 On the 17th, it's Wednesday, it's 11 o'clock. That could be only one thing. It's Trump week. I'm Tim Apachele, your host. And I'd like to introduce our guests for this day and for this Trump week, Winston Welch, welcome. Stephanie Dalton, welcome. And Cynthia Sinclair, welcome, welcome, welcome. Hey, you guys, I've kind of thrown in something on the agenda here called jaw-dropping moments of the week. I kind of threw it on you guys last week and Donald Trump never disappoints. So this week we had more jaw-dropping moments as well. And I'd just like to just go out there right to you, Winston, with the first one. And that is for the second or third time now, Donald Trump has said regarding the coronavirus 19 rates of infection and the death toll. And he says the following. If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any. So as Donald Trump's Tulsa political rally is about ready to happen on Saturday, Donald Trump feels very confident and comfortable to say that just stop testing and all the cases will go away. That's a jaw-dropping moment for me. And I'm just kind of curious what you think. You know, everything that's popping out of this and all these days, there's been a shift in the last couple of weeks. I'm feeling something different. Like the masses have woken up. A lot of the people that have said, you know what, this is just too much. And that's like saying, if we go hide in the basement without any windows, the sun doesn't come up tomorrow. That's a good point. Yes, thank you. It's value. What it says, and you just strip it and you don't say, I support this man, I don't support this man, whatever. And you just look at it for what it is. Yeah. Are we becoming so desensitized to these outrageous statements from Donald Trump that we just kind of go, it's Donald Trump. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna say? I mean, any other time, any other president, any other human being would say, are you kidding me? His supporters will either say, it's true we're too aggressively testing or we should, it's overblown or it's made up or whatever, or they just ignore it. That's the way easier thing to do and just say, you know what? He's doing the greater good for our nation. So we gotta ignore this stuff and just don't even talk about it. What a place we've come to. Stephanie, welcome. Your thoughts about his statement and the Tulsa rally that's gonna take place on Saturday and certainly no mandate or requirement to wear a mask. And we're looking at thousands and thousands of people indoors and the rate of infection will take place. Your thoughts about his statement about, well, if you stop testing, we don't have cases. And then his, I just think it's bold arrogance to say I'm gonna put as many people in there as possible, have them sign a waiver that if they get sick and die, it's not my fault and carry on with that, which I wanna carry on with and that's my rally. I don't understand how many red flags are needed to help these people who orient to the red, white and blue flags so strongly, don't see the red flags and to their own personal hazard. So I mean, my heart goes out to them for the condition they're in of complete obeisance to him or dedication or devotion, whatever it is, my heart really goes out to them because many of them are gonna get very sick and who wants this thing? It's very difficult, much worse than the regular flu or the irregular flu. And many and some will die because the Ulster's got me, whoever his at-risk, highest at-risk group supporters are, I'm sure there's enough of that. Many can die and they won't even be present at that rally because there's the infection rate to family members and friends and strangers. Well, I'm thinking that there must be, we could get glass half full by looking for the statements that he makes that are substantive or whatever, database or could contain policy hints or could look for those because are they there or are we totally overwhelmed by just one jaw-dropper after thoughtless, thoughtless on thinking? Alrighty, let me ask Cynthia, actually I already know that you already figured this one out before we started the show because you said, wow, did you hear that statement from Donald Trump? So before the show started, your jaw had already dropped, Cynthia, your thoughts. Well, when he said it, I literally came up out of my chair and how can you be this stupid screaming at the television? But it's not so much stupid, it's stupid, it's a planned, you've got to get those dog whistles and all of that propaganda out there to your supporters and that's how he does it. And he makes them believe that that's the way to fix this virus and because they believe in him, they think that's real and that's the scariest part, is that the effect that that comment has, it doesn't just show how stupid he is, but it shows how dangerous he is because he's putting that out to his base and all those people will believe him. Well, General Mattis basically implied or not implied explicitly stated, this is no different than some of the things that