 We're live Derek Collin do knows here today. Hi, Derek. Oh All right, we're about to start the audio here we go You can help support the daily tech news show by becoming a patron go to patreon.com slash a's detect or bit.ly slash help DTNS This is the daily tech news for the first day of the fourth quarter Thursday October 1st 2015 I'm Tom Mary joining me today Derek Collin do know programmer and a host of the skeptic Callity podcast the guy who does the Skeptrack at Dragon Con and actually the only reason that I ever found out about Dragon Con and got Got exposed to that lovely conference every fall in Atlanta, Georgia Thanks for joining us Derek and and thanks for for Cajoling me into coming out all those years ago I know I was trying to get everybody to go there and then you know adds to the massive people we end up Yeah, it does keep we were talking about the before the show it gets bigger every year, but yeah We've been having a treadmill has been about between 30 and 30 20 and 30% growth year over years since 2004 That's amazing. It's been crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we've added a new hotel over two years at Sam The trend continues Well in in your day job though. You're a programmer developer You work at IT and we're gonna talk a little bit today about cloud services I assume you have have had have run into cloud services in your job before yeah A lot of my clients always are either trying to migrate that way or they're dealing with it or they ask advice about it Stuff like that. Yeah, and well I work with mainly government. So these are pretty big clients. So mm-hmm Yeah, not too many small government clients anymore Actually, there's quite a few but Well, let's take a look first at the headlines Bloomberg reports Amazon sent an email to its marketplace sellers saying it will stop selling Apple TV and Chromecast Even if you're a third-party seller, no new listings will be allowed an existing inventory will be removed as of October 29th Amazon said quote It's important that the streaming media players we sell interact well with prime video in order to avoid customer confusion Roku players are unaffected Amazon has an app For Roku this seems to be Derek the opposite of what we saw with Kindle where yeah Amazon made a Kindle device But they were very eager to put the Kindle app and the Kindle books on as many platforms as possible On your phone and everything in fact it does I think Kindle apps for everything and like Linux I think there's even one. So I'm confused about this one. I'm not quite sure why they did it Yeah, because a Chromecast is so cheap. I can't imagine they're losing money because of it Right and and the idea with the Kindle was well, we'll make money on books and we'll make money on hardware because we'll make really good hardware This makes me less likely to want to buy a video through Amazon Because I you know, I don't know if I'll be able to play it on my device of choice in the future Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm really confused about this one because they didn't say anything about that particular point But I it doesn't make any sense to me because there's so many other things that Directly compete with Amazon and a much bigger way that have been there since the beginning and they don't care about them Yeah, I really confused about this. I mean, why don't they why do you allow? Why do they sell like iPads? I Mean, that's right. Yeah, well exactly or or you can you can buy it not that there are too many of them But you can buy competing ebooks Readers as well, but yeah, I mean they make fire tablets Those are any other you can buy all kinds of Android tablets that aren't exactly and those are to me That's a bigger chunk of their market share than the $30 Chromecast So I don't understand it at all just making sense to me Fortune Stacy Higginbotham has an excellent report that Nest is launching a works with Nest store to sell devices that are compatible with Nest home products nest also released an API for its nest cam the former drop cam so that those products can interact with the camera Anything in the nest works for nest would be able to interact With the nest cam as well as being able to put nest cam things into your your own apps nest weave protocol Now uses the thread Wireless protocol based on six low WPAN to allow its devices to connect to the internet over low power secure mesh Networks an example of that is Yale They have a new Linus or Linus smart lock that can signal nest cam to turn on after too many incorrect passcodes are entered So it takes advantage of the API. It's part of the works with nest store And it's it's basically like lockout for your house But then turns on the camera to be like hey, let's let's take a look at who's doing that So fun stuff for the next wave of black hat hackers can go in there and have fun with your house Yeah The one thing about nest weave that's bad is it's not an open platform now They are making the API available and everything tried to encourage this But it's not a platform that anybody can just build in you kind of it's it's locked down But the good thing is that they do have some pretty good security Including device specific security so that certain things like the refrigerator will never talk to your locks on your Just say look there's no need for that to happen So if some hackers trying to break in through the refrigerators, you know API somehow we can lock stuff out like that 100% secure of course my 15 year old self is you know thinking we have made it to the point of you know the neural master heavily We're going through refrigerators to get to people's