 And actually finish these games within, you know, within, within a couple of weeks. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I feel accomplished, you know, there's a, there's a level of, only arcade game I ever finished was gauntlet. And that was at tech TV. Oh, yeah, that was gauntlet legends or something. Yeah. The one that was powered by 3D effects card. You got it there in the office in the studio. Yeah, yeah. GameSpot had put it out in the, in the hallway out by the bathroom. That's amazing. Yeah, by the bathroom. Just not the best version of gauntlet, but it's okay. I think they were GameSpot TV when they put it out there, but they were extended play or they were ex-play by the time. Yeah, they were ex-play by that time. Those were the day. Oh, remember, they had the other one, the fighting game, rival schools united by fate back when the fighter games were like all the rage. Remember playing Parappa the Rappa before it came out with Kate Batello. Because she did it to capture some gaming footage one time. Good times. Good times. Good times. Well, I think we're about ready to do this show today about today's topics. Nintendo. I have to say, I'm not going to do it justice because there was just too much good stuff. But the folks in our analysts slack, the DTNS bosses slack were hopping on the topic today about over-the-air broadcasting. Oh, good. Yeah, they were they were way into it. So there's all kinds of good stuff in there. If you are one of the slack members, go check it out. All right, shall we? I think we shall. Let's do. Here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to Daily Tech News show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, January 11th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt and joining me, Scott Johnson. It's good to have you alongside. Good to be here, man. Last time I talked to you, you were in a hotel in Vegas. This is a very different place that you're in now. This is like home and it's the opposite of a hotel in Vegas. Yeah, the very opposite of traveling. I trust you had a nice trip back that you were enlightened by your time in Las Vegas. Man, you know, conferences always just ravage people with concrete. And I'm looking on Twitter. We're talking to people that might be coming up on the show. Uh, and it is, it is just tearing a swath through the, through the tech press and the podcasters. Uh, and I feel like only being there two days may knock on wood have helped me escape. Yeah. Well, I always go with, uh, used to work at tested.com, but Will Smith, not the actor, but the tech reporter once said very wisely. I believe never touch your face at a conference and you'll be fine. And every time I've taken his advice, I don't get sick. So I think there's maybe something to it. And you're a guy who probably didn't touch his face. Well done. I tried not to touch anyone's face, including mine. Uh, we're going to talk about the fact that Norway is beginning its process of shutting down FM broadcasting. And that got Scott and I thinking about over the air broadcasting at all. But Brian brushwood, who I co-host cord killers with, among other things, uh, is one of the big proponents of like, we don't need over the air broadcasting anymore, but do we? So Scott and I are going to talk about that. Uh, got a few other things here. Amazon is going to have to pay a $1 million Canadian fine. That's 750,000 us to settle an investigation by the competition bureau into how it listed its discounts over regular prices. Adobe research unveiled a new software projects, which allows you to edit photos by voice. You just tell it to crop it, reframe it, share it. If you're wondering how that's going to work. It's just a concept, but Scott, eventually you can get rid of your Wacom tablet. Yeah. I'm, uh, maybe, maybe eventually it knows what I want to do, but right now I need like pixel perfect, uh, sort of control. This doesn't sound like it to me. We'll see. Yeah. Uh, by the way, I made a, uh, a point of saying Wacom because someone, uh, did not like my accent Wacom Wacom, yeah. Uh, alphabet told business insider it is ending its project, exploring delivering internet by solar powered drone. Alphabet sees project loon as a more promising way to connect rural and remote parts of the world. So alphabet just keeps on whittling down its projects. It's not getting rid of all of them. It's just figuring out which ones it wants to place its bets on. Apparently project loon is the winner. They've got the money. They can throw it at these things and find out. I really like that they do this. So I'm not disappointed. I mean, I'm a little disappointed. I think the idea is cool, but hey, find the better thing, keep moving. It's all good. Project wing UAV delivery is also, uh, continuing. So some people that were working on the UAV solar powered, uh, internet will be working on project wing instead. Now here's some more top stories. Facebook announced the Facebook journalism project Wednesday, describing upcoming features for publishers and readers. Facebook will make access to crowd tangle. That's a tool that helps journalists monitor social trends free for partners. So publishers get access to it. Story packages is another feature that'll allow news outlets to package related stories together and have users subscribe to notifications when those digests are released. Instant articles can now have a checkbox offering a free trial to a news organization's paid subscription. They're going to try that out with build a German publisher. And Facebook also said it will invest in local news, hold publisher hackathons to develop new features, produce public service announcements about news literacy, as well as adding features for live video and other training efforts. So if there was any question in anyone's mind, whether or not Facebook was interested in their role as, um, a news platform or a place where people want to get their news or should be getting their news, uh, I think this sort of helps answer that clearly they do. Um, I think this is a good thing. And these are, these are all, uh, interesting innovations and stuff. I'd probably subscribe to, I really like the idea of sort of a digestive things I'm interested in. Uh, so we'll see how that goes, but it's just interesting to see this kind of effort in the shadow of the previous year, the very self-same social network being accused of harboring or being a place where fake news could flourish and, um, I don't know, maybe these are steps in a direction that'll, that'll help solve some of that or fix some of that. I was not going to fix me or my weird neighbor right in something weird, so I don't know how we fix that or disseminating that fake news, but perhaps this curbs that a bit. By the way, fake news, I believe is when someone invents the story themselves. Uh, that's, that's what Facebook is calling hoax news, which I think might be a better word for it. Uh, incompetent journalism is when someone takes something else without verifying it and reports it. Uh, so we, we've got, we've got Facebook getting into the business of working with publishers. Part of me agrees with you, Scott, a hundred percent. It's good to like help publishers improve journalism. Part of me doesn't want Facebook to have this much power though. Well, I'll admit, there's a part of me that's saying the same thing. Um, I think that, I think that there's money to be made here. Um, I think we're now entering that phase in Facebook's, um, it's lifespan where that, that's what they're going to do. They're going to take what they have and they're going to go in there with a, with a fine tooth cone with really smart people who are good at sessing out new opportunities and they're going to troll for them. And I don't mean trolling in the internet way, right, right. But they're