 It's time for Matt Geekab and listener JG brings us our quick tip of the week He says you know how in messages you can long press on an individual message and then you choose reply or a Reaction or whatever you want, you know, and then it jumps down into that reply mode Well, if you just need to reply you can tug on an individual message From the left to the right and you just have to tug ever so slightly and then let go and your phone Will be in reply mode to that message the whole threaded reply thing Try it out It's kind of like how you tug in the opposite direction to see the timestamps which perhaps might be a quick tip of its own But tug left to right on an individual message from like, you know The center of the message bubble or whatever and you will be in reply mode. This is we believe new to iOS 17 More quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on Matt Geekab 1009 for Monday November 13th 2023 Greetings folks and indeed welcome to Matt Geekab the show where you share your quick tips and cool stuff found and questions with us at feedback at Matt Geekab comm and then we in turn take those and share those with the audience We'll try and answer your questions. Of course, we'll share some quick tips and cool stuff found of our own We string it together into an agenda every week here So that each of us has a great shot at learning at least five new things every single time We get together Sponsors for this episode include bare bones comms BB edit my favorite text editor and Linked in comm slash MGG where you can go and first first post your first job for free. See how efficient I'm being I just pursted that job We'll talk more in depth about each of those in a little bit for now here in Durham, New Hampshire Not get caffeinated and probably gonna be I'm Dave Hamilton and here in Lee, New Hampshire It's pilot Pete good to be back good to be doing the show. It's good to be doing the show Yeah, it's been another early morning for me, but not because we had fun flying. I had to wake up I had an electrician show up at my house in what I consider the middle of the night seven Share with me. How do you get that to happen? How do you know a guy to show up at your house? Well, that was that's why I had to wake up it for for a 7 a.m. Arrival because he told us I'll be there at 7 a.m. And we were like amazing. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't go to sleep, you know But whatever it's fine. It's getting done and and we'll have actually But it's all about our kitchen remodel mostly But there is some fun stuff that I have the electricians do sometimes and he's doing some fun stuff for me today So I'm eager to test out this thing and then I'll be able to talk about it on the show And and then the electrician becomes a tax deduction. So, you know, it's how kind of how it works Um Speaking of the tax deductions that we call our max Pete does Neil have a quick tip to Neil does have a quick tip and it it is awesome. So He's this gentleman. I'm probably a day late in a dollar short on this since I've been behind and listening to the show But you were discussing the different key combinations to insert special characters such as option Semicolon to insert an ellipsis There is a convenient way to find out all of these different key combinations, although getting to it is a bit of a pain Not really. Once it's done. It's done. You need to set up the screen keyboard the on-screen Keyboard viewer to do this you need to go into system settings keyboard Text input then click on edit and select the item to show the input menu in the menu bar Once you've done this you can select the input menu in the menu bar and show the keyboard viewer on screen Each key is labeled with the character that will be inserted when that key is type So when you when you have that key, tell me where to tell me where to go again. Just so everybody hears that yep So it's system settings. Yeah keyboard. Yep, then text in input Text input and click on the edit menu and select the item to show the input menu in the menu In a menu bar. Yeah, once it's up in the menu bar you click on it and you show keyboard viewer It'll say you have two options show emoji and symbols and show keyboard viewer So if you show keyboard viewer that that comes up Then when you hold down, I'm gonna do it right now as I'm speaking So then when you hold that you get a picture of your keyboard up in the On your screen and then when you hold down the option key It shows you that if for instance if you hit option N you get that little Tilda no, yeah, I think it's the tilde. Yeah. Yeah makes the NY sound in Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah so If you hit the control key it shows, you know, what what different ones you'll get and so it's quickly my favorite one I think was Yeah, so The euro symbol I can't tell you how many times I've looked for that So I have to hit option shift on the two key to get the euro symbol instead of going to another website Searching for the euro symbol cutting and pasting and all that you can use this keyboard to go That's how I get to it so option shift k lets you type the Apple logo folks if you wanted to know how to do that So no way. Look at that. Yep, right. Yeah. Yeah, so it gives you all those ascii characters that they Yeah, yeah win there. So this is very convenient worked in the past our inventory I've not been actually able to get the input menu. Oh to show up in the menu bar some googling suggests You need at least two inputs. You're on Ventura though. I'm on Sonoma here in the studio Sonoma Sonoma. Yeah. Yeah Well, I'm on Ventura. So it worked for me. Yeah Yeah, but but he said maybe you need yeah multiple sources or something. I don't know It worked for me. I only have one twice. I didn't read that far to tell you So I just have the US source and and it seems to work fine. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah I I've known about that But I like did not have it on and I need to have it on because it's there are times like you when I need to find the You know the euro symbol or I want to know how to type the Apple logo and I don't remember, you know option shift K I need to get option semicolon in my fingers But you know, I'll get there like that's got to keep saying it over and over again, right rod shares another interesting thing he says I've never liked how macOS minimizes Application windows to the dock as another icon, right? You know, you click the little yellow thing and it minimizes down and it adds that window to the dock he says there is a setting in System settings displays and dock and the settings name is minimize windows into Application icon and if you turn that off it takes the window and Dave. I'm sorry. Let me interrupt just briefly Yes, you said displays and doc. It's desktop and doc. Thank you so much. I was reading tiny text on my screen Yep, it's system settings desktop and doc. Okay. Got it so system settings desktop and doc and then the settings name is Minimize windows into application icon and when you turn that on if you hit the little minimize thing it You'll see the the window minimize or sort of shrink down into its application icon You no longer get a separate icon for that window to bring that window back But if you like it If you're back more efficient it keeps your dog cleaner whether it's more efficient or not depends on your work Well cleaner. Yeah, yeah, because if you want if you minimize say three windows from Pages right, you know and you want to pull one of them up If you do it the the default the old way you just go and hover over the dock You find the one with the name you click and up it comes if you minimize them this new way where you're just Minimizing them into the application you have to click on you click on the application you get them all back But you also don't know that you have them minimized like there's no visual Indication of that. Okay, so like as soon as I did this I had the same reaction you did I was like Oh, this is amazing. I want this and then I was like, well But do I like how much does this bother me? I mean I like I get that we all have our own preferences and that sure That's the wonderful part of this but Yeah, so, you know Test it see if it works for you great if it doesn't turn it back off. It's your computer. You do what you