 Let me see. Sorry. No recording. Okay. It's June 16th and I'm calling the meeting to order. And I will first make sure everyone can hear and be heard Jonathan. Good morning. Morning, Sean here. Paul doesn't him on. Yes. Ben. And I saw Alicia Alicia is Alicia still here. Yeah. Okay. Did everyone hear her say yes. Are you here. Can you hear us Alicia. He said yes. Then I'm calling the meeting to order and I will stop trying to manage this by my iPad and turn it over to Margaret and the disco team. Okay, so I'm going to quickly pull up the agenda and we'll just walk through it. The, we're, I think most of you know, because you've been in some of the other meetings that we've had very intense period of light may and June, as the disco team has worked with the district to get in a lot of meetings before school ends this week so thanks to Dinesco for sort of pushing forward about that was a lot and it's a crazy time. So most of the meeting today is going to be devoted to providing updates from those meetings so that the entire committee. Here's what was discussed and decided. I want to say something this is the agenda for the site committee now for the full committee. Because we're going to be doing building as well and I think that put invoices and not already. You are correct Kathy I apologize let me just see. And we don't have any invoices to approve to have any invoices so. Yeah, let me so let me not delay this so. Yeah, so we're going to do this goes going to summarize the information that they have collected. We're going to talk about the schedule for the next couple of months, and then take public comment. So, that is the agenda. And Kathy Rupert's arrived so you might want to check and see if you can hear and be heard. How are you doing. Can you hear us and we hear you. Hello. Hello. I heard a noise so that means that you got. Okay, we are here. So I just should tell everyone who's not on the subcommittees that we have been posting subcommittee materials. And sometimes it's posting the materials as of just before the subcommittee and then things during the subcommittee. And today, Tim has some slides these will all be posted so in case you don't want to go watch subcommittee videos all the materials should be up to best I can keep up with it. Yeah, and I will say we, we are in the process answers in the process of getting caught up on meeting minutes as well so the minutes will just provide in addition to what Tim's presentations, you'll be able to see the discussion. Hey Tim, you're Tim Donna, whichever. Great, thank you. I am able to share. So, as we've been saying we're going to go through what we have been presenting in the subcommittee meetings with, you know, it's a selection so not everything is there. But, as Kathy said, it has all been posted. So first, starting with the site. In the subcommittee meetings over the past month we've had input on almost everything, including additional meetings with different groups, including people use the athletic fields outdoor learning space and with all of those conversations. I don't want to say everything but a lot of the elements of the site are moving around or being adjusted a little bit. Starting with the main entrance which we expanded at the very beginning of DD to give a more pedestrian and bicycle friendly feel to the front entrance and to move the cars away a little bit. We've had a robust discussion about how the playground should work and be configured in both the subcommittee meeting and in separate meetings with Tammy and the school administrators. The results of that is that the play area between the two playgrounds. And the playgrounds to the right and left are going to be consolidated into one solid port in place play surface area that contains both areas to play and structures, including swings and that fences will not be included. So this will one participant or have a more inclusive field for the playground, it will facilitate monitoring and management of students during recess. And it will just be a more concise site design and the next time we have a subcommittee meeting and when we're out, we'll have that to share. We are currently in the process of redesigning that space. We also have another element that came up talking to administrators and people use we're just going to turn the courts on the half court area so that they face each other so a replication of full court basketball could happen at recess with kids and then the full courts to the east of the building are going to move parallel to each other. We also had a discussion with Jen Reese, talking about outdoor learning and confirming that we have all the elements that will be used in the program and address the curriculum that is taught at the school. We confirmed the number of planter beds and not the size of the outdoor learning space we did have an interesting discussion about the cultivator garden pollinator garden and the cultivation beds being a little too close to the outdoor classroom because it's possible that there would be a class of each of those and we didn't want any distractions, if you will, between the two spaces so we're currently looking at ways to adjust the location of the covered outdoor classroom, maybe to the forest floor garden just so that there's a little more space of two classrooms can be outside and not be distracted by each other one time and potentially not be distracted by another class that's at recess. And then we also had meetings and discussion in the subcommittee about the athletic fields, the configuration and the amenities that will be provided as part of the project. We have follow up meetings scheduled with Guilford DPW about the exact requirements for the comfort station access to the site via curb cut and how we provide areas for storage for the people that will be using the athletic field so there will be some minor tweaks to the site plan and some additions as we get into that. And then, as we, you know, discuss state later in the presentation, when we come out early in July for a subcommittee meeting will have the site plan revised and laid out on the existing site plan so when we walk the site we can really get a sense of how large the site elements are where they are located, where everything is located in relation to the existing building and just, you know, get a very real sense of where things are and how they are laid out. I don't know if you want to have any questions or discussion of the site part or we could just move right into the building as one sort of presentation and recap. Just