going to go out there and they're going to, they're going to, let's say put a rake in there and see what they can find. This is a thing to find. I mean, a lot of people go there as, as if it's their internet. This is where my mom gets most of what she gets from the internet. So, uh, monetizing that or figuring out a way to harness that stuff. So it's more easily monetizable. Makes a lot of sense financially, but there is a part of me that's like, yeah, we're already kind of walled garden enough. Let's not put up new walls. Yeah. This is the effort that Campbell Brown was brought on to head up. I don't know how much influence she had on it before this announcement. She hasn't been there very long, but, uh, but Campbell Brown will be the person driving this. And I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with the project. I guess what I have a problem with is that Facebook needs to do this, that they are that dominant in our perceptions of news and are setting the agenda agenda setting has moved from the province of the front page of your newspaper or your local TV news headlines to Facebook. And I'm worried that it's just Facebook, at least in the United States and, and Europe, maybe. Uh, well, and not only that, you're two layers deep now. It was the, it was the, uh, the province of your headline on your newspaper that you printed then. And for a long time, it's been the province of the headline on the website that is the sister blog to your newspaper. And now that's all being circumvented and going straight to Facebook. And it's leaving those other two methods or outlets behind in, in a way that is not, I don't find it all that comfortable. I, like, if I'm honest about this, I, I kind of hope, I kind of hope whatever they're doing right now is more about, I guess, accuracy, fairness and not letting their platform become a place where a lot of garbage can be spewed or more than it already is, but it's probably not about that. So long as, you know, as long as what they consider garbage, I also consider garbage, right? That's where it becomes a problem. They're going to change. Instagram, a favorite of many social networkers announced Wednesday, we'll roll out a full-screen auto play video ad or ads to its stories feature and they're going to do it this week. 30 ad partners will participate at launch before it is offered globally in a couple of weeks. The ads appear in the same format and length as stories made by the users similar to how Snapchat inserts ads in the my story feature over there on Snapchat. Instagram says it has over 150 million daily active users of stories. And that's up 33% since October when I think it launched. Wasn't that October when it launched? Pretty sure. Um, I don't remember now exactly. Maybe it was before that, but yeah, I, you know what? I have to make some, some anecdotal, uh, uh, offer of evidence here. A lot of my friends who used to use Snapchat as their place to do quote unquote stories are now doing it all on Instagram. And, um, there's some holdouts and that's great. Or, or they're doing both because they've got, you know, whatever established communities on both, but, um, seeing a lot of that happened on Instagram. So time to monetize it. I'm doing a, an Instagram story about Instagram stories right now on my phone. So you could follow me on Instagram to get that. Uh, you know, I, I was really religiously, um, posting to, to Snapchat regularly. And then I just sort of fell out of the habit. Maybe I'm just old and maybe that's the division is people who are already using Instagram get it and now get Instagram stories. And the question was, well, will that work? And will they stick around? And, and what this tells me is not only will they stick around, but turns out that Instagram will be able to monetize it too. And Snapchat is monetizing it. Well, it's not like Snapchat's hurting. Right. And it's not, it's, it's not as if, I mean, here's the, here's the big win for me. And this is why I think Snapchat has to be careful. Um, Instagram already has a lot of sort of tendrils that go out in different directions. If I want to put a photo up on Instagram, I can very simply and easily share that to Flickr, Twitter and Facebook. And the Facebook integration is pretty good because they are owned by Facebook. So of course that seemed like that would be pretty solid. Not so much with Twitter, but it still works. So that kind of connectivity across platforms just makes things simple. So when they come along and say, Hey, now you can do stories and filters and all the stupid stuff we used to do and over on, on Snapchat, I think to myself, oh, all right. So I can do that one thing that I could only do at Snapchat. I can do that here now also, but also all this stuff is saveable. I can shoot it off to other people. I can do time, time-based messages and photos to people that I want to go after awhile or whatever, all those advantages of Snapchat. But I've also got these, like I say, tendrils out to these other things I use. So to me, it's a huge advantage. And even though, and they've been pretty open about it, they came right out and said, yeah, we're doing features and services that are just like our competitors. And sure, thanks Snapchat for the great idea. We're taking it in a new direction and whatever. I mean, they haven't really been, they've been pretty bald-faced about it, but the big advantage they have over some of these other services is Snapchat is still, for all intents and purposes, a pretty closed ecosystem. I just Snapchat it about us talking about it. Oh, good. I'm glad you do that. Just to balance it out. For meta, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if, I always wondered if the Instagram, the Instagram difference with Snapchat was, you have to make it look beautiful on Instagram. And Snapchat's like, Hey, it's temporary. It goes away. You don't have to worry so much about it. And stories seem to be an effort to say, well, you can also do it that way here now. And that seems to have worked. Yep. Tuesday, Chris Latner, the developer behind LLVM and the lead on Apple's Swift programming language announced he was leaving Apple and Tesla announced he would become their VP of autopilot software. So they snagged one of Apple's top software developers and put them in charge of the self-driving car software aspect for Tesla. And then Wednesday, former Apple director of product design, Matt Casebolt, updated his LinkedIn profile to list himself as the senior director of engineering closures and mechanisms at Tesla Motors. Casebolt left Apple back in December. He worked on the mechanical design of several Mac products, including the original MacBook Air. That hinge was him. Hmm. Yeah, those are two big hires for Tesla. What, uh, I mean, it's easy to look at this news about two of these guys, two higher ups, really talented dudes, uh, leaving Apple and moving over to Tesla, but there's no trend in this. Is there, we're not seeing a mass existence of top talent from Apple leaving to go work on cars. It's, it's a trickle, but people are leaving Apple and people are noticing that at the same time, not, not too long ago last summer, Tesla was having to say, sure, Apple is hiring all these Tesla engineers for some sort of secret car project, but they're the people who couldn't cut it at Tesla. That's why they're going to Apple. So this does tend to be a little bit of a gossipy story. People leave jobs and go to other jobs for all kinds of reasons. And it may be that, you know, like Tony Fidel left Apple and ended up going to, to start Nest. Maybe these guys were just sort of like, you know what, I just have reached the end of my usefulness here and I want to new challenge something outside of Apple. And, and actually, um, Latin or said that he's going to remain a part of Swift. It's