you know thermostat. So, you know, we're there aren't we The Washington Post has interviewed the founders of an app called people. That's P. E PLE that lets you rate and comment about actual people they they Enthusiastically call it Yelp for people You have to have a Facebook account to sign up and that Facebook account has to have been active for more than six months You have to have a working cell phone number. So they're doing their best to keep anonymity out of this Users have 48 hours to message anyone who gives them two stars or less and try to convince them to change it They also say bullies will be booted off inaccurate reviews will be removed. They have lots of policies about you know harassment Only positive reviews are shown on profiles for people who haven't signed up for the service However, only people who have signed up for the service can see their reviews The app is scheduled to launch in late November. They're really really trying to Pitch this as positivity like a way to get positive information out But you know the big concern is immediately that people will use it to slam each other Well, you know and the way you have to get in through into this is through Facebook, right? Yeah, I mean you already a lot of people will be Kept out because of that I suppose well that and have you you've been on Facebook you see comments on there So this will this will be this will be fun Yeah, I mean this will be about the same level of discourses, you know the comments on the YouTube threads So, you know it'll be fun. Listen if we're gonna put a pot If we're gonna try to be in the spirit of the founders and put a positive spin Maybe they'll be the first ones to figure out how to crack the the spiral down into negative comments Maybe they'll do it Derek. Maybe It would be fun to see but Because I guarantee you the first time they take away somebody's negative review There'll be that whole cry of well, it's all censored. So people won't use it and I could just see it happening. I know I've I've seen a couple of people talk about the fact this this actually might end up being a good thing because people might be more cautious about their online We'll see what happens. I think their bigger problem is gonna be uptake to be honest Yeah, I mean everybody's talking about it today, but it doesn't launch until November We'll see if enough people actually use it Make it to be the next next Google Wave. Yeah Dating app Tinder is making its super like feature available to everyone after a month-long test in Australia According to the next web super like lets you swipe up to express open interest in another person The super like will show up as a badge next to your picture in that person's feed They can then make a decision to either swipe right to talk to you or swipe left and walk away normal Tinder style Super like is limited to one user per day Although if you're a paying Tinder member, you can use it up to five times a day Tinder says in its test matches were three times likely to more likely to occur with a super like and the conversations were 70% longer. I Just find the whole concept of Tinder needing something to make people like it even more It's like if you want something if you like something on Tinder What was it in between super like and what's going on now on Tinder because I've heard stories So I'm trying to figure out the difference would be the difference is the limitation, right? I think they're taking a page from Twitter here saying limitations cause different behavior and have interesting results They're saying you can only have one of these a day or if you're paying member five of them a day So you use them more carefully and so when you receive a super like it feels more special than just a normal swipe I guess since I'm not single anymore. I'm missing out a whole, you know subsection of the internet I have I'm not involved with so yeah the same here Reuters reports that Hewlett Packard's board has approved the plan to split into two companies You might be excused if you thought that had already happened. It's been dragging on for a while. Finally, it's actually The two companies will be same as we reported before Hewlett Packard enterprise Which will handle the corporate hardware and services and HP Inc. Which will focus on personal hardware and business HP Inc. will continue to be traded under the HP ticker on the New York Stock Exchange While HP Enterprise will get a new ticker and everybody who owns HP stock will get a share of that stock under the ticker HPE Wired reports Google announced it's building a fiber optic network for the cities of Acura and Kumasi in Ghana as part of project link The effort broke ground in June and aims to offer service by the end of 2016 according to Google Ghana country manager Estelle Fokyo Soa Project link is different than Google fiber project link sells capacity to ISPs and mobile carriers So they're building backbone rather than providing ISP services themselves and the project already has one System up and running providing broadband to Kampala Uganda So that's what that is. I was trying to I didn't finish the article I was trying to think out what they were trying to actually do because I realized it wasn't for you know Consumer consumer use but so yeah, they're just trying to get more customers, you know worldwide So now in Uganda, they didn't really have any competing service They were you know, it's a landlocked country Ghana has service So really what they're trying to do is provide faster more improved service Which is because I know most of those places like that they all work off mobile phones because they're Real broadband is just