as anyone who hasn't been through these who wants to ask questions or re ask would do it Tim unless you want to wait till the end it's up to you. No preference, any questions now would be fine. So, raise hands and show me see them that they go up. I'm not. And Tammy I see Tammy has joined us to Tammy. Welcome. Thank you for taking time. Can you just let us know you can hear us. Okay. Well, I see that she's here and her mic is off right now but so if there are any. I can hear you sorry. Oh that's perfect. That's good I just want to make sure you were here and did you get to hear the quick summary that Tim just ran through on the site. Yeah, great. Okay. Can I just raise one question so, partly on Alicia's behalf. So, you know, Alicia had brought up this question about fencing the playground area or, or not fencing the playground area. I just would like to revisit it and I'm not sure she she's easily able to turn her mic on and off I know it was discussed but didn't go can you give us a summary of where that stands at this point. The issue was, we have, we had a fence around the playground area. And we had some discussion with staff. I think Alicia was interested in eliminating it if possible so I think we should close on that. As it stands now the fence around the playground is not included with the consolidation of the playground areas and that's going to allow it to move it a little bit further away from the parking and the drop off lane. So I just decided with Tammy and Allison that that fence is no longer necessary. You know, part of that was to manage kids but they're going to be in a closer area and then, you know, part of it was to keep kids from eloping but kids, you know, per discussion with Tammy and they don't tend to elope when they're distracted and having fun at recess. It's when they're doing something they don't want to do so. There are still fences and other parts of the playground, particularly at the basketball courts to prevent balls from going into the stormwater management area and things like that but around the playground itself at the front of the building, there are currently no fences. Great. Thank you. Alicia how you're able to hear that. Yes, I have two questions. Can I ask? Absolutely. Two questions. Can you remind me what material the nature trail will be? Is that a hard like a pavement type material or is it? Right. It's a stone dust so it will inhibit growth but it doesn't need to be. It's not hard, but it is accessible. Okay. And then this was something Dave Zomek had mentioned. I'm not sure if you guys had settled on a solution. He was concerned about the ability for somebody from the parking lot to potentially drive right on to the fields. And was curious about a barrier or some sort that might prevent vehicles from doing that, especially once the fields are, you know, all redone. Was that discussed? Yeah, but it was discussed and given the size of the site, something that would be effective in stopping vehicles that were determined to get on the field is just not practical. And then there's also the consideration that DPW needs to get on the field to bring their mowers and stuff like that. It was discussed, but, you know, a foolproof way to keep someone intent on doing damage to the fields with a vehicle is probably not within the scope of the project. Okay. The Rupert's hand is up, Rupert. Thank you. Yeah, just regarding that, I know we're going to have a curb cut for field access at the top of the map there. So, thinking about sensitivity to the folks that get exuberant with their vehicles, we recently had an incident middle school with donuts ruining the baseball field. And I'm wondering whether it would make sense to think about bollards that could be lockable to give DPW access to this for other folks somewhere at that curb cut. Is that something we could think about? It's certainly something we could think about and discuss the, and we do have bollards for safety in specific areas to protect the building. But the issue remains that, you know, to completely protect the site, you know, the area inside the trees is approaching 20 acres and a car if they wanted to get on the field could go around. But it's certainly we can discuss, you know, what the appropriate extent would be to be enough of a nuisance that it would prevent that. Thank you. Jonathan. Just another follow up question on that. You know, the athletic fields are in some ways outside the scope of our project, but, and this wouldn't be a deterrent, but perhaps there'd be a way to have at least cameras to monitor what happens out there so that if someone does do something, at least you could track them down. I mean, there are currently cameras covering the site in the scope of the building. I mean there's long discussion about how many cameras are appropriate in the building but the site and the immediate surroundings of the school are currently covered. And there was also discussion at the last meeting about in addition to the curb cut possibly providing some areas if trucks are going to be pulling up that will service the fields or food trucks or whatever sort of events are there's an area that's a bit more resistant. Be it grass pave or something but all of that would have to be decided where it's most appropriate because it does come with the cost and you know these are the sort of tweaks that we're going to get into as we move through DD. Tim, one other quick question, will there be any elevation change from the parking lot to the fields or is it is the parking lot coming up as well. The field will be a little bit higher in the range of a foot or two feet but it's a very gentle. Okay, it will look like a, it will yell or it will not feel like a hill or a step or require a ramp or anything like that. Yeah, I know where Mill River recreation area is different than what we're looking at here is this a big wide open area, but the barrier to getting on the field there is just a few discontinuous curves. They're not, you know, they're not, if you wanted to, you could probably get over them and delivery trucks, but I've actually never seen anyone try to go over them. I just am conscious that I have to step over them or step through them. They're not continuous Tim, but if we can maybe revisit this later just on what amount of at least psychological. I don't really mind if this is not for driving. Yeah, I mean a deterrent. It doesn't have to be absolute for it to be effective so certainly a discussion that we can continue to have. Any other questions on this. One of