 You know, open the meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board for July 21, 2014. I've got a fairly full agenda this evening. The first thing on that agenda is the continuation of the hearing in respect of the environmental design review of 1098 Mass App Verizon. Good evening. I'm Dan Klasnik, the attorney for the applicant for IASA Wireless. Thanks, please. Yes. When I was thinking about this meeting earlier today, saying, well, this is a little different than what I usually do. I usually come here to present something and talk about a particular project, but I know we've been trying to work through some issues that are somewhat unrelated. I guess I was just going to sort of try and recapitulate what we've done today. That would be helpful. Yeah, after we met first, I think, on June 2, you know, the board had asked us to go back, I think, and try and work with the property on a little bit to address some of the concerns and to get a little better direction, I think, from the town, because we were all, you know, the board was placed in this position too, though I think which isn't its typical role either, so I can certainly appreciate the need to clarify. So one of the first things that we did is we sent out letters, and this is just a copy from the board, we sent out letters to, you know, four different weeks that went out to the community safety officer, a town council to the town manager and also, I think, the board of selectments office. And I think, like, we sent a copy as well to Carol. So I was able to talk, obviously, with Carol, and I spoke a couple of times with the town council. I haven't really received a direct response from, you know, the community safety officer or anyone directly. I understand that they have been working with the property, and perhaps they don't feel comfortable, because I'm not really working with the property and contacting them directly. But it seems as if this wasn't ability to facilitate prompts and action. And I think it was reported to the board that, in fact, the property owner met on site with the community safety officer. I think it was on July 9th, and they walked the property. You know, we did get feedback from the July 9th. We did get feedback from the property owners representative. They thought it was a very good meeting. They thought it was a productive meeting. And then I believe they also have sent a letter to this board. I don't know if you received that from Carol, or if that's something we need to pass out, from the property owner's council directly in regards to the steps that they were proposing to take to address some of the issues and concerns, you know, that the town has expressed. I think what Horizon Wireless has tried to do, and I've heard discussions with the property owner through discussions with the town council, I think Carol was to really sort of set out a pathway so that we could get to a point where everybody's comfortable that the property owner was leading in a way that, I guess, the town feels he's incumbent upon someone who's operating a business in the town of Orange. So I guess the most tangible piece of information we have provided the board to show that the property owner does understand, you know, the seriousness of the role is this letter. I think this was sent in a large part in response to the letter that was sent by the director of the special services, or he made reference to the ability of the town to impose certain fines under their bylaw and also requesting this board to take certain actions in regards to the property. So I think that, to me anyway, that illustrates that the town has at its disposal necessary tools to enforce property code violations issues that are perhaps separate and apart from Horizon Wireless's application, which I think as we had discussed on June 2nd, everyone seemed to be fairly comfortable with what Horizon Wireless was proposing. So I think that we had illustrated compliance with the bylaw through our presentation. We had provided, I think, a fairly comprehensive packet of why we need the site, how the design was attempted to stealth and, you know, certainly mirror the existing facilities. So basically everything I think that the board has asked us to do, we've tried to undertake to do to the extent it's within our power to do, and we've, I think, presented a responsible application. There's a clear need in the town for this facility. Horizon Wireless has focused its efforts on trying to address those particular network problems that it's having as more and more data demands particularly. So this is certainly something that's very important in Horizon Wireless. I think it's important in the town. And, you know, we're really motivated to try and get this one built in on air in this time constraints that we are concerned with and the ability to do that and get that done by, you know, this year, particularly as you get into the winter months and that sort of thing, with the build out and the difficulties that weather can. Thank you. Appreciate it. That wasn't too many, Andrew. No, no, I think that was very helpful. Thank you very much. Carol, I think maybe you've gotten some other correspondence from that July 9th or at least some updates put it that way from folks on that July 9th. Maybe you could just give your impressions of what their impressions were. I asked the building inspector, Mike Byrne and the safety officer, community safety officer, Corey Reto, if they had a recommendation or a report and both of them said they were not comfortable with recommending that board proceed. They both indicated that they recognized that the board has the right authority to proceed as it seems fit but they were not comfortable with proceeding with the application because they, as far as they are concerned, I'm paraphrasing them because this was verbal and they feel that the owner is proceeding as they have in the past with a promise to bring appropriate compliance until a special permit is issued and then what we won't hear from them. We do have the letter that you saw from your associate's that I have not received from them yet but Mr. Klasnik received this copy and provided it to me this evening and forward it to you here saying that there is an intention to... So Carol, I'm sorry, so the timing on this is you did not receive this letter? I've not received this letter yet. It's addressed to the board. I received it from, by the way, Mr. Klasnik, but you know. We had asked the property owner to prepare a letter to the board to outline basically their thoughts from the meeting and what they were prepared to do for me to simply come in here and say I heard this from the property owner to me did not seem to be as effective as having something from the property owner's council or I think they've made, forgive me if I'm incorrect but I don't know that Mike or her officer, Rato, had the benefit of this letter when they made their comments but to me it seems like this is a firm commitment from the council for the property owner that they're going to file for a special permit which I think it's directly to what has been the concern that there are these existing special permits that weren't... I don't know, I try to read them myself and it's not entirely clear as to what the enforcement was so I think this is an opportunity and everything for one particular special permit for that particular building and the operation as they're being conducted at this time so to me it seems as if this was as far as we could potentially get it's getting the assurance from the property owner as to what they were going to do to address the concerns about the property Just a process question Were you thinking that this had been provided to the playing director or no, you expected that you were providing it for the first time? No, no That it was coming through you? Yes I mean it's addressed to the board but it was written today, right? Right, no I just was curious I'm assuming they put it in the mail Okay That's really the size of it But in some, very recently neither Mr. Byrne nor Officer Reteau felt that they were comfortable with recommending that the board move forward in fact they said that they felt that the board should wait and told practice providers to compliance and that they did not have any evidence of... Officer Reteau did say that their... First their vehicles were off with Mass Ave and then he said he didn't see merchandise vehicles back on Mass Ave He didn't say how long they were on Mass Ave but both Mr. Byrne and Officer Reteau felt that this was not enough not enough had been done by the owner to bring the property into compliance for either of them to feel comfortable and recommending the board move forward So they feel comfortable Thanks Carol puts all of you in a difficult position Bruce I didn't have the sense that we would probably not see a great deal of change of behavior by the property owner so it's not surprising what Carol reports from the building inspector from the Public Safety Officer and since this has just been such an ongoing and continuous set of violations I don't feel particularly persuaded from a term accused and posious letter that in fact the property owner would apply for a new special permit more than welcome to bring that application that they so desire or of course they can comply with the existing special permit but as of now we don't have an application in front of us from the building owner and based on what Carol is reporting from the zoning enforcement officer and from my own observation at the site the conditions remain essentially unchanged so my viewpoint on this is that we should deny the special permit because even if the rise in the use at the site it is only an incremental addition to the usage there's already an existing set of violations and in fact the specific provisions of the bylaw that I find are in violation would be 11.06 F4 which deals with circulation on the site including parking and 1106 F9 which deals with safety the fact that the parking is inaccessible at the site means that the employees and the tenants and the business visitors