took place in the Nazi regime as far as his dividing the country and the things that he says to do by the country. General Mattis is not what I call an alarmist. He is a very solid general that's well respected and he basically saying Donald Trump is taking pages out of the Nazi regime to do these things. Absolutely, you look at the dictator's playbook. Page one, divide the people. Number two, vilify the press. Number three, launch a massive propaganda machine and then you have to make people not trust their own selves. He's eroded people's trust in media, right? We already know that, but it goes a step further and we actually mistrust our own feelings and our own sense of reality because we've heard all this nonsense for so long that it's like, you go, well, was it? Is it, you know, you have to go through that questioning time and that's where it gets really dangerous. Right, I agree. Well, okay, jaw dropping moment. Number two, this actually was on the agenda and if I may, the title of our show is, this is a jaw dropper for me. I've done more for the black community than any other president. That's the title of the show. Now the quote is, I've done more for the black community than any other president. Let's take a pass on Abraham Lincoln because he did good, although it's always questionable. Winston, I go to you on this. Is this for real? I mean, in the environment of the murder of George Floyd and the sensitivities of the African community in this country and how raw and tender everyone's nerves are, Donald Trump comes out with this statement. Well, you know, in his mind and maybe for his fans, they believe that the African-American community does not believe it. I think they look around and they'd say, there's no evidence of that. It's like saying he's done more for women or more for the LGBTQ community or for Hispanics or immigrants. He can say it, but just because you say it doesn't make it true. But like Cynthia was saying, when you say what the president said, and we have been conditioned since we were children to have faith and trust in our leaders, that what they're telling us, hopefully is true or some semblance of the truth. And then you start thinking, well, maybe he has to, and you don't, of course you have to look at, you got to search for the real news in this event. Well, let's go to history. I mean, I'm not a history major, but I do remember General Grant howting to send in federal troops to put down the KKK at reconstruction period. Truman, President Truman had his hand in desegregating the military. Eisenhower had to bring in troops, the National Guard to ensure that segregation of schools took place after the Supreme Court decision of Brown versus the school board of, I can't remember who. And then you had President Johnson with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So all these presidents had a hand in, I think, far more in greater things than Donald Trump has done thus far. Like I said, just because he says it does not make it true. Now, there's a lot of people that will say, I know it is true and they'll point to whatever factors they want to point to, but it's one of those jaw-dropping moments. And like I said, what we'll remember is from this, I don't know, five years from now, we'll still be kind of, our heads will be spinning and trying to deconstruct what. I think you're right, there's good, there's many books being written down, there'll be a lot more later. Stephanie, that jaw-dropping comment from Donald Trump, what did you find hilarious about it and what did you find tragic about it? I just found it was really scary because I think that we're up against a power base here and they are in a position that is not scrutinizing anything he says. All of us are, but because we're paying attention and trying to figure it out, because we're not caught up in this power surge that they're feeling with this man representing them. So he is doing representation of people, they're just a different kind of a person, they're people with a different agenda, which they've not had that access to voiceage and the exercise of power and got all the rest of us running around like chickens, trying to get ready for the election because of their power and their ability to maybe keep this going for them. Is he trying to sabotage any and all hopes that he'll get votes from the African-American community in this country for his reelection? Because it seems to me that he's going out of his way to crush all possibilities of any kind of support from the African-American community. Good point, Tim, because I think this also reveals his mental issues, is that he thinks by just saying these things and conning people with these, pointing out these bit things that he thinks can make a point, he thinks that's gonna change people into buying him. He thinks that. He really does believe- So he really only has one audience in his mind and that's his loyal 38 to 44, 45% base. The African-American community doesn't count when he says these things. Well, he wants them to come over. So he's doing it