an open source project. So he's going to, he intends to be active in the open source community for Swift. What's interesting about it is that, um, how would it be that your options, like these guys are fine, everybody. There's not some kind of weird rumbling happening. We're talking about two of the most exciting places to probably work in their fields in the world. And what an awesome opportunity it is to have to jump between those two. So good on them and good luck to them both. The US Department of Transportation has lifted a requirement that airlines notify passengers that the Samsung Galaxy Note seven is prohibited from being carried aboard US flights. They don't have to tell you anymore. The FAA notes, uh, that's funny. No pun intended. There is a high degree of public awareness of the band. Samsung says more than 96% of Note seven devices have been returned so far, uh, that combined with the feeling that the word has been disseminated enough. They are no longer going to warn you. That does not mean, however, that, uh, flight attendant can't walk up and go, sir, you can't have that phone. Oh, no, it's still bad. Yeah. No, absolutely. It's just like, you know, they don't say before every flight, uh, remember, you're not allowed to have explosives with you. They assume you know that, uh, you've seen that warning when you bought your ticket. So I think that's that's what's going on here. I think the more significant part of this is that 96% of the Note seven devices have been returned. I was a little surprised that the number was that high, having seen Reddit threads and emails from people saying, Hey, you know what, I have a really good reason in my unique case to keep my note seven. Uh, but it sounds like all the efforts to educate people and to shut down the capabilities of the note seven have paid off. I mean, 96% is, is, is a high, high percentage when you consider some people just are going to want to keep it because they think it's funny to have a round or they forgot they have it or whatever. Sure. But also I don't, I, it's so high. I'm a little skeptical of that number. And I don't know why I have any reason to be. It just seems, that seems really high and very efficient and also so expensive. Like I know this really hit Samsung where it hurts. And I know that, uh, both from a PR and it just a raw cost standpoint on recalls like this, it's an enormous undertaking for them. I totally get that, but 96%. I just think there are people who are like, eh, hasn't caught on fire yet. I'll keep it till it does. Well, you talk about several million sold. That's 96%. 4% is still a large number of those kicking around, uh, of people who just want to keep it. Yeah. Well, I had one. I don't, but if I had one and it was my secondary device, I'd probably keep it. Just, just to see you keep it in a fireproof case. Yeah. Cause I feel like it is one of those things that collectors item. You're such a hoarder. It'll be like antenna gate or maybe worse than that, obviously, because everybody had to return them. But if you're going to open up the box, you've been keeping it in all these years to show it to somebody. And it turns out it just burned up. You never even knew it. You hope it's just molten plastic in there, you know, exactly. Microsoft's been under the gun from a lot of people, including some governments about changing how it presents privacy options in the installation of Windows 10. So it's going to roll out a new interface starting with the creator's update. And if you're one of the people that's using the insider builds for previews, you should get that pretty soon. In place of the express settings, that's the one that annoyed people because you had to click multiple times to go in and turn off the privacy violations. You had to, if you didn't want to send stuff to Microsoft, if you didn't want to be tracked for ads, you had to click a few times into it, there's not going to be a new screen that'll show up right in front of you called choose privacy settings for your device. It'll have on off sliders for location, speech recognition, tailored experiences and relevant ads. And then the diagnostics option, you won't be able to turn it off still, but you'll have a full or basic option. And the basic option is now reduced. The basic option will strictly send error messages, not usage data. Before the basic option would send a little bit of app usage data. And there was no way to turn it all the way off. So this is closer to being able to turn it all the way off. All those settings and more detail controls will also be available under the privacy heading in settings after installation as well. Will this pop up the second I open windows after the update? Is that the idea? Yeah, the idea is they're going to do it on upgrades as well to say, Hey, here are your options. You want to review them because some people were noticing that when they upgraded the privacy options changed and they never had a chance to review them. So yeah, that that that should happen too. I hope they get rid of it one day. They'll get rid of that message after a big update that says don't turn off your computer still working. Don't worry. All your stuff is right where you left it. I hate that message so bad. Why does that bother you? That's reassuring. Like, hey, don't worry. We didn't delete your data. I it's a it's a it should be a given. They should not have to tell me. Don't that's not meant for you and me, though. I know what I hate it so much. I realize that and I know that I know and they're also being a little cheeky. And that's what people do. I don't know if anyone's read like slack patch updates lately. They're hilarious and lighthearted and fun and serious about fixes and all that. And so I totally get the thing. But I just I don't like them saying like it's like somebody saying, here, come rent our storage unit and don't worry. All your stuff safe in there. We're not. It's all good. Well, that's probably that. I was I want them to say that. I don't know. I feel like it should be a given. They shouldn't have to tell me. I started protesting too much for your taste. Yes, like they were doing something with my data while I wasn't looking. I wouldn't touch it. Yeah. All right. Well, indeed is the next story for sure. I was going to do a better transition than that indeed.com published data on the state of jobs within the gaming industry. Posting for game developer positions have declined at 65 whopping percent since twenty fourteen. That's quite a bit, although this does not account for independent studios, which if you really did the math and knew all the angles, you probably see a lot of people who left the industry to do their own projects on their own. So I think that's probably significant. But anyway, in that same time span, searches for game developer positions rose 50 percent to sort of counter that or help support the fact that many were lost. A and V are related jobs saw a boom with searches up 1500 percent and postings up 400 percent job postings in eSports also showed a 40 percent overall increase since 2014. That jives in my head with the increased interest in eSports and also watching these companies do things that would require jobs in eSports. But it's very interesting because it's kind of like a interesting mix of both negative and positive developer slash designer employment news for the gaming industry. Yeah, it's mixed results. I mean, obviously companies are consolidating companies like Konami going out of business. That means there's going to be fewer people creating games, fewer games being created. And you could argue that there were way too many games being created anyway. So maybe it's good that development jobs are shifting away from from games and into more productive parts of the sector because overall development jobs are