of this property find parking elsewhere on Mass Ave and on the adjacent side streets and that impacts the ability to park for other people in the neighborhood it creates greater congestion in the area and it increases the danger to pedestrians so at this stage I go to deny I have no reason to restate everything that Bruce just said but I agree with everything he said and I was by the site just a few days ago and I didn't see the parking being remedied actually I saw two very large vehicles parked where all the motorcycles used to be parked which would not be open for on-site parking still so I'm not seeing full compliance and I didn't look closely at all the housekeeping elements and this owner does have a very long record of non-compliance so I agree that just going by the letter isn't enough we need to actually see results I concur with my colleagues here drove by several times over the weekend twice today nothing's changed apparently there were jet skis out from the property over the weekend I'm going to agree with my colleagues as well you know from my perspective which is my legal background but you know the letter is nice but it's certainly no commitment and I think we're putting the cart before the horse unfortunately if we don't have that application in hand and have it scheduled frankly and heard at this point I think that's the level of trust or the lack of trust at this point is that from my perspective I'd actually want to have the hearing and go through the special permit process completely before taking up anything new so that's my view I do realize that I don't think I closed out a public comment the last time probably should have but I didn't I don't think so that's good enough for anyone this is in respect to the 1098 the special permit for the 1098 Mass App did anyone come to speak about that tonight? okay great did that part please so anything else Mr. Croson before I ask for a vote? well we didn't necessarily want to force the board into a decision this evening if that's not really comfortable so from that perspective I think we are rather well actually I won't speak to the board I'm comfortable asking for a vote because we've now continued it twice if my opinion is is what I've heard from my colleagues is if what you want to do is continue it and definitely I'm not sure we can even do that we really need everything else to come in come before the board and get that straightened out and then come back to this so that's certainly what I'm hearing from my colleagues we've continued it several times at this point there's been several meetings but there has been no real action by the property owner in respect to this I mean you've done everything right in respect to the part that you've brought even your use of the facility it's the straw that broke the candles back at this point there will be maintenance that has to happen to your things there will be construction that needs to happen and the way that building is set up right now I think what I'm hearing from my colleagues I don't want to speak for them is that no one's comfortable with that additional use incremental additional use so at any time at any time? no I think the property needs to get straightened out right now we have a letter in front of us that simply says I'll read it so people can tell there's quite a bit obviously it'll be put in the public record given the length of time that has gone by since the original grant to the special permits the tenancy turnover at the premises and the parking need changes on the property the community safety officer has requested that we apply for an amended special permit that will supersede all the antiquated site situations and no longer applicable special permits modifications there too we have agreed to do this and we'll be looking to file that application in the near future I guess what I'm saying is and I can go around to my colleagues but what I'm hearing from my colleagues is that needs to happen before I think it makes sense before before this board would be comfortable that the violations will be cured we're not getting a sense that the violations will be cured I guess the difficulty that Verizon Wireless is having is that this location is proving to be the only really suitable location because as the networks get more and more mature and the demands upon the networks become greater and greater the ability to locate on higher buildings or other structures I mean the search area is getting very near narrow thank you so Verizon Wireless is not really left with really any alternatives and we did go back and re-scrub the area and I did want to offer this supplemental affidavit from the RF engineer with the alternative sites that we've looked at and had that placed into the record as well this really is the only location that we have been able to identify that will service the town of Arlington I mean I think to the extent that the town has an obligation to the citizens it also has an obligation to Verizon the services that they want and everybody wants this service so I would hold that what Verizon Wireless has tried to do here is work with the town work with the board to address the extraneous to its application and that it should be it should be encouraged to continue those efforts so I would like to sure please that's fine, yeah, no problem with that a couple of points to make I'm not sure that I agree that this is entirely extraneous to the to the building the site that you've chosen has issues with the town it's as simple as that and those those issues have not been addressed so while we appreciate and we certainly want to help our citizens with the services that they require we also have a it's incumbent upon us as we go through an EDR public safety as well as environmental requirements and right now we've heard now at several meetings that public safety is an issue at that premises given what is going on with the parking and the street and the trailers and everything so I'm not exactly sure what to tell you on that I can ask my board but I'm not exactly sure when you're going to want to continue to tell them well what I had thought if it were necessary to continue until the end of August hopefully that would give the property owner ample time to file an application in the system with correspondence the only challenge there might be that I'm not sure what our meeting schedule was for August but first I'll turn it over to the board as far as maybe just comments and questions with respect to a different point of view well from a process point of view I suppose we could continue it I share the chairman's concern that August may not be long enough both with respect to the meeting schedule but if they're going to amend the special permit notice requirements for the public's hearing publication and the public hearing process itself you know it could stretch over it could be a multi-meeting type of hearing so end of August might not be long enough I suppose the other alternative would be that the application could be withdrawn without prejudice prejudice and then refiled once there was some clear indication that either the facts on the ground were changed or there's a new special permit for coverage of use of the site I guess I would suggest to the board that there's value to having Verizon Wireless's application pending to what the public's trying to accomplish so I don't know that you're prejudiced in any way by continuing to the end of August if we get to the end of August and it hasn't been resolved to your satisfaction then there's an opportunity to do what we need to do to address it and I would prefer not to to get to a point in the city where we have to decide whether to withdraw without prejudice or take it an aisle and people would have to evaluate what they would want to do with the denial of Verizon Wireless's headquarters I just assume we know that complication by allowing for a further continuance which my client's coming to do until the end of August if you're seeking a further continuance then I think it's very important that there's a very frank and open discussion about what needs to happen before the board would be in a position to entertain a continued hearing and I think that we've probably made that clear already but I think if the application came around again at the end of August and the situation is the same as it is today we'd be looking at the same set of outcomes whether to withdraw without denial or withdraw with the application or I suppose further continuance and it could be continued to a new date, sir let me ask just a very practical question do you have the authority to go to the end of August because I don't think that's to anyone's benefit just to go to the end of August well I would just prefer to have an opportunity to reevaluate it I think once again that perhaps serves an interest once again it's a different question it's simply practically speaking and I'm not saying whether we will go ahead and just more I think mid-September is probably a better timing on something like that I mean from the perspective of not sure what means it will be in August and then secondly you know given that and given it's August thinking that we're going to get through anything meaningful with the property on part of mid-September to late-September is probably not realistic well I have to revisit that each time with my compliance law department so I don't know that there's anything once again that's lost by doing it to the end of August well we may not meet and therefore if that's the case then I don't know how we continue it beyond that you don't think you're going to meet at all in August? it depends on what's going on frankly I'm not about to meet just for this if no progress is coming so I think that it doesn't necessarily it depends I'm not sure what we have got on the docket we need to go through all that but I think from my perspective I don't know that continuing out to the end of August does any good for anybody I think it needs to be sometime in September for it to happen I mean if that's the only way that the board will continue it I don't know