 My name is Mandy Vaughn. I'm the president of Vox Space. Vox Space is a subsidiary company spun off from Virgin Orbit, and he wants you over there. Yeah. So no, I've got some a couple interesting things that I want to bring up for kind of to continue the themes from the discussion through the day. I think we've got a lot of interesting themes and I've really been enjoying the the conversation. It is a little tough. I Think in this forum. We're right after lunch and then also I'm up against a panel of artists So like okay at the media lab. I kind of know where the draw is going to be so I think the only I think the the one Opening statement here at least To compete with going up against artists is at least our spaceship is really beautiful It is a work of art unto itself, right? So the spaceship and the white knight vehicles if you're ever in Mojave it they really are gorgeous so we and which is kind of an interesting part of one of the first things I want to bring up with with Human spaceflight and what virgin galactic is really doing to open up human spaceflight? So the things I'll head on today are really kind of what we've been talking about all morning on on normalizing access to space and democratizing access to space and the virgin family of companies We're doing this first through through the passenger the tourism business really opening space for everybody not just the classic stereotypical astronaut but then also on where I spend more of my time on the small satellite side How can we open up space for small satellites? Enabling these new businesses like you heard from from Robbie from planet earlier And how do what is our element of building that infrastructure to enable that that new part of the ecosystem? And then kind of third what is the business prospect associated with that? What do we have to do both from this chain with the passenger stuff as well as the small sat Small satellite launch market. How can we start to change some of the paradigms with how we can change business and Truly then enable that ecosystem So I think we're really just on the verge of this and this really is the opening access and opening space is Really virgins mission across this family of companies, which is pretty exciting So on the people side like I mentioned, so it's not just your typical Classic astronaut you've wanted to spend your whole life and this is the pinnacle of your career The whole purpose of opening this the spaceship program for for really for tourism is to enable anybody to go Poets writers the artists across the street in the other hallway, right? So how can we inspire? Anybody to go and then when they get back from that trip. What does that mean? How have they changed? How will they then change the world so and we do this in a pretty different way the architecture of the system is not a classic Rocket experience. So here's a picture of the spaceship on its carrier aircraft The carrier aircraft is called the white knight to this is the most recent space flight just two weeks ago So we take off like an airplane. So your astronauts are sitting in seats and inside the spaceship sitting in flight suits Made by under armor now, I guess which is kind of cool And you have a couple hour flight to altitude. So this again is very much more airplane like Once they get up to altitude Which can be a pretty neat flight This is actually a picture that the pilots took from the white knight fuselage of the spaceship over the Sierra Nevada This was from a separate flight, but I just love the picture So you've got your flight up to altitude And then at about 50,000 feet spaceship is released from the white knight Board and more actuality the white knight bounces off the top of the spaceship So it drops for a few seconds ignites the engine and off it goes into space for a suborbital flight Usually about four or five minutes of zero gravity that you'll get to experience the passengers can get out of their seats and Float around the cabin and look out windows on the side as well as on the top of the vehicle And when you're in space, this is kind of the oh, this is from the last last flight where we actually carried a passenger So we had our Pilot and co-pilot and then we also had Beth Moses. She is the chief astronaut instructor for Virgin Galactic So she was Riding along in the back along with some NASA payloads which is pretty cool And so she got to experience getting in and out of the seat. How well does that go? Handholds how easy was the experience? So she's really Awesome test driving experience so she got to ride along on this one and This is an example of some of the views from space. This was on that last mission from the tail boom camera and So this is also then you can see what's unique about the spaceship. This is when it's in its feathered Configuration so at this point then it really reconfigures the whole aircraft really into a spacecraft at this point So then it really it re-enters more like a capsule than an airplane So it starts it's it's tripped back down and then finally reconfigures into an aircraft and Glides in to land just like an airplane So we're really changing what is going to be the experience of flying in space But again that human connection back to it. It's What do they then do when they're back from this awesome trip? so we have What 700 people or so that have signed up to take the to start flying when we enter commercial operations So very interesting in terms of what can we do from this and what's next? Can can this go into what are lessons learned for future orbital flights or point-to-point travel? So the spaceship and the Virgin Galactic experience are kind of trying to help open space for people open access and democratizing space For all for all of us. So then the other side of this kind of where do we fit in? So a lot of people have been following Virgin Galactic for you for years About two years ago. We did spin off Virgin orbit as