 Good morning everybody. Happy Friday morning. I know that most of the time Catherine I do our coffee chats on Thursdays But we're filming a look this on Thursday, but this is quite a heavy episode and it's not like our typical coffee chats We are going to play armchair detectives with you guys watching right now. We're gonna be talking about a mysterious homicide That you can tell I'm flushed Catherine and I have been talking about it off-camera for a while now because this case is so Infuriating and I was just telling you Catherine I don't know why this case has hit me so hard and I felt like I needed to talk about it Maybe it's the victim. Maybe it's just the bizarre behavior. I don't know you've been researching it as well I mean, we this is something that I feel like we need to really talk about Um The one case Yeah, when you mentioned it to me, I knew nothing about it Bryson. I was so pleased you did but it's interesting It's completely hooked me as well one because of the man that he was it was was just absolutely Incredible and I know a lot of people talk nice things about the dead But there's so much evidence to show what a very very special person he was But I think as we go through this episode the viewers are going to see and and we'd love to hear their comments about how so much Of what we're discussing in this case this unsolved case is very Relevant to a lot of the stuff that we've been discussing About what's going on at a global level more generally and what lessons can be learned from it? Absolutely, absolutely. I want before we get into the case at hand guys I do want to remind you guys that here in the United States in our court of law all Defendants all suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty That is the prosecutor's job in the court is to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt We're going to talk a little bit about double double jeopardy in the United States as well Which is why I believe there have not been any charge files homicide Charges filed against the three defendants. That's my personal belief. We'll talk about that. Well, maybe I'll just go ahead and cover that So double double jeopardy basically means for people who are not Americans. I know this in some countries This is the same law in some countries. It's not so what double jeopardy basically means is that if a defendant is found innocent of a crime They cannot be arrested again for the same crime So we see this big time with with murders. So if somebody is charged indicted by the state For being Indicted for murder and they go even in trial They're considered innocent until the the defense are the prosecutors find them guilty The jury goes to liberate and they you not unanimously have to find the defendant either guilty or not guilty If they are found not guilty They cannot then then be re-arrested and tried again for the same homicide if that makes sense And so for prosecutors, especially with big cases like this I do have a lot of empathy for them Because they have to make sure that when they go to court They can slam dunk it because if they can't they've lost it They cannot go back and retry that person's that's called called double jeopardy So that is why I believe and a lot of the documentaries the lead prosecutor Talks about how all the evidence they have is considered circumstantial evidence now for us as layman Watching this case. There's a great documentary on peacock if you live in the United States I'll put the trailer down in the description box below where they really talk about get into this case For circumstantial evidence. It is really hard for a prosecutor to win a case And that is all they really have and the guy the prosecutor described it like this like what is circumstantial evidence? Say you go to bed one night and you wake up the next morning and there's snow on the ground Well, you believe that it snowed, but did you see it snow? No so even that's considered circumstantial evidence and so they talk they go back and forth with a defense attorney and the Prosecutor and as they say the prosecutor's job is to create the timeline the story The defense's job is to come around and then destroy it So when you have circumstantial evidence, it can easily be destroyed And so that is why we look at this case and we're like what the fuck? Why aren't these guys in jail? But that is why it's all circumstantial. In fact before we get into it I'll quote the chief of homicide the federal prosecutor. He said this is the closest thing to a perfect cover-up I've ever seen and this is the lead this happened in Washington DC you guys this is not in some Small-town, Iowa. No offense to small towns in Iowa. These are attorneys and Investigators who deal with homicides all the time And even they are like this is close this close to perfect is you're gonna you're gonna get and so let's get into Chills big time Unfortunately because I just I'm just highlighting that guys because I want people when they're listening to a lot of this and they Think why is this relevant? Is I'd really like people to be thinking about what some of the other things that we've discovered in terms of the lies We've been told on all the other issues lots of us have been discussing for years now About how this that you know, it's always a way isn't it? Everything's a practical fractal of the bigger picture And I think you're gonna see lots of points that come out here that are actually also relevant to The other lies the other cover-ups. What can you prove? What can't you prove sight of things? On on perhaps more global scale issues. Yeah, I mean, I really liked the prosecutor in the documentary I felt like he really there's some there's some