that if you're not going to meet in August it's going to be difficult to make any progress in August no I certainly hope to but it takes at least two to ten going to sign this particular process a lot more than to more of a line dance and you know we're dealing with August and frankly if the board has no other hearing scheduled I be just being blunt I'm not sure I really see the need of getting the board together simply to continue this if no progress has been made that doesn't make a lot of sense to me just because we continue we have to do it to a date alright well let's continue with the board that's my thoughts on it so you're you're shooting for the end of August because of your construction schedule you're wanting to get it constructed this year so the short of the deadline the quicker well I think it's going to be very very difficult to get through this process the appeal process and its building permit and getting constructed the August 31st seems to be a reasonable time and that's why I was authorized to do it can any of your construction take place in the winter? yes certainly and your construction isn't huge well I can't speak it's a little bit of a bug Eric's here, he's the construction manager so he works 24-7 I do, 8 days a week actually but I mean it does become more difficult in the winter yeah I mean just general winter conditions it's going to be more difficult depending on the some roof penetrations and whatnot so you just have to work around whatever potential weather that's just more of a comfort thing but it certainly can be done obviously not not optimal but yeah you can definitely construct it how long do you think it will be? I would say 3-4 months just there will be some steel work everything has to be approved by the engineer once the measurements are taken this is actually going to be a stick for the shelter I believe so just the general construction lead times on some of our materials things like that that's just a very baseline timeline that we provide I'm always trying to better that but that just gives us enough time to hopefully construct the whole site excuse me just put the spelling of your name yeah first name is Eric with the C last name is Wayne right W-A-I-N-W-R-I-G-H-D I'm the construction manager for Verizon One House thank you so I understand your dilemma it's not an easy position to be in I don't think anything should move forward until the special permit is here so I think that's been established for the board but I want to say publicly that I agree with the chairman that definitely the special permit needs to be filed it needs to be here we need to see progress on the site being made that complies with the new special permit so that process could take two months easily and you know we've already had a month and there's been one meeting so if they were moving faster if there was more progress already if they had filed their special permit we would have some motivation momentum you know but we're not seeing any of that happening really the letter only came because you requested it it sounds like it came today so I mean I'd be willing to meet in August just to state that also if there is progress made if we have a special permit in front of us that we can see if there's no special permit I wouldn't see any reason so continuing to August we can do that and we can meet briefly just to but we will need to meet if we continue if we place the meeting at the end of August there might be other things on the agenda by then it's a month away I don't have anything further than Bruce Andy's having an idea from I actually wasn't at the opening it's okay hold off on any comment you just don't want to come to the other side haha got me I love coming by I know I'm sorry I will not be here on August 25th Monday and August yeah for the next Monday so now we're into mid September anyways yeah because you won't have anything that can do anything just Andy is not a lot of it he's not here at least three of us and he can't watch the video we take a big risk that there won't be so many yeah at the end of August I come back to wish you had a little bit more leeway from your client because right now it's a little difficult for that August 25th date won't work the next week is Labor Day so what are you thinking for myself the 17th sorry the night 8th 8th 15th I mean if that's what gets us to our continuance I will explain that to my client 8th yeah I mean the alternative is August 18th which is four weeks away the letter you have dated July 21st is in respect of a meeting that happened on July 9th which is two weeks ago so I ask you realistically does August 18th make sense to you oh it's difficult for me to speak directly for them my understanding is they didn't have the benefit of a letter perhaps they may not have had the benefit of a letter but they certainly had the benefit of what's been discussed now for over two months I I think you're hearing from the board some sympathy for yourself but but but layered underneath that and more importantly a concern about safety and additional use given the current use of that or use beyond the special permits that currently exists any additional use no matter how well intentioned and required by the talented citizens we can't just keep turning a blind eye and giving every additional use a pass on this until they come into compliance and we just haven't seen enough activity so August 18th in the chair's mind does not make any sense from a continuation perspective but also just because I just don't see if you want to come and I know you can't but why you can't so there's no use if you could commit to providing us with a special permit application by the 18th and maybe that makes sense but unfortunately you can't do that so I would suggest the 8th to the 15th and frankly the 15th so that anything you know that would give folks the beginning of September to get the special permit to us and that these people comfortable that they're moving in the right direction that's my thoughts it take three weeks to advertise once special permit is received so I think the board expects that's the other thing the hearing before proceeding with this continuous we have to accommodate that three weeks you know at this point the board would love to just see some progress from I'm not saying I'd like to schedule that hearing and maybe leave it to the chairman at the time to decide the best route forward but I think from a continuous perspective I can get comfortable with that in September or at least you know for this to see what kind of progress we're making in Mr. Clausen our current class and capability to tell us that circumstances have changed do we have a meeting scheduled for the 8th to the 15th? right now you have a meeting scheduled on the 8th and the 22nd of September so I mean I'll entertain the 8th because that would at least allow us to get to the receiving the special permit potentially advertising the hearing and at least it would show some progress I'm not sure it would be enough but it might be enough to keep the process moving anyone else comfortable with the 8th? it sounds fine so I think procedurally I think the applicant has to formally request the continuous to the 8th and I suppose Mr. Clausen I can do that now yes please the board I'd like to request a continuous until September 8th and I guess we should put it on for 7 p.m. 7 p.m. please I have a letter here and I can change the 8th okay can I initial it? that sounds great so I'll move that the hearing for the Verizon wireless facility at 1098 Massachusetts Avenue be continued to September 8th 2014 7 p.m. second all in favor? aye do I vote to continue? I think I do that's right that was unanimous and you're going to watch the video? yeah just in case just in case we only have four of us 15 bucks I can't so is that for Carolson? okay sure you'll sign this later that sounds good okay thank you thank you nice to see you again thank you good progress that would be nice we would all appreciate that next on the agenda is easement's vote the travel project and I think I see Laura let you hear the people go I don't are they from here? they're larger mostly turned out here to listen hi everyone so should I start before the project? this is probably going to be a part of this project it's a it's a another mass dot and federal highway funded project similar to one on East Arlington but much smaller and it is mostly focused on the intersection of Mystic Street and Mass Ave the initial goal of the project was to connect the two ends of the bike path I remember at one time there was a lot of discussion about the fact that people were riding on the sidewalks they came out of the bike path and they just ride up by King of Savings Bank and then try to cross and there were bikes really going in every direction so this project will first and foremost put bike lanes on both sides of Mass Ave in this area as well as sort of a path where the bike lane ends near Uncle Sam Park up to the intersection I did not bring a drawing of the whole project but it's going to put a crossing at Swan Place so that the bikes coming going in the west towards Lexington will come out and they'll be encouraged to cross Mass Ave and then go in front of the Jefferson Tutter House and then cross there and get on the bike path the bike path is in the road sorry, so there's a curb cut in the island isn't there an island there and a small traffic light that will be coordinated with a safe traffic light that will be primarily for bikes and pedestrians is that a new curb cut in the center of the media is there one of those is there one of those it's going to be a little bit adjusted so it can go straight and go like this so the federal government when they have money involved requires that there be easements for every location where the contractors might either stand on the property in order to move the sidewalk or in this case where they're putting in wheelchair ramps they require a certain amount of clearance so that clearance cuts into the Jefferson Tutter House property so there's six easements all around the Jefferson Tutter House