want. It's amazing Wait, can you can you do what you want on your own computer? I guess I mean you have our permission you do you have our permission? But just this once but just this once it's just because we're in the you know the pre-holiday spirit or whatever it is fourth Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right Pete. You've got you've got a couple of tips of of of your own I did and yeah, I have the blessing in the curse of having a wife who is Not into jewelry Same but that makes her so difficult to buy Yeah, man. Yeah, same does and I'm like, yeah, yeah You know, what do I get I can't fall back on a bracelet or a ring or a necklace or you know There's no last-minute punting for gifts. No. Yeah, it has made me a better gift giver though I will say like my wife Constantly says how'd you come up with this idea? So I had to so Pete blind ass luck excuse me Yeah, that's I'd luck. That's right Like let's say that I am without The inspiration for the right gift idea. Yeah, you have an answer for us I do because you know several years ago. I I lucked out I gave her a jewelry box and she's like I love this You put some thought into it and you know, it's clear that you and I'm like woohoo But I haven't been able to come up with a great gift idea like that since and I saw I went Hey chat GPT I Want you to come up with some gift help me find some gift ideas for my wife and I Want you to ask me up to 10 questions To help me figure out narrow down what what it is to do and it asked me all kind of what does she like to do What kind of hobbies, you know, and I'm like hobbies, you know, and I'm really reading, you know And it came up with some great ideas like, you know Hey a bed and breakfast get away with a literary theme and you know and I said oh and stay within New England and Man, so it came up with some great ideas By asking me questions about what her likes and dislikes are and I told it Hey, no jewelry right up front before even asking questions. I said hey no jewelry. No tech Because I'm a huge tech. I love to give tech, right? Yeah. Yeah, love. She doesn't love to get tech as much as I love to Right, you know fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, Lisa Lisa is a like she's she's nerdy It in you know in her way. Yeah, but but she does like gadgets to a degree Yeah, like I could I could easily like overdo it like she doesn't have as many gadgets as I do obviously But she's into the you know into the gadgety stuffer that this is brilliant my my other way Which I'll share because it it might help somebody out there is when I have a specific thing That I am shopping for a gift for and and with this one Lisa doesn't generally like I can't over jewelry her She does wear like necklaces and earrings and things like that But I have to be careful like I can't just like keep throwing jewelry out or it won't land well and so We had our 25th wedding anniversary last month and so thank you. And so yeah It was 25 years and three weeks ago that Elvis Sort of presided over our wedding in Las Vegas. It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah families were there John was even there But I so I went as I often do when I have like a certain occasion that I'm looking for gifts for I'll search on Amazon for like 25th wedding anniversary gifts Just not necessarily to buy from there, but just to start getting ideas like I you know I just need to sift now you're having chat GPT do the sifting which I kind of like right but Oftentimes what I do is I wind up on Etsy Especially if I know that jewelry is an okay thing and and for our wedding anniversary. I actually got her this handmade Silver because it's you know, it was our silver anniversary It's a silver like pee pod like that's half open and it has our birthstones Each of our birthstones like in the little there's two peas in a pod and it's our birthstones And it's got you know our initials carved in the back and like yeah I was able to find somebody on Etsy and like London that made it for me and shipped it to me in time But but yeah, but I like your idea of chat GPT and like perhaps the lead that we are burying here is Something that you mentioned you had you instructed chat GPT to ask you questions Yes That is perhaps the most brilliant part of this because not only does that work for gifting? It works for any other sort of brainstorming kind of thing. Sure. Oh, that's a great point Yeah, it absolutely does and I just and here's the thing to those that you know Now fortunately, I don't I don't think Debbie listens to this show. Okay, so but I don't want to get accused of you know Oh, geez you can't come up with something yourself. Hey, you know what? I'm sorry. I Want to call and you know what I'll take help You know, I instead of asking you think here's the thing effort to do something thoughtful And I think that's the key absolutely and and here's the thing, you know you are You are being presented You are the enlisting help in finding Ideas right just like when I search Amazon for 25th wedding anniversary. I just want ideas You know something's gonna jump out at me and I consider myself an excellent curator And so as I see these ideas come through my skill is in selecting the best one, right? And so right. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, these had some good ones and you know, it came up with you know Does she like things are experiential? I went she definitely more of an experiential person So yes, yeah, that's the direction we'll go and and by doing it now by the way Yeah, okay This is the you know the 13th of November is when this show hits the street Yep We're recording a few days before that do it now for Christmas because some of these are going to take you more than 10 or 12 hours to arrange Why you you shouldn't be doing this at like 10 p.m. on Christmas Eve. Yeah, it's not gonna work But I just I don't know I feel like I I got smart dude No, I think this is brilliant. This might be one of the best the most most valuable tips We've we've ever shared on this show. So I like that you a preshow Pete You were telling me about something that I didn't even know existed right in Iowa 17 So I wasn't able to prep it for the show but tell us about this. So yeah, so it's new in iOS 17 and it's called personal voice and it's touted where I found it it was touted by a gent talking about people who may have Like ALS or some other condition where you're gonna lose your voice Which will help you then be more communicative in your own voice, but you go into settings This is on iOS go into settings accessibility and then select personal voice and you're gonna need 15 to 20 minutes in a very quiet environment, okay, and it will have you read a hundred and fifty phrases and Then once you're done with that it'll say okay good to go Now set me on a charger and leave me alone and it can take it says up to 24 hours in my case I think it took about seven or eight hours. Oh, so that's still a long time It's a long time and it won't do it unless it's on the charger even if you're at a hundred percent It's not gonna crunch. Yeah, because some serious crunching I guess is going on in the background I would imagine so it crunches down and then it comes back up and it says it's ready And you can type in any phrase you type in will sound very much like your own voice now You can still tell its AI Generated voice and I think Apple does that on purpose to avoid Deepfake for lack of a better word, okay, but still I could be wrong. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah but it sounded pretty good and I've heard other people's voices but It sounded very flat tone in their own voice and I think the trick is my my recommendation is be very animated Would you read the phrase? Be be theatrical about it very theatrical and animated and I think you'll get a better product in the end So and it isn't available on all apparently of I think it was Tennessee Papa Just put in the notes there that it isn't available on some of the older devices I don't know it which device it becomes available. I would imagine by the 12 or Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's see does Apple personal voice. Does it say? Create a personal voice on your iPhone iPad or Mac So I was 17 iPad OS 17 or Mac OS Sonoma or later And it is an iPhone 12 or later an iPad air fifth generation or later 12 newer for iPhone according. Yeah, 12 12 and newer. Yeah, yeah 12 and newer for iPhone and a Mac with Apple silicon will do it too. So yeah, okay Interesting. All right, so this I might do this on my Mac like I got this I got this Mac studio up here And then you know and a nice microphone You don't have to do it on each device. Yeah, it's done. You can export it to other devices on your Apple ID Okay, so does it like sync across your Apple Apple ID is I don't know. I haven't done that yet dot, okay But it's definitely maybe I'm gonna do it here in the studio on my on my nice mic and and let it crunch Yeah, and then I'll I'll you know in a future episode. I'll we'll play it and see what happens And I'm guessing that it was I'm guessing. Sorry if you heard that call coming in We didn't hear the call. Oh good. Yeah The I'm guessing it'll do it much faster and a much better job on the Mac with the bigger processor I mean, I would assume. Yeah. Yeah, plus it also means I get to use my phone So like there's that too. Yeah. Yeah, my Mac is usually pretty good I'd love to play it for you now, but I can't because my phone is my camera your phone's camera Right. Yeah, exactly and I look marvelous. You do look marvelous If you're not watching on video folks, you can you don't have to we we are very aware that this is an audio show really we just started turning on the video because Several years ago you folks said it would be great to watch you record the show. So We we've we've enabled this very voyeuristic experience. You can watch Two sometimes three people record an audio podcast and we stream it to YouTube and Facebook And it's it lives forever out there on YouTube and Facebook So you can go watch old recordings and and then we do chop up segments of it from time to time and put those out as well But but you don't yeah, I don't feel like you're missing unless you feel like you're missing something by not seeing us do it You're not missing anything by not seeing us do it. Does that make any sense? Hey, you got one last one for us I I do and I got a pull-up JF, but he he essentially asked us how Here it is listening to 1008 this morning and here in the southwest and after hearing text entry tips with the n-m dash shift Option hyphen and the proper ellipsis characters. I wondered how often do the tips that you learn and share on the show? Stick and become a part of your daily Mac use And are you at the stage where these things pretty much locked down or do you find for example? Dave was talking about command K to open the keyword manager and photos become something you start using Once you know about it and and he asked me what's your example? In your Mac use of something you learned and adopted right away could be a fun conversation for you to share And then he shared one with us shift command slash Dude that that's one right there. It became immediately part of my workflow shift. What is it slash? Shift command slash. Yeah opens the help menu That's one of the ones that I always had to go and take the mouse and put it up at the top and click on help And then start typing in the word Within the menu, but if you hit shift command slash It opens Slash the one below the question mark or the one above the return key forward slash Yes, so it is. Yeah. Okay. You said it right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Shift command forward slash it opens the help menu and you can start typing So you aren't having to move your mouse to the top of the screen find the help Click on it and I imagine if you've got things Mac maximized Let me see if that works my help menu goes away my top menu goes away, right? But you can still do that and it does it opens the I I like it that became right away. It became part of my workflow. Yeah Immediately so I will to answer J. F's question I will say that when I learned of the tug left to right thing the opening quick tip Yeah, which which I learned about maybe four days ago three days ago or something it like I I Have it is become it has become part of my fingers memory now Like it that doesn't always happen though There are a lot of these tips like the the command semicolon option semicolon whatever it is for the m for the dot option semicolon for the ellipsis Yeah, I like that one's not in my fingers yet Command shift K or whatever it is option shift K to do that the second remember what it is for the Apple logo Like that those I have to keep relearning over and over again But some of these where it's something that I I will use right away. It instantly gets into my yeah, right And so that's why Shift command forward slash became immediately part of my workflow as I was prepping the show Questions I was like, oh, where's this? Where's that? 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That's correct Okay, I'm a big fan of OS 10 Monterey and I had it on my Macbook pro 16 M1 But while doing the recent Monterey Safari update not Sonoma The machine crashed them would not start for me nor the local Apple genius. So they sent it off They sent the machine to Apple and it came back with Sonoma and none of my data Yeah, you can pave and create a new Monterey system on the 16 inch M1 machine Is I have all the backup stuff that I needed and so yeah, I reiterate. Yeah. Yes, you can You you are you have our permission next question and the answer is yes, you can I Recently easy. No, it's much different to nuke to truly nuke and pave with Apple Silicon Then it was with Intel right with Intel you go into disc utility, you know, you go into recovery mode and You wipe the drive right you go into disc utility you wipe the drive had an install And then and then go back. You don't even need the install disk, right? You go into recovery mode You launch disc utility you wipe the drive you come back to main recovery mode You launch the installer right from there you point it at your freshly wiped disc and you are off to the races, right? And it would that that would Install whatever operating system came with your Mac, which for Rand is Monterey, you know It but except Rand is running an Apple Silicon Mac and I can speak to this because I just did it I was you if you remember my sagas here in the studio. I Was running Monterey. I decided to upgrade to Ventura But I didn't want to upgrade my internal drive to Ventura because I wanted to be able to you know boot into Monterey if it all crashed and burned and So I put Ventura on an external drive and it was like this is fine But now I was like well now I want to upgrade to Sonoma I'm okay with where I was with Ventura So I just want to put a fresh install of Sonoma on my internal drive And then I'll use migration assistant to pull over my data from my external Ventura installation, right? Okay, so like still we're in the realm of things So I followed the steps that I knew to follow. I went into recovery mode I went to disc utility and I told it to erase my internal drive and it gave me this warning That was like if you do this it's gonna erase your everything and I'm like, yeah I know that's what I want to do and I was like, but this is weird. It's like it's gonna erase everything on your Mac I'm like well, you're not gonna erase my external drives, but I already had a clone like I knew and I and I thought well Wait, I don't even need my external drive connected. So I disconnected it. It's like you're definitely not case Yeah, you're definitely not gonna race a drive that's powered off and disconnected So I like I've obviously felt used to every hard drive on the planet. You're right. Yeah exactly Yeah, if it's that good. Well, sorry folks. It was my fault, you know, yeah I thought I had permission so I I told it fine do that Well, that's when things changed Pete because it it was like wiping an iPhone which given that it's Apple Silicon is not a great surprise And so it immediately it was like, alright, we've erased this drive. We must now reboot your Mac There was no go back to the front and start your installation. Oh, no, no I had to reboot the Mac and then it was like, oh your Mac needs to be Activated just like you're you know your iPhone needs so I went through that and then I was able to boot into this like weird recovery mode sort of And the only thing I could do was install Monterey. So I was like, okay Monterey