interesting characters I mean, there's one big person in this case that wasn't really big when the case happened But got big which we will Catherine and I will discuss more about on it's a very interesting and again I want to remind you guys. Yes, this happened in Washington, DC So keep that in mind that this happened in Washington, DC in 2006 so this is the mysterious homicide of Robert one so who was Robert one and I apologize guys I'm gonna be going back and forth. I have notes everywhere. I know Catherine does too. I've got notes on my computer No, there's so much to this case So let's go and look at who was the victim because this is what this is about Really and I was telling Catherine. I think when I just saw his picture my heart just bled because energetically He just seemed like such a sweet guy and his wife seems like such a sweet lady and my heart he just seemed like just a really kind person and I Just I feel terrible for his family I feel terrible for in the documentary the peacock documentary after we were done watching it I told my boyfriend. I actually used I used your name to Catherine. I was like listen if I get murdered you Catherine Edwards and all my other friends better be crying like that on a documentary because I mean almost 20 years later And you've got grown men who were friends with Robert still getting emotional over this but that just shows you how much of an impact and how true friendship and true love there was between these group of people for these grown men to still Almost 20 years later Be just devastated over the loss of their friend First and foremost over the loss of the life and over the fact that justice has not been served So Robert Juan he was born on June 1 of 1974 He grew up in Brooklyn, New York He was fourth generation Chinese American and I only I mean literally by the time you're fourth generation You're an American like 100% but the Chinese American is going to be important because that comes down to what he was doing at the time of his murder Robert was incredibly smart He graduated valedictorian of his high school and then was and then had got his bachelors at William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia now William and Mary. I had a few friends that went to William and Mary William and Mary is It's a very prestigious school It's it's kind of like a Cambridge or an Oxford like it's a very you know They don't let just anyone in if you've got William and Mary on your resume for your bachelors then You're good like that's a good school to go to so I just wanted to point that out now. Here's something interesting I just wrote this as a little note while at William and Mary Robert was part of a secret club called the 13 Club It was a club where you did nice things for people secretly. I Thought that was so sweet now Joe Price who was like one of the main suspects that met Robert at William and Mary when they were Both and on their undergrad was also a part of this club now. We're gonna at the end when I start going through my Speculations, I'm gonna talk about this club again. I Got some points about that as well I don't think Robert because sometimes some of these clubs on The outside they look to be really good, but there might be a seedy underbelly. I Don't know. Yeah, do you want to? Well, I was just exactly my point don't think I heard you and a seven I love him or hate him. That's up to you but Everyone who has a certain level of security clearance Thinks they're at the highest level of security clearance The whole point is they don't even know about the other layers that exist and we Throughout the whole last few years have been talking a lot about various secret club secret societies and the lower level people often Really generally are in there to do good. We always we're talking about and yet often They have absolutely no idea of the secrets that are held at higher levels So it could or could not be very significant for me. There's no such things as coincidences Exactly. Glad you said that because I just want to make I do not believe in my gut That Robert Juan was doing anything to hurt looking at his pictures looking at his eyes I genuinely believe he was the type of guy That would have loved to been a part of a secret club where you go around and anonymously do nice things for people Like I think Anonymously like they don't even know that you're the one doing it just to help people out like I genuinely think that's what and that could very well be all this club was but my Gut in intuition is telling me there might have been something else. So I don't know though. This is just our speculation guys Alright, so after Robert graduated from William & Mary He went on to law school at the University of Pennsylvania law school graduating in 1999 now Joe Price Also was in law school. He was also a lawyer too. We'll get into that Robert went on to serve as a law clerk for a judge in the federal district court of Eastern district of Virginia Robert would then go on into commercial real estate law for six years for a Washington DC firm called Covington and Burling now Interesting I want everybody to note because I told you there was a big name in this While at Covington and Burling Robert Juan worked for the future US Attorney General worked with him Eric Holder Eric Holder is going to come back into this story I mean when it was funny when we were watching the documentary when they first showed a holders picture He looks familiar and my boyfriend was like, yeah, he was our Attorney General I was like, oh well to be fair those were my shit years when I was But you know, I was like, oh Todd, you know, this is this is the Attorney General This is like, you know, so what I