property the and one more part yes we always ask people when we ask for an easement they're entitled to some compensation for that but we always ask them to fill out a donated in this case it doesn't make too much sense to for the town to pay every development court for the easements we're probably talking about $1,000 or so total for the six easements so I'm here to ask you to approve donating these easements to the town of Arlington your all of your rights are still protected though if there was any damage done to the property you still own the property it's just that you couldn't do anything to block the property in the future but the permanent easements you couldn't do anything to block the temporary easements you can't block during construction 443 years to be exact from the day that we go this diagram here shows exactly where the easements are they're really quite small there's six within these two this is one and this is five there's five different locations here within this triangle I mean I'm a rectangle there and the project is approved by well it's approved by MassDOT and Federal Highway and then also it's been to the Selectman there were four public meetings at various times it hasn't been approved it's an approved project it's just up to us to allow the easements to go through that's right it's all you're really allowing all you're really doing is saying you don't have to pay us for the easements because the town will take them no matter what so the easement on the corner here can I just ask a question so I see where the ramps are is this where the sidewalk is going to be the edge of the sidewalk is that where it exists and the new edge is going to be at the back of the permanent easement this is a permanent out of temporary easement so I'm wondering if it's the back line if that's going to impact anything in the park itself like the railroad tracks look and see what was right there on the corner it's definitely not going to impact the railroad tracks it's a good distance away from those that was my only question it looks like it's only if it is the back line it's only maybe four feet farther back but that would give you eight foot of clearance so maybe it is the front line looks like about eight foot of clearance and you only need four behind the the curb ramps usually so maybe it is still this long it's hard to tell yeah maybe that is it my only question was if it was going to impact the park and you said there's no impact so that's fine if they have to make it wide for some reason thank you Christine may have just answered my question but the permanent easements that are in part of the rectangular box where the temporary easements are the reason that those are necessary is because under ADA requirements you need to have some additional area behind where the ramp part is on these types of ramps you need a certain length I believe it's six feet but it depends on if there's any slope there so they need what they need here to comply with that type of ramp that is a different type of ramp so on this one there's a landing space at the top of the ramp that gives you the four foot area and they're going beyond that and maybe way beyond that okay and I was initially confused but I think I get it now that the there really are four permanent easements it's just that there are two easements with these little bitty slivers of well there's three permanent and then two temporary the T's are temporary three of the easements are 37, 27 and 30 square feet so those are very small the size is extremely small so as far as that goes it makes sense I was more concerned because that is a prominent part and there are features in there if there was something so I'm talking about the entrance does the curb cut already exist because I just didn't see the big map the curb cut on the to get into here this is an entrance to the parking lot okay alright I'm fine I'm fine it took me a while to figure out that was the entrance to the parking once I figure that out I do remember all the different designs I realize this has gotten to this point it's going to happen I would say next spring the bike lanes are in the road they're not on the back of the sidewalk but we are removing some parking in front of kind of things to give a little more to make the bike lanes safer it's very tight there, there's a lot of lanes of traffic squeezing hands the first plan did not remove the traffic and there were a lot of comments saying that they thought that it wasn't safe for bikes in particular is the final plan online right now to see it? was that an earlier version that's up there? probably the final plans are still not online we're still going to comments on that stuff so they probably still need to be drawn final plan final plan that kind of reflects close to the 25% oh that's all? is that accurate still or not at all? it's close okay we will get the new ones up the town just launched a new website so we were in transition for a little while and we didn't put them up because we were waiting but now we can Laura is there a special way that you want to do this I did draft a vote because it's rather long okay I can read it or I have copies I'll read it into the record so choose the Arlington Redevelopment Board hereby approves the nation of the following easements numbered xxpe xxte8 xxte9 xxpe12 xxpe14 as indicated on the plan called Arlington Bikeway Connection and Intersection of Massachusetts Avenue and Mystic Street preliminary right-of-way plan sheet number 11 and 13 donation of easements is for purposes of pedestrian curve ramp construction and sidewalk reconstruction within the project known as Arlington Center Safe Travel Project the board hereby authorizes its chair Michael Carr to sign easement donation plans for its path so we'll all in favor alright where's the sheet number 11 and 13 or is this not the actual sheet there are no sheet numbers on this those are blow ups does this say sheet number 13 yeah sheet number 13 where it's tiny yeah this one so this is 13 and which one is 11 you know 11 shows only the corner it doesn't show this one so I didn't give you both but it falls on both sheets this is good this is 11 so it shows only the corner and 13 the other business are back here but they're not showing this plan thank you thank you okay next on our agenda is the Millbrook District study area do you want to answer Laura and it's been participating in this and David Steele told you might know our technical planner David Steele who prepared the map for us the purpose of this agenda item is to try to set the board with your idea that on would try to define a study area for the Millbrook District that the board have discussed for some time now I remember you held that interesting meeting in December joint meeting with Conservation Commission when boards and committees and town staff talk about this we're finding that it's clear and we're not all talking about the same thing sometimes on the ground so it seemed time for the board to not establish a district but to establish a study area for a possible district Millbrook District study area with that said I want to turn it now to David to describe a little bit about the rationale behind the map alternatives go ahead so in the spring of 2014 the planning department applied for and received a grant from MNPC to study access and impediments to portions of Millbrook from Mass Ave, MNM, and Bikeway and the neighborhoods surrounding the work it's actually part of a public health grant to basically see if we can work some way into the EDR process where they're going to to include healthy benefits or options to access the work from the neighborhoods so that was the original idea behind it and I started thinking well what is this if it's an area you don't know you can talk about the Millbrook District but it's not really defined so here in the maps I think you all have the evidence for them the first one centered which is entitled Millbrook Study Area 1 centered more on the activity areas I was thinking so basically leaving out the cemetery and the reservoir because those are already essentially established natural areas and also between would be up for redevelopment in terms of things funding Mass Ave the second option there was the original study area that was in I believe the linear park report from 2010 and also I think was used at the joint meeting parallel reference report from December 19th of last year the third option map number three and stop me if I'm going too fast was thinking that it made sense to create a continuous parkway from essentially up by the reservoir all the way through the Millbrook into the DCR property along the mystic which then may not be included in the study area itself but gets you to the L.S. Parkway which they have a lot of new four block space down there open space to kind of actually doing a lot of work so it made sense to connect all of Arlington's verbal ways really and then the fourth one was really a center focus that's based on Arlington's center with the two key properties being there's a really nice channelized work section behind I believe it's called No Brook Apartments on Mill Street and also a very lengthy, well it's very lengthy for Arlington's section of Open Bank Brookway that starts going from Carson goes all the way into the DCW so those were the four quick considerations but you know feel free to draw on the maps whatever you feel like doing the study area, can I ask a question? The study area is what you'll be studying for the grant The current geography for the study area we're working with for the grant with this number two parcel so this is what you're working with already that is what we're working with for right now studying the parcels along there in general we still have to address the access to other neighborhoods surrounding the area so that could be appropriate and this is also something the master plan committee is going to use? I would like this to be the study area that the master plan advisory committee would consider or the conservation commission or the open space committee if any work that comes out of