its own company So Virgin orbit is there were sister companies Virgin orbit is based in Long Beach Outside of LA and they have about 600 people now Building what they call of a launcher one. So it's the same sort of heritage as spaceship so we have air launch drop a rocket and this is really geared towards small satellites and Vox space we started that at the same time. So we spun Vox space off to be able to focus on Government activities. So we really work mainly with the US national security space community So that's kind of a fun bridge To be able to work that business model, which as you heard from Robbie and some of the others earlier isn't necessarily straightforward So for us to have a dedicated team to work on that. We really see is kind of best of both worlds So from this element What is launcher one? So here we go same sort of architecture again. We're air launching So this is and we have our own dedicated 747 for this activity. So just like spaceship and white night So what we do here is the 747 takes off just like an airplane and goes up to about 35,000 feet and over over open ocean and drops the rocket the rocket falls for about five seconds before it ignites and then poof off it goes We're delivering payloads into low earth orbit right now. The rocket is expendable But obviously the 747 is not we do bring that back So it's a pretty flexible system. So this chart I Just actually found this from some local news I want to actually just kind of let this soak in for a second, right? So this was back in October when we first mated the launcher one onto the 747 just for its initial fit checks before we flew it This is just done at a commercial airport. This is just on the north edge of the flight line at Long Beach Where we're mounting a rocket onto an airplane So let's think about some of the things we've heard today in terms of really opening up access to space And what is that infrastructure layer? Not just for the people but for for the small satellites so we can enable people to meet their milestones Meet their schedules have more control over what they're telling Investors they'll be able to get their satellite on orbit by x-date So this is really going to change the concept of what is a launch operation? What is required for a launch operation and where can you conduct a launch operation? So this is I just thought that was pretty cool. I also kind of really liken this To we talked about this earlier today too, but the internet right so When everybody started unrolling all of the apps for the internet nobody really knew what that end state would look like So once we're really able to launch on a schedule and you can reconfigure your manifest or your timelines Just like you can change your flight From from Boston to LA on a whim. What will that do? How will that help enable this ecosystem to realize business models in a different way? We don't really know and then also on the national security side There's all of course tons of talk of resiliency. How can you make things more resilient? Disaggregation is a big part of that making things Whoa making things more proliferated is another element of that and where that's an interesting Change to the calculus as well is because then if things are proliferated they are Disaggregated you can really kind of have it be a deterrent effect, right? So it's a way to almost be a calming presence by having more stuff that you're dealing with in Leo So this is a recent picture towards the end of 2018 we did finally get into flight test, which is super exciting So this is getting very real So we've flown with the rocket on the 747 now three times the first time was pretty low and slow Make sure everything's good and then the second two flights were both five and a half six hours long Really went through a lot more flutter testing stall testing starting to really exercise the design So this is super exciting even went through some of the maneuvers that the aircraft will have to go through which is pretty energetic for a 747 so it's pretty exciting Just some other recent pictures and recent events another I kind of like both of these on the bottom They're kind of interesting also to show that that mobility Operation and how responsive and mobile can a launch operation be so this this is the payload trailer So rather than having the classic Dedicated buildings along the Cape and at Vandenberg we have a trailer that we can move around to any airfield So this can really change how you can design your missions operate your missions Be robust against changes So again, what what is the ecosystem that we can really enable here? And how do we normalize that space access and blend these missions another thing that came up through the day is really kind of What is what is government? What is commercial especially in terms of we saw that in some of Blue Origin's remarks on the exploration side and The same is true with commerce the same is true with with communications the same can be true with with Classic EO data collection weather, etc So how can we really start blending these business models and make it more efficient for everybody? And I totally agree with what Robbie said in his talks earlier in terms of you don't want to just be Have one customer that is the government you need to have a blend But at the same time of course you're gonna need to service that market as well So what are those business models to make it easier for companies like us to work with them? Enable us to still stay nimble and provide things as a surface more affordably to everybody So it's really kind of changing. What is that business model as well? So and I think like one and I think I only had one more chart. Yeah, there we go so this was again the first time we ever had had the rocket mounted onto the airplane and Richard Branson really talks one quote from him recently says your lives will be transformed by space and we are we are all in this together