love about this and again sorry to interrupt But just connecting the dots so I haven't watched the peacock documentary because I'm in the UK and we can't access it here Well, I don't know how to But I've been watching and doing other research and what I'm loving about this You're going to see how through the different research that we've been doing we've picked out a lot of the key things Why do certain things stand out for you for me? I knew nothing about this case until I started researching it But this we've been talking so much about trust your gut trust your intuition at what stages do the hairs on the back of your neck I have my not very long. I'm not aware when do they stand on edge, you know And this is what this discernment and a lot of people ask you and I about research price You know, they just just look at these things and it's a bit like when I'm doing an erudology assessment Sometimes it's the smallest marks that stand out because they're the most significant So don't don't let the distractions of a lot of other things Point you to the intuition to what you need because sometimes this is how things are solved by general people like you and I point picking up something that Is the a whole moment? Yeah And that's I'm so glad you said that because if you are just going off of what the media says about these people Then you're not going to trust your guide But yes when I saw I was like he looks familiar like it immediately was like ding ding ding ding So yes, and we're going to get back to him because he's going to come back into play later on in the story So two months prior to his murder Robert left Covington and Burling to serve as general counsel for Radio Free Asia now and Robert according to what I Always look to see when people leave a job. Did they leave on good? Standing and yes, it just seems like Robert really wanted to do something really positive with his law degree and Radio Free Asia is a US government funded nonprofit news service that Broadcast radio programs and publishes online news and information and commentary fit for audiences in Asia now Again, this is where I want us to not be vigilante. I Know some people are going to be like, oh, but Robert was working for the government a Lot of people who work for the government are good people and this was 2006 you guys think about where you were in 2006, did you know in 2006 that a lot of nonprofits were shady? I didn't know That I think this kid genuinely thought and I don't know much about Radio Free Asia Radio Free Asia could be a great company I don't know much about it myself So I'm not and that's why I wanted to point out that he was still heavily involved in the Chinese American community Even though he was fourth generation meaning that he was like hardcore American I think that that that he just felt and I know a lot of I know a lot of friends whose parents immigrated to the United States who are like second generation American or third still feel a sense of pride that they're in being an American and having their family Sacrifice to come here to give them a better life And so they feel a sense of wanting to give back to their motherland You know to help out because I to my mind that's kind of where I think Robert was Where by fourth generation your parents were born here your grandparents were born here This is your home But you feel a duty to give back to to where you where your roots come from and so I that's how I kind of see What Robert was doing Using his education using his law degree to try to do good for what he thought was a great nonprofit and for it Could be a great nonprofit. I don't know much about the Asian nonprofit So it could very they don't talk much about the only thing you need to know about Radio Free Asian is that's where he was working When he was killed But he was so influential. I thought this was interesting He was so influential in the Asian community that at his death Robert was very active in the Asian community Serving as president-elect for the Asian Pacific American Bar Association So I thought that was you know, that's how much he was like for a 32 year old to already be like president-elect of the Asian American Bar Association. That's a pretty big big deal. So I think that's how much people really really liked him So let's talk about the murder So Joe Price again, we've already talked about him He was a college friend of Robert Juan Robert met Joe at William & Mary in 1992 So that was the year that Robert his first freshman year at William & Mary. It was Joe Price's senior year Now they were both pre-law. They were both lawyers. And so they probably obviously even though university campuses are big campuses They probably ran a lot of the same circles. That's how they became friends I know that they worked on some editorials together And that's and they just stayed friends. So he Robert was 18 when he met Joe Joe was four years older and by the time that The murder happened. They had known each other for 14 years had been friends for 14 years Now again Joe Price was also a DC based attorney He had just made partner at the firm Arnett Fox. So at 30, no for you about about 36 years old price made partner at this DC big-time Attorney's office now Joe Price was Openly homosexual and so we're gonna get a little bit deep into that deeper into the story a lot of what Joe Price had done in his Legal career again guys. This was 2006. So you have to bring yourself back to 2006 So some of the issues that Joe Price was working on legally are like non issues today This was around the time where there was a huge battle in the United States about whether Hey marriage was gonna be legalized now. It is totally legalized. I am gonna