this could enlarge the district or reduce the district but at least when we talk about the study area all town boards, committees, commissions ad hoc groups or staff will have a sense of what the redevelopment board thinks the study area should be David, I have a question there's a little spur here which I think is that a short little brook, is it Rymer Street? Maybe Rymer Street, but this part I didn't quite understand there's a brook that it's a channelized section that runs right along the bikeway so that's actually not part of the nil brook itself but it runs just through the bikeway with the whole thing channelized on the side where does it start from and where does it go to? it pops out, right, where you see where it starts and goes back underground underground and honestly, most of it if you're on the bikeway in the summertime you won't notice it's all a little Japanese Navi but if you go in the fall or early spring it goes under an underpass it goes under an underpass, it runs right along the bankway I wanted to add a couple comments if I may, just so the board can consider further there Cook's Hollow, where you call there was some concern about access was at one time you could get right through the Arlington Catholic High School at Letterfield there is no longer access so you may want to consider whether to include that in study area or not since Cook's Hollow is very important part of nil brook, it's open channel it's historic and natural resource and it's attractive for possible recreation at the opposite end on the west is that very sharp almost 90 degree jog in the channelized section of the brook near Drake's Village which was an attempt to address flooding but I think over the some of the decades we've seen that his disaster days flooding are really severe storm events so I don't necessarily recommend this try to be all things to all people but when you're considering a study area I want you to be sure you know what's not going in depending on which map you choose or amendments yeah I mean I'll pipe in here I guess what do we think is the benefit of reducing the size because obviously you said that area study area 2 is the one that's currently being used is the notion that if we kind of scale that back a little bit that we'll be able to focus better on it because I kind of agree you do miss that whole connection up around the res on any of the other study areas as well as on the other end as well so I guess my own view is I mean I know it's a lot but I'm afraid if we scale it back and we don't include that we won't be thinking of things like the issue with 90 degree job there or the the buzz of fields as to what they can bring I think that's also not included in any of them other than study area 2 as well so I guess I'm inclined to keep it rather broad myself does that make a difference for your study it does not impact the study you can go larger there's nothing saying that this whole thing can't be phased of course so this study area 4 could become the first intensive planning phase someday or a piece of this and then it goes out wasn't Meadowbrook Cemetery I mean Meadowbrook Park just in the paper as being somewhere in the cemetery area here it was Meadowbrook yeah I saw that it's right at the end here it's kind of a yeah I wanted to go go see that two confested wetlands my dog I would like to actually because it sounded lovely so it's I think it would be nice to include that since it's a hidden gem it's a little wetland area it needs some protection it might be nice to have access and maybe have better access to it someday it's within map 2 it's within map 2 yeah it's just beyond I don't think it's in map 2 well it's in map 3 yeah I have mixed feelings about extending to the Mystic Valley Parkway it certainly is part of the whole Greenway but we're getting into another river system now since this is called the Meadowbrook study and that's the Mystic River and it's probably been studied at Nazium Mystic River in general with the Mystic River Watershed Association and it is fairly well developed already the DCR land is fairly set there it's not really town property the Greenway along there it's a lovely Greenway I walk it all the time up to the Mystic Lake I think stopping at the Mystic Lake might make some sense as we have on study area 2 I think study area 2 is looking it's looking good and I like keeping in the park that is the ice rink I forget the name of the park and once again, study area 2 is the only one that does have cooks all the right Carol? entry I think 4 is a little too small I think we want to look beyond just that central area is there a reason why on and 3 we did these areas out beyond is that the edge of some property it is not any intended edge of the property with the exception of the first one I wanted to include the rest of the park as I mentioned it was thinking of an activity area and that's where the park is held there's other activities there and where is that on here? over here so that's included here is that included here? this is Medford Street the other two are different cemeteries here this is Mystic Street so it's not included here I was looking at it on a planet yeah it might make sense to include that that's a key access area that's right in the center of town to add that in do you see what he's talking about? it's shown on study area 1 between Mystic Street Chestnut Street and Medford Street so you can this little corner on area 2 you can see it here the farmers markets there that's kind of the center of town you just add this little piece on yeah so it's the area we just talked about with the easements it's a little bit more a little bit more I think that would be that whole center area would be important so there's no magic to these edges going beyond from the stream from the road I see so that's the that's a permitting 500 foot is the permitting honestly it was it's not the riverfront it's an arbitrary area yeah I think it makes sense to go along the Minuteman as a monument although we have talked about going all the way to Summer Street haven't we at times? yeah but you know this oh I'm go ahead I think this basically cut to the chase the study area 2 what's important to remember I think if I've got this right Carol was trying to help me understand this this is a study area that allows you to get grants to to do what? we currently already have the grant in place now I think the study area would be for any future grants or studies that we want to take for them over so the Millbrook um it's a little bit different it's good to kind of unstring the whole thing it was the way we started to think about it as the Millbrook linear park that was kind of the first thing that came out of of the study that was done by the open space and that really has to do with just the brook itself but what it kind of spurred was an idea about the whole district which we're calling we called the Mill district we're calling the Millbrook district and what was interesting about that was that it fell between Massav and the bike path and there it was right in the middle and it was right at the it was also bordered by Arlington center Arlington Heights so that was what we talked about when we did this which was part of the Millbrook study that was the same area so in the long run it may be that from a more urban planning or zoning point of view I should say that there would be a Millbrook district which has to do with a special permit district that allows you to create houses and whatever but for the time being it seems reasonable to combine the entire brook and go all the way out to the Mystic Lake because then you pick up the whole brook and all the way to the reservoir but what I'm trying to just kind of let everybody know is it's a study area that then could be refined into districts, sub districts, buffer districts so we may say there's the Millbrook district development, overlay district wherever it gets caught and then there's the Mystic Lake extension to the linear part we'll end up figuring out how to best delineate everything in terms of the overall master plan and so forth so I just want to make that point because there's a lot of confusion every time I have to talk about this there's the brook but there's the district it's the same as the linear part it's not really the same the Millbrook district is using bike path, Mass Ave commercial district and the brook to create an idea so long story short I'm sorry it takes so long but that is a good context to remember and as far as I'm concerned I think study area two all the pieces that you may need it may be that when we get to the final point of master planning building, of districting that there'll be buffer zones on the sides of Mass Ave and even all the way out to Summer Street as Christina is saying they may be a poor Millbrook district and then extension districts and they could have different regulations or different ideas for each one so we've got a long way to go to get but I think it seems like for your purposes now and to gel everybody's consideration of this I think that too is the right one that one quick question has, does the brook really go beyond the reservoir? I thought it right in and I got that from looking at one of those early studies I think it might actually pull from the great meadow but I don't know what that is that's really interesting it's spring fed isn't it I thought the great meadow fed the reservoir which fed Millbrook so I believe by extension but the way this map is showing it's continuing on that's Mary White but now I want to go up and see it and I want to see that can you see this brook running I'm not sure I haven't gone up to the great meadows to check no I mean running north of the res sort of off the page over here to the the way we actually you know why because that's next to the parking lot actually that's exactly right because it's next to the parking lot by the sarcophagus no that's heard that's before but it's going around it's going around it goes like this but think about it because the rest is right back there so it's actually coming it's this point right here