixed use. We'd have more tax base We would have to take over that mall road You'll be retired probably so alive. I'm still living but You know we'd have to The plan would have to call out would have to draw out what that's going to look like as a town center There's going to be expenses as far as the mall owns all that property, so I mean we would have to Do something so in other words, I guess I've never developed a town center before so it's all new to me, but When the when the mall came in and said we want to apply for this and I think we're all pretty naive at the time We just thought it would be a lot easier and I didn't think their consultant at the time didn't realize What an involved project is we have to do a few studies It's beyond Tom and my expertise. I Think it's an excellent idea to pull the various boards together to have a collaboration discussion Yeah, I mean I just thought it might be a good idea and have so that everyone knows Really understands what the project is and what it entails How long it would take before we saw any Result of of our investment what type of investment it would be Need a feasibility study, you know Basically, basically it needs it, but we don't want to get in we're at the point now that we have to start spending money And we have no money to spend You know the town center has been the zoning has been done the master plan has been done And I guess this town center idea has been going on a lot longer than I've been here I don't I think it's a good spot for the town center if we have a town center and I can see at some point I can see it coming to fruition. The hospital would be involved. I mean, there's a lot of players Downstreet was in this week. We talked about they're considering building a building over there for housing I've asked them What they could help us with Could they help us with some professional help? could they Help us write crannies could they do things that we just don't have the expertise and they said they would be willing to Help us, however, but again, nothing's committed and nothing's online so That's where we are and I was hoping maybe in two weeks if we had like a meeting with all the boards Maybe even have it over at the range Or something like that, what do you think about that idea? Kimmer yeah, yes, Jeremy do say Okay, thanks Okay, well, I'm sorry to spend so many words saying nothing, but I Think I think we really need to have everybody rowing in the same direction. Was there any other The long service. Yes We do need to Okay Last at the last meeting we open the bids for the long service and we've done a little research with them Just to refresh your memory orange County was $2,000 for the season additional work 2250 an hour Kirkyard Services 2,600 for the season Additional work would be $30 an hour. We've used both those vendors before Jay Milne at Santa Sport Service in Barry Is $2,100 with additional work at $25 an hour? The question was with Orange County, they talked about an automatic renewal of the contract and I've talked with them and We could get out of that any time. It's not a it's not a binding thing They are just giving us a two-year price of $2,000 for the season Knowing that I would recommend that the board choose orange County property management And you've been pleased with their services in the past. No, no issues. No issues at all. They do here the park and Munsey Road the Over at the dog River Park over next to the firehouse in Riverton And they do the monument the memorial monument on the corner and their price was $2,000 for the season and we're talking May through 24 an hour after that and Additional work 20 to 50. I have had them do a few additional things such as weeding out front And I have them do bushwhack, I think You did that, okay, so that really isn't a normal Given their past services and the Recommendation from me I recommend that we award the law services contract orange County with an automatic renewal at $2,000 for the season and 2250 above that And it's not binding any further discussion Hearing none those in favor aye aye Was that all the additions that is yeah that oh I had a no I have That is if I can talk about it now I just wanted you to be aware that part of the update for the hazard mitigation as you remember We chose a consultant who is working with us to do this work and he is going to be Releasing a survey regarding hazard mitigation. This is kind of a standard part of the work that they do They ask some questions. Do you like to take a look at that? To get as much input as they can I Didn't want a survey going out if you didn't know about it. Did that come in? hard copy or They could put in the digital files into Jeremy. I can I can send it to Jeremy And I'll send it to you All of us Did I send you one? I don't think I've sent it, but I'll send it to all of you He did as well yeah, so you may have a bread, but I'll send it to be sure you have it He's very efficient, so sometimes He puts me in shame. Okay In the old that's that's all you get for it. Yeah See here Proof of suck word minutes for 418 and 425 I Make a motion that we accept the minutes of 418 and 425 and I just have a couple notations on the minutes for April 25th Just small item on page one just removing a period after chair town and on page 3 of 3 I was just questioning is that the right spelling for the ambulance report the very town is that I Haven't seen the ambulance report, so I wasn't sure if Barry town was the name of where the company Is our ambulance or if I'm sorry, okay, no worries. I see Barry town. Yeah So is that the name of the company that produces the it's the town of Barry. Oh, okay. Okay, okay So those are the only things other than that. I recommend that we approve both sets of minutes For the discussion All those in favor I And Administrators report me I Don't really have very much. I have talked to you about the Newtown center designation as you know Josh Walker is going to be coming to the board to talk about the contract on Black Road at some point and So that will be that will be coming up he he wants to have wider What right away Well Table full Jeremy all set Any excessive session. No, I'm not tonight Entertainment motion to adjourn. I make the motion that we adjourn All those in favor I We're adjourned