there. It's just not the video game ones that that are booming right now. If you're in a growth industry like a R and V are you've got more options, although there's a lot more people looking for them than there are jobs. And it's interesting to see eSports kind of pulling in the gap and saying, hey, here's here's a job that didn't exist before. And a lot of times we talk about, oh, when a new technology comes along, sometimes it gets rid of an old job, but creates new jobs that people can move into. And this is a perfect example of that. Game developer jobs may be reduced, being reduced, but those game developers play games and they may be able to move into an eSports job because they understand how games are put together. Maybe they're a good enough gamer that they can get a little following on Twitch and get into eSports or maybe become a caster. So this is a this is an example of that happening right in front of your eyes. Yeah, totally. Not only that, being big studios with big triple A titles, that's a thing that is waning. And what you're seeing instead in their place are lots and lots and lots of little independent titles, also huge shifts to mobile development. And sometimes that's like one or two guys. In fact, in a lot of those cases, those are one of two guys. One guy made a game called Star D Valley in 2016. It was one of the most successful financially successful games on Steam for the year. And it's one guy. Now he's on other platforms and he's doing great. So the point is what you're doing is you're seeing less. Well, basically our our demand for this entertainment has just been spread out to a lot of other ways of getting it in casual ways and more portable ways and certainly in more independent ways. And we're not relying on those five or six giant huge titles that come out every year with 300 person teams. So I think I think this is just a natural transition. And this time that they're talking about from 2014 till now totally fits with what you've seen anecdotally in the news and in layoffs and studio closures and and consolidations and all that stuff. So well, and game companies not adding staff as fast to not necessarily getting rid of people all the time, but just just not not growing anymore. If you're a game developer out there and you've got a perspective on this, we'd love to hear about it. I'd like to know your first hand experience feedback at Daily Tech News show.com. If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes, you got to go subscribe to Daily Tech headlines.com. All right. At 11 11 a.m. Wednesday, FM broadcasting in Bode, Norway ceased leaving only digital audio broadcasting. Now analog broadcasting in the entire country are set to be ended by the end of the year. So they're starting at the north and the north end and working their way down. A lot of people very upset about this about 66% of Norwegians are not in favor of this transition. And one of the reasons is a third of cars in Norway have digital audio broadcasting receivers. The other two thirds of the cars are going to have to buy adapters and those cost a couple hundred dollars if you want to keep getting your radio. Now, obviously there's something to talk about regarding Norway and FM radio, but this brings up a bigger question because we're doing a wireless spectrum option in the United States where the FCC moved television stations to other channels even took away some licenses that weren't being used and they're trying to auction them off to wireless networks. We have other countries looking at retiring FM radio broadcasting and that's going to become a bigger trend. I've got a lot of thoughts on this and a lot of stats to back it up, but let's start the conversation, Scott, by just answering the question. Do you think we need over the air? And if so, for how long? Well, all right, I'm of two minds. The prominent one is probably the one that is always worried about a little bit of redundancy and I like redundancy. I like the idea that we have a backup plan. Now, when you're talking about over the air broadcasting, we're not just talking about top 40 music or clear channel channels playing the best country songs of the week or any of this stuff. Because that's the part of me that says, Yeah, I don't care. Get rid of it. I'm all digital all the time. But there's this other part of me that says there are a lot of other uses for over the air broadcast. There's a lot of reasons why telling a bunch of people who are in an emergency emergency situation or something like that, everybody get to FM channel 88.8 because that's where the information is going to be about where you need to go and what you need to do. So I think about those kinds of things and I feel like it's the sort of thing he shot is just kind of keep back there and hang on to it and maintain it as, you know, as cheaply as possible. But but from a mainstream standpoint when it comes to like music and entertainment and all the other sort of over the air things we do. I'm already living in that world. I don't I can't tell you the last time I turned the radio on. It's all streaming from devices. It's satellite. It's something else for me and has been for such a long time that I'm I'm feeling like I want redundancy in an area that I have not needed redundancy in about seven years. So so it's weird to feel this way about it because I'm kind of again of both minds. But but part of me is just for the safety of like, you know, for the same reason that a landline still matters in a world of mobile telephones because if mobile networks get completely jammed up during a horrible emergency and nobody can get to any emergency services, thank goodness, there's copper and landline so that we can get around that. To me, I'm thinking about that in the same way. So maybe there's not a all or nothing baby in the bathwater solution to this. Maybe we can just, you know, phase out, I guess the the the less impactful societal ones then and hang on to it for those for that rainy day when we might need it. Yeah, I don't think most of you would argue that eventually some kind of wireless broadcasting would be better as a two way system. However, there's some there are some good arguments against that. That said, I think the question is, well, but when do you retire a system? Because the trade off is if people are still using it, we shouldn't retire it. But at the same time, we might not be able to develop the wireless internet replacement for it as fast if we don't have the spectrum for that. And everybody's always complaining about there's not enough spectrum. And one way to get the spectrum is to stop using these broadcasts that fewer people use. So to me, the question becomes availability. If you're saying, okay, at a certain point, we have to retire an older technology to encourage the newer technology and give it space to grow. Then when when is the availability the same? So you can tell people, look, we know you're used to this old technology, but you can get this new technology fairly easily. And right now, according to an analysis of the FCC's mapping, about 90% of the US population is within range of at least one digital television antenna. I'm going to look at television for this example. Whereas 81.3 percent of the US has an LTE signal available as of November 2016. Because I'm talking about television, I'm going to I'm going to look at LTE simply because yeah, okay, if you have a 3G signal, you can get some video, but LTE is a is an equivalent television. You can get some HD video over LTE. Because if you look at 3G, that number goes above. There are more people have access to a 2G or 3G signal that have access to over the air television. And I think that tells you something. LTE is going to continue to expand this year and it's going to pass the availability of digital