the way he believes he can influence everyone that I know everything and saying these things. He's using- I need to get my PhD in both psychology and psychiatry to get my arms around that comment of yours. And I understand what you're saying. I agree. In his mind, he thinks this is the perfect thing to woo them to my side. He thinks those kinds of things that he does as a con man that he is, he's so talented that way that he will be able to bring some of those people over because he doesn't understand how many he needs, but he knows he can do it. He has absolute assurance in his skills to convince people to come to him. And I don't know that that's gonna work this time. It worked in 2016, how many- Yeah, it did. Thank you, Stephanie. Cynthia. Other than the reaction of last week that I had that he proclaimed that George Floyd was happy looking down on us and how proud he must be and how happy he is with the protests in the streets and all the things that are gonna change, even though he was murdered, this one is right up there with that statement. This one is jaw dropping as I suspect is the case here. What was your reaction? I kept echoing in my head every time I would see it on the news or hear it or talk to somebody about it. And all that echoed in my head was him saying, where's my African-American? Oh, yeah. I remember that. 2016 campaign, I think it was at an airport hangar or an airport tarmac. And he pointed out in the crowd, he goes, there's my African-American. Yeah, there's my African-American. Yeah, possessive form of the word. Yeah. It was just that to me, just echoed in the behind every single thing I've heard him say about the Black Lives Matter. I've never heard him say Black Lives Matter. I've never heard him say it once yet, right? He has not uttered those words. And I can just imagine, he must have been throwing fits in the White House when the mayor wrote Black Lives Matter on the street in front of the White House. I can't even imagine, he must have had apoplexy on the spot, which I think is... I think you're right. I think you're right about that. All right, well, so does he get a pass from African-Americans on that statement? I mean, other than a few like Reverend Sharpton and a few other notable commentators, he kind of seems like he's got a pass on that comment. I don't know if he did, because I've heard quite a bit of people talking about that as he said it, but the thing that bothers me is that they don't give you any context behind it. They just give you what he said and let you decide for yourself, I guess. So... Well, I think a part of his, if you were to try to support that statement as an argument and say, well, I passed the prison reform bill, but that wasn't something he initiated by no means. And that was definitely a carryover from the Obama administration. A lot of his stuff is carryover from the Obama administration that he takes credit for or he ruins and somehow gets rid of by executive order or whatever. I think to me, one of the jaw-dropping moments for this whole week was when I heard that he had rolled back fishing restrictions in waters that had been set aside as sanctuary waters and that's here in Hawaii. So that's something that we deal with up close and personal too. He just rolls back, while he's keeping us all, you know... It's about the same thing over here, he's behind the scenes, rolling back every environmental and almost every environmental restriction that we've worked for years and years, decades to get put in place. And he's just destroyed him. And... Very true, Cynthia, very true. I'm gonna switch over to Winston here on this one. We're gonna go to... You mentioned an executive order. Well, Donald Trump signed one as of yesterday and that is the executive order about police reform. You know, this executive order seemed to be more of an encouragement and incentive base, which I don't have problems with as far as incentives and getting jurisdictions to think about things to do that they normally wouldn't do through incentives, but in light of where we're at with the murder of George Floyd, we're not just necessarily looking as a community, as a country, for incentives for police organizations to change. We're looking at, I think, some mandates and yet the executive order seemed to be incentive base to include having an incentive base for having credentials for all your policemen in your police department to conform probably to a national standard. Having co-responders go out with police officers on certain calls, be it domestic violence or homelessness or maybe some indications of mental illness. A database that shows a basically disciplined officers and have a database of, you know, created to be shared so they can't be hired from the police department down the road or in a different state. Winston, what was your reaction to the executive order and was the items that Donald Trump put in that executive order substantial or was it just the first step in a good faith moment? There's an idea. I don't see it. It's like this gave me some cognitive