it's all mobile. So yeah Microsoft added translate to Skype for Windows Officially today with voice languages in English French German Italian Mandarin in Spanish and then 50 languages if you're just using text Translate was released in preview for Skype back in December of last year Skype translator option is available to everyone using a PC or a tablet running Windows 7 8 8.1 or 10 So we're now at the Star Trek Almost there. It's not quite real time like like Jane. Yeah when she's talking to the case on but yeah getting there. I I'm I Try to use this type of tech with a friend of mine who lives in China that knows Merit Mandarin and he said it's Not that good but good enough good at it like you could make yourself understood, but it wasn't elegant Okay, you have to make you know use small words, you know, yeah, but it worked pretty well I mean, yeah, you have to speak clearly. I've noticed then I know I couldn't even Say anything in Mandarin. So I guess it's much better than nothing. So true same here for sure I see that reports on LG's two big announcements this morning the LG V 10 is an Android 5.11 lollipop phone with a 5.7 inch screen This is the one if you remember has a second screen set above the main display to show you information like weather time and data There are also dual front-facing cameras so you can take a 120-degree photo it will come to Korea in October with the US China and other Asian markets to follow No price was announced LG also showed off the watch urbane second edition That one is the one that will come with LTE Built-in so that you can make and receive phone calls right from the watch watch has a full circle 1.38 inch P OLED display as well and a launch in the US and Korea Whenever that happens, they didn't give us a date or a price I I hope all that stuff comes yeah a lot of time All those freaky gadgets usually end up dying before they get here LG very famously had a video watch. Yeah, where you can get video calls at CES one year and we haven't We haven't seen that this one. I mean it does seem like it will come this year It is interesting that they had a big announcement without even price information or release date Hey, we get a lot of these stories from our subreddit folks Thank you for participating their daily tech news show that reddit comm motank submitted the ars Technica article noticing that Google and Microsoft released a joint statement announcing the two companies have reached an agreement on patent issues dismissing all patent cases between the two companies Including a case that Microsoft brought against Motorola in 2010 that Google inherited and has still been fighting There were no financial terms announced But one of the things Microsoft has been doing is collecting royalties off Android phones And they were going to get a lot of money if they had won that case with Motorola So it would be interesting to know if Google agreed to pay royalties to Microsoft or not Something happened. Yeah, I never went. We'll probably never know peace in our time though That's a case to settle. Hey if this if this is a something that sparks a trend, that'd be great Yeah, I'm just sick of the patent stuff It always moves on to something else though, right like right now It's software especially software with mobile mobile design, etc You know 10 years from now. It'll all be about Internet of Things sensors Something there's always something new Speaking of something new carbon nanotubes You may have heard of being used as transistors They can operate at dimensions much smaller than 10 nanometers, which gives a path forward beyond silicon Which I think the smallest they've been able to make silicon work out yet is seven nanometers And they feel like they've may have hit the wall there the problem for carbon nanotubes has been contact points because the Contact points at nanotubes cause resistance hindering performance Venture beat notes that IBM researchers have an article in the October 2nd issue of science describing a way to bond metal molybdenum to carbon nanotubes to create a new contact structure and The upshot is if you don't care about what elements are being used in what way they showed no performance hit at 9 nanometers And they Theoretically can take it all the way down to 1.8 nanometers if that pans out Moore's law might get another extension here Yeah, well, they always figured out a way to do it. That's the thing is I've never had a fear of that It's always gonna be something different than what you think it is but the more Moore's law thing if you look all the way back to like the 888 and just watch the development of that and you really saw it Well, I remember between the 386 and the 486 I remember that the war was gonna end and they figured out it's always it's always something And I had him they thought it was never good. Yeah, so it's always interesting exercise I will leave to the listener or viewer is to go to Google turn on the search tools limit your search to like ending in 2003 and Then do it ending in 99 and search for the end of Moore's law and you'll find articles every year I remember in the 80s people talked about this Oh, before right before they came out with the next thing after the 888 They knew I'd do what was gonna happen and then you know, they had the first of the 286 generation is I remember having to Like, you know, solder my own boards back back in the day. So yeah, there's always a End of the world freak out. So Waffle off of us in the chat room points out. It's the law guys. It's never gonna end Oh Sorry And then our final story Is not the kind of story we would normally talk about a website got hacked and data