television. So you would start to think, OK, well maybe it's time, maybe it's time to just tell people, hey, you know what, we've got inexpensive LTE phones out there. You can hook them up to televisions. This is the new way to do it. However, the FCC has had a hard time getting wireless companies to bid on the freed up spectrum from TV license holders. All those all those telcos were saying, ah, we don't have enough spectrum. We don't have enough spectrum until the spectrum was there. And they're like, yeah, we don't pay that much for it. Broadcasters and wireless companies have been far apart in price with forward auction bidders failing to move off their stage one price of little over $20 billion, while broadcasters continue to drop their price from 86 billion in stage three, or from 86 billion in stage one to 40 billion in stage three. So in other words, if that didn't make any sense to you, the telcos have been saying, we'll pay 20 billion total for this spectrum. And the TV people like, well, what about 80 billion? What about 40 billion? And the telcos aren't budging. So the fourth stage of this auction, which has been going on for about a year now, will start on January 18. So where does that affect your opinion, Scott? All right. So I mean, you basically just described a scenario where there's a better method, right? Like if it's LTE and there's a broader spectrum to purchase buy and get your hands on, then that's probably where this stuff should go. Certainly if it already outpaces digital TV reception. But is it in there, and this is purely hypothetical, but is it in the carrier's best interest to continue to exist in a world where the general perception of the buying public, when you say the word LTE or 4G to me, I think of expensive annual phone plans. You think of data caps, right? Right. I don't think of, ooh, that's a new place to hear and see the things I get. But is T-Mobile in the United States anyway? Is T-Mobile changing that? Because now all their plans are unlimited and video stopped counting against your data cap from a lot of sources already. Right. I mean, that's where it starts. And then, you know, I mean, competition drives the sort of thing. Let's hope that that's enough in a very limited competitive environment when it comes to wireless carriers. But that perception, just like you need to pay us money per text or back in the old days, you need to pay us money for long distance calls because they're so far away, so much cost involved with these long distance calls. If I've learned anything in my adult life is that that was complete bunk. Like the whole thing in my childhood of the best long distance rates with AT&T was just this weird little, let's skim a little extra money out of everybody kind of trick because now virtually doesn't exist. So in my mind, it's also a perception thing and consumers being educated in that way and not hearing the word or hearing the acronym LTE and immediately jumping to, oh, well, that's a phone thing. What does that have to do with my radio or my TV or my anything other than my I don't watch TV on my phone is an old person's reaction, but it is a reaction that's going to be around for a while. Right, exactly. So I mean, even I'm having this happen, there's a dissonance in my head that says LTE phones, digital television antennas. I get it, right? broader spectrum, radio spectrum, all that stuff is a different place than LTE. LTE is this the small controlled thing that Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile and others forget about LTE, though, what if it is we've blanketed close to 100% of the country in internet and you can get your television and your radio over the internet now, wherever you go, whether it's at home or on the go, forget about LTE because I brought up LTE as part of my example. But what if that was the proposition? Well, so, so, but doesn't that clash directly with other preconceived notions about how internet should be paid for. So in other words, if I get into my car right now, I've paid for my car, I've paid for the radio that's in my car, I paid for the gas that I'm using to get somewhere. And so I can turn on the radio and hear whatever I want to hear and flip around. And it's commercially supported stuff that I'm not having to pay some limit or have a cap to or any of those things. If that's what you're telling me is on its way, then absolutely that's the way everybody should go. And that's where we should be. But they're going to wireless internet is not going to be free. You're absolutely right. Yeah. But let me introduce, right? Let me introduce you to 80 SC 3.0. 80 SC 3.0 is the next version of television broadcast standard. It has been in the works for a long time, and they keep trying to update it so that it can take advantage of the latest technologies. And there's a lot of controversy over when it's actually going to be rolled out to broadcasters. But 80 s 3.0 80 SC 3.0 includes 4k broadcasting. So free over the air 4k and possibly HDR broadcasting, they may be able to work HDR into the spec can integrate with the internet for things like ad delivery, so that if you do have an internet connected television and you're getting a free over the air 80 SC 3.0 signal, it could customize ads to you, which is more valuable makes free over the air broadcasting more monetizable. But here's the catch. It'll be IP based, not an MPEG stream, which means that it can allow things like encryption and access restrictions, as well as video on demand. So that free over the air signal can suddenly be locked up and maybe not free. Yeah, I mean, everything you described up to that point is is awesome. That also doesn't have the cognitive dissonance of saying it's LTE or 4g. Like there's a lot of advantages to everything you just told me, except for I mean, yeah, video on demand. Great. I think protecting people's IP is great. Like the idea of protecting your your product, your whoever owns the rights to the thing that you're showing if this helps them protect that great, but it all smells like smelly, smelly already a DRM again to me is a little bit there. Well, once you can encrypt the digital broadcast, and this could happen to audio as well as television broadcast, a lot of the advantages that people are touting about over the air broadcast go away, which is like, oh, it's easy for people to get I can get it with legacy equipment, etc, etc, etc. And ATSC 3.0 is not backwards compatible, but for the time being, broadcasters would still broadcast in the older ATSC one at the same time. But we're it stops being about spectrum at this point. It starts to be about protocol. And at a certain point, you're starting to argue that no one should update their protocol. We should use the older protocols to broadcast because we like the way they work. And the fact of the matter is businesses aren't going to want to do that. They're going to want to give you a digital signal because they have more control over it. Yeah, totally. I mean, if you're telling me that that that this this standard with those kinds of controls, I mean, there's no way it's going to be free when I'm getting it. Like, I'm not going to be able to I mean, maybe I can get my local channels because maybe there'll be some federal regulations that just make sure that we have access to basic services like public television and local affiliates or whatever. So that stuff will always sort of be there. But there's no there's no broad future where a bunch of really rad commercially supported options are going to be available to me through ATSC 3.0 without somebody wanting to control that or get some money in there. And again, I don't blame them. This is business. I get it. They got to they got to try to figure out ways to monetize this stuff. But I just this feels like a situation where that gets a