but does it go that way I don't know because that's a great feeling on the extended map that I have unfortunately you would actually just come up and do a big loop here oh it does make a great loop and goes right at the other side it's a true great meadow I thought it just went right in here this is the thing is that it comes this way and comes up and goes in there it does make a loop I think it does connect here though that's where the bridges that's where the bridges it might go all the way around exactly it connects right up here it connects right here it's a bridge but he's saying it's going around which is weird why would it go around like this there's a little blue dot there but then it goes right right so I didn't go to use it because there's a baseball field where you can't get the kids out like they always want to go in there so Andy if we're in the future and maybe thinking of connections from Summer Street shouldn't we include that in the study now maybe we should go out to Summer Street it's a good question I guess so to that extent one might be a little bit closer because it does pick up one is so short it changes and come out to Summer Street in this little area here we could add this area in if we wanted to and then we're going to add them they're easy to notice and I wonder if we shouldn't go up to the roundabout then on Medford Street which is two roundabouts maybe we should go up to that maybe we should go up to that because that's where we want to pull the path goes over there so maybe we can continue it up that's fine so one, two, three three additions that gives you the whole scope this one where are you going on that one this one I thought we should go up to the roundabout which is on Medford Street there's one on Medford and then there's one on the other street River Street the parallels yeah so yeah we're not in Arlington we're in Medford so up to that first one and then hug the Arlington line and then come across yeah and what about I actually kind of like your notion of yeah this one and then this one up to Summer Street three areas one, two and then Christine's extension Christine's extension now is there any drawback to making it that big and I think once again this is the study area so the whole notion is a slice and dice the study area for something tactical and practical right I mean so I think it's fine is there any drawback in making it bigger we're not going to put anything on a map anyone in the map wants to know what's going to happen to you that is just where planning staff explain what a study area is so in answer to your question I think that's the only drawback sometimes people say how come I'm not included in the map you just I'm only saying you want to be prepared to explain what it's about and whether there are a lot of circumstances right I think Andy's point is well taken if I understand it correctly there will be portions of this that we will begin to think of as a zoning district or an overnight district there are other parts that are going to be open space there are other parts that are buffer zones between the the new zoning area and just you know to sort of transition away from that in a way that respects the existing uses that are there or you may even find that a little block not so little that Christine has added between mystic chestnut and Massabit really has a different identity than the rest of this thing and say well that's more central business district and we don't want to make that part but that's what you find out through studying it that's exactly what you can't make a perfect assumption right now you just have to go forward with a reasonable area that relates to what we're talking about which is the core of the town and the middle group and do you guys agree with the whole not studying the mystic river I think you guys do another area for that and that's been done it's a different jurisdiction too and it's not really the middle group and this little part is also DCR probably this little piece here I don't even think you need to add that maybe we don't because it is DCR anyway that's kind of set I just make it the two areas that you added I think I agree with that well it is connected I think there's sidewalks through there I don't remember walking that side but what's it about it goes all the way out the sidewalks go all the way up to the intersection it's just a sidewalk along the road and you're right the road here is right at the edge of the lake right in this area so there's a sidewalk here I think connects the right way I think you are going a little far I would just let the brook end and let that be the next that's the next one that's a mystic river and so forth so I would just add these two and let it just widen out a little bit what is this green space here that's a park that's a park it's got a water tower on the top and a house there's no water tower oh no it's just a house the house and conservation land and other stuff so for the record the current discussion is to add the area between mystic Chessnut, Medford and Massav and is the and to fill out the zone meeting summer street between the bike path no between here and here so it's this so this little chunk yes and not and not adding that area beyond that over okay that's our current discussion that's for you and here's some handouts for you just in case you had a statement he put things and he does that all the time you're giving me the opportunity thank you because none of us could find our coffee we all think we blend our coffees to each other you're having an online coffee today I think it's online is it? I'm not sure but an open space committee that's that that booklet was presented at a public hearing that one right there public meeting right and the other one was presented that was from December was that a public hearing? it was a public hearing it was a combined meeting it wasn't a public hearing it was a combined meeting but it was a public meeting so do you want us to do you want us to vote on the study area? yes I'd like you to consider voting on the proposed study area as amended what's the name of this little zone Christine that you added on? Russell Park Russell Park I think in the record we'll explain Chestnut, Medford Street Mystic, Medford you can use the roadways there's just these two additional areas Mass Ave to Medford include that block, Mystic Street to Medford Street right down to Chestnut okay and summer connecting Nills Hill the water from Washington Street down to almost the bike path yeah summer street to the bike path oh it might as well make it go to Nills Street or yeah you're right yeah it'll just go to Nills Street just down to Nills yep do you want to take it? no I think that's a good idea I suppose you can make out on my that's great so how do we vote on that? I think we can say may I ask a question please? sure if you could just say your name and address my name is Elsie Fiori my address is 58 Mont Street in Arlington thank you I'm here tonight not knowing this was coming up but I thought I should try to get back in the swing of things especially I'm especially glad I'm here now because I was chairman of the conservation commission when Coach Harlow was put into existence so my question is when you talk about this being a study area you're going to have the broken I'm guessing that it looks like you're going to open it all which was one of the things that was talked about at the time when you started working on the Coach Harlow I think we can the other part of that is so are you when you call this a study area is that studying just for the purpose of widening this area to make it nice or are you talking about having possible development on either side of the brook? I think we're talking about it simply as a study area and by that we mean that as we get into the master plan as we get into everything else we've been trying to define this concept of the Millbrook district and in order for us to get a better handle on it we still have been talking about things differently each time it's brought up so we're not talking about doing anything specific with this open it up change zoning or anything else all we're talking about right now is that when the master plan committee talks about the Millbrook study area when the Arlington redevelopment board talks about the Millbrook study area we will all be on the same page with what it is we're talking about it hasn't been a common language that has happened but this in no way changes anything in respect to that area that's being mapped other than to say this is what we're going to look at when we talk about different things that could possibly happen in respect of a Millbrook district that we might take different pieces, different commissions and try to say well we think this or we think that but at least we'll be talking in a common language about what the Millbrook district study area is so then I'll have to come to all of those potential and I think just to amplify Mike's point we're just really trying to define the geography we're not saying what goes in it or how it happens but what area are we talking about we see pictures in everything so you don't mind and you may or may not see the same picture I do but on Millbrook study area one I look at a lady diving her head up here she's got very big feet it's like a workshop exactly as well what you say it's like looking at the clouds well thank you appreciate the comments so I think entertain a motion to approve Millbrook study area two with the amendments as proposed if someone would like to move so moved all in favor hi thank you appreciate it David tell me again what your grant study is doing the grant is to assess access and impediments from the neighborhoods and the bikeway to basically better access all the open space that currently exists so how do you get from parcel to parcel the intervening parcels are not so is this now going to become your study area for your grant or that is already set I can certainly expand it and as I said I need to expand it's kind of a standstill not necessarily game loading for there that's just it seems like you're