depth that happens a lot sadly We don't always pay attention to all of these But we are going to pay attention to this one because it's the way the show gets funded patreon Got hacked patreon founder jack connie posted last night That his engineering team discovered unauthorized access to the patreon database on september 28th So just a couple days ago connie wrote that names emails posts and some shipping addresses not all I think it was shipping addresses In some cases and some mailing addresses from before 2014 Passwords social security numbers and tax forms were accessed but had been encrypted with the 24 I'm sorry 2048 bit rsa key hashed with b-crypt and randomly salted So those are fairly heavily encrypted. However There's reports that that data has been dumped out publicly So as a precaution patreon recommends that all users change their passwords Again, particularly noting this hack because we know Many of you thousands of you support the show through patreon. So if you haven't seen the email from jack Or you haven't seen an email from me and this is the first you're hearing about it Go to patreon and and change your password and You know, we we can have a debate whether we think patreon reacted well But they're the fact that this happened september 28th and they're saying it now is fast They were saying it last night september 30th. That's that's fast And the that 2048 bit rsa b-crypt and random salt is pretty damn good Yeah It's only different the only problem that you could actually think of is the fact that they have all the time in the world If they have all the data Yeah, exactly. 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But if you're not and you've got thoughts about it dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Interesting article on the next web posted from the conversation So it's a it's a separate website that they reposted an article from the article is called It's not just facebook that goes down the cloud isn't as robust as we think They point out that last week We had an amazon web service outage We talked about it on this show the zd net article about the guy who's alarm clock started freaking out because of it Skype was down for almost a whole day on september 21st Facebook has been down at least two times in the past week That prevented some logins from happening if you log in with facebook on stuff might not have worked google lost a few gigabytes apparently according to this article after Belgium power grid was struck by lightning four times. They had backups. They had redundant power systems But that's that's a lot of that's a lot of power issue power grids Are a risk? We see innumerable articles on scada scada stands for supervisory control and data acquisition The scada systems have have security issues that people are trying to Skata did you say it skata? That's what I don't want to things I program Okay, so so can you talk about like some of the issues there because what what this article Premises is that as we rely more and more on cloud services First of all when they go down if that's our only way of getting the data then that's a problem But also the power systems that run these data centers where we have all the cloud data storage If it's not secure then that's a problem as well and these skata systems are the things that are Between us and bad actors bringing down the power system Well skata systems are mainly a control The best way to put it is if you have a remote control That's what it is Like if you if you think about it that way if you have a tv and you have remote control and you're using the remote control That's kind of what that is It's not quite one-to-one, but it's close to what i'm what i'm thinking of and What a skata system really is is if you've ever seen movies or or those the big giant board at the at the subway system or the The airport or they have like the pictures of like the roads and the airport things on that's a skata system And they're mainly used for controlling remote Act points like that they have like a pump or a motor or a light or The biggest one that we can think of is you know the traffic light systems. That's kind of a skata system itself And a lot of these skata systems then also Get information back like the water wastewater industry They tell us you know when somebody's pump goes on and off So we know how much water somebody's using or how much water is going through a sewer pipe. So we collect that data um In the case of power This is where it gets iffy if somebody figures out a way to hack or modify the skata system That's what controls the power grids to know that I need more power over here Or that it's getting too hot You guys if you're in an area where it gets too hot and you have brownouts It's skata systems that kind of control that from happening. Um, so The internet is kind of like a big skata system itself because the way the internet works, you know, it's point to point But you know the reason why If you think about it, it's more reliable because of that you can actually get Fussy about a certain server not much you can do about that But as far as like the internet as a whole to be very difficult for anything anybody to do anything to the internet But they could do things to like drop box or You know, maybe not google because I think they have nodes everywhere. Um, but you know what I mean It's it's not it's not like the world's gonna end because Facebook's, you know mean servers have a hiccup Hmm. Well, you know that's gonna happen. That's the internet. Um, well and I think the interesting part of this article is that you know, the internet is meant to be Uh scalable it's meant