Yeah, because that was the default the base OS that came with the machine. Correct. Okay. And so I was like crap So I did that I installed Monterey. I Had to log in to Monterey to get the machine up and running Yep, and then from there I downloaded and installed Sonoma and then But you know, I'd already created a user account. So I'm like, how can I do this? And so I tried again like at that point the wipe and like I'm like, well, maybe with Sonoma It'll launch into the Sonoma installer After I do my hokie-pokie. Nope. I put Monterey on again I could not get it to boot into internet recovery mode because of I don't know why. Okay. Let me stop real quick. Please do Did you have a Do you didn't have an install you're doing a download over the internet install? Yes. Okay. All right. Yes Which is helpful because you have gigabit ethernet that not as helpful on a Baud modem correct. I it was so I I was I think I was doing a download over the internet, but it wasn't Internet recovery in my previous experience would give me the latest operating system available for my man whereas Local recovery would give me the initial operating system for this Mac I kept getting the initial so it it might have been internet recovery, but it sure didn't feel like internet recovery Okay, so I like but again, it's hard to say because I'm you know I did have to connect to the internet in order to activate the Mac. Sure. So I like yeah, it was but this was a bit of a You know a gold rodeo to get through Finally, I accepted that okay. I'm just gonna have to deal with this So I put Monterey on I downloaded the Sonoma installer again. I Let it upgrade to Sonoma. I did not do any migration assistant yet once Sonoma came up. I ran migration assistant and This was when things got interesting because migration assistant gave me gave me an option that I don't think is necessarily brand new But it's certainly newer than the last time I ran it in this way aka inside of an already running user account And it said hey do you want to Keep the user account that you have on this computer or do you want me to archive that off and Replace it with the user account Accounts from the drive that you're migrating from so that you essentially get the Fresh install without this bonus user account getting in the way and screwing up all your user ID numbers and all that stuff And I was like yes the latter like please yeah This is a temporary user account that I had to create to get myself to the point where I could run Migration assistant the way I wanted to so yes, please get rid of it and clearly an Apple engineer or two has been in that scenario Which is which is why this is functionality. Yeah exactly So so the answer Rand is yes, you can not only do you have our permission, but you have Apple's Blessing and now you have instructions to do it So but it's a little convoluted. It's not it's more like wiping an iPhone than it is wiping The max that we used to know and love. Yeah, so so I have one other question. Yeah, man What does goat rodeo look like? I don't know. I think it's about to find out. I yeah I'm wondering. I mean I had already made an image of two nerds giving people their permission which I thought was going to be the the The episode image and it might be But I you know I maybe I need to go giving you permission. I don't know Oh With two goats giving you permission. All right, so draw a picture of a goat rodeo with two goats giving you permission What about two nerdy goats? Yeah, there you go. They got to have the broken glasses. You got it protectors. Yeah Oh, yeah, and I'm literally doing this in chat Jpt while we're all recording right because Dave can multitask. Well now it's just doing it So we're we're off to the races. We'll see you will know of course by now folks which decision we made but This is true the Yeah, so I You want to read Ronald? I do so we were talking about al dente in a previous Episode, he says I downloaded al dente and set the MacBook Pro to 80% max charge And did the same on my iPhone 15 for those who have never heard of al dente before It's an app that lets you do kind of what you can do on your iPhone where you can limit the charging to 80% of the battery Or whatever percentage you want in fact, I'll then take gives you far more granular control than that But it's it's to help keep your battery from overcharging and and potentially, you know causing it issues exactly So it's to help you optimize your battery usage and battery life. Yep But it's just to my surprise the iPhone's battery began draining like crazy with ordinary use He says normally I'd go all day even on a busy day with 80% on by 4 p.m I was down to 20 or 30% and had to turn my low power mode on soon thereafter or charge it on my way home in the afternoon I also noticed that my MacBook Pro battery was also draining faster But I'm not as sure as I am With the phone when I turned 80% off but continued with battery optimization my daily iPhone batteries life went back to normal I also turned al dente off a Google search did not turn up anything all occurred directly after 17.1 was released iOS 17.1 and And initially I thought it was caused by that I never had any overheating problems and saw very mysterious to me But things seem back to normal. I just wanted to be to wear in case you care about it more So I did some research on my own and after conducting a search I found a place on github where another user had a similar issue with al dente And he mentioned that his battery health on his MacBook Pro was actually getting worse after using al dente for four months and hey mentioned that this was only a Software issue and does not result in any real damage and it can be reversed with the calibration mode of al dente Or manually cycling the battery between zero percent and a hundred percent I said it's possible the battery drain issue is experienced and is related to al dente But I said I'd recommend uninstalling it and observing the battery performance on your devices And if the issue persists, you know consider talking to to Apple support, but Here's the thing and I found I somewhere in there I found the comments to and it's my observation Some people are you know the conspiracy theory Theorist in all of us would say well Apple wants your batteries to get ripped up so that they can sell you more batteries But I don't think I buy into that I don't either I think Apple wants you to have the best user experience possible and I think their engineers are smart enough for our Device all our devices to make the best use of the battery based on your You know some learning going on there and based on your usage that it's going to be you know I so I'm saying I think al dente is probably a superfluous product. I So here's the thing I you might be right like that was certainly my Interpretation of it when I first found out about al dente it was like, you know years ago We needed things like this but apples Technology the hardware of it and the software of it have gotten so much better over the years Yeah, and a large part of that is just the amount of data that they've been able to collect about how iPhones like how mobile devices And batteries work right like it's just so much more out there Yeah, and so that was my initial thought about that and then You know, I started hearing from some folks Who leave their laptops plugged in all the time? We're like, yeah, you know, but like it Apples tech is way better, but there's still this thing where you know, it will charge too much And that's why we get to do what we do on our iPhones and limit the charging to 80% Because your iPhone The electrons, you know to use Adam Christensen's phrase from a decade ago The best thing to do for a batteries to keep the electrons moving either flowing in or flowing out, right? And so what happens with your phone is it follows that principle today when you turn on that optimized charging It flows electrons into your battery to get it up to 80% and then it stops flowing them in but your phone is still on So it's slowly trickling those electrons out, right? Like so they're still moving and then When it knows that you're you know, whatever an hour from waking up or however long it knows It's gonna take it blast your battery up to 100% and then also, you know, you take it off charge and it stops charging So it is still