little weird and pushing people towards other kinds of spectrums that already sort of are confusing in the marketplace because we have caps on them or we have pre you know, these notions of what they're supposed to be for that stuff gets really hairy and it's hard for the public to know what to do right now. You just turn your radio on and it picks something up or it doesn't. And that's what and we're moving away from that. And I guess my point is even the old ways of doing things are going to move away from that eventually. So then the question becomes does Facebook's ocula or Alphabet's Project Loon or any of these these satellite companies that are competing to provide better high broadband internet coverage to the world? Do they provide enough competition to where we can have low priced or maybe even free tiers of internet access? And that goes into things like Facebook all access where they give you zero rated services. And then if you don't pay for a connection, all of these things being created for developing countries for rural areas, do they make it so that we can have some sort of emergency system? Or is an emergency broadcast system antiquated on radio and TV? You know, the argument runs like, Hey, I've got an FM radio that works in an emergency. I don't have a mobile phone that works in an emergency. You know, the battery is going to die. Is that is there a place for a crank charged mobile phone that can receive emergency text messages? And is that better for us than having a specialized piece of equipment that can't be supported anymore on FM radio because nobody's listening to it. And all all all the people are moving over to using text messages anyway, and you can push out text messages, messages to people and in emergencies. There's a lot of discussion to be had there as well. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that you can go too far in trying to keep things legacy and and completely missed the point of it. Also, it's a chicken and egg problem. If I don't know about the the emergency, is it because I have an old FM radio that's in the garage that I never turn on in case of emergencies? But it's not on because I don't know. So how did I find out on my phone or not? Maybe I did. Maybe the radio did me no good at all. But now that I'm in the bunker, my only option is the radio. And that's not being supported anymore. Like it's it's not an easy solution. There's nuance to this to this argument. And I would love I would love to be able to jump 20 years ahead and just say, oh, OK, this is what we did. Yeah, getting there is going to be feeling the idea is that we got to keep these broadcasts going for a while. ATSC 3 has been coming for so long. I don't think it's coming any time soon. It's going to be a couple of years anyway. And I have a feeling there will be some kind of new service. And I don't even know what it is. I don't know if it's a wireless service, a 5G service or what is Project Loon that is going to change the argument about this in a way that we can't anticipate. That's usually what happens. I mean, over the air broadcasting and the technology they're in was a complete game changer. Internet and how it works is a complete game changer. This probably is going to need one of those. And just like those other two things, you might be able to see the primordial bits of it. But usually it's in retrospect. Yeah, Gautam says that someone who lives in hurricane country FM radio is still really important because that's the system that's been developed. And the question is, is that the right system at a point when people stop listening to FM radio for music? Do you still want to use it for your emergencies or do you move that emergency notification system somewhere else? Because before FM radio, what did you do? I mean, the way here is fast, I guess. But yeah. Sure. The other way, the way it used to be was like, all right, I'm listening to Elvis or whatever. And they would break in. News break. It's been told that there's a tsunami and that you would, this is how you would know. Yeah. That's, we don't do that now. I don't have a radio on that's going to suddenly. No, I get Amber alerts on my text message. So there's no reason I couldn't get a tornado warning. There you go. And probably there are places that do we don't want to assume they don't. But the point is that, you know, to say that we need these old ones is to say that it isn't to say they didn't serve their purpose, but it's time maybe to, I don't know. Yeah, our K conversation we have before the show because at some point relying on FM radio for your emergency right now, it's, it's essential. I get that in many areas. But at some point, it becomes relying on something old and hard to manage. And then it's not the best way to do it. And we're kicking around is at what point does that actually happen? And I saw here, strike it rich asked a question that a lot of people are asking, does this affect AM radio in Norway? There is no AM radio in Norway. They already got rid of that. So there you go. They don't have any crappy talk radio then. Good. Yeah. At least not on AM. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot Reddit dot com. A quick message from Alan before we're out of here. We were talking about that LG phone with the 18 nine aspect ratio. He said the most interesting thing to me about that LG phone is that it's described as 18 nine instead of two one. So people know it's bigger than 16 nine marketing prevails over math. That's awesome. I love that because we are getting to that point where our ratios are people. I mean, look, there's a national there's a natural human thing where we're like we want bigger numbers. That's how we know progress is happening, even though it's just the same. So I'm all for this to let's reset it to one. It's a squishing we need to push these numbers. I think Alan's got a point. There's a marketing reason to do this. I also think for comparison's sake, it is it is there's an argument to be said, even if you're not doing it for marketing, so that people immediately get Oh, it's 18 nine, that's bigger than 16 nine, I immediately can picture it. Whereas you say two one you're making people do the math to figure it out. So again, it just sounds tiny compared to 18. Yeah, it does even though it shouldn't. I thank you, Scott Johnson, as always what you got going on tell folks about. Well, I'm excited to let people know going in fact, we're simul casting this on the channel right now. Things have gone a little nuts for me on Twitch over a twitch.tv slash frog pants. The channel was partnered. That means a lot of things. It means you guys can have control over the quality settings so you can adjust it depending on your bandwidth. You can subscribe to the show and help support that direction. There's going to be a ton of new stuff over there and there already is so catch all the podcast there. Lots of gaming, lots of art creation. In fact, right after the show, I'm writing right into this week's comic you guys going to be able to watch me make it. So there's a lot of creative happening. Of course, a lot of gaming and of course the podcast. So if you have not yet gone over there and followed the channel at the very least, I might recommend it. Go over to twitch.tv slash frog pants today. Check it out. I remember that this show is distributed far and wide because we don't rely on commercials for our support. We rely just on you. If you can support us in any way, we sincerely appreciate it. Daily tech news show dot com slash support. Thanks to the backers of the show like Joshua Roth, Bill Simoni and Andy Sugru who all support us at patreon.com slash D T N S couldn't do without you guys. Our email addresses feedback daily tech news show dot com we're live Monday through Friday for 30 p.m. Eastern at alphankeek