be honest I know there's a lot of people in our community that are anti Totally and I think anybody should be able to marry who they want to marry It's the agenda of the LBGTQ that I'm not a fan of it's not Homosexual I my best friend is gay like I In my opinion live and let live like as long as you're not hurting anybody and it's all consensual You do you boo like I think that that you know So anyway, I just wanted to point that out But at this time in 2006 if you can bring yourself back to that especially in the United States There was a huge legal battle happening about the definition of what marriage meant at this point in 2006 George W. Bush was our president and he but he stated that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman But we know that he's not playing for the good guys So I just want you guys to just keep that in mind that there's a lot of gray here. There's a lot of um So anyway, um, Joe price was living in domestic partnership with a man named victor Zarbowski there's gonna be some big last names in this story So I hope I'm saying the rise of Zarbowski Price and Zarbowski were also in a polyamorous relationship with a man named Dylan Ward All three men lived together on swan street in the Dupont circle of washington dc And a million plus dollar townhouse. That was very fine very well decorated a lot of money went to this house And I put here Catherine did you guys in the uk get the got milk commercials? So do you have those ad campaigns got milk? That was a huge ad campaign here in the united states in the early 2000s got milk. It was everywhere Zarbowski Worked on that ad campaign and so the americans. I think will understand like how So this was a very powerful for the domestic partners. This was a very powerful partnership you have this dc based attorney who's Really Mover and shaker when it comes to changing policy for gay marriage And then you've got the other partner who's working on this huge ad campaign. These are very wealthy men in their 30s I mean Dupont circle in washington dc I don't know many 32 year olds who could actually afford one of these townhouses today That's how much money in power is involved in this relationship all right So a week a few weeks prior to the murder Robert knew he was going to have to stay late on the night of august 2nd 2006 at his office at radio free asia now Robert had recently married a woman named kathy a few years prior And they lived in the suburbs of washington dc Very very normal a lot of people do live in the suburbs of big cities And so he would take the metro the train with his wife into dc every day to go to work But he knew that he was going to have to stay late and so Being a good person being a good husband He decided that he was going to message some of his college friends who lived in dc To see if he could stay the night with them that night instead of taking the train all the way back up to the suburbs Waking his wife up coming home late and then a few hours later later having to turn around and come back into the city Listen, if I lived in the suburbs, even if I was not married and had to stay late at work I would probably have done the same thing just stated it Right like that makes sense. And so, um, robert's Message to college friends. I want people to remember this as we get into the complications of this case and some of the um allegations thrown around He messaged two of his college friends that he knew lived in the city One was a female and one was joe price To see if he could stay at their house on the night of august 2nd The only reason why he stayed at joe price's house and not the females because joe price Got back to him first Okay, so there was no other ulterior motive to robert staying with joe It's just that joe got back to him first. And so when the female got back to him He was like, oh, no, it's cool joe said I could stay with him. Thank you though, you know, and of course, this is a townhouse There's a guest room. It's your college friend. You've known this guy for 14 years, right? I would do it the same thing to a friend. I've known for 14 years And apparently for the stuff I saw as well-priced, you know, his wife was perfectly happy and thought It was a good idea because she knew robert well as well. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely and we're gonna Yes, she very much trusted these guys. I mean these guys Through robert his surprise 30th birthday party. Yeah, that was pretty big. I will say in that time of 2006 I I know in 2023 most straight men Are really good friends with gay guys. It's not that big of a deal but in 2006 that would have been Probably looked people probably would have done a double double look double take and we're going to talk about that more We get to the police investigation of why robert was such good friends with these gay guys when he was straight he just and that's crazy for us to think now because You're just friends with somebody the sexuality has nothing to do with it You just like the person like kather and I are both straight women But we're not talking about What we do in the bedrooms like there's no it's it's exactly and so it's so it's so imperfect character With everything that's been said about about robert wrong because he was just nice he was a decent person and going back to what's happening now with the politicalization of Sexual preferences of gender and everything the whole point is you don't need to even mention that if it was a core value You're a nice person. You don't then judge anyone. You don't need to go any further than that You don't need to label anyone or anything you're you're nice and you're kind to everyone Exactly. I mean my my best friend who is