honoring that general idea of keep the electrons flowing With your Mac plugged in on your desk all the time or most of the time Those electrons aren't flowing quite the same way, you know And so like but Apple knows that I know but they've always known that so great But that's why I'm saying now like in system settings. It's optimized battery charging Yeah, fair battery. There's an option there to reduce battery aging. Yep. Your Mac learns. Yep. Yeah, it does It does I would I get and where it really came to life for me was when we moved Lisa From the Mac mini that died to a MacBook Air Correct, but it's a mostly plugged in laptop sure and it was that day that I was like You know Do we really want to leave this plugged in for a couple of months at a hundred percent because that's where like I watched it After the first week it was just keeping it at a hundred and I'm like right a hundred like they tell you not to keep Batteries at a hundred they tell you if you're gonna like store it for a long time Get it up to like 70 and then just chill So I was like, let's see what al dente recommends and it was like we recommend you said it at 70 And I'm like that fits with you know, I mean it there's a lot of confirmation bias going on here And I get that but also a hundred percent seemed wrong to me So we are still running al dente on her on her laptop there. I will see you know, yeah Well, so there was a there was a photo on get hub or a Chart, but yeah, it was a screen capture of a chart that showed what normal battery usage Should be in what his was and that's okay showing that. Hey look, you know, you're you're getting worse performance out of yours But you know in the settings you've got energy mode on battery on power adapter and it's automatic high power low power And you know, you get to choose how to optimize and I think it's I don't know let go and let Apple I could be wrong I could be helping them to charge me for a new battery sooner, but I don't think so no I don't think there's a Conspiracy here. Yeah, there is another conspiracy that I'm gonna talk about in a minute, but I don't think there's I don't think there's one here Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I like I'm just I Want I want to see more data and I want to be cautious until then I guess it's really where it comes from Yeah, you know because she can't unplug her laptop is plugged into a dock that feeds her monitor and you know other peripherals So she can't unplug it Occasionally right because you unplug it and now the docks stop charging but then then it's just laptop mode, correct Like her Bluetooth keyboard at work, but no extra screen and all that stuff Speaking of conspiracy theories We but but please let us know like if you've got even like all of our anecdotal experience together here Really does kind of help inform us all so feedback at Mackie cab calm. Wait, wait, wait We're feedback at Mackie cab calm That's right feedback at Mackie cab calm unless you're a premium listener then you get to email us at premium at Mackie cab calm premium Yeah, I'm a banner for that. Oh, yeah, that's right So There was a couple of weeks ago this video started making the rounds from Adam Savage at Why can't I think of the name of it the guys who'd like to figure out how things work and all this stuff and It was this video that they used this CT scanner on it. They put a cat scanner on a an Apple Thunderbolt Hundred and twenty dollar cable. Yeah, the two meter hundred and thirty dollar Apple Thunderbolt cable, right? Yeah, and and there were lots of these that You know this this video sort of went nuts in our community here it chances are you've heard of it Lots of you shared it with us and we hadn't really said anything about it until now. I was like, yeah, okay, that's cool We had just finished going through how in our again anecdotal testing we could discern no functional difference between a Thunderbolt certified cable and a USB 4 cable and You know a USB 4 cable is often half or slightly less than half the price of a Thunderbolt cable But worked with all of our Thunderbolt peripherals including Thunderbolt hubbing the USB 4 cable passed power like all of those things so functionally No difference one is certified Thunderbolt one is not even calling itself Thunderbolt But functionally they did the same thing and every test we could run We also said at the time like if I'm running a mission critical thing here where I've got something connected to my computer full-time for years I'm probably gonna spend the extra 30 bucks or whatever and just get the Thunderbolt cable instead of you know Wondering what my tests missed right so it was with that that I was like well this is interesting And so I looked at I watched this video and sure enough, you know They did this CAT scan of Apple's cable and they go through the connector Itself which has like a ton of circuitry in it and then also they look at the cable to and see how each Thing is individually shielded and they cross section of the cable and yeah It's amazing it absolutely amazing and it does show this Apple cable And if that's all the video did and it just stopped right there. I have no issue with it Right. It was sponsored by the company that was Making the the CAT scanners and so that was fine like they were up front about that no problem but what was really weird to me is that they did this whole, you know cross-section Deep dive into Apple's cable at a hundred and thirty dollars for a two meter cable Thunderbolt cable and then they scanned three other cables the most expensive of which was a $13 Amazon Basics USB-C cable and they showed how it didn't have nearly the same smarts as Apple's Thunderbolt cable. There's a little bit of emphasis that I'm sharing here to highlight that there's far more difference than the price of these things the $13 USB-C cable doesn't even Attempt to claim that it's doing the same things as a Thunderbolt cable It would not work to connect your Thunderbolt devices, right a USB for cable would an Other world computing Thunderbolt cable would why didn't they compare it against those that are Functionally similar, you know, that's a good point. I hadn't hadn't considered it in that sense that Yeah, you should have done it with some others that were obviously much lower in price But actual competitors do the same thing. Yeah, correct apples to apples. Yeah, so to speak Yeah, pun pun acknowledge it was sort of intended. Yeah Ex-exidental pun. Yeah. Yeah, so I That was the part of this. It was like why is Why did they do this and why did all of the reporting that I saw about it? Not mentioned. It was just like Apple Thunderbolt cables amazing. It's like, okay. Yeah granted, but can we talk about what we're being like This is not a comparison worth doing why was it in the sense of well the only other what I got out of it was Don't buy the $3 cable Because one of the ones they did was a $3 cable and that USB-C cable was clearly not even gonna work But in one direction it you can plug it in upside down and have it work at all. That's right Yeah, if you that's a great point if you take the dissection of apples cable out and look at the Comparison of the the three others the Amazon third Amazon basics $13 cable and then all the way down to that You know $3 cable then. Yeah, you know which which USB-C cable to buy sure. Yeah, but yeah This was two different things. I don't know. It's just it just seemed fishy to me I don't want to put tinfoil hats on anybody, but sure I wonder if it was just an oversight because I didn't catch that I'm glad you caught that It didn't even occur to me that yeah, there were other cables out there claiming to do with the Thunderbolt cable did $13 but but like owc's 2 meter cable is half the price of apples 2 meter cable I want to know what the difference is between those two, right? Does it matter and I want to know what the difference is and then I want to know Okay, there is or isn't a difference even if there is does it matter like? At two meters do we really care? About whatever extra if anything the Apple cables don't I don't know so cuz the might ball tell you what though I was amazed by the micro tech down in there the PC board and the Microchips and all kinds of stuff going on in those cables like holy smokes Super over engineered and it's to