 Can we, Terry, go back, because we haven't talked about your time in Grendan, but we haven't also talked about your career as a, I feel rude saying criminal, but that's what it is. That's called it what it is, brother. What was it like going on your first job? What did you knock off that give you a buzz, I suppose? From a very early age, I was at Grafton, I was at Nicking. I think the first few ideas was when I was about 10 years old. I can remember going down to the old Aira shells in Camden, and they got all over London, and I got a key to them and an Exor, and I went with a couple of my mates, and we went around to every single station. And first there was an adventure, and then I noticed that on every single train station there was a cigarette machine and a chocolate machine. So I then spent the next couple of months doing every cigarette machine and every chocolate machine. Then I had tons of cigarettes. That was a 10-year-old kid. I then was down at King's Cross on the train lines, and a train came past with loads of cars. I ran along and jumped on, and I opened the door. It was a long transport for cars, about a mile long, or if not longer. I opened the door, and there was all car radios. So I jumped back off, and I got some black bags and another friend of mine, and we waited for a couple of days, and the next one came along really slow. We ran along and we jumped on it, and he got in and done all the radios and I held the bag, and as we filled it up, we put it over the side, and we went about five or six miles down the track, but we had, I don't know, we had about 25 or 30 radios, and it was our biggest score as a young kid. I think it was worth £10 each, and that sort of infused me. Was it a bummer when they started putting a key code in the radios? Do you know what? I was out of it by then, thank God. You know what the funny thing was? It's the same with the wheel nuts. Remember the wheel nuts they've got on cars? They said you can't nick the wheels. So because they've got a special wheel nut that you can only open it from the special thing they left in your car. So instead of nicking your wheels out, they were breaking into the car, smashing it, and then to take this wheel nut off to fucking take the wheels off. So it was the same with the new radios. They put these new face-off radios, and what did everyone do? They hide them under the seat. So it's crazy, but for me, I got a fair amount of enjoyment of doing that as a kid, as a 10-year-old kid. I then went into care, and that was a consequence of me getting in trouble. Nicking cars, breaking into shops, and there was the price to be paid for doing that as a kid. It cost me my whole life being a criminal at that stage. I went into home, I lost my family because I was just bunking on schools, walking down the West End, and nicking handbags and everything. I was such a bastard kid, I'm not going to lie. I kept getting in trouble, I kept getting in trouble, and then I went to the hunt. I then graduated to a community home, and I left there when I was 16 years old or 15 years old, and I met some older boys, and they encouraged me to do arm robberies. So we were doing post offices in Bangs, I think from 50 or 60 post offices in the space of a couple of years. And then I got another sentence of four years in a man's prison. Where do you get a shooter then to go and do that? Do you just buy that on the black market? Yeah, you know, where I used to live, it was predominantly a villains area. Camontan, King's Cross, Whitechapel, the Angel was where arm robbers came from, drug dealers lived. We were at a corner of London, I could go into any pub, any club, at the age of 15, 16, buy a son or shotgun. And as I got older, I could buy anything else, which I wouldn't go into. But anything up to a, I could buy anything. But at that particular moment, the end thing was a snub-nosed revolver and a son or shotgun, which I bought. And then I went on the crime spree, I was a big kid and with a balaclava and I just started doing everything. It was like taking candy from a baby. Would you have been prepared to shoot someone or is it just for the intimidation? Oh, yeah, yeah, but you know what? It was definitely for intimidation. I would never intentionally hurt anybody, especially as a security guard or someone who works in the post office or something. You know, it's just not what you do. You know, you know, over the years, you know, I'm not going to lie to you. My dad was an armed robber. Him and his associates, they killed a security guard. So I was always, when I actually took the shotguns on the robberies, I actually took the bullets out, which was unheard of. You know, even the guys that I worked with, they said, you got the fucking shells in you. I said, no, not. Why would I do that? Because if the guy grabs the gun and I pull it by mistake, he's going to die. So I never ever took any ammo on there. You know, I actually was quite successful. You know, I was actually quite successful as a robber. Unfortunately, I got caught. That's a bit of a contradiction. So tell us, Tariq, because it's, I don't know if it's just me or whether a lot of young men go through this fantasy, but you always picture that perfect heist and you've got this fucking big bag of money, and it's going to last you, but it doesn't work like that, does it? Do you spend it quickly? You know, the more money you get, the more you spend. Most people are only about 200 pounds a week, then we were nicking on three and a half thousand pounds a day. I rented out a flat. I bought a nice car. I never had a license. But you know what is the price we paid? I was going every night. I was drinking, taking drugs. I was womanizing. And eventually I walked home and I thought I was Charlie Big Potatoes and I opened my front door. And the whole place came alive with police officers. And they gave me a severe beating and it took me to, I think it was Hinden, at the end of the year, the Robbery Squad. You know, and then I got four years. And then over four years, I was determined to come out of prison and change. I then got married as soon as I left prison. And everything was going alright. And then I sort of had a breakdown with my girlfriend. She left each other and broke up. And then I was doing the jump-ups at the time. And I ended up going to Spain. And I was trying to get away from it. And then I ended up driving Puff from Marbella to Bolivia. And you know, I never had a car in the world. I didn't care if I got a call or spent time in a prison or in a Spanish prison. I got so good at it that I was actually doing it every other week. You know, I was buying it. You know, I started off with 50 key, 100 key, 200 key. And then I went up to 500 key every other week. And then I sent it back to my friends or my associates. And then I bought big villa, nice cars and I thought I'd practice it. And then I was working in Amsterdam. Was this Puff was coming in from Morocco then, I'm guessing? Yeah, it was coming in from Morocco, yeah. And then... One of my favourite films has got the business. Have you seen it with Danny Dyer? Yeah, yeah, brilliant, yeah. There's a little bit like that actually, yeah. We was living the life, taking cocaine and just womanising and doing everything girls. You know, it was very... I can remember being in Marbella. And you know, I can remember this guy coming and coming down with a big sandwich board saying, Repenna. Repenna and come to Jesus. And we was the new very rich then. And you know what? I look at that moment in time. And I... When I talk to kids who want to... And I'm asking them to change their life or in games. I now know what they see. They see me with that sandwich board in Marbella. Trying to convert them. And I know sometimes they're useless. It can be. But I know that guy actually went out of his way to try and change people's lives. He may have applied in the seat that day. And that's why I go out every day with my sandwich board. And I hope to apply in the seat that some of these kids would change their lives. You know, so... Yeah, so I can always remember him coming in and I felt, you know... You know, this guy's off key. He's crazy. Why would I change my lifestyle and become one of God's disciples when I could sleep around, take drugs and drink and do everything I want?