the, you might want to re-raise the issue you raised during the site meeting just about the old weatherness of the important place. Just, just so everyone is aware of it. Yeah, thank you, Kathy. We've been talking about, you know, a 12 month. It's a big area. So kids can go out and play all year round. And I want to sort of reset expectations. Those play surfaces are not think that we could plow or snow blow snow melting chemicals are not compatible with them. I don't really think we're going to be able to have 185 days school year with that playground accessible every single day. There will be times when it rains in terms of ice and take time to melt. The landscape architect is assured us that the surface does melt faster than surrounding areas. I just want to make sure that folks understand it's not going to be snow and ice free all winter long. Nor are any of our playgrounds at any of our other schools. Did you want me to also, Kathy, talk about the concerns about the amount of black top in the parking lot. It came up with questions whether it's too much or not, you know, in terms of the lanes. Sure. So there were some public comments and suggestions to be able to cut down on the black off surface area in a couple of areas. One is after the drop off narrowing the main road. One is narrowing section of the exit road and one is changing the parking spaces to be slanted instead of at right angles. And all of those things would reduce the black top. I have concerns in all three areas strongly opposed to narrowing the the main driveway after the first drop off for a couple of reasons. One is in practical in my experience, parents will not let themselves to a small drop off area or pick up area. They will stop wherever they want, no matter how hard we try. And so the more space we have for them and the safer that landing space for them to pull over the sacred will be for everyone. The other reason is that I expect there will be pickups and drop offs for people using the field. So if you narrow the road at the upper end that would also create a bottleneck. So I'm pretty strongly opposed to that also narrowing the exit road for a section. I think is a really bad idea. As a student picked up in the afternoon. We're going to have a lot of cars trying to get out on the southeast we know it's problematic. And the more space we give folks to get into the right train lane and the left lane lane on that exit. The better off we're all going to do. And just on the third point the narrowing the roadway for the parking spaces. In my experience. I see this fairly often folks will try to get a parking spot closest to where they want to be. And then they will simply back up to claim an earlier spot that they had passed over the first time. And the narrowing that road is the more likely to have an accident to so I'm pretty skeptical about that one but not as strongly as the first two. Thank you. I don't see any other to hands Tim and others could help me keep a look at this but we can move on. Sure. We'll move into the discussion of the building that we've been having. With the building design subcommittee we've been sort of working around the building looking at different elements the entrance the gym the music room the drop off area to the south and and trying to develop the language and and the design that is consistent throughout the building and discusses the various elements of how it works. Here we're looking at a couple of options for how the music room is articulated, including the roof plane and other item shown in this particular pair of images is we've also been considering where art that is part of the building could potentially be placed the image on the left shows it at the music room so it's down at the level so it could be interacted with with the kids and the users of the building at the right there's a place for art on the media center but it's at the second floor, it would be visible from the entire site to the north. So, you know, depending on what the art ends up being, you know, either one of those locations may be a bit more appropriate and we're just talking about how we can work elements like that into the overall design. And here's another couple of views of those images, and you can see one is how they work with the building viewed as a whole from the north both are sort of taken from the parking lot as you approach. And then I should note with the redesign of the playgrounds, what you see in the foreground here is probably going to be moved to the left and out of the way of the building and then anyone using the fields will also be getting a similar view so that's something for us to consider as we're working through the building. You know, other elements that we're looking at is how fenestration the glass works with the building and you know what the breakup of materials is here we have on the right. There's one large collected area of glass that brings glass all the way to the floor, which, and then on the left it's higher glass that it, you know, goes around more of the wall in the north of the building. They both have different functional aspects in the image on the right, you know kids can come all the way up to the outside but that might be even distracting. So moving around to the other elements of the building we're looking at the gym on the right is the gym, pretty close to how it was at SD, and then on the left are some modifications that introduce some of the language that we're using elsewhere in the building sort of roof edge or folded plane that comes down to the ground on the right. Sort of different distribution of glass and a solid masonry material and an accent. So it just sort brings a more cohesive design language throughout the building and allowing us to define certain spaces and elements in the building. And then we're also having discussions about what the particular materials are whether it's all masonry a different color masonry. This is rendered as a single skin metal panel which is a metal panel at the very inexpensive end of the spectrum but all of these materials that we're rendering could be both masonry and metal. It's a discussion of how these materials look how durable they are. Some materials turn corners and are on vertical and horizontal surfaces better than others so as we work through all of those. We're going to arrive at decisions for these elements. And then when we're on site in early July we'll have a sample so that we can look at see the actual materials in the sunlight touch and feel them see how they go together. There