gay. He's never once been to a pride festival Because he's always said like as a straight person, you're not known by your sexuality. I don't want to be known by mine He's like, I want to be known as a really good osteopath. I want to be known as a really good friend And that's true. You know, like if this was a straight dude friend of robert's it wouldn't even be No, it wouldn't even been in the fact that the girl he she was straight and kathy trusted that They were just college friends. That was it. They just liked the person as a friend And so um and so but they're going to talk a lot about this. This is going to come up a lot So I wanted to just go ahead and say the only reason why robert stated joe's house and not the girl's house is because joe responded back first, but he messaged two people So it wasn't pre-planned Specifically to say with joe He messaged two people to see and it was done a couple weeks prior so he could make sure and in fact They said the documentary that the night before so august 1st the night before august 1 Kathy had to remind robert That he was going to be staying late and reminded him to pack a bag Because he had forgotten that he was going to be staying late. So there was no nefarious Gay relationship happening. It was literally he was staying late at work. That was that So I wanted to all the evidence and we'll get more into the evidence later on in the episode as well so Let's see here robert got to price's dupont circle house around 10 30 p.m. On the night of august 7th Price's home was about a mile away from radio free asia So for those who work in kilometers and not miles i'll give you an example So walking for robert to walk to price's home. It would have taken about 20 minutes But we do know that robert got a cab which i would have gotten a cab too at that time of night in dc It's not the safest And it took about six minutes According to robert's blackberry phone for robert to get from radio free asia to Joe price's house now before we go any further I'm going to be showing pictures of the house the address to the house is out there. Everybody knows where this house is the three men price Zarbowski and war do not live there anymore I'm not going to lie next time I go to dc I'm probably just going to do a drive-by to see it But don't go hang out in front of that house taking picture somebody else lives there now Just be respectful that this is somebody's residence now. So just wanted to put that out there so Neighbors claim to hear a scream around 11 p.m. The scream was later identified as zarbore zarborskis However, zarborski called 911 at 11 49 p.m. So almost a full hour 49 minutes had lapsed Between the time they heard a scream and the time 911 was called now again These are townhouses And if you ever seen a brownstone or a townhouse In older cities like dc like new york like london they're very they share walls So neighbors can hear everything and they're going to talk about this house was over 100 years old So there are certain things that you would have heard in this house Because of the age of the house as well. We're going to get more into that. So that was very strange That they heard the screen but No 911 call until 49 minutes later And we're not just going to get to the timing. So he arrived there about 10 30. Is that right? Yes, and the scream that the the people didn't know the exact time of the screen because they were watching a news program But it was between It was about 11 o'clock. Yes That's not much time between him arriving for the house and then hearing a screen very short Yes, and most that's right because 2006 I mean we're going to talk about robert's blackberry like we didn't have iPhones like we have now blackberries were like the big phone then So yeah, most people would watch the evening eat news So we have like the 10 o'clock news the 11 o'clock news That's usually when you know the time is because you're watching I mean my parents would do that you would watch the exactly we used to yeah Yeah, now now I don't now I watch it for entertainment purposes now But uh, so at one point in the call and you can hear the 911 call guys It's it's on the peacock documentary. You can probably find it on youtube. It's a very strange call But I want to be careful Because I i'm not a therapist. I'm not a homicide detective. I know that shock affects people differently So different people some people are going to be just in complete Non responsive some people are going to be going crazy But to me this phone call was very strange and what was strange about it Is that at one point in the calls our boisky asked the dispatcher the time And it was 1154 And they keep going why did he ask him the time and no one really has an answer for that But it might have just been a reaction to shock. I don't I don't know So the a paramedics did arrive at the scene around 1154 p.m. So it's like five minutes later and they were uh, Then followed by the police Joe price phoned robert's wife kathy Telling her that robert had been stabbed. He did not tell her that she had passed away I actually don't have a lot of judgment on him for not telling her I don't know how I would tell Like if something happened to you kathryn and I had to call your husband. I don't know how I would actually say that like how do you tell Well, I've had when animals have passed away and telling other family members And if they've got to drive or travel somewhere You were you you're careful what you tell them because they could be so stressed and so distracted They could have an accident So I think that's very in my eyes anyway very normal that he wouldn't have said robert's dead He'd have said because he said get to the hospital