to be redundant. You know if part of it goes down It doesn't bring down the hole, but as we get more and more data Kind of concentrated in data centers and as those data centers are holding the data for more and more Essential items like you could say Facebook's not essential right now But let's say Facebook became the default way to log into everything, right? And that really took off for some reason. Well, that could be an issue. I know that's a big what if how about how about amazon web services? There you go. Yeah, even have no idea how many companies actually just rely on that for their entire data systems Yeah, some of the netflix went down when when amazon web services have gone down in the past I mean, that's why they rely on part of it. Yeah, and dark redeemer in our chat room earlier Said it seems that the physical structure of the internet being designed as multi redundant is being countermanded I might even say undermined by the cloud app infrastructure of interoperability and interdependency And and so You know, I'm not saying like run for the hills folks But but we talk a lot about cloud services and privacy, right? Like should you trust your data with dropbox? Should you trust your data with amazon? We don't talk a lot about reliability like hey now hold on you can try let's say you can trust these services Should you put your days your data? We're going to be reliably Accessible there is is lightning going to strike some data center four times and happen to wipe out a couple of gigabytes that have your data in it I think in certain cases you shouldn't really worry too much Google I don't think you'd have to worry too much because They have triple redundancy everywhere and you should see I I drive by one of their data centers Up here in northern Georgia and the thing is like two or three football feels long And they have you know, nothing, but you know air convention units on top of it It's crazy and they have tons of those all over the world Now amazon, I think the same thing, but now if you get down to like dropbox Yeah, they're pretty big, but how big are they or you know box.com? There's another option So I I mean in the point that your point is good But I think you should be aware of the size of the company you're putting your data in if you if you're talking about the reliability part By my reaction to a lot of people who have fear mongered about cloud services On the reliability side has been to say look The chances of your hard drive in your own house going bad And you being able to recover that are much more or you not being able to recover Are much more than theirs because they do this for a living That's not to say you shouldn't evaluate like derrick saying whether the company is reliable on the whole But I I guess my my ultimate answer has always been so make sure you have a backup that you're in control of As well as a backup that somebody like that that is reliable for the most part is in control of because then if the system does go down for Some freak reason or some skate attack on their electrical systems or something you still have your data backed up locally as well Yeah, I I took a little time You should so everybody should go and actually see what a data center is like Go inside of one and tell me again that you can have anywhere near the level of equipment there to like back things up I mean that their computers alone are in like if it's if you if you're hot You want to work at a data center Because they're all cold to keep everything nice and running better So the whole thing all these things are designed to stay up and if they go down they still have the data So in a way Even if it goes down They're better at a backup than you are even if you have it in your own house Now what about things that you need real time access to? Maybe some kind of authentication. Maybe you're maybe your door locks Are you you know are running through some kind of cloud service? We talked about nest weave earlier? And someone again through the infrastructure brings the power down Brings it like facebook being brought off offline is brought offline And you can't get into your house. I mean is that something we need to be worried about If you abandon keys, will they I guess you should be worried but I I I think that there we have I think there's there's there's always a way to make sure that you can get in your house Well, yeah, I mean maybe that's just a bad example But what I'm saying is you know the the reliability of connectivity is another part of cloud services And and when you need them you need them to be available Uh, and and one of the things this article was pointing out was hey if the air conditioning is brought down at a data center As you say that that can be a nightmare for backup tapes and things like that Uh, so are are these SCADA systems getting secure enough that we cannot worry as much about that sort of thing? When I got hired by my company, that's the reason why they hired me. That's what I did Um, I did it for water wastewater, but because you know almost almost every water wastewater system is run by SCADA systems I mean not run by them, but they have SCADA systems to get all their information Um, and that's what I did I did is right after 9 11 and I was worried about that stuff and um for the most part, uh, many of the governments Were about 50 percent there Um, and then the ones that weren't they just needed to learn some very basic things that I think people like me and you Or anybody watching the show probably knows like If you're worried about people hacking into your data network Don't use the internet Just use build your own stuff like that, but