are also discussions about the front entrance and possibly taking some of the moves that we have been using to mark the entrance and expanding them so that they're a bit more legible. Here you see we use the color that we presented at the canopy over the front door and expanded it to the roof edge over the administration area just sort of amplifying that effect as you approach the building from the west. But as you go through those studies you realize that you then have to think about what the materials of the administration walls are. Do they want to match the entrance or door do they want to have some sort of contrast with the music room. And then we're just putting lots of options and discussing the merits of each with the subcommittee. Here again we are back to music room with two slightly different versions of the art high on the media room and variations on the roof edge and what solid and what is void, like various elements of the elevations. And then again, viewed from the north. I'm sorry, I thought someone was jumping in with a question. Is that Rupert. Yeah, that's a question back up one page. Sure. So, in the right hand picture. This is a view that I have both pictures. This is a view I hadn't seen before the, the folded plane for the canopy. Looks like there's a lot of visibility here. Are some of the discussions having that vertical in the front canopy stick out farther, or was I just imagining that the canopy at the music room or at the front door we have had just yet we have had discussions about that how it turns the ground a lot of aspects of it One, how much canopy you're supporting in terms of how much cover you provide for the students to it is a wall coming down to the ground so if you're at the front door or in the administration window. There's a small portion of your view that's blocked. And then three from a strictly architectural point of view what that material is. As rendered here those canopies are sort of a seat, a simple clean line all one material one thing that comes down. If that's made of different building materials be a masonry or plus a metal panel on the horizontal surfaces. The colors won't match exactly the texture will be different so these elements that we are sort of carrying around the building, both the canopy and the definition of the music room and the gym and the library. That's going to require a lot of study and thought and hopefully a lot of progress when we have materials and in person in July to decide what those are made of and how big they are. Not sure if that answers your question but Thank you. So I have my hand up I'm just trying to figure out if anyone else has it because I made this comment on the thing. I like much better. The one that's on my left right now which has the windows going across the top of the music room. It brings light in from high, and it has the windows coming around the side to the West. I like that way of doing this. So I just wanted to register and I think it brings light in a different way and you don't have to bring. You may not even have to bring the windows quite as far down is there coming where they come down to the ground. But, you know, take into account what size the kids are. I just wanted Tim so I just, I'm just registering we talked a little bit about the benefits of the way the light comes in. And then if you could click back this has what you call the single something metal, the single. So, so where we show gray in these two images it's it's rendered with a sort of striation coordination, which would indicate that it's a single skin metal panel, which is in terms of metal panel facade materials the most cost effective. And it, it, if we as we look at the design we want more color in those areas or a different sheen, but that's not to be said that all of this, if we like the organization of the windows the organization of solid and void. This could all be masonry to and there are masonry products, including the ones that we're using elsewhere in the building that give similar contrast that can be light that have a nice texture. It's, it's, you know, we just want to make sure that, you know, to the extent possible all of the options that are on the table are still on the table until we come to a decision. But you. There are questions about. Keep going sir. Yeah, sure. I wanted to go back one suggest I want people to be able to see because we've seen these before. So that had a gray metal. It also has this potential choice of the heart up on the library. And the question that would we raise the building is that that's harder to get to so it becomes more permanent, just to be thinking about whatever it is. We have to make, we don't have to make these decisions now but we do have to make decisions at some point with exterior art. And I think Donna said sort of by November December but I just wanted you to go back to, because I think you can see the window configuration music room to the music. The music room. Yeah, this one would chose the music room with mural on it and has white above it rather than the gray. Oh, I think you want this one. Yeah. Okay, so just so people, it's hard to flip back and forth but we got to see these before this one. And the, I'll call it gray grayish metal up above the window, it's whitish or whiter, and it puts a piece of art to the left of the music room as you're looking at it. And there's nothing up on the library. I just wanted to point out that there are those. You have three variations going on here with a, you know, the window composition. I love the window and where the artist and we've got pictures representing all of them. So it was mainly because I've seen them a few times and actually this one is nice because you can see the art removed and put up on the cafeteria. I mean on the library. I didn't finish but I just, I had a strong reaction and then we've got another choice of whether this roof, this overhang just out for wraps around. So that's the other variation going on with the music room, right. Yeah, the top panel. Okay, I'm done. So we have not brought all of the options that were presented at the design subcommittee. Just to be clear here, you know, you know, any design process includes options that should not be advanced and that's part of the process to eliminate those. You know what we're sharing here today is stuff that we've had good feedback on or relatively good feedback and things that we can advance and work with as we move towards a final design. Those are the images that we've brought as a representation of the