quickly Yes, me. Um Well, yes, it is interesting We'll come on to that when we get on to the later bits because there's a little very interesting You can hear that telephone conversation on quite a few channels on youtube as well for those of you that aren't in the usa If you can't watch the peacock, I would really recommend everyone goes and listens to that because it's very significant Yeah, the human behavior aspect of this is wild and they have they do have all they have all the phone calls They have all the interrogation on video. You can watch as well So Kathy goes to robert was pronounced dead. I go to george washington university hospital Robert one was pronounced dead at 12 24 a.m. On august 3rd 2006 only 32 years old Price zarbowski and ward all voluntarily spoke to police without attorneys They all claims that an intruder had killed robert and they still maintain the story to this day All three men attended robert's funeral joe price even acted as a pallbearer at this point Many friends did start to believe that the three men were involved now We're going to get into some of the strangers surroundings surrounding to this case. That's the gist of it guys So the gist of it is again. Yes. So let's think about this if you are robert one You're getting off late. You get to your friend's house at 10 30 You probably when you get to the house, you're probably not going to go to bed right away Your friend's probably going to have a drink with you Chit chat and then you're going to go to bed and then get up. So This is what's the wildest to me when we get into some of the details of this case Is all of this happened in a 79 minute window? Yeah, I'm not a scientist I'm not a doctor. So some of these things could be very well explained But it's it's wild to me. So let's get into some of the strange surroundings So here's what we know At minute one there were four men in the house by minute 79 There are still four men in the house except one is dead and the other three are saying they did not do it The paramedics who responded to the call found the scene to be very strange and not typical of a crime scene Or an emergency situation Again guys, I'm going to reiterate. This is washington dc These paramedics Have been to probably thousands of homicides so for them to say From a minute ago, they walked in the house. They were like In fact, you talked about the hair in your neck standing up one of the season's paramedics said claimed that the hair on the back of his Neck stood up when he walked into the house They said all three men were displaying very unusual behavior, which again, I'm going to remind you Shock looks different on everybody But these paramedics have probably seen their fair of shocked people So for them to say something wasn't right If this took place in small town iowa, I would be a little bit more skeptical But the fact that if this took that this took place in washington dc I'm listening to these guys because they deal with this all the time All right, so the the paramedics before the police arrived said that whilst they were attending to the victim They were keeping an eye On joe because of the strange behavior. They weren't they wanted to make sure he wasn't still carrying a what? Wasn't still having a weapon. Yes So, you know the this is the issue as you say these people are incredibly good At reading the environment very quickly because that that's what they're trained to do in their whole career. They've had to respond Instantaneously to life and death situation. So it is very relevant their reaction when they went in I mean if you watch that if you guys watch the peacock documentary They interview this paramedic a lot almost 20 years later. He still looks Shooketh from this murder there was something that wasn't right. So Speaking of the three guys. So this is what they walked into. So They all three men had been freshly showered The man who opened the door wore a white terry cloth robe One had a towel around his waist and the other was sitting on the guest bed with the body of robert with just his underwear on The man with the towel around his waist which I believe was dylan ward Stared at the paramedics while they ascended to the second floor to the body and then walked into his bedroom and shut the door So for one second I'm just going to explain the way the house was laid out because they they talk a lot about the layout of the house because Shit's not going to add up with the story. They're telling with how the house is laid out So again, it's an old brownstone townhouse first floor you walk in you've got the living area and the kitchen You go up a set of stairs Once you get to the top of the stairs, you're facing the back of the house. That's dylan ward's bedroom Turn go down the hall. This is the guest bedroom. This is where robert was staying You go up a third flight of steps on the third floor was the full master bedroom So that's where price and zorbarski was staying were upstairs So the guy standing at the top of the stairs with the towel Was dylan ward and we're going to get really into dylan ward a little bit later on into this story So um, the house was very clean And very organized as if they had just simply gone upstairs and gone to bed not typical of an intruder All right on the body of robert one were three large stab wounds and according to the paramedics there was no Blood and we're going to talk. This is what's freaking crazy to me Not any on the body and none on the bed until the body was moved Once the body was moved only a little bit of blood was seen on the sheets The amount of blood you would see if you were to cut yourself not nothing legal It lethal it also appeared that robert had been