for the most part The SCADA systems are run by radio and they're fairly encrypted, especially the ones for Especially ones for gas and electric Water wastewater, they're decently encrypted. There's not much people can do to the water system. Um They could try try to Well, that's not much you can do I I guess you could try to like control one to like dump a lot of chlorine in the system And then you're make your water taste really bad for it. It's certainly not gonna well I guess you could impact data center cooling systems or some little Kind of maybe Yeah, hopefully not but you know, yeah, like I said though, I would like all of them to be all encrypted I guess that's my only reaction. Yeah. Yeah, and nice the nice part about some of those SCADA systems is They haven't upgraded them for a long time. So some of the equipment is so old that even hackers have no idea what to do because They don't have the security threat security. Okay, trust me. I well one of my clients I can't I'm gonna tell you who it was But one of my clients I had to help them find One of the circuit boards for one of their plc's that there's the units for the SCADA that they remote to like a plc would be like on the side of your house So the SCADA system can gain information and tell it to do something and that was so old I was looking everywhere. I had to find I found a system that was being rebuilt in the midwest And I they put all their equipment on ebay So I bought as much as I could so that would have a few more years of life because And no hacker could figure. I mean if I had to go that far Knowing everything I knew to find this one circuit board I don't think an hacker would figure out what to do because they wouldn't even know what the equipment was Because a lot of some of those older SCADA systems. They had their own proprietary language and everything so Some of that stuff is okay. Um, it's really just comes down to hopefully they're not connected to the internet Especially the wall Yeah, and that that is another issue is when you find that some of them have been And they're they're openly exposed or something like that That's one of the first things I use I do with every client when they have hire us to do that That's tell them just get off the internet and they're but we want our data I have ways to do that You don't need the internet we you can get to the information from the internet But don't connect to the internet. So I just you know, we've done things like you have a database server And then that wires To the database it gathers the information and then it does a batch at night to a server somewhere So you yeah control anything somebody can get the information, but I don't know what a hack is going to do with the water wastewater Volumes for your city for the next for the past 10 years. It's not going to do much, but right, right Yeah, so hopefully hopefully if they use common sense with their way their systems are set up They're fine. So well, I I still feel like Cloud companies have a way to go uh to to do especially things with privacy And and obviously because we've had a lot of outages recently. It's on your mind But uptime is still out numbering, you know, we're still in plenty of nines things like that But yeah, I'd just go back to what I said before don't rely exclusively on a cloud service And choose whoever going to use yeah wisely And then also the only thing I worried about Pay attention to politics because Even our government is trying to like muscle all the companies to allow Backdoors the shit which should be not even allowed So stuff like that makes more that's usually we're about more than a hacker going in because You know if they everybody knows that the government tells them they have to have a backdoor that every hacker's gonna go I there's one there. We'll figure it out. So you know like, you know an hour we'll figure it out All right, let's get to our pick of the day from Eric who heard us describing using graph paper For my room layout when I moved down here Wanted to share a great website He's used for the past few years called floor planner.com Which allows you to dimension a room and then pick premade models of furniture windows and other objects and place them Each object can be dimensioned to match whatever you will be placing and can also be easily rotated as well You can see exactly how everything fits and as a bonus the site has a 3d view mode that renders all the furniture So you can see I would look somewhat in real life It's free for a small number of layouts and a pro version is available that lets you do more and he says it works great Doesn't require any installation and easy to learn floor planner dot com I wish that that had existed or I'd known about it when I move You can use it for dnd if you if you're a dungeon master too. Totally. Yeah You might want to pay for the pro version. It might be worth it Send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Sonia was very excited. She is a co-executive producer of the show and wrote finally something I can actually claim expertise in communicating with young children as an elementary music teacher I see children from ages four to 11 and can say with confidence that in the 24 years I've been teaching I've definitely seen a deterioration of interpersonal skills directly proportional to the rise of technology I now daily have the children do polite practice at the beginning of each music class I greet them each by name. They need to greet me in return making eye contact This skill of face-to-face interaction can't be something taken for granted anymore I've had parents thank me for teaching their children to