radio dot com and diamond club dot TV and our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with Justin Robert Young alongside talk to you then this show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants dot com diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this. That was fun conversation. Yeah, it was. I was it's funny because it opens up a bunch of questions and made it made actually it's kind of one of the most perfect topics we've had. I really liked it. But that was a great. I wish I'd seen Gouchum's point about some smartphones still have an fm built in. That's true because atc three one of the things you could do with it is build it into a smartphone. So then you could get a high quality 4k broadcast without using your data plan. That's true. And I know, you know, never really took off but HD radio was supposed to be a big thing. I don't know what that is that part of the spectrum even is what even even at this point means anymore. But maybe some of that stuff still hanging around. So yeah, I mean there's just and there's also you know entire industries who depend on what's out there for their business to continue to move. And you can't do this stuff super fast. You can't just yank the carpet out. Despite the people standing on it. So it'll take time. Yeah. Another Jay Martin found a report that South Korea adopted atc three in the summer and I'm reading it real quick because my suspicion here is that that doesn't mean anyone's broadcasting in it because the spec isn't finalized. But also the way you the way you describe to me and I admittedly don't know a ton about it but atc 3.0 sounds like a long tail, long haul kind of idea. Like clearly they're not if they're not ready to put it out and it's been in development that long. They don't see it as a band-aid solution. Like they want this long term solution maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I mean because be honest the the idea of spending a lot of money to update a standard for over the air broadcasting is not a slam dunk for a lot of television executives even on the local level. No. Totally agree. Titles. Yeah. What we got for titles? Leading the pack at six is Norway says FM to FM. Instaspamp. You can play at this game. Let me see. Norway Bork's FM radio. Let's get digital digital. No. Bjork is is from Iceland. Isn't she? Yeah. She's Icelandic. Oh Bork not not never. Oh Bork the BORKS. Right. But isn't that the I thought they were making a joke. No. You would need the umlaut over her. Yeah. Bjork should be Bjork. Norway Bjork Borg's FM radio. Don't confuse them. Besides it was was it. No. No. Norway did used to own Iceland or something. Oh, I like the analog epilogue is. Oh, that's that's poetic. I see you. Yeah. There's also pump up the analog radio. What would Christians later say? Fruit of the loon digital killed the radio star? What would Christian Slater say? Oh, because a pirate radio pump up. Wasn't a pump of the volume? Yeah. What's it? The name of the it was written by Tarantino. People don't remember that. I think that was. Yeah. Um, but Norway says FM FM to FM leads the pack. It. By two votes to the closest. Uh, the analog epilogue just follows the entire conversation. So then I will vote for it. So it too can meet Norway says FM to FM. All right. Analog epilogue. Let it be written or let it so to set. So let it be written. Votes are still coming in from Norway says FM to FM, which is a tie. It's a tie. Besides, when's the last time you there have been plenty of things that were. Yeah, this is not a democracy. We just pick what we like. Your your votes help us break ties, essentially. Your votes influence the electoral committee. Yeah, room, who I screwed up. It's not pump up the volume. There's a Tarantino movie that I thought Christian Slater was in. Oh, you think destiny turns on the radio? Oh, no, you're thinking of the one with with the Dennis Hopper. I know what you're talking about. Christian Slater, he he wrote it in the Dennis Hopper. True romance. True romance. That's it. That's the one that's where she takes the she holds up a little that screwdriver. I don't know why a wine opener like she does that. He wrote that and didn't he write that that Oliver Stone thing with Woody Harrelson and what's her name? That's what I think he wrote that too. And I hated. I like that movie when it's on the theater. And then when I just re-saw it in the I wasn't thrilled by it. Anonymous person in the chat room says our title selection is like NBA All-Star voting. 50 percent public, 50 percent media and the players. Oh, I always thought players. I always thought it was the owners or maybe I think of the NFL. All those sports teams have N or some other N or M. Not Major League Baseball. N or M. Who has M besides Major League Baseball? Major League Soccer. Fair point. Forgot about MLS. They were imitating MLB, I think. It's the N's and the M's. N and N's. Actually, I've always wondered why it's M and M's and not. I mean, it's their names, but M and M's. And it feels so good. Although the best ones are the peanut ones, peanut M and M's. I don't know why they taste better. Was it the name of the creators of it? Yeah. The initials. Matthew, no. Who can John meet and Muppets? Mark and spin. Oh, that's M and S Mars and Martians. Martial Mathers. Yes. M and M. Yeah. It's a guy you understand why he called himself that. Well, Tarantino was busy. He went true romance. Very next year, natural born killers. He wrote those two in a row. And then he did Pulp Fiction or no, he did Reservoir Dogs a year before that and then Pulp Fiction year after that, a busy guy. And then I was so into Pulp Fiction when that came out. Great. I'm so good. It's a good movie. I was in that time when you had to go back to the theater to see it again. Yep. Couldn't wait, you know, DVDs and VHS didn't come out very fast. And and so I remember getting the cassette and listening to the cassette because it had clips from the movie on like some of the best lines. Yeah, that movie. Changed lines, the best lines. Nobody moved. This is a robbery. That was what their name who up till then I'd only seen or do like really mild manner, like even kid show kind of things. Wait, who is this? In Pulp Fiction, the one in the room in the restaurant. No, not over there, man. Not over there, man. Shoot, what was her name? Stood up and said nobody moved. It was Amanda Plummer. A man, a man in the plumber. A man or and she was in the movie Hercules and then she was in a bunch of old, like. Like lots of kids stuff. So when I saw, yeah, she she was also in. So I married an expert. Oh, yeah, she isn't that. You're right. She was a sister. She's pretty interesting. I think that was the last any of you FM radio movies I enjoyed that he made. Yeah, was he was in Hunger Games Catching Fire? Yeah. Didn't she she's married to somebody famous? Oh, Christopher Plummer's her dad. I didn't know that. She's the daughter of someone famous. Yeah. No, she was in the Fisher King. That's right. That was good. She was in Exodus, the Battlestar Galactica episode. Oh, really? All right. She does. She's worked, man. Like, she doesn't just sit around. Glad you brought that up. My favorite thing about the new season of of Man in the High Castle is we got two, two Klingons running around with each other in the first two episodes. I don't know how that ends up. I'm not that far in, but you got Leoban and I forget the black guy's name from Battlestar. Crap. Oh, right. I forgot he was in Battlestar. Yeah. So those two, just like Cylon and around. I'm like, what's going on in here? Awesome. In the neutral zone. Has a Star Trek like quality in a world where Star Trek was never created. That hadn't even occurred to me until just now. So well done. I'm really digging it so far. I'm only two in. I really enjoyed