 Hey, it's time for voice over body shop and we're remote again this week because somebody wasn't feeling well But there it doesn't matter because we still have a great guest for you tonight. We're gonna talk about dubbing foreign films So our guest tonight is Harry Berkeley who is a director say hello Harry What's up? I think that we're gonna have lots of fun with this and if you've got a question for Harry about dubbing This is a this is becoming big stuff now in the voice over world Throw it in our chat room because I know Jeff is in there somewhere taking all this stuff down and and getting it to us so we can ask him these questions and Any anything else, mr. Witte No, I just I'm excited and I like to learn my new nerdy headphones. Those are nerdy. 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She's at her desk. She's getting it done. It's still working and it's gonna be fabulous We're just not gonna be exposed to all her germs. So that's the most important thing And I didn't hers to ours I guess Have you had your cootie check lately? I've constantly You know, I mean, it's like, you know sniffles. Oh, is it an allergy or do I have the plague? Yeah Anyway, I hope everybody out there is feeling well and Avoiding all the the trouble that's going on out there, but it doesn't seem to be affecting the voiceover business. In fact Tonight we got a great guest who's gonna talk about dubbing because dubbing became big-time stuff during the pandemic and So we'll be talking about that in just a couple of minutes. Anything interesting going on in your your world there, George No, well, I mean like accidents or anything Well, that's kind of Almost well. No, I don't have one every time. No, I Went for a little overnight on Saturday night. I was hoping to camp in the beautiful Pines of Mount Pinos mountain above LA and it was actually air quality score of a hundred and eighty If you've checked what that means That's real bad. That means all the smoke from the Dixie fire The farthest northern most part of California is blowing all the way into SoCal and it's that bad. Yeah it's it's so it but yeah, I've been getting out there and and Riding as much as as I can because that's that's how I stay fit and have fun I'm falling as little as possible as little as possible. I do less and less of that Love the videos when things don't go quite the way you want I Turned videos of other people falling now and less and less mean of it more others You know, there was that slow motion one a couple weeks ago. That was that was fun That was our friend Matt. He was entertaining us with that fall Yeah, but not entertaining himself. Yeah Anyway, we're gonna talk about doubling tonight. So let me introduce our guest Harry Berkeley now Harry is a cinematographer in his 2016 short film. I'll wait here played at several big film festivals winning best documentary award at the Bamberger Thuggin in Germany He's worked with publications such as the Hollywood reporter glamour billboard vulture as well as the Ellen show and others He was raised in the Austrian Alps Harry graduated from the American Film Institute Conservatory with a directing degree and he's now directing dubbing sessions for Horstless cowboy studios here in Southern, California. So let's welcome to voiceover body shop Harry Berkeley Hey, how you doing good? How are you guys doing doing great? Staying healthy. We're trying good No, good. This is and by doing it this way. We're all staying healthy Very nice. Yeah, one day we'll be back in the studio. Yeah Eventually one of the back in the saddle Saddle, okay. Anyway, so let's talk dubbing now. This is something that you know, people were you know We were on when this when I grew up in the 60s it would always be fun to watch some Japanese film that was not dubbed properly and things would be out of sync and you know Always fun, but things have changed a great deal now and but You know, there's a there's a big demand for for this kind of stuff But first let's talk a little bit about you and and how you know, you got into directing So you're originally from Austria and but how did you find your way into cinematography first? Uh Pretty traditional route. I went to film school sort of video classes and undergrad and then Where you just do everything and try to find what it is you want to do and then I moved to LA And started directing when I finally knew what it was that I wanted to do And then after that I worked for a director as his assistant and then in video game production as a coordinator and Ended up sort of directing some video games and then the dubbing Door opened up and I've been doing dubbing for many years now. Yeah, yeah And lately yeah, it's been a barn door opening up for this kind of stuff. It's The door of a hanger opened up and suddenly there was all this work Yeah, why is there such a need for so much dubbing work these days? I think I mean, it's really in platforms like netflix who are shooting shows all over the world All the time and those shows are Uh made by local filmmakers So, you know, they really know that world and it's very specific to to the place Has this local flavor to it and uh, obviously they want to They want to make that show global. So, uh, we We try our best to to to create the same energy for the show and and create believable organic english characters Yeah, so so the the big networks and the big streaming networks are like They were not I wouldn't say desperate for material But because things couldn't be produced here, there was a lot of existing material in europe and and asia and stuff So we've been seeing a lot of those types of things on there. Yeah. Yeah, it really has not stopped ever since the pandemic started It's been very busy and uh, we've done shows from turkey korea germany poland Cor uh Thailand with it the first