exterior design progress. The classroom wing itself, we feel that we're in a pretty good place with so that the design has not moved that much in the past month obviously it will as we go through GT and, and, you know, work on window details how the different materials come together, you know how we resolve these folding planes that we are including throughout the design. But this is an image of where we are where we are now. And if there are any more questions on the exterior. If not, we were going to move into a discussion of next steps. I just have one follow up and I'm trying to make sure I can see if anyone else. So with these choices, and if you do come out and meet with us. When do you want, there are 12 of us, if we were all voting, when do you need a decision on some of these design details, you know, and how do you propose it like we can all carry these pictures with us we can produce them as a color pack. In town it's pretty we've got a good color printer, and we can come with our ideas I just don't know what process you would want us to go with. If we don't all agree instantly on option QX Y or Z. Well, if you all agreed instantly on any option I, well, I'd start playing lotto but I don't know. I feel that when we are out there, early in July or the second week in July. Our aim is to come close to a consensus on call it the design as a whole I'm sure there will be details that are on resolved but you know what the base materials are we think we feel pretty good about the dark iron spot Rick. There's a secondary material that's a lighter masonry, and whether that lighter masonry is what we've been showing alternately as masonry or single skin panel at the music room, the gym administration, you know decisions like that. Backing up just a little bit. You know, we, we, there are details that are not going to be 100% resolved at the end of dd at the big the big moves are all going to be made. And I'm trying hard to articulate, you know what has to be done, and what doesn't have to be done by the end of dd. To be honest with every project it's always a little bit different what is done and what isn't but but the big moves to look and feel of the building what is solid what is void, how the canopies are detailed, you know where the glass is what size it is that that that should be in place and we should be close to a consensus on that in July for going to document it. There's a lot of colors though. We can have preference and we can move in a direction that being said colors can change, you know, well into CDs or to the end of CDs. I think I can't give a 100% satisfactory answer to the question but that's, you know, what I have. Jonathan was hoping you would chime in and help me out here. Sure. I think what you want to do is, is ask the design team to synthesize as best they can all the comments that they've heard in various, you know, forums and subcommittee meetings to a reduced set of options. Maybe a one and a two, an A and a B and X and a Y whatever it is. You know, either in that meeting in July where they're out on site we're shortly thereafter that kind of sets the kind of sets the stage for for wrapping the design up for DD. And as, as, you know, Tim has said colors can change but I think we want to come to some level of consensus and we're a committee and so it's impossible to get, you know, unanimity on every last piece but but that's why we have a design team to kind of guide us towards a, you know, a beautiful looking consensus. Yeah, I entirely expected something like we'll come in January with building a and building be and the committee will say something like we like building a but we really like the music room from building be. And then, you know, throughout DD we will be melding those and showing them to you for updates, or some some version of a process like that. So, so one suggestion I might make and I'm waiting for others is on the set we just saw which is a reduced set from what we saw before. If you send us this set of those pictures with ABC, you know, like three or four of them will music room variations and a couple of them were front and gym and variations. And if we had those in our hands on paper we can, we can create a set of this color charts we did this, the school. And then we can, we'll talk about dates in that week of July 10. We could potentially be looking at materials and saying now that I see this I like this but actually I like it with all brick and I don't want any of the metal. So we could be reacting so that might be one way of just because you've got to, they're not quite PowerPoint where they come to me so I can't simply label them but if you could just do the ABC, you know, some a's and the B's. Sure, we can do that the subcommittee meeting. Two things yes I can do that I can also send them to you in PowerPoint, but I will also make sure that they're labeled when they are sent to you in a way that you can decide. But I see who pretend is up I'm just thinking what I agree with Jonathan getting down to two choices where we're maybe making a material choice but the two choices are the design choice, and then we make a material mover. That's kind of a process question for you Kathy, I'm wondering, you know, if we need to make time in the full committee meeting to say, I like this window but that color or whether we can do some kind of written response or suggestions. What's what's most appropriate. It's fine with me, I think we're coming. I forget whether there's an invoice or not. If this, Tim, is this kind of be no advice is part of no invoices but is this the end of the presentation, we've got time if people want to give this is the end of the presentation. Okay, and what I want to do is 10 cent possible dates that we he is coming out on the week of the 10th. And that preferred dates would be Wednesday the 10th, or Wednesday, when Monday, Monday the 10th of July, or Wednesday the 12th of July where their preferred dates, and then there was a maybe on July 14, and what this would be, would be two different. One would be focused on the building, one would be focused on the site, the actual walk walk, and it would also give the design team time to see the parks and the playgrounds, we have like Kendrick Park and Brock Park. And then there was, there's a park layout of over Belcher town that was suggested as things to be looking at. So I don't know whether the other thing, I just want to see if I can do a poll on July 10 versus the 12 Monday, these would be fairly interesting things, and people could come to part of