be polite Make eye contact when speaking and of course when we're done with that We immediately start working with the interactive whiteboard or iPads because I may be old, but I'm still a geek Uh, and I loved this because it was someone who was saying look, I've actually noticed we were talking about this on Monday I've noticed the effect, but it's not somebody who's now technophobic because of it. They're like, this is this is what we have to do Thank you, sonia Very cool. Yeah And then ben wrote in and said I live in cottage grove and while I can't find their coverage map at the moment You might consider light wire net a local wireless isp. He's talking about the guy from wisconsin We mentioned yesterday who built his house on the assurances that he could get cable or dsl And then he could only get three megabit per second dsl Ben was thinking like maybe light wire net could help It's based just south of madison. It's a ubiquity radio based wireless isp. I know the owners They're a great family business He's like I have bandwidth issues in rural cottage grove, but I live behind a hill So no light wire available for us and maybe this other guy in sun prairie Uh lives behind a hill as well But I thought that was great and maybe could be helpful to other people in wisconsin if you live near madison Maybe the thing you just need to have a really really big pole They could put their radio antenna up there and then doesn't matter if they're behind the hill or not Yeah up on top of the hill perfect time David bix on twitter was one of many people Who pointed out that there is a payment plan for the nexus phones if you sign up through google fi google fi provides a payment plan We were remarking yesterday that google didn't do a payment plan for their phones as apple has done But you can you can get it through their isp if you if you're in a place that has project fi And and it makes sense for you to sign up for google fi. You can get a payment plan that way And then finally uh toby We we mentioned his project before on the show wanted to write in and let us know it has become a reality So as of monday september 28th the pittsburgh international airport became the first airport in the world to have a robot repair shop fraily's robot repair at the pittsburgh international airport branch is a large-scale 600 square foot Retrofuturistic art installation Seemingly locked in time the installation will be on view in concourse a near gate 810 Through 2020 uh, so if you're headed through pittsburgh go take a look at that The images are at pitt robot repair dot com if you want to see it online And there's a press release we'll link to as well. Okay, congratulations toby. I'm glad uh, Glad you got your project up and running and it looks cool It reminds me of that that scene in star wars when they had the robot repair area with all the pro-town robots I had the uh, I had the robot repair play set. Yeah, and I was a kid that had take apart robots that you Uh, they you could they were really just putting your legs on and off, but it was good. Yeah, yeah Uh, well, that is it for the show. Derek Callenduno. Thank you so much uh for sharing your expertise with us today, man That was awesome. No problem If you like Derek's jib you like the cut of his jib Check out scepticality podcast folks scepticality.com It's a great show. It's you are the official podcast of skeptic magazine. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, the sceptic society Yeah, and the sceptic society. So, uh, I know that uh, you you interviewed The amazing randy at the last dragon con. 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Yeah, it's funny that that the whole The skada thing came up because that's the reason I have my job now. So that's I know it's perfect Uh, I know you didn't know that either No, I didn't know you were you you dealt specifically with skada I knew because you worked with water and wastewater that the cloud thing in general might apply but that was that was fantastic Here we have a skada workshop in my office. No kidding. Wow. Yeah, I don't deal with that Programming stuff anymore, but we have people who my company do so they have a whole like test bed thing for all the clients So it's kind of funny that around my office. We have these little PLC nodes that they purposely try to connect through Just to like, you know test things out Oh Well, those are my suggestions Um Like house of clouds. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I think that's the one Skada nice has got an honorable mention though How's that my opinion sway the vote? I will I will let your opinion sway the vote And I've got I think we're all in love with that title And now we'll have to marry it, but that's bigamy for you And me I guess me Right, you can't marry more than one way polygamy No, is it big when you marry more than one pig? No, not pigamy bigamy Bigamy, I'm sorry. I miss her Yeah, pigamy is this little people, right? Guys, I mentally tuned out for one second and you're talking about Do you see what happens you need to pay attention? What is going on? All I was trying to do was buy tickets for the march Look, I said where I'm in love with this title But we'll have to yeah pretty much explain Roger All right I'm back. Stop doing all that Roger, I said we're in love with the title. We have to marry it and then Roger said that was bigamy And then I misheard him too hilarious That makes all new friends Tom was looking for a punny excuse or something Maybe Maybe I was Perhaps you were just subconsciously. I wonder if you if you see things like a store Store a store name on a sign and think of something else just