You know, we really think that that's true And so from both the human perspective and the small set perspective. This is really kind of the roadmap for the near term So some of our near-term activities that you'll see so we've seen we've been in captive carry already You'll see some more flights well, and we'll be having our first flight here later this year and What we really hope to demonstrate with this is is the mobility of that launch operation We'll fly out of Mojave same place that spaceship flies for the near term for first few missions And then we're also exploring other locations both Internationally domestically and what can what can even sovereign launch look look like we've had other customers both commercially and on the government side Say hey How can can you come here and launch our satellite on our soil versus us having to ship satellites all over the place? What if we just ship the launch site, right? So there's all sorts of new business models and new launch concepts that we'd like to explore with this Surprises no questions yet Let's see What were some of the other themes and one thing that we're also working for from the commerce perspective and from the business models We're very fortunate that So I support the space council on the users advisory group as well And a big part of that both from the education and outreach perspective so working exactly Forms like this in terms of how could we and there's an extensive outreach activity that virgin virgin orbit virgin galactic And and all of the virgin companies themselves have through what they call virgin unite and galactic unite Where we're really emphasizing stem and and diversity in the workplace as well And then the other hat that I wear there with the space council is on the national security side to where it's like Okay, what is that business model? How can you on ramp these capabilities? and enable The national security space community to leverage the prospects that are coming from this new space in this new space Ecosystem not just small satellites, but the whole new space entrepreneurial community writ large. Yes, sir Right. No, and we certainly have the same limitations to in terms of what we can what we can fly, right? So we're we're beholden to itar certainly and one thing that we're working on both on launcher one and on the spaceship side is What is truly itar about the system itself and a big part of that? It's like, you know what the Rockets pretty easy to make sure that that's Kind of contained within us control the whole time where we get into some creative We're having we have a very good dialogue going with with state and with commerce on this is How do you classify the aircraft? Because as of right now both the white knight and the 747 are considered MCTR Even when they're not flying hardware. So that really is limiting So again, there's ways you can get around that just through operations to say, okay We're gonna just make sure that we're maintaining a us-controlled boundary around the system But we are working to say, okay. Can we really reevaluate? What is MCTR about the carrier aircraft themselves? So and again, you know, it's it's a lot of bureaucratic paperwork We know it'll take a while, but we are at least encouraged that we're having the discussion, which is good Yes, sir Sure The launcher one itself or the the launcher of the spaceship. Oh sure. Oh you got it, okay Way to the launcher and then the payload the max payload. Oh, yeah so the launcher one itself weighs 57,000 pounds when it's fueled and So to design reference missions for performance We can get 300 kilograms to a 500 kilometer sun sink or closer to about 500 kilograms To an equatorial orbit. So it still is definitely small sat focused at this point But more we can care more than just just CubeSats, right? So it is a decent and the payload faring is is fairly large for a small launch vehicle. Yeah, sure. Yes, sir So given it if that there's a common connector for payloads to the vehicle within the faring I'm some government agency I need to launch up 250 kilogram, you know some payload What is the plan as far as how rapidly can you? Get that payload to launch from the time they call and say we need this ASAP What do you envision three four years out? You'll be able to do that. I'm glad you put the qualifier on there Yeah, so no three three or four years out if the payload is is ready to go We really envision this being able to turn like an airplane turns So we would like to be able so even now Our baseline for operations is things don't Get we don't enter hazardous ops until about three or four hours before we actually take off So if you have the payload ready to go In theory we could turn this around in less than eight hours, which is pretty exciting Well, if I could follow on then with a Question that You know mission design Licensing those don't happen in 72 hours. So your constraints may be coming from those sorts of things, right? Absolutely, and that's one where Like I'm you some of you may be familiar with the DARPA launch challenge that they're that they're supporting So that's one of the key things that I'd like to see come out of that program is the government to government work That's happening behind the scenes to address that concern How can you get the FAA to to move faster than on a hundred and eighty day cycle time? You know, we've kind of likened it to it's like, okay, you can have preplanned flight corridors or pre-planned flight paths for what you think some of those payloads may be that you would Need to launch on a short time and then just call it at the last minute So that to me, I mean, it's that's way less of a technical problem than a regulatory problem You're exactly right. So that's where I do see something like the DARPA launch challenge. That could be one of the key Leave behinds from that challenge Yes, I have a question here. Hi. Yes. I have a question. I'm working together