them, rather than all of them, we figure out whether it's building in the morning, and they'd be, they'll be open to the public, and we'll try to find space, but I don't know. I don't want to take a lot of meeting time on voting on dates, and we can do that after now, unless people have a strong feeling now of the 10th versus the 12th. And that's, I'm going to stop talking to see hands on. So I'm completely willing to do what Rupert said, get some feedback now on if you want, tend to put the pictures back up to get some feedback on the dates, or what's the most productive use of the time that we have everyone together. Anyone can wait in. Maybe, while you consider that I'm just going to run through the rest of the information on this slide. The first couple lines are talking about that week in July, and then a follow up school building committee meeting that week, which is already on the calendar. Then as you go beyond that, we are sending the cost estimate, the drawings to the cost estimator for DD on September 1. So that in terms of drawing is the end of DD. It takes three weeks to estimate another week or so to reconcile that puts our submission to the MSBA for DD call it the first week of October at the very beginning of October. And so, we don't need to schedule it now but at the end of September, we're going to want a school building committee. The DD submission does not require a vote like the earlier submissions to but just wanted to, you know, be aware. And then the DD package will be the basis of submissions to agencies in town conservation commission, obviously planning board. So at that point we'll be ready to submit to various agencies for approval within town and then there are others. We'll also have discussions with the building commissioner we accessibility review so at that point the design will be developed enough that we should be able to begin the approval process with everyone involved. So, just wanted to lay that out. So other than you're coming out for the focus in person. There's not also subcommittee so there's one meeting in July one meeting at August, is it my reading that correctly. We do not have any shown on this schedule but I do think that at the very least we are going to want a couple building design subcommittees just to review and bounce things off just so that when we do. So the meeting in July is called a month from now almost exactly a month from now I, I think we are going to request a design subcommittee meeting probably just to make sure that we are moving in the right direction in a couple weeks. Not next week we certainly need some time to draw on to absorb. But we also, you know, want to see how much progress we're making to see if it's worth the time of getting, but I building subcommittee for design is probably worth it in late June, Jonathan. I would also suggest that at some point when appropriately probably should have a net zero energy sustainability, some committee meeting. Um, you know, I think everyone's, you know, there were some some unresolved things about what the final impact of the new code was going to be that that probably should get reviewed. Absolutely and I'll end Jordan Thomas said he are actually tell me that they are on the on the verge of having some clarity there so as soon as we get that you will be able to reschedule and me or schedule that meeting. And this is sort of unrelated but it's sort of related to what Jonathan just mentioned. The IRS finally came out with some guidance on how this new tax credit payment program might work where they will give us a rebate essentially for some of the energy efficiency upgrades we're doing. And so, just so I don't forget I want to put a plug in that we should. Think about how we isolate those costs at some point or make sure we can get invoices separately for, for the energy efficiency components that might be eligible for those credits. Because the big things we're thinking about are solar and geothermal but there might be a bunch of little things that you guys are doing in the building that might be eligible as well so just so I don't forget and it's recorded. And Sean you should send them that link to the thing that's in it Tim is to the extent we're purchasing things that have materials made in the United States or assembled in the United States. The amount of the rebate goes up. I have no idea what control we have over those as you do with contractors but it's not up by a little it's up by a fairly big amount when you look at the guidelines the way they put them together. Interesting. I want to just add one item to this discussion, just to keep everybody in the loop so it has to do with the MSBA is commissioning agent program. As I may have mentioned in earlier meetings the MSBA provides what's called a commissioning agent to the to each project that there's no cost to the district or the municipality for it. They're, you know they're often assigned a little bit randomly in this case, the firm that's been assigned the two leads on the project are actually in Springfield, which is, you know, pretty close. It's a firm called Vans Elm Haywood that I haven't worked with before but I did meet with the two gentlemen, and the MSB they have executed their contract with the MSBA. So, just to let everybody know that there will be sort of another party coming into this discussion although you won't see them very much in the committee. You may see them referred to in meetings going forward particularly in the sustainability subcommittee. Any questions or opinions so Rupert asked whether we'd like people to weigh in now on some of the choices, and then we have a July 10 and 12 Monday and Wednesday. Team comes to Amherst we find a room that we can be meeting in but also we're going to be meeting on site at Port Rivers we can actually walk the Port River site. So I'm, I'm open to any suggestions. Yeah I suggest that we use our subcommittee structure and continue with that process for the next iteration and then I like the idea of having choices like choose this or that for the larger committee. That's my opinion. I wouldn't second that approach. Well, were you on the subcommittee for the design, but what about the dates that are coming on July 10 or 12. Do you want me to just do a poll of everyone to see what day works the best. Yeah, I think it. I think I think you just work with Angela put out a doodle poll and do the best you can. It's a tough time of year to schedule meetings we're not nobody's going to be we're not going to get everybody but do the best. And there's