dissonance in my brain. Sorry about that. I would say more that, you know, maybe somebody said, look, you just stopped talking 100%. And if you're gonna do anything, do this thing that we've already had on the shelf, it's been there forever. Let's just sign that it's a no brainer. It's not gonna be anything that your people will object to and we won't even talk about it or if we do it, it'll be a footnote that says, he's doing something for the community. But he's voting with his feet. He announced his Juneteenth rally in Tulsa, the side of this massacre of the black community. That speaks, it's what he does. And it's like what Stephanie was saying, we have to look at the actions and we also have to try and sort through the nonsense and see what's true. But let's just take it at face value. If this was a thing that he did that helps advance our nation with regards to racial issues and policing and not hiring the minority of bad cops that are out there that from one jurisdiction to another. Winston, does this give some motivation for the Senate and the House to come together and resolve their differences on the two different bills regarding police reform? Does his executive order put a little hop in their step? I don't think so. But when he is aligning with what the Democrats are saying, that's then the Republicans just fall in line. So they're gonna come up with something so that everybody can go back home and say, yeah, we're responding to this challenge but the real work is just beginning because it's just an awareness that we have militarized police forces around the nation to militarize them and we need to start thinking in different ways. And this is just the beginning of this conversation that we're having of how do we really invest in our communities in a meaningful way so that the police can be back. Like I said, maybe like to Mayberry days and they're not, if we head off things at the past with prenatal care and education and healthcare and housing and job training and all of these things to lead to a colorblind society, we're gonna eliminate the problem from the beginning. So anything that moves us in that direction is welcome. So let's assume it's a good faith effort by Donald Trump. Let's give him that credit. Let's give him that credit. Stephanie, I'm gonna switch gears here. The Supreme Court came with a jaw-dropping decision that I don't think a lot of us knew was gonna be on the horizon. And that is the employment rights for the LGBT community to have their employment rights completely the same as everybody else's as per the 1964 civil rights law. Did you catch Donald Trump's comment when that was announced, that Supreme Court decision? Tell me what that was. Well, I'd be happy to. It said, here's what he said. Some people were surprised, they've ruled and we live with their decision. That's what it's all about. And we live with the decision of the Supreme Court. I'm not getting one word from this statement that he was appreciative that the Supreme Court did this. Well, I think that for me, it is hallelujah and somebody's acting like the brain that they're supposed to be is I've not seen much evidence of many of them, particularly the most recent one, that they have this augmented cognitive capacity for the law and they're so brilliant. I haven't seen one iota of it until that. Not on the deny, but the person that led it and wrote the positive part of it. So I'm hopeful that the circumstances then about the Supreme Court are there, we're doing their work in the way we expect it to be done. And which is to be thoughtful and be the judges that they are and to dig in and fire those legal brain cells they're supposed to have and get with what is the protocol for this instead of the knee-jerk reaction of one of the justices which was just to send out how it's supposed to all be the same again. But anyway, so I must say that for the one that wrote the positive. I think that was Judge Gorsuch. Yeah, so this doesn't this give us some reason to have sat at some, what, contentment or harmony? I mean, it builds trust. All righty. The capacity of that institution, maybe it has, that one has not been completely hollowed out. Okay, great. Thank you, Stephanie. Cynthia, I'm sorry, go ahead, Winston. On the jump, and I was heartened by this because he just, he basically reaffirmed the role of the Supreme Court rather than he could have come on and said what his evangelical anti-gay base wanted to say, but he didn't because I don't think he doesn't care about gays, lesbians one way or another, honestly. I really don't think he does, but the fact that he just gave this, oh yeah, this is a ruling and we're gonna abide by it, that was nice just to hear that. The other thing that I thought was really interesting was that he said if he were to lose, he would go on to do other things in the fall. And I thought that was extremely consequential. I read it in the Washington Post. That was the first indication that I heard that he said, I mean, even admitting the possibility that he could lose and then that he