interested it's like I have a full day tomorrow that study was done I think does he have the data that's your reading person what do you mean yes I think 77 I believe you make him happy that's what I said very interesting thank you very much appreciate it I've seen that electronically yeah alright next item thank you that's fine we're going to have a master plan discussion I think is next on my agenda so Carol I'll leave it to you as far as beginning discussion on the master plan some updates to start the working papers are online and I hope you'll take a look at the discussion questions at the end of each if you haven't already it's also a great excuse to go on and take a look at the new telework site which is very attractive so please especially try to get acquainted with the themes that are emerging from the papers and the discussions tomorrow night is the zoning diagnostic that the zoning board of appeals is expected the zoning enforcement officer RKG will present some of the pros and cons of our current zoning opportunities and challenges to try and impediments in the zoning to realizing some of the hopes and dreams that have come out of the planning process so far that's tomorrow night at 7pm in the central school there was also the visual preference survey I wanted to give you David circulated their results I wanted to give you just so you can get an idea pretty high response rate it was a very enthusiastic live event but a lot of people do you remember what the count was at the event I believe it was close to 60 but online there was 650 approximately wonderful so quite a few more it was really good I think it exceeded expectations so it's interesting to look I think one shortcoming that I think was unavoidable when you decide to use visual preference survey with familiar buildings we all have an inherent bias towards what's familiar or what's established and I think that for the most part you will see that here there's nothing wrong with that however I do also see that there page 3-28 was a little bit of a surprise yeah that is funny this is what used to be the long funeral home number one at the corner of Massav in Cambridge at the corner of Massav and I think Beach Street or it's before Beach Street Cambridge Common and that's the new Leslie College building next to it I think and I wouldn't say they're neck and neck but 55% thought that the building on the right second one was preferred and 44 which I think reflexively you might not expect that many people to be supportive of kind of a cubist modernist style well it's funny so a testament to maybe the pictures look at the one on the left it's a very busy intersection and then there's the building kind of far away and then on this one you've got the Cambridge Common which anyone's had a beer there they might be appreciative of that particular thing and it's a little bit more human scale I think it's interesting because I myself like that modernist building although it's weird how they just get that one yeah I didn't know whether we needed to do that because it's down I think you might remember the store yeah exactly I'm not sure some things you might feel were you might look at this and say oh that's what I would have predicted others I don't think are appear to be what one might have predicted this is all to try to help inform the process if the recommendations come towards form based codes or design guidelines so this was this was eye opening I think in some respects but it's also going to help with the recommendations that come out so take a look through here please let me know if you have any questions the master plan advisory committee will have a table at town day and just want to emphasize again the working papers please take a look just even if you only have say half hour just look at the discussion questions at the end of each working paper and then that I think will keep your interest and you'll want to see more about what some of the highlights are and come tomorrow if you can yes definitely if you two nights in a row I know is a lot to ask but the next time it's possible that we won't gather here again until September so I'll try to remember to get a report if you wish on the Zone Diagnostic and the joint meeting with the board of Sleipman and the master plan advisory committee read about and what isn't going to happen it's not scheduled at this time it may be important to schedule that as the master plan advisory committee gets close to some recommendations I feel that another important step would be to try to schedule some meetings it's a joint precinct meeting with time meeting members I don't think it's going to be possible I don't think we have enough people to have one meeting for each precinct but there are some precincts that work together I think to have a Q&A an informal question and answer informal implementations to the precincts is a good next step it's really intensive I mean you don't want to start something like that in July and August because there's too many people would it be just for an overview or more detail overview and also to answer questions to provide additional information I just think it's also an opportunity for time meeting members who you know I won't I'll never forget after a certain warrant article that was defeated a member came up to me at the break and said I hated voting against that but I felt like I didn't know enough about zoning or I didn't know enough so this would provide kind of a wide open opportunity for time meeting members to ask those questions they don't get to ask about zoning the master plan process and how they are related why not to make it less labor intensive group more precincts that's the idea maybe get it into four groups some of them already work together so we can start that way just to make the labor less intensive for the committed you can put town meeting members together it depends on where we work together we may not be able to meet in public places which it depends on how large precincts are oh I see some towns and cities have done planned events in pubs and restaurants and diners to try to get more participation to go out where people are rather than asking people to come in too to the hall or something excellent idea like in the old days you know a potluck or something thank you for the hard copy it's a lot of trees but I thought it was I don't think people are scared of density is what this tells me I was surprised it's interesting I think they like street wall yep either that or you better have a big park I think like the Trader Joe's and the Walgreens sometimes I think they're voting because they want to be able to park yeah exactly like when the Trader Joe's the setbacks of the buildings that were built over existing buildings they voted both times to bring it out to the face which is interesting because it's a simpler form and also in life it's the street but some people would say it's more shadow it's more height it's interesting that they voted for them so I really do ask the board your homework is to check out the working papers and make a mental note of any questions you have or actually jot them down email them to me we'll try to have an agenda item in September to address anything that you've observed or any questions you have about the working papers and discussion issues that's great thank you next on the agenda is the approval of the minutes thank you absolutely thank you thank you so the minutes of July 7th 2014 comments Bruce? a couple about the fifth paragraph down when we were talking about the extensions probably leases at the Department of Mental Health and Developmental Services I was wondering if anybody knew who studied that motion and my correct option is that it was approved for NEL and it was the next one it was approved it was approved for nothing but I don't have a, I can't remember who seconded the motion I think we're all there a little later on it says Mr. West but I think it's Mr. West oh right to the meeting correct yeah sorry that's right I arrived before that's in there oh you did okay well I seconded your motion to approve the minutes so that's correct that one was correct maybe that was Mr. West I just assumed you had a live no I think so but I'm not sure do you remember voting on that the mental health I came in as you were wrapping that up yeah I think maybe what it is is Mr. Brunel arrived to the meeting put that in front of the just move that up one paragraph that goes in front of the Mr. Witzman's move to approve the June 6th 2015 and we can always say that the after that the motion was seconded the motion was seconded and approved is it important to note who makes the motion? I don't think that's important maybe we should start to eliminate that just to simplify the minutes and just say the motion was approved or seconded and approved the seconded and approved unanimously yeah yeah exactly and then we'll name the one yeah that's when we'll use the name then on the flip side about the fourth paragraph Mr. West asked if the proposed was a standard size sign that paragraph he said that he disliked the sign floating in space and I thought maybe we should add on the facades as opposed to floating in space you had a nice dirigible or grown aspect to it that I kind of liked and then at the end of that line it's like we may be missing a couple of words so where the clause begins after the comma even if it made it longer even if it made the sign longer even if it would make the sign longer let's see it's just the longer it's just the longer it's actually it's okay so it reads that okay for me we've been doing documents used or we're not doing that anymore we are supposed to do that okay so this one had a few documents it was that whole sign package right I brought the documents with me and if you need the names do you want them or we'll uh that would be even the Stuart Eichel group sign package yes I have it on my desk you sure because I got it too yeah I have it here too do I just attach it to her Amy? Amy probably has it also she actually does from the decision okay so she's got that so she can name it however right