cleaned in a shower According to the seasoned paramedic it appeared robert had been stabbed showered and placed on the bed Once the body was in the ambulance the emt observed that the stab wounds looked like surgical incisions As if a doctor had methodically done it The emt knew that robert had bled out even though there was no blood on the scene and the lead investigator did say What's wild? He said he's walked into homicides where there's been one wound and it's just everywhere And there was nothing so crazy crazy So the lead detective a man named brian wade arrived on the scene around 1 a.m on august 3rd This is normal though. So don't think there is anything suspicious about this Usually the lead detector will come at will come after the scene has been secured So remember the paramedics got there then the police came They removed the body the police secured the scene and then the lead detective came in to look at the scene All right And the lead detective in the peacock documentary. He said the first thing I do and I die is I'm going to ask God what happened to robert won? I mean and this is again the lead detective in washington dc Like this is a guy who's seen who's seen the craziest of shit and he's like I still don't know what happened to this man So um wade also found the house to be immaculate. This is a very wealthy and fine home Nothing was out of place Nothing stolen odd if the murderer was a random intruder By the time brian wade arrived all three men now had on matching a crisp white Roads wade noted that this felt extremely odd and unsettling. So Your friend has just been killed in your house You you're freshly showered with your two lovers in matching white crisp robes I think that would unsettle me too. I would expect the friend and the friend's partners to be a wreck To be in shock to be like in their pajamas still To be probably wandering around barefoot outside like you know The fact that they're immaculately dressed and showered is wild Like he said he still remembers, you know how and men have wet hair. They brush their hair back like it would still slip back wet And if he's saying he's unsettled Yeah, and and for all of them because okay one thing I wanted to bring out here shock Absolutely affects people differently. I've been in situations where Something terrible has happened and every person will react differently But these guys will react in the same virtually. So that's one red flag The other thing in brice when we go back to what you know, if any if I've learned anything over the years It's that the every coincidence is a synchronicity And has significance. So remember probably this time last year I was messaging you and we were talking about things to watch And you sent me the link to that film where there was that weird cult All dressed in white the thing so as soon as I read this And I read that they were in the white chris robes, of course lots of people have white chris robes But it wouldn't necessarily be what you would shove on if you were new the detectors were coming around And you weren't a thing and you wouldn't all be dressed the same So the fact that you and I watched this weird film about this weird cult and then they came like this That immediately sprung into my mind I got cult in my head too when you said that is well when I when I watched it for the first time too I was like, whoa, because yeah, if it were me, I would probably I mean I can imagine kathy Juan probably showed up at the hospital and mismatched sweatpants Exactly and then mismatched socks. She probably didn't even brush her hair You know, she was probably asleep when he called her she probably even brush her teeth Like she I mean, I know I wouldn't if somebody called me and said, hey, your boyfriend's been hurt He's at emory I would I probably wouldn't even put a bra on I'd probably just run out of the house And you grab the nearest thing to you and very rarely is that crisp now I know everyone has different lifestyles But the again the fact that all three of them had identical things on it's got to be significant in my book Yeah, totally totally um So the men claim that someone broken and killed their friend robert who happened to be staying the night Joe price claimed that an intruder must have come through the back door as it happened to be unlocked But by the investigation There was literally nothing out of place in the backyard. Remember these are townhouses How come neighbors didn't hear an intruder? There's also a seven foot security fence around the small backyard No cobwebs were destroyed or disturbed. No pollen was disturbed. So we have a lot of pollen on the east coast I mean, I was just laughing out on my front porch You could just see robby's paul's everywhere because pollen is everywhere And so this is late at night. So I don't think the men were clearly thinking this through So when they came back and they shined the flashlight, no foot marks anywhere No cobwebs disturbed. So if someone it's a seventh foot fence There's not a human alive that would not have to actually climb up the the fence and it kind of fall over Disturbing stuff in the backyard. So very very very strange um The police also thought it was weird that price kept using the word intruder He used the word intruder According to these seasoned officials when someone breaks into your house as the victim They rarely use they would say someone broke in someone broke in they don't methodically say intruder That's usually on the official official report I didn't even pick up on that. So the fact that's why I'm saying these police officers are trained to notice these things That he's right if someone broke into my house and I called 911 I probably would