because it's like oh, there has to be a pun in there Um, you're you're not too far off actually. I can't help it Roger Tom have you ever spent time with lake smith at drag and come because that's what he does. Oh really? No, I haven't Yeah, the guy who does the sister show to mine. There's monster talk All right He runs that show and he's all about the fun There's your there's your skept your uh skeptrack, uh panel for me next time I'm sure you can just have me and him have a pun off I think we probably win He probably would I wouldn't know I I'd have to move that to different track, but I wouldn't know which one Okay, isn't there some like I'm trying to figure out how to tie puns into skepticism I think everyone's skeptical that they're funny Well, you know, I think I think that's blake's trying to you know fix that but yeah, yeah Skepta puns It would be a pun fest not a pun off There you go You'll need a crystal baller for that one. That'd be huge This crystal ball room is actually not that big. No, it's actually the perfect size For something like sword and laser Well, we can look like we fill the room The the funny part is the crystal ballroom is only about 80 seats bigger than my track room It's just wide Yeah, because your track room is so long you forget just how many people at seats a whole wing of the freaking hotel. So that's I'm that's why I was We wanted to get all three of the reality tracks back together And if we take over the salon rooms, we'd actually have nice big giant square rooms rather than that My track room is like an airplane Just pay the hand. So what are those three tracks? That are there now that know what are the three tracks that you would move in there? Oh, well, see we used to all be right next to each other the space science and skeptic tracks. Oh, okay Now we used to be right next to each other before and they move space upstairs It's a little more stairs. That's right. Okay. Well because the the The tracks across the hall unlike my side of the hall My side of the hall we can open up all the walls. That's why we have that big long room Right across the hall. Those are actually just solid walls all the way down Right, and then when you when you opened up and pushed podcast over then that that basically just took away a room You had somebody always see we kept pushing See we we pushed over a space track and we pushed over science and we pushed over podcasting So now they are in those rooms that you can't open up But so we the me the Steven grenade and Rain got together and we're all trying to push them to another all the those giant areas and the Where the salon and the grand ball rooms are if we take over that salon area Those three giant rooms right next to each other that we can take over then we have all the reality space science Skeptic stuff right next to each other. So reality space science Well, it's because we call the Hilton world the reality stuff for Dragon Con is The robotics EFF space science fiction. Yeah. Yeah The way to be at best like best friends forever No, yes That's all the good friends hang out. Yeah And they also had they used to have gaming as of next year the gaming's moving Um, so gaming's not reality Well, but it's not it's not fantasy or sci-fi. It's just People having fun. So Yeah, we lumped it into the end of the whole you know Reality stuff it's procedural fiction. They're creating a story as you play Blames Sherlock Holmes That's you know, that's the first books that ever did that Oh, cool beatmaster says For dragon con tv viewers I'm sorry dragon kind. I have dragon con on the brain for diamond club tv viewers There will be a show interviewing andy weir at 645 eastern by the sci-fi geek club Oh, cool. Well done sci-fi geeks club. That's awesome. Hey, I had an interview with him before they made all the huge amounts of spot the move Yeah, we we interviewed him early like around the same time that you guys did I think Yeah, and he was and he was just like kind of stunned at the success. I know at that point. It was awesome And I try to get him to the dragon con but he doesn't fly Oh, really? That's a super fever of flying Okay, so You're trying to get him to come by like bus but because he's so far away. He was like, yeah, that's a long That's a long Oh Wow, he doesn't that's I mean how ironic, right? I know that's like wait a minute So you're I told him I think in the interview I even said so basically you Your your whole fear of flying is basically encapsulated into that that book. Yeah It's like a catastrophization of his own fear. Yes, exactly What is going on? I just looked down at the chat room and I see darker demers saying to tinvec What's the difference between an entomologist and an entomologist an entomologist would know the difference Hmm. I don't know it got weird and it'll just bug the entomologist all day Exactly Didn't vec came back with the line. That's awesome. You guys It's not me. It's not me this time All right, I think I've got the the show published And hopefully it's actually going to show up an overcast today. We've had some issues with overcast and it's it's not us As far as I can tell because it doesn't affect downcast or Or iTunes, but I can't get it to download on my overcast either. So something was going on In the past when I've had inexplicable issues like that It's been some weird encoding of the mp3 So I just wiped out all the encoding that I use and started fresh with the settings that I know should work And I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed that that fixed it Not me. It's them It's it's something Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you later Thank you