and then the leases we used I don't know do we use the Verizon package that we were given that night we didn't really we just continued it so we didn't really use that and then I thought in the second paragraph the board turned to the lease extension item on the agenda should we say to the Department of Mental Health and Department of Developmental Services lease and then we don't have to name it again maybe in the fifth paragraph there we could just say prove to move the lease extensions and to authorize the chair to sign so we could just move those titles up Carol to the from the fifth to the second okay we'll figure I'll figure out how to explain it to Amy that makes sense to me okay and then the one two three four fifth paragraph up from the bottom the big paragraph the second line he commented that parking is an issue and that there are a lot more vehicles on the site than it can handle I think he meant to say on Quincy Street than it can handle or we meant to write that because then the parking issues leave only one lane open for cars going to Odyssey Middle School and the employees I think we were talking about Quincy Street there there are a lot more vehicles on Quincy Street so it's a does site it should be I don't know if you guys remember I mean there were a lot more vehicles on site too that it can handle so it's on all the way to the left on the third line of the big paragraph instead of does site it should just say Quincy Street a lot more vehicles on Quincy Street than it can handle and then the paragraph after that Brenda Hibbard say that there are various belongings on the property such as motorcycles batteries all drones and snowblowers is that supposed to be on the property line but they take up the parking spots oh so then maybe we should say there are various belongings on the parking lot on the site's parking lot such as motorcycles but you can have that stuff on the property there's no reason you can't have it on the property well I think it's her comment I think that's what she said I mean so even if we're tripping something to someone who speaks up immediately it's got to be what she said so that's what she said because I think she was concerned about the oil cans frankly the oil drums she was I think it was a safety concern about more than it was the batteries on the oil drums ok then the first paragraph on the flip side the second line we're not treating the whole window just the top I would say just the top with a one way window film graphic full stop instead of having two sentences there I think that would be clear being used in strike is with a one is being used would be strike and just to add in between the two sentences with a one way film graphic you could say one way wonderful graphic that was the sign right that's it that's it yeah Carol the only you've got the approval of the actual votes in both the paragraphs 1, 2, 3, 4 in the fifth and now seventh because Mr. Bernal arrived in between the two votes but I just want to make sure I wasn't sure whether you put down that both were approved because the second votes as Mr. Bernal was approved oh yes I got that and you got the one above it motion was seconded okay great thanks that's all I just wasn't sure whether both paragraphs are changed that's all I have okay motion to approve the minutes second second all in favor great thank you before the last item I did want to mention that Carol I slipped up Carol had Carol by the way did you have the last week yes Carol was on vacation last week and I was back and forth with Amy because I had forgotten that Carol had provided us with the sign administration recommendations like the ability for staff to start doing some of the signs when they're the same size you know and fit with what's happened so I took it off the agenda I shouldn't have because I was thinking that we hadn't received anything because I had forgotten that we had gotten something last month so Carol's going to resend that at some point get that on to the next meeting's agenda so that we can talk about it there's been a couple that have come up for example we have the Meat House which has changed signs all the exact same even colors and everything else but the same size and so we can't on that administratively but you know we want to get some rules in place for that but you know people are doing the exact same size exact same colors, exact same technology it really doesn't make sense for staff not to be able to just approve that given the timing of hearings and work so that should be coming so I wanted to say that next is so as far as meetings are concerned I think let's see if something comes up in August right now what are we scheduled for in August we don't have a meeting scheduled in August so we don't have a meeting scheduled in August I wouldn't expect to have to have a meeting in August so the next one will be September 8th so I think that'll be the next one that happens which brings me to the last point on the agenda which is a chair and vice chair discussion so I think it's time we're going to have a discussion? exactly we're going to discuss a new chair and vice chair and I guess the question is timing on that and what makes sense if we're going to have a discussion around and everything else I think now it makes sense myself although I have a few more things I want to sign so it might be as of tomorrow if you wanted to do it then if it makes more sense to pick it up on September 1st I can take the kind of plain duck August session and we can kind of do it as of September 1st I think I'll find with that if you'd rather start cleaning in September I don't care so I'll leave it to the board making the last chair the vice chair I thought it was the upcoming chair so then how did I become the vice chair? then how did I become the vice chair? oh you're right because you were vice chair for Bruce I'm up for anything but the only reason is it gives the chair experienced like you've had with Bruce as long as this isn't a back door way then we'll put a vice chair we'll take these rules in back desk time that's the vice chair that's a corollary to the rule that's a corollary to the rule every other time it's a codicell I don't mind the other way too I think each way is fine I've been fortunate to have the former chair be more than happy to help me in all of my endeavors as chairman which has been great and I've leaned on him and every other board member during this whole time and I could certainly be available like that regardless of whether I'm vice chair or a board member I'm certainly happy whether you want that or not I didn't bother at all exactly unless it would be clear maybe it makes sense the way you said it it kind of personally I think you can get ready for it all that kind of good stuff I think that makes sense I can start in the spring and say soon just to increase your anxiety as the year goes on so do we do we nominate or do we I think nominate and then and then I move to nominate Christine Skocinski and I move to nominate Bruce I move to nominate Christine Skocinski as chairman as of you want to do tomorrow is that okay? unless there's some issues there's nothing there's nothing on Carol we always get to grab the power when it's available as of July 22nd and in addition to nominate Andrew Vernell as vice chairman as of July 22nd I'll second that all in favor bye congratulations congratulations I have to gavel up I have to gavel down I just think that on behalf of the members of the board Mike we want to thank you for taking this through the last couple of years you did a fantastic job it was a long one a little bit more than one in a bit one plus years you did a fantastic job thank you very much I also agree with you Bruce there are times when I would not have wanted to be in your shoes and when I think that I know you're doing a great job because handling the public handling the internal machinations of Arlington and that's the right word just really navigating through some very tough not only politically but also just kind of technically bringing together all of the things we needed to get our land agreement done that was a great process I know the credit goes to both of you but I was really impressed by the way you took over and handled some of these issues so you set the bar pretty high thank you very much I mean it's corny and everything else but first off staff is great it's great to have such a tremendous backbone but I absolutely feel fortunate and I'm very happy whether as chairman or a member of having such collegial and really good people to work with on this board so thank you and I mean I'm just happy to continue to work with all of you so it's great so thank you and Christine you are going to do great we're those Clifnets yep they'll happen it's more called than Clifnets not exactly yeah the bio you won't be able to figure that out that's for sure but thank you very much I really appreciate it and I appreciate all the support thank you I had asked Michael a while back he would continue to try to focus or kind of specialize on the properties with going forward and he said he was willing to do that and I think that that might be something that I would kind of impart on you which we've talked about a little bit before and that I think that it's a good idea and I'm not sure I know for a couple of years you were doing all of the LDA you were doing everything and it's a lot to be a chair of this particular board don't don't be shy about reaching out for help and everything else and taking it all on yourself feel free I mean I'm happy to help with a delegate and I'm happy to help all the properties if that's what you want to continue to do it makes a ton of sense which is how I frankly use Bruce any time there was an LDA issue it was like because you knew it backwards and forward so it's what you get by doing the chair role is some type of maybe a small bit of expertise at least how things work a little bit so I would definitely suggest you do that I will take that suggestion I like that suggestion but thank you all I appreciate it and two adjourns so moved all in favor all right