some people who are we there are some people aren't here we want to make sure they weigh in as well. Okay, perfect. We'll do that for both. And this set of slides with the ABCs or whatever label will be in everybody's hands so they can be thinking about them. So, you know, the major call said that it's the 14 the as the full committee meeting is when they'd like us to have made decisions so to the extent we can. If you're in some committee or not if you end up wanting to say something or some people should just be prepared to with that meeting they don't have to come to all the meetings. So I hearing that strong suggestion unless I see any don't want to do it that way we will do a doodle poll on the site team coming to town. And once we get a date we'll find the best place. You know it might be tell me we can talk to you about since the Fort River School won't be in full session whether there's a good place to meet to have all the physical meetings be there like we bring the bricks and the stuff to look at there but we can figure out that once we get to that day. And we can set it up and just so everyone knows we can set it up the same way we did the last couple of meetings to the extent you're not officially on a subcommittee you can come so pp came to came to both. Because she wanted to see what was going on with the building so it's not. Fortunately, I must say it was who we kept him to five, because four was a quarter and a couple turns we were in danger of not meeting so small numbers helps to organize meetings but also get opinions. So I think there isn't anything else, unless someone raises their hand. Jonathan's hand is up or is that from the board. You know, just a very, very subtle variation on what you've just suggested which is that there have been several subcommittee meetings. We've given Dennis go a bunch of commentary and input, what they're going to I'm sure going to bring to the July meeting are variations and consolidations and improvements to what they've been presenting so far. So it's not necessarily that we're labeling ABCD items we've seen what we would like Dennis go to do is have something that's available a couple days ahead of time that that distills the things that we've seen to dates. Down to their, you know, suggested things that were were kind of commenting on. That makes sense. That makes total sense because I wanted to redraw a couple of these so absolutely. It was comments it was comments we gave the other day as well. Alicia, you're, I think you're unmuted but if you're talking we're not hearing you. She sometimes has to log back in. Okay, I'm waiting. She's now she's here. So she is here. You hear us okay. And I'm calling on you. I see your hand is up. Can you hear me. Yes. Okay, sorry, sometimes my mic disconnects. I may have missed this earlier but I just wanted to confirm whether or not the rectangular play area had been dropped off of the site design plan. Well, it, the playground to the east and west of it have been consolidated and so there will be one play area with equipment and some extra area for kids to play outside of the safety zone of the equipment. But the rectangular play area as it exists on plans that you've seen is no longer part of the design going forward. So if you could, if you weren't necessarily able to hear that they put up the previous plan and then Tim described how that's going to change but they haven't made the change to the plan yet he described it and it will be in the notes if you want to read up on what he said. Awesome. Thank you. Yes, I did hear about the decision to remove the fencing and I am very excited about that. So thank you for taking that into consideration. Absolutely. So, and what Tim just said he made it a little. Well we've said I've just heard more than once that the player is by consolidating them. They're going to be bigger than they were when we saw them as separate because some of the port in place will be used to have some area to play that's not right under a swing set or right not right under a swing set so that we will have some room to move on it. So we haven't seen that yet either. What that looks like. And what's the name, the, the place that Tammy knows over in Belcher town on it's at Jessica's boundless. Do I do it. Jessica's boundless playground. Yeah. So it was held up as an example of multiple levels of the ages could play at the same place multiple levels of ability. So it's one I haven't had a chance to go out and look at but it's one I thought it wasn't like we would do exactly that but it's one that's now on the radar screen as a consolidated room. Any other hands questions. If not, I will open it up to the public for comments. And I'm showing you're going to have to help me because my, I see one hand is up. Yeah, Rudy is in the room. And now there's a slide. Can you all hear me. Hi, good morning. Rudy Perkins Amherst. I wanted to give my thanks to the design team which I should have at the meetings earlier this week about how many meetings they had with so many different constituencies. This is equine praise and comments that other people offered. I just wanted to second it. And that so many changes have been made in response to feedback from the different people. The Dennis code team has talked with that's really great. I still do have a couple of comments on the site aspect. I think that I couldn't tell from today's diagrams whether the softball backstop has been included now or not. That seems to me like a low cost feature that needs to be there for the softball function of those fields to be safely and fully used. And I think in the end the committee should make sure that that is included as part of the, the athletic fields. I've made a comment earlier about trying to get as much area as possible. I won't repeat that for the athletic fields. There was discussion at the athletic community. You know, team meeting with Dennis go that apparently DPW had requested a hydration station be folded into the plans for the athletic field area. And I heard mention of that I assume that's, that's being worked on or will be in the discussion with Guilford. And it seems to me it once you're running a water line to a hydration station you should be able to get a water line into the comfort station. So even if we go with a composting toilet, I think it will be much more functional and usable to the small kids that are using this to have a sink or sinks at the comfort station. So it encouraged, if we're doing the hydration line, let's make sure we can run sink lines for the