eliminate interference and give you a super clean signal which again Amazing great. Yeah, great. Yeah Yeah, so anyway That was my thing That's that's my that's my rent for the week You have our permission to yell at me for ranting because we do we really don't rant a whole lot here I I needed to shake my fist a little bit about that because it just felt it felt suspect like you go and look at all of the publications I guess I'm not done That that wrote about this and these are smart people many of whom I would consider peers and and you know Colleagues or co-op petition come like what like we know each other and they're smart people and not one of them said this like What's going on here? Anyway I think it's just an oversize. I think it's the way your mind works that you went. Hey, you know There's other cables here you guys didn't think to include You know what I'll give everybody the benefit of the doubt We had just finished going through that each cable, right? Yeah, so maybe yep I my my my lens on this was different. Maybe yeah, maybe there is no conspiracy maybe Maybe maybe there is You want to take us to Paul I do save us from this craziness. So yep first was ran now. There's Paul Paul rates We don't do politics on this show. What's going on? I know you have our permission to yell at us about that too That's right. Go away Conaway rates, and he says I thought I heard that you can customize what you see in Stand-by mode on another tech pot. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, Mr. Conaway. You're listening to other tech podcast We encourage you to listen to other tech podcast how we have our permission just this one But I can't figure out how I've been able to switch between photos Let me back up and read it again because of the interlude. Yeah I thought I heard you can customize what you see in the standby mode on another podcast But I can't figure out how I've been able to switch between photos and different clock settings What I'm looking for is the ability to add widgets from the iPhone's apps to one of the screen's options I haven't been able to find a way of any about this. But is there is this a thing? Can it be done? You ask it can yes, you can definitely customize it You aren't gonna get all the widgets that you think you want or even that you know you want Yeah, there are fixed widgets that are available in standby mode and there's not too many of them yet presumably more coming Think of it like your Apple watch and if you don't have an Apple watch think of how we've described say changing faces on your Apple watch Or adjusting complications. It is that user experience paradigm that I find most helpful when Adjusting things in standby mode. You can swipe to the left and right to get different sort of macro views different Faces if you will and then within the faces you can swipe the different The different things to you know the different Widgets to change back and forth and you can also hold down and decide which widgets would appear in the You know in in that face, but you're gonna be limited Think of it like a watch press and hold Swipe those are the things and of course if you're doing this in standby mode Don't jiggle your phone too much because you know, it'll take it out of standby mode as well There you go. It's just super fun. Yeah, and I just want to register my complaint here with Apple I don't like the word complications. Oh, that's not Apple's word Pete As a as a watch geek you can you can have an issue with the term Yeah, but it is that is Apple adopted that word from the from horology from from the watch Lexicon because if you think about where it came from it actually makes sense But I also get why if you'd have no idea where it came from you would say this is stupid Okay, it makes the watch more complicated. I know think of a watch a standard analog watch. Yeah has has one One function, right? It's just gonna show you the time in 12-hour mode. Okay, and now Now let's say you want the date on there. Oh, we will add a date Complication to the movement right thinking of an analog mechanical Making the watch more complicated more comp. You want a second hand? That is a complication You want to put the moon phase on there? That is a complication and of course if you're buying, you know high-end mechanical watches Every complication you add you could just basically add a zero to the end of the price and and you know That's that's how they price these things. Yeah You want a tour beyond in there to like these are all these different complications? So that's where the idea because the the idea of these complications is on a mechanical watch It would show you on the face of the watch the result of the complication, right? The date or the day or you know, whatever it might be and so surprise I didn't call it widgets. I guess was my point, you know, that would be a much better term. Yeah for an electronic watch, obviously Yes, I get it. Yes complicated in a mechanical analog. No, but but you're like the like the term fits With a mechanic with a mechanical watch widgets fits with a and and I mean we're doing it here we were You know sharing the answer of how to adjust your your standby mode widgets I started talking about how to adjust your watch complications and and I mean, I think I literally said think of it the same way It's like, well, why are we using these with this literally antiquated term? Yeah. Yeah So I get it. I'm surprised they didn't You know apples Certainly cut their own path on so many occasions. I'm surprised they didn't on this one But I am too, you know when they when they announced the watch It was a big deal for them and they were nervous Like I think they they wanted they weren't sure people wanted wearables I'm not sure I wanted a wearable when they announced it. Yeah, and like I I remember going I was at That event when we had breakfast in san jose that No, that wasn't that day because this was on apples campus. Oh, okay. I thought that was the watch day All right. No, this was on on apples campus in cupratino No, where you and I had breakfast in in san jose was like an iPad event I think at the theater there and in downtown, but yeah, they invited me out for that one They don't invite me for everything, but they invited me for that because they knew I was like a watch nerd and The the vibe there was very Like it was different than most events They were they were clearly nervous, but also just the attendees. I would say I Maybe half of the attendees were not techie people They were people from like the watch nerd world And so it was pretty obvious what was coming, right? It's like, oh, wait, you write for hodinky. Okay. Well, I know why you're here Like I know why we're all here, right? Yeah, and and and the They're you know, they had like a hands-on thing afterwards or whatever and I remember you saying that you got to put it on And you felt a little tap the little tap in the habits and then it was kind of unique and it was yeah It was very different But the conversations that I had with like apple employees that I know or whatever in the hands-on room afterwards showed a like A like person who had just been through an ordeal and finally got to breathe Was was the vibe they were all I think they were all pretty tightly wound about that announcement And how it might go and would people be happy or would people be, you know, scratching their heads over? Why are you making this thing? So yeah, so I so that's all to say That might explain why they didn't want to Reinvent that terminology. They wanted to to appeal to the luxury watch lovers Um, whatever their path was it worked? Oh, right. I mean fair enough because I'll tell you I don't know how many years earlier I had essentially abandoned A wrist watch when I know what time it was I'd simply pull out my phone and look because it was always with me. Yep, and it took a just You know, it was almost less work than looking at my wrist Yeah, right, right. So for years, I didn't have a wearable and I think that was very much their trepidation To create a wearable good that the people want one. There's no demand out there But they're same by the same token. There was no demand for An iPod and there was no demand for an iphone correct Correct. Yeah, well, there was more demand for an iphone Yeah, then there was for an ipod