with JPL, NASA, the Department of Planetary Defense and We having a large effort to actually keep payload and cargo in general like bacteria and microorganism free And we are an expert right now for low-input sequencing. So we actually swapping the Mars rover I did it myself. It was amazing But the thing is like how this will be incorporated in all these new new companies, right? Because there is a safety issues for example looking for right now We already know that we contributed Mars and moon with sports because we know that sports can survive space What is your strategy here? Just in terms of contamination control in general exactly. Oh, you know that's For the first few missions, not that great But I'm just kidding. But no, we're actually we're working with NASA and we're working with some commercial companies that have this concern They want to fly Live experiments, so it's two-fold. It kind of goes back to your point, too In terms of how can we handle late payload integration, especially if it is something that is biological? and then one one thing we can do the payload trailer itself is clean clean-ish and If we need to encapsulate something that's it needs to be even more tightly contained than that encapsulate in a higher rated clean room and then put that the payload fairing into the trailer for mating with the rocket So we can stage the integration activity to make sure that that things that really require contamination control can be controlled and The whole payload fairing and the rest of the system from that point on we've got nitrogen purge and air conditioning and all that kind Of stuff so that way that the payload fairing is maintained in a in a good environment. Oh Yeah Do experience we saw that one of the main containers like like like late add-ups to this payload For example an iPad was actually the source of main contamination then which you find so the point is like that It's really like like you really have a good strategy and you have to start early because you have to incorporate it But at some time right now we're thinking it will be soon regulations coming up So if you not address them now, you're going to be like too late later. Okay, get trade. He's our mission manager So it's like get a card. Yeah Just second question so I'm looking at that plane and I actually saw a luft on to 747 the other day Okay, you know, they're getting right they're phasing out. Yeah, so Especially the passenger versions are phasing out. Oh, yeah, so maintaining an aircraft that has basically been discontinued. It's gotta be pricey so is So is the future? Possibly on another type of aircraft for the near term No, because while the passenger versions are being phased out the cargo versions are not yet So they're still they're still making the cargo version of the 747 so Awareness to work on them parts support. We think we'll be around for quite a while And you know truthfully could could we move to another aircraft in the future? Sure But we do see that there is because they are still being manufactured there's going to be support for quite a while and It is one where it's such a well-known airframe and such a well-known aircraft being able to to find help and operate it globally is really easy to do You know, it's gonna say Boeing still making brand-new 747s. It's very popular For for cargo. Yeah, so I wonder if the cargo version does it have a tail hatch It doesn't but there's the nose hatch some of them do so you could put your launch integration trailer inside the plane Basically, the whole thing is literally a flying spaceport So the air your rocket is that solid? No, this is liquid. Really? Yep Makes it super easy. But that's for my perspective. Is that air air? Is that considered air transportable as freight? I mean, could you carry spares and fuel? Well, okay, so that begs the question. So where do you get the fuel from? Right, right. No, it's locks. It's just so we're yeah locks and RP. Oh, that's not that big a deal. Okay Yeah, good system. The Russians man mastered it 60 years ago Right Right, right So my question is on a slightly different note. I actually really different. No, I'm curious around the business side So if in a attempt to diversify your client base, you know aside from government Organizations research organizations. What do you see as the biggest target market sectors that your company will try to target? so that you have Increased not only market, but also more opportunities to kind of maintain the pipeline absolutely I know and that's where from my perspective at Vox space As a subsidiary company worse really solely focused on on the government side But the mothership of Virgin orbit there We're only looking to probably be maybe like 25 percent ish of their market share, right? So it really is the business base is commercial so between All the other companies that have been reprieve was that you know, yeah, exactly. So I mean you've got companies like one web They're a great example Constellations like one web are an interesting example because they need to put up so many satellites quickly So sure they're gonna use big rockets for that. That's way more cost-effective But for now in this early onesie 2z phase It makes sense to use a smaller ride when you really need schedule as well as replenishment or maintenance so that's where we really see that Gosh between Communications companies like planet doing basically wanting to instrument the whole world and observe it There's gonna constantly need to be a cost a replenishment factor a maintenance factor where this sort of capabilities really attractive Yeah, it's exciting Yes, sir. So along similar lines I was just curious in the next like five to ten years Do you guys have a product development timeline and where do you see the cost per kilogram? Going as you're developing new rockets and things like that. Are you allowed to say that I? Can't for what for this so you know for what