comfort station. And thank you it seems like we're moving in the direction of including some, some kind of comfort station there in response to the feedback from the team teams which is very strong that they all listed that as their top priority. And the discussion the soccer and the ultimate people in terms of usability of the fields. So I appreciate that that we're starting to think more in that direction. In the front of in the pedestrian plaza. I noticed that you put a couple of tree planting circles sort of in the middle of the walks. And I just just at a glance, it looks like that's going to constrict emergency vehicle motion, especially any long fire trucks, and I'm sure you're going to look at that issue. But I wonder if maybe getting those planting areas on the side so that you got a straight shot through would be maybe something to look at. And thank you, thank you, thank you for including swings in the playground. I always had to fight with our people on my projects to include swings and always lost. And that was one of the best parts of every playground when I was a kid. I think they're really important, and I'm really happy here included. So, and I think I had one more thing I think that's it actually. Thanks so much. Thank you, Rudy. Bruce. Okay, I think you can hear me. Is that correct. I think I'm getting this down now at last. Absolutely do echo Rudy's comments I've said this in the subcommittees and so forth but I think it's important to keep it at the forefront. I continue to be impressed with the discipline deliberation of this process led by Dennis go and also supported and engaged by the committee so I, I, I'm, I applaud both of you, but both groups, and I think this is a really elegant and excellent example of a design process, a public sphere process, a municipal one these are always the most difficult and this is a so far after two years it's a it's a it's a five star example of how to do the job. So congratulations to you all. A couple of points just to that I've mentioned before I'll focus on building not so much on the site. And I'll be very brief because it's been said before but I wanted to the rest of the committee to hear. I think my preferences for the buildings. The options are, I think the high glazing in the music room is a better solution than bulking the build the glazing I think that high glazing is working harder and doing a better job. I think I can support something that Rupert said that I think that the glazing below 12 inches is not really working very hard and not hard enough and therefore shouldn't be there. The, the roof overhangs that the feature of these design developments and then and studies. Generally, I think the overhang is good it's protecting the walls is doing other things as well but so there's a there's a rationale for that as well as an aesthetic. And therefore is the, I like the way the accent color of the entry canopy has been echoed on the sloping roof of the media center I think that's a really nice little thing to do the in plan, the glazing, the canopy is as angled and in elevation the administration roof is angled and so in three dimensions I think that will be quite an interesting and juxtaposition as you as you move around in real real life so I, I think that's a really strong and thoughtful move. The way the gym elevation has been treated just generally that the difference between those two that was shown the new, the new, the current development I think in many, many ways is superior to the way it was before. The, the downturn of the, sorry, the, I like the mural location down low in the, if indeed as we've said in the subcommittee if that is to be the way the public budget is to be spent and could be spent in all sorts of other ways. And this is, I don't really have a logical or functional critique on this is just to get the personal feeling so it carries almost no weight I think, but I, I like the mural down low. I think it's looks rather stranded an arbitrary hanging off the side of the building up high just doesn't appeal to me, and, but it could appeal to others and I'm sure if the nisco were to do it through it would probably probably modify my opinion but just as it's presented at the moment it doesn't look promising to me up there. The, those are all the positives except for the latter the positive is that I prefer the mural down low if it's going to be a mural. The single thing that I would say that I don't like, and it doesn't seem so it, I could be made to make it look good is the downturn of the roof on the north side of the on the south side of the administration I just don't think that looks promising. And I one comment that I made earlier but I'll repeat in relation to something that Rupert I think said about the concern that the canopy will shade or shadow or darken the two windows to the administrative area that are under that canopy. I asked whether explanation could be given to putting a couple of openings in that canopy just clear wide openings above the windows so that light would come down into those windows the whole of the architecture of the canopy and it's functional of sheltering and so forth would be remain intact, but a good deal more natural light would get down into the administration area I think if that were done. Finally, in herring Margaret Van Selm as the commissioning agent the appointment of, I am very familiar with Van Selm they're a very good organization. We've worked with one of our favorite consultants for many years. And if you're lucky enough to get Dave Madigan, you would be very well served. And he's a principal so I'm not sure that he's the candidate but but it's a good firm. A long reputation and so I think that feels good to me. Not the two gentlemen, the two gentlemen who were named are Bill Donald and Jim McCarthy and I met with them a week or so ago and they seem they have experience including in hammers. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Bruce. I think that's it for today. Unless anyone has any further issues or questions and if something occurs to after the meeting just send it to me I'm pretty good at forwarding him, by the way, as long as I know I have them. And I'm not seeing any hands up. I want to thank everybody and I can say that the meeting is adjourned at Margaret tell me what time it is. It's 943 Kathy. So I'm adjourning it at 343 I'm adjourning it at 43. And Kathy can you look at your email I just emailed you something. I will do it. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks everybody. It's adjourned.