not in that moment of panic. I probably would not be using the word intruder I would probably think someone broke in someone's in my house You know what sort of lawyer price was I think he was uh, he had so he had opened up nonprofits for Gay right. I think he was working through the gay rights From what I understand. Well, it's not like he was on murder trials and therefore that would be a normal part of his vocabulary Yes Because you know if you were used to being Involved in murder trials or this sort of thing But he wasn't involved in that type of work at all. So it is very strange Yes And um and the lead investigator did say in the peacock documentary that the whole time he could tell joe price was in charge Yeah, like the other two men defaulted to joe like he was the man in charge of this Polly amorous He was the alpha basically When I said that so I know keep interrupting but just to connect to the dots is that's where my mind went back to this society and university That could have been very innocent but could not all because there were a lot of sort of Milestones there that related to behavior patterns. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. So yes, um brian wade also found traits amounts of blood in a guest room It was extremely odd that there was no blood He did find a towel on the floor of the guest room with small amounts of blood But not enough to warn a crime scene the blood that towel is going to come back later on in this investigation On the nightstand wade found a knife But there I put knife in quotation marks but there was Very little blood on it the knife was from a night set in the kitchen pretty much the only thing out of place It was basically like a steak knife and I still can't understand How that can be used as a murder weapon I don't think I could actually I don't know you guys know the knife we're talking about like they're not And it's going to come back the knife is going to come back later on That was very significant explained in the autopsy that that couldn't be and also there was no blood on the cutting edge It was almost like someone had smeared the knife like that on something, you know, so And they actually do find what I believe is the weapon of choice, but It ends up getting we'll get to that so this is all very strange guys And even for me as a layman watching before they got into the discrepancies of the knife I was like How and I've always wondered like I know that steak knives are sharp But and I haven't had a snake a steak in years. I mean I stopped eating meat at 14 But you see people when they even when they cut a steak it takes efforts To cut through the meat. Can you imagine the human body? I just don't think and and way brought up that if this intruder was there to murder When most murderers go to premeditated killings They come to the scene with their weapon of choice So the fact that he just randomly grabbed a steak knife is not typical of The story these men are claiming happened So at the foot of robert's bed Clothes were neatly folded with his wallet and his blackberry mobile phone. Why would he not Intruder not take those the comforter was perfectly folded on the bed The pillow was resting at the head of the bed the room indicated no struggle during the investigation The police heavily focused on the relationship between price zarbowski and ward We're going to get more into this In a minute Just keep keep holding on to that that there was a lot of bloggers We're very uh, uh, we're blogging at the time because this was before people were big on youtube Like this was a blogging people were keeping blocks a lot of these Just citizen journalists as we call them now. We're like hold up You mean to tell me that there's two for lack of a better word married people with a third person living in the house It's in a polyamorous relationship. They were like that is a pressure cooker Waiting to happen and I agree with them like to each his own like if you can do the polyamorous thing Do it but for me that would never happen like that is not a lifestyle that I would ever ever allow It is too much human emotion. It wasn't even either was it so we're gonna we're gonna get into that They're calling it a polyamorous relationship as of now in the investigation But they're gonna get even deeper into the workings of this relationship and I am telling you I was like, oh hell no Like I don't care how much money A man has or how good looking he is if you put me in that situation with another woman, let's say I would rather be homeless on the street like this so so a lot of these bloggers were like Are you fucking kidding? You know, we look at the police. We look at the lawyers We look at the medical examiners and they're coming from a very legalistic scientific approach We're average citizens were like us. We're like, oh, I know what happened This is this is Taylor's oldest time now remember that robert was also a happily married man now At the soap so we're gonna get into in a minute We're gonna get to where everyone was during this Investigation or during the time of this murder where they were in the house, but To do that I need you guys to follow the link below To rumble because as Catherine knows this story is about to get way more seedy And way more jacked up and we are going to be talking about things that there is absolutely no way That I can talk about that Catherine and I can talk about on youtube I said to Catherine this morning. I was thinking of ways of talking around it But it's not going to do justice to robert won We're going to have to use words that we cannot use on youtube So please follow the link down in the description box below to rumble to continue this story