and basically like the whole market is kind of in It is where it is right so between if you're if you're a small satellite like planet riding on One of the larger launch vehicles the prices are anywhere from from 10,000 to 30,000 a kilogram And for the dedicated rides not just us But a lot of the other emerging players are between the 30 and $40,000 a kilogram so it is it is a little more expensive than Then then a ride share, but then the trade is that certainty right the flexibility and the certainty and then the other thing too is is Getting to a more regular flight cadence and then that's where in the future kind of an analogy I like to use really is the airline right like okay You can fly first class from Boston to London tonight. It'll cost you Or you can you know wait a little bit and go and have a cheaper airfare or do you want to go first class or you want to fly coach? So how can what's the analogy? What's the analogy on this when we're really I'd like to really be able to drag and drop seat assignments With with satellites just as easily as an airline can with passengers So I think that would be fun. That doesn't exist yet But that's certainly a more dynamic pricing market that I think I think will emerge once this as well as some of the others start to increase their flight cadence Yes, so economics aside and just focus on the physics. I'm not a rocket person I'm can you educate me on what the limits of of the airplane? Rocket model are like how many of these could you fit on a single plane? How many? What point does does it stop making sense and what point does it start making sense? Well, and just okay, so I'll just start with just kind of air launch in general right why do this versus just a traditional ground launch and It really is the issue of expendability is part of that exactly right And so it really is kind of six of one half dozen of the other in terms of air launch versus ground launch DARPA Did a study a few years ago that came out. I think Really overly optimistic on the energy that you you benefit from on the air launch side But so okay while you're getting above a lot of the atmosphere So in theory your engines have to have can be more efficient You have other structural concerns like a pull-up maneuver. So it's really kind of it kind of washes that out So from a pure physics ground versus air the real benefit is is the flexibility So it's the flexibility as well as it is like less of an impact on your The environmental impact of the launch site itself, right? Because like like we mentioned it's lock It's basically jet fuel and liquid oxygen and then we fly away So we don't have weird mixes of fuels and construction happening at a launch pad That a traditional ground launch has can the the airplane the 747 though To the second to build onto that It can carry a lot So we actually this is nothing for a 747 so there's there's room to grow There's there's room to grow the rocket a little bit in each dimension and still fit at this point on the wing The 747 physically could lift to we did not modify this plane to do that But you could do you could lift to if you wanted which would be really freaky looking. I think it'd be pretty cool But yeah, you could do that. Yeah Yes, hi, so right now you and everyone else is selling or making the rockets and selling the service of launching them It's in a matter of time where the there's an rocket airline and then manufacturers are separate Or is there some appeal to having both? for the good question and We'll see where it goes because just like a lot of the the big classic defense contractors They were very vertically integrated and then they wanted to just step back and be into the integrator role Maybe we'll see that in the future, but for the near term while we're trying to establish the baseline and then get to rate It's kind of it's really almost the SpaceX model of controlling your fate While you're in that early startup phase so and I know you know we've ended up making a lot of make-buy decisions and our similar similar new entrants have to Where when you're trying to do something for the first time you need to have more control over your own Supply chain, so will that stay that way forever? We'll see Right, so I could see that going either way Are you working on possible payloads that would be for enabled for reentry like pharmaceutical process or zero gravity stuff? Yes, one way I think yeah pharmaceutical is a great example And no, there's been some other more fun ideas, too But pharmaceutical I think is kind of a good design reference mission that we're definitely thinking about and you know There's material science to be gained, too, right? So bringing something back has a lot of value other questions Yes, ma'am. He's like, oh, no To bring it back to economics, I'm sorry so from the the space tourism side thinking about demand You know right now obviously there's a long wait list for first off like this But when that kind of evens out and the the rich space enthusiasts have have gone up Where do you think that demand will lie and do you think there are still like not enough players in this space or too? Many do you mean in terms of other companies to fly? Oh sure Well, you know, I think that airlines again are kind of a fun example there, right? So at first it may seem oh how many players how many people can Afford this ride and how many players do we really need a resaturating the market? Maybe but then also the flight rate is not going to be super rapid either when these when this is new and You know then another example that I think is a kind of a fun one to Kind of compare this to is you know, okay climbing Mount Everest Really used to be Only that very tiny numbers of mountaineers and now I mean it's climbing Everest is still very expensive and very hard But it's like, you know what it that's a much more achievable excursion for people to go on and you know, there's just Ski the last