at the moments where they released each of those products Yeah, sure and they they wound up coming up with these products that we didn't know we wanted and now we have to have Correct. Lots of them too many of them Speaking of products that we Didn't know we needed until we had them Ari writes in And says I know you stay pretty up to date on the automatic slash robot vacuums. Which one is your current favorite? Okay, uh, I have A couple of favorites here. So I've tested The u fees from anchor the nido and the roborock. I've tested some others too But those those are kind of the ones I currently my my favorites Are the the roborock and the nido they just seem to do I haven't tested the very latest from yufi. So Like bear that in mind and I probably will and then maybe I'll I'll add that in back to the favorites list here But you know the the roborock the roborock is if I had to then pick between the roborock and the nido I'd probably lean for the roborock, but I like They're both really really close Um right now I'm running the roborock q5 and I think it's the q5 plus because it has the auto emptier thing Which I'll talk about and then the nido d10 Which does not have the auto emptier and I I wouldn't say you need the auto empty functionality. I I believe that was created for people who said Well, what's the if what's the use of having a robot vacuum if I have to empty it all the time? Well, the reality is You we run ours every day It runs in the middle of the night except for the one in our bedrooms Which runs while we're having dinner on a different floor of the house but you know we run them every day and I find that if I empty it once a week, that's fine It's you know, it packs the stuff into its little container and so that's totally fine and At least once a week the vacuum is going to pick up something like a cat toy or a pipe cleaner, which in our house are also cat toys and You need to mess with it or it gets stuck in a corner that it shouldn't get stuck in or you know, whatever And so you got to pick it up and put it and you grab shoe lakes is like their stone tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, exactly Right, you know or backpack Like the straps from a backpack or whatever like those kinds of things and it's no big deal But you pick it up and you're going to put it back on its base And while i'm doing that even the one that empties itself I will empty the the container because why do I want the other thing to fill up any faster than it needs to I've got the stupid vacuum in my hand and it's really not that stupid. It's quite smart But I've got it in my hand I dump it out and I also take that moment usually a couple times a month to take either there They all come with these like Especially formed Like little knives to cut all the hair that's going to wrap around the roller So I'll be like, oh, there's a ton of hair pet pet hair or human hair Whatever it is, you know on the roller i'll clean that off while i'm at it, you know And then I put it back on its base it charges and it's good to go for the next the next round But the the feature that really is the game changer and I've had vacuums before and after this is lidar navigation This is I will not use a robot vacuum without lidar navigation now It changes everything about how these things can work and navigate your home And not run into stupid things like that's creating a map of your home and sending it to china It sure is yep, and if the chinese, uh Want to map your home if they've got it some bad actor in china wants to bother to get on a plane Or even just ship the map of my home to someone here in the united states You can get a map of my home by going to my town's website for free Like the floor plan is right there. Yep So it really isn't a problem and it I love it like it But the lidar mapping is so much more than just having the map of your home But that in and of itself is fantastic because you can say oh clean this room don't clean this room Like on the spot. Yeah, you can put up invisible walls correct no go zones It yeah, you could the no go zones, but it also is seeing things And so like all those stories and somebody's putting something in the discord about you know Like a vacuum with dog poop, you know driving it around the house or whatever that yeah That happens far far far less often with these lidar scanners because they've put pattern recognition into them And so they notice. Oh don't go there You know, well, I have a story about that. Oh, is it with a lidar vacuum on video May see over my left shoulder. Yeah, I get my little girl who's little 50 pounds. Sure. It's gonna be 15 next month and and last month she got left alone for many hours while we went to a funeral And uh came home to uh, yeah, it did the robo rock. I think it's the Six or the seven okay has lidar and uh, it apparently it didn't recognize Oh, that sucks. Now the good news is is we had taken up all the carpets. We are down to the barewood floors And so much easier to clean up. That's way easier to clean the vacuum But uh, boy was that frustrating just like oh man, I thought it was supposed to avoid that I did too Well, there you go But yeah, I these are these are game changing things. I I have not yet tried a robot vacuum with mopping capabilities Right, like I think the aid plus has that and I've got one. I'm gonna break it out of the box Okay, and I'll I'll be ready to jump in on the next Okay, great. Yeah, because I I'd I'd be curious to see you know for like a kitchen area Obviously that that could also be kind of a game changer. So um, yeah, but but I you know I there are lots of good ones out there We've mentioned three brands My guess is that the ufis with the lidar and all of that stuff are equally as good as the others I just haven't had an opportunity to test those yet, but um, and if you've got pet hair in your house Man, it's so much so much easier to stay in front of it when it's done every day Yep, you know, you just aren't gonna break it out the vacuum cleaner every day and do the entire house No way no way and it's it's really nice if you're gonna have people over or whatever we can say All right, you know, we just tell it, you know from our watch or our phone Go vacuum the living room quick and in 20 minutes it's done But you like your involvement in that was to tell it go vacuum the living room quick And then it just goes and does its thing It's really nice waking up every morning to a freshly vacuumed house And I've noticed it because as I mentioned our kitchen has been under construction So we have not had the vacuum running on the ground floor of the house for almost two months now And it's like you know the other day Lisa and I were like, okay. Yeah, like we gotta we got to run the thing You know, this is getting ridiculous Yeah, yeah, but I mean our house is just a mess. It's like we're close though really really really close In fact, maybe by now the electrician that's over there Um, we'll have finished with like one of the last pieces. So you still haven't answered my question How do you get the electrician to show up in under seven months? Uh, yeah, I I told I gave you the name of the the guy that's here. So, you know, he'll be here. Yeah, I Okay, he said he could see me in May Seriously, seriously I don't know how I got him then I don't know the answer to that question Charmed life, I suppose. Yeah, so I said yes I think I've got to beat on another guy before then but that's a personal thing off to the side Let's go let's go back to questions. We're way down a random hole here We are way down a rabbit hole and the poor rabbit didn't do anything to invite us in No, Fernando has a question that uh, that we've been kind of tossing around for a couple of weeks here And I don't know what I did. Oh, no, I have it right here Fernando asks is there a way to globally disable the command h keyboard shortcut that hides the Frontmost application. I never use it and I'd like to use command h in my tmux config and The answer is yes, uh, there's a couple of ways to do this If you go in to, uh, system settings keyboard Keyboard Shortcuts. Yes. Yep. And and then go to um Which one is it? Yeah, if you go to App shortcuts You can add a keyboard shortcut for individual applications or for all applications In Fernando's case, I would choose all applications