that season and season two. I love everything about it. So I don't know. Well, I think it's the thing I always tell you about where I once I hear it's on Netflix or Amazon, it's an original. I just know it's going to be there. So I'm in no rush. Yeah. It's interesting. We have stopped caring about broadcast schedules as much as we used to now that we've been off off of satellite for a while. There's been like Sherlock. We didn't love the first episode of the season of Sherlock. So we've been kind of kicking watching this week's episode down the road a little bit because we're watching Gilmore Girls on Netflix instead. And it's there and we're enjoying it. And so it's it's this slow erosion of being tied to the broadcast schedule. Now that said, Eileen is such a huge fan of This Is Us that she was like we're watching that live. So we did take a break to watch that. We haven't totally got off the track. Yeah. I mean, you have your things, right? Like Kim's Kim's on cloud nine because she got her food network back. She loves that. What did you end up subscribing to PS View PlayStation View on your recommendation? Well, partly that. And it's been great. We really like it. And she's using it for I mean, it's it's funny because she loves cooking anyway and she likes being very gourmet and doing a lot of cool stuff. But she hasn't done as much of that since she hasn't had sort of that influence, you know. So once my Netflix or she'll watch the Great British Bake Off or something like that, you know, excited about it. But then now that she's seeing this and she'll watch one of those shows where they're making some really cool whatever and she'll just go nuts and for the next week we eat like King spend less money on the food she used to make it. Oh my gosh, isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because Eileen made me start planning meals again for various reasons. Just nutrition more than anything. And and it was it was shocking to me like I made this huge grocery list this week of stuff because of all the meals that she wanted one of us to make this week. And I'm like, this is going to be pricey $80 for six meals, some of which will have leftovers and turn into extra meals. Yeah. Yeah. No, like that's it's crazy and we weren't it's not that we were making out a ton, but we were doing it enough where her doing this has easily made up for the cost of PlayStation View. Yeah. Well, it's crazy, huh? Yeah, that's really that's a really interesting side effect. I didn't expect that. So pretty pretty stoked about it. Yeah. And you know, $80 isn't just the six meals. There's there's staples in there and things, you know, blueberries and stuff for other stuff. But they kind of had a similar effect in other ways was that minimalism documentary. She ended up watching and man, the stuff we've given away or thrown out. Just the way we think about yeah, excess consumption is way different. Like it really do. You watch that on Netflix? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know it's going in until we watched it, but two of those guys are right here in Salt Lake City and do all kinds of stuff here. I mean, I may follow up with them and see if they want to get interviewed sometime, but try to sell them some stuff. See if I can sell them some old garage. You guys want this? But it really reminded you like, man, if you just look around at some of the stuff you've got, you just don't freaking need or never. And before we moved and then I carried it on for a while afterwards, I made a point of every day finding something we didn't need. And I actually got to a point where I was like, okay, it's it's actually getting difficult. Right. And so I ended up stopping it. But yeah, it was for a while. It was like, yeah, there's just all kinds of stuff we don't need. It's really freeing that feeling of like, I mean, it's hard. But once you do it, you're like, oh, man, I'm better now. I feel better. I just don't have to have this thing. And some of the stuff I would sell, some of it, it was just donate. Some of it was just trash. It's surprising the amount of it was just like, there's no, no one who wants this. It's not doing me any good. I have, dude, I have like, like S video cables. I'll never use stacks of them somewhere. I have all that stuff right now. And I'm not tossing it because I still have a VCR. That works. Well, I know you have a justification for it. That makes sense. Yeah. I don't even have the excuse you at least have a reason. I don't even have. And that's the only and my only capture card, unfortunately, I lost the dongle to it. So I can't use composite. It only takes this video in. Well, I have some SCART cables. I have like cables. I have a lot of cables. I have some power cables for computers. I don't have an own for years. Save the power cables. Those are so useful. You're going to be a hoarder one day, man. See, one day I am right now. Now, I did their stuff. I, you know, I used to think that way. I was like, it's not to say that you should hold on to everything. But for example, with AC cables for PCs, there, I have at least six or seven floating around. But I've always found I like when I needed one in a pinch is like, well, I know I have a supply of them. I'll pull it and like stuff like that to me is useful like patch cables or anything that is still in standard or use. Yes, exactly. Your AC cables are still standard. That's not going away. And your S video cable, that might be trash for one person, but you've got to use for it. So that's fine. But like old, you know, RS 232 cables, like, I don't have anything that they can plug into here. And then I start to feel like my dad, who used to be like, yeah, but you know, that one time that someone randomly needed an RS 232 cable, you know, wasn't with him. It wasn't that, but it was like needed some weird things. I've got it. And then he couldn't find it because I've had them happen more than once. But I had, I found it like someone needed a nine pin to six pin firewire cables. Yeah, I got one in my bag. So here. Yeah, that's how I think about it. But there's so many. And yeah, I've gotten lucky once in a while for sure. And I'm still going to always have a box of like go to, but my goal is to like go to a cable. Sorry, never going to have a moment where I'm going to need that and just kind of rotate them out because a new way USB cable is going to go in there at some point. Yeah. And well, you know, what I do is I make it a point not to buy those cables, like because I eventually come into them, either they come with a product, like a printer or something. And it's just like, I have an extra USB cable and I just hold on to them. But I like, I made it a point not to buy cables for cable sake, unless there's like, a display port cable that I do not have. So I bought one of those, but generally, yeah, you know, if I do buy, I might buy one or two and that's it. Yeah, I almost never buy cables because I've almost always got them. Yeah. I, my biggest problem with HDMI cables now is it's gone through enough revs. I need to label which ones are, which spec, which is starting to become an issue for HD sometimes. I know the latest spec cable I have is red. So I know, I need the, I need the, was it HDMI one point? Is it one point for something? In any case, I know just use the red one. That'll work. Cause all the rest of my cables are black. So I can't tell. Well, I have, I have a problem right now with an HDMI cable that I know is probably too old. I need to update it because my PS4 on a newer TV won't or will only intermittently play. And I get this weird problem. So I'm, I got to get another one of those coming. All right. Well, we are published in the can. Thank you all for watching. Please enjoy the rest of your evening on your own recognizance. We'll see you tomorrow.