degree is a vacation. I would love to do on Antarctica, right? But it's like so there's a different level of of Adventure tourism that I think exists out there That Who would have thought that this many people would climb Everest in a year, right? So I think that's kind of an interesting analogy. It's like, you know what? I think if when there's enough flight rate and who knows where the prices will really go I think it'll be definitely more accessible more achievable Yes, sir. What is the span time to construct the launcher now and what could it be? If you hit your flight rate you want. Oh sure The span time the lead time to build a launcher one now is just like any other rocket You're really driven by how fast can you make a thrust chamber and some of the metallic components that make a rocket engine? And I'll channel our vice president of propulsion development from Virgin orbit. He's like, I don't care who you are It's nine months to make a thrust chamber your aero jet SpaceX Whoever just because it's a lot of metal and you've got to go through the plating and all the machining So it's that's it's slow right now from that perspective and but then that's where we're really excited with a lot of the new additive manufacturing methods not so much Even the DMLS printing, but there's a lot of the direct energy deposition systems that are show really promising Where you get a lot more of the constitutive properties of the metal so you can make larger structures There's a company in LA relativity space. They're trying to basically 3d print the whole rocket, which is pretty cool So open-air metallic 3d printing of all of the tough bits So I think advances in those technologies will will totally change the production flow For all of us for the whole industry Okay, I got the mic and so leverage off of the question from the young lady there But thinking more towards these the newly emerging very small launch vehicles, you know You guys are in the lead or right behind the leader and there's a couple others that are there with you But there's like a hundred others that are in the wings So at some point there's going to be a shakeout or as some people say the bubbles gonna burst and in the end based On where what you're seeing as far as market interest How many companies do you think are going to survive in the end it'd be economically viable, right? No, I think well was it last count. There's like a hundred and ten Small small launch companies emerging around the world. So certainly not all of them, right? If we were the only company in this size, I'd be worried Right, but the fact that people do think that this is interesting and the price points are kind of all converging I think we're we're finding the the right point of the market I think there's definitely room for more than one. I think there's probably probably room for more than three But I don't think 50 right so it's and then also then where where do the international players come in versus domestic So, you know, we've got we're watching competitors emerge from from all over the world Not just Europe, but China as well and Japan and so it's there's I think definitely that'll kind of Create a larger playing field from the international interests as well. Yes, sir Actually have two questions, but I know with one the first one is around the capacity of the 747 Obviously, it can carry a hell of a lot more with payload Can you discuss some of the things that you thought about doing with the extra capacity and then the second one It's around the competition a follow-up on this how What are you doing if anything to try to protect your IP so that it doesn't other companies don't try to do the same? Right Well, let's see with the 747 how much can it carry? What could we do? So like I mentioned we can go a little bigger and still fit under the wing like this So there definitely is is room to grow in every dimension a little bit so we can increase performance that way Then if you want to go significantly larger than that you you really need to move to the top of the aircraft I'll shuttle and so you can definitely carry a lot of weight on top So that's kind of a cool far way farther out kind of idea But that's if you need to really get heavy. That's you'd have to move to the top And then what was your your second question? Oh the IP. Well, I mean just like any commercial development, right? So it's like just We own the IP for what is the interface to the 747 So it's between the the pile on the interface. What was the modification done to the aircraft? So that that was our design Yep other questions cool Good questions. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. So now this is a yeah I think what was the other Richard Branson quote that we have have on our wall like screw it. Let's do it. Yeah Yeah, so just one kind of fun tidbit on kind of how we ended up here Launcher one was first designed to fly on the white knight So we've got the spaceship that goes on to the white knight carrier aircraft So it's like well, it's not gonna fly the spaceship all the time We're let's launch satellites too. So they had initially baseline the vehicle to fly on that and then through the course of the propulsion development program ended up with More a more powerful engine than rocket on white knight needs So it was really kind of a weird back end into what is the design like, okay? Well, how much engine do we have how big of a rocket can that push uphill what airplane fits around it? So it was a really interesting Trade to end up with this baseline But I think in the end and we end up with a much more flexible Platform and then both companies have their own dedicated asset as well, which is exciting. Yes, ma'am. Oh, yeah, I do Yeah, sure Yeah, if you even just on the YouTube channel, you know So both the yeah the virgin orbit YouTube channel has great videos of how it is and will work. Yep Awesome Cool. Thank you everybody. Thanks