And I would map command h to whatever you want to map it to And then it will no longer be mapped to the default of any given application whatever you do here Again system settings keyboard Keyboard shortcuts app shortcuts whatever you do here takes precedence over whatever's built into an app So you can change things and add things here And uh, and and that should do it so you could map it to Nothing you could map it to a dummy menu item. You could put you know, um Don't you could map command h to a menu item named don't get caught, right? And then assuming you have no apps with don't get caught as a menu item name Command h will do nothing and then that's the end of that so it should that should So I wonder if you could follow your own advice and Prevent yourself from inadvertently pausing the recording Dave. I can yes Yeah, we were talking pre-show that I noticed the recording was paused Which scared me because that had never happened accidentally before Um, and I thought about that I thought about doing a mapping for audio hijack only For command b to be something dummy and you know routing it into nowhere essentially So yeah, yeah, yeah But yep The other way you could do this Is if you run say keyboard maestro, right and you can tell keyboard maestro to trigger an action based on command h And and you could even have that action be a little dialogue that pops up and you know says, hey you accidentally hit command h I just thought you might want to know but in in fernando's case, you know He wants to map it to his tmux config so he can absolutely do that and and you could use keyboard maestro to trigger an automation You know Files into that like all of those things so there's lots of different ways To just skin that cat. Yeah, that's right. We don't like to skin cats here. We're not into animal cruelty Oh, you know, okay. Sometimes they deserve it. Wow Like the cats the keyboard strokes the keyboard stroke. That's right. That's right. Yeah That cat deserves to be skinned get that keystroke to get what you need. That's right. I don't know where we're going with this Yep, uh, no politics. You broke that rule Yep, we broke the animal cruelty rule. We're in go rodeos and skin cats. So yeah, I don't know man I do want to take a second and say thank you to all of the folks who are Part of our mac geek ab premium program, which you can learn about it mac geek about comp mac geek gab comm slash premium Uh, we it's only been a few days since we've recorded the last episode because of some scheduling things But I wanted to take a minute and thank the following folks for their $10 contributions that have come in since then Cal from rustleville Donald from furlong and chris from trollywood. Thanks to each of you and then $25 contributions from scott in columbia peter in fort meyers and charles in midlothian And a $40 contribution from rand in portland. So, uh, you all rock. Thank you. Thank you And if you want to learn more about that, of course mac geek ab comm Slash premium We have some time pete for some cool stuff found Break out your wallets folks I wanted to it seems like you know things happen in themes here on mac geek ab steve ham and Sent in a pretty cool one that I had never seen before It is ow's owc's drive speed for iphone And it's designed for iphone users who need to monitor monitor and optimize video transfers between their iphone's and external drives and Sure enough like it's a it's an iphone app that will Show you the speed of those transfers and let you test the speed to make sure that you're getting This is super handy. You know, it also would run on ipad This'll let you know does your is your cable fast enough, right? Like which is an important thing when you're if you're transferring data a lot from your iphone or ipad to You know an external drive. So yeah, I thought that was pretty good I would imagine whether you're cabled or using bluetooth or Um, my guess is that you would only use this for a cabled connection But like that's yeah, yeah, because how else would you know it it forces you to point at a disk So yes, it's for a cabled connection. Absolutely. Yeah, dry. They're hence drive speed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Um, okay related to that one that I've actually had in the list for a little bit because it came up when answering a few Questions a couple of weeks ago Is another app that you can get for free called black magic's disk speed test Now this is one that we've talked about here on the show Many many times over the years and it's essentially the same app for your mac, right? And would not surprise me if this was the inspiration for owc creating the iphone app that we just mentioned because You kind of want it on that platform now too that it's super handy to be able to test again Is like when I when I talk about ssd's on the show that I've reviewed or whatever And I say yep and it tests out to you know, 2400 megabytes a second reads and 2300 megabyte a second writes It's black magic tests that i'm running on those drives And I let it run for a long time to get through any caching and all that stuff and really just you know, let's me See what that drive can do Not only does it let you test the drive it lets you test for whatever weak link in a chain you might have and so It it's a great way to test does this cable actually let me send at full speed I know the drive tests out with a known cable. So now let's swap the cable changing one variable. Does it still work? another thing That's really interesting Is if you're using say a thunderbolt dock and you have a display Connected to that dock and then you hang a drive off of that dock Watch what happens to your right speeds to your drive When you have a display running because guess what? That display takes up a little bit of bandwidth. You're gonna have to share They're gonna have to share and the display is using it full time. So It it's it's really a a handy sort of setup tool when i'm configuring an environment say all right Wait, where am I putting the drives? You know physically and logically? Let me make sure I put them in a spot where they can be the most efficient And then maybe I'll put the display and like my audio device or something Shared on that port because neither one of them is going to use full speed and you know that kind of thing. So yeah Fun, uh, so that's those two and then On the subject of speed one last cool stuff found for today Is uh robster shared with us Something called open speed test Which is an html 5 speed test that you can do For you know your your internet speeds But you can self host it and he says I have it running on a mac mini connected via ethernet So that there are no bottlenecks to or from that particular machine Then he says all I have to do is type in the address For that machine server from any device on my network and I can see how fast any given devices compared to its ethernet connectivity So this is simpler than uh arguably simpler than setting up an iperf Server and then having to get an iperf app for your iphone in order to test things You can do this with a web browser and he says he's able to see full Gigabit speeds when on a connection that's you know that that would support that so yeah So you've mentioned you mentioned iperf now you got to tell people what that is just ever so briefly It is it's a it's a terminal command. Yeah that you can run in Either client mode or server mode and so the idea behind iperf is you run it in server mode on one of your max Or I have it running on one of my disk stations And then I run it in client mode on my max from the terminal iperf 3 is the command And then my iphone I had to go download an iperf app because I can't get into the terminal on my iphone and install apps And so uh, then I can speed test my disk station Similarly to what robster just described doing with open speed test. So yep But uh, but this looks a little easier to set up. So yeah, yeah nerdy stuff But you know, that's what we do here. We're nerds you have our permission to be a nerd There you go. Yep. We have our permission to attend to go rodeo. Just this once And from henceforth And and from henceforth, that's right just this once and any other time Ah, thanks for hanging out with us folks a fun one. Yep. Yep. 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