would go on to do other things. So I don't know if he's setting himself up for a possible graceful exit. And so maybe these next, last six months, he's gonna say, you know what, let's just do all that we can to kind of bring things together because if we look around we're- I must have missed that last part about him talking about what if he's not re-elected. That would have been jaw-dropping topic number three for me for this week. So I'm glad you brought that up, Winston, thank you. Yeah, I just wrote it out there because I thought, wow, that is really interesting that he said that and it gave me, you know, yeah, at least he was saying, oh, it was in the Washington Post I put on June 12th. So he says he'll go on and do other things if he loses in November. So I don't know. Okay, thank you for bringing that to our attention. I'm jaw-dropper. Cynthia, the statement that Donald Trump made regarding the Supreme Court decision, do you think he was sincere about it or was he plain it as neutral as possible so that his base will still line up with him and the Christian, you know, the evangelicals will still say, all right, he didn't come out for it. He didn't come out against it. We could still stay with him. I think that's why he did it exactly was because he didn't want to alienate anybody. But I agree with Winston that I don't think he cares one way or the other unless it has to do with him being reelected. So I think maybe the reason he's starting to think if I lose, because he might just lose his, I think he's put in place a way to cheat. And if we go to mail-in ballots, if we have paper ballots, he's not gonna be able to do that and he won't be able to follow through with that. And so I hope everybody out there goes and Googles Ivanka Trump's patents in China. Most of them were for her clothing line and stuff like that, but some of them were for technology. And there's one that is for voting machines, specifically the software that does the tabulations. So that alone, to me, is just talking about the red flags you guys were talking about before. That to me is a huge red flag and I wish we had more media talking about it. I wish they would bring that to the forefront. I wish they would stop talking about everything else and talk only about election security because if they don't, we're not gonna have it. And then it doesn't- We know how well he distracts. So it's keeping your eye on the ball, so to speak. Exactly. So that's the thing that worries me the most. And I think that everything that comes out of his mouth right now comes from somebody who wrote it for him. Okay, fair enough. You know, we're almost out of time here and I wanna just get to what I think, what you guys think is coming up for next week. I believe that John Bolton's book is gonna be flushed out a lot more. We just, just before airtime, some of the details of his book was coming out and he's basically indicating that Donald Trump's, you know, incompetent number one, no surprise there, but certainly more corrupted than the impeachment hearings were all about. So more about that. And then coming up here in early July, I think, is Donald Trump's niece who's coming out with a book. And I believe the title of the book is something about too much and never enough how my family created the most dangerous man. Interesting title. So I think between that book and John Bolton's book, things are gonna really light up here and we'll see how it happens. Winston, you, what do you think? Who's kid is that that wrote it, do you? It's Donald Trump's niece. Who, is his sister's daughter? Yeah, his sister's daughter, yes. Judge? Yes, I believe so. I don't know the name. Oh, her name's Mary, excuse me, Mary. Mary Trump. Okay, well, good. Yeah. Winston, what's your predictions for next week? I think that he's been laying low a little bit, but after the rally, we're gonna see a lot of stuff and then in the buildup to the RNC convention in Jacksonville now. But I think right now, their heads are spinning because they've had a lot of stuff that's gone on recently and they're trying to regroup and figure out what's the message gonna be going forward? And I don't know. I mean, every week is a new adventure in our nation with what goes on. So I have, you just don't know. Stay tuned. Alrighty. Stephanie, real quick, we're almost out of time. Okay, quickly, but what, referring back to Winston's comments about what Trump might be backing down over these last few months, I wanted to remind everybody that all the subpoenas went out to the Obama administrative folks who are all under indictment for whatever it was they were supposed to have done during that administration. So no, he's hot on his agenda. Okay, we just get back stuff, okay? So watch for that. Thank you very much, Stephanie. Cynthia, loud real quick. Election security, election security, election security. You got it. All right, Winston, Stephanie, Cynthia, thank you very much for joining us. It's Trump week. Again, we'll see you next Wednesday, 11 o'clock, Trump week. I'm Tim Apachele, your host, Aloha.