high show So, yeah, it's it's been It's been busy and we're grateful for it. Yeah, I mean, there's been some great shows I mean there's some some that have really hit big time like uh, the heist or casa de papel, which is a great series I mean, apparently it was not a big hit in spain, but once it hit netflix It suddenly became a worldwide phenomenon and that one was very very well dubbed I mean, you can't even tell that it you know, and I guess that's really the the uh The marker of a great direction and and really good acting Yeah, absolutely. I we have we work with sag professionals So you have that quality right from the start where when you cast them, you know that they have a certain amount of Talent to begin with and then it's all about collaboration and and trying to find the character and I always tell my actors that you know My my voice actor I tell them that uh, you there's a you have an onscreen actor who created a space for you but the character is yours like Create your own and we create our own arcs and uh, obviously we can't change the story But we do change the the lines a lot the script just to make it work uh for us and for for For for the english market. Yeah What's what's really involved in in doing dubbing though? I mean, it's I mean I remember that it used to be you'd go into a studio and you know like, okay Here's the next scene coming up and you'd hear And then Yeah, not like that anymore. Is it no no not at all. Thank god Now we're using a software called voice cue there I think they're based in New Zealand and it's kind of like a karaoke system. You have a on your on your Screen at the bottom. You have a streamer going from right to left And as the onscreen actors lips move We have a little marker in the middle and that's when you're supposed to perform the line Um, and if you know if if the the lines are scrunched together That means that the lips are going a hundred miles an hour and the our actor has to speed up the performance But to me it's a as a director It's it's I think it's a freeing system for the actor because as long as they stay on pace on our streamer We can They they they can forget about the rest, you know, they they can harvest the onscreen actors energy But they don't have to look at lips so they don't have to match a voice or anything like that So, um, I think it's it gives the actor More freedom to play Yeah If you're just joining us our guest is harry berkeley. He is a director for dubbing along with a bunch of other things Uh, and if you have a question for him throw it in the chat room in facebook Or in the youtube chat room or wherever it is that you're watching this and can type something in I know jeff holman is watching and he will be getting those Questions into us because I think a lot of you are going to have a lot of questions about this I've done a fair amount of dubbing in the last in the last year Uh fun stuff It's always fun working with A different director, especially a director who say is in dubai And you've got to be up at you know seven in the morning here in los angeles And they're looking leery and i'm like the country hasn't kicked in yet um That's that's always fun, but I mean the the the directions, you know is is always very interesting I did uh something with an egyptian show a couple months ago And i'm trying to you know, they're like, oh, this guy is a real He's a real ladies man, and i'm watching this thing like, um, okay Somehow it just it it was a cultural thing. I'm like, well, what's going on here? The he's trying to he's trying to go on with this this woman here Who is wearing a hijab and all this and i'm like does that go on there? Oh goes on everybody so Yeah, those are those are fun. Yeah Uh, but you don't do it all at once it's done in in little chunks, right? Yeah, it's done scene by scene we start To top of the film or a show and go Go to the end scene by scene and really spend our time with with it But I I I I do run into Local jokes all the time, you know or local flavors. I call it, you know Because these shows are so They're they're not made for the world. They're not made for a wide audience. They're made for very specific You know people in a in a in one country And so when you dub it you have to sort of translate that flavor to a wider audience When these jokes come in I I I know that a bunch of turkish shows for example they Sort of They're The dealing with alcohol is is a very It's almost like how we deal with guns, you know, it feels like It's You know when someone drinks in a turkish show that's that's a big no no. That's a big Big red flag But if you translated that over here, then it doesn't really have that impact, you know, unless you talk about unraged drinking so we try to always you sort of We we we try to keep the local flavor there, but then sometimes we just have to change a few things to You know to make it a bit more global yeah And I think one of the coolest things about it and I think people should probably watch some of these shows You know like I was saying house of paper was really good That was just it was so well written and all that and because it was dubbed in english so well It was like watching a hollywood, you know series and But if if If you watch these shows you can learn an awful lot about what's going on in the rest of the world And I think that's that's a fabulous thing. Absolutely. I agree 100 percent It's it's and that's what I'm trying to say we would try to keep You know the original intent of the filmmakers intact so that that you get to experience that um, that local flavor and it there's there's no point of of americanizing it. It's just sort of Bring it to a bigger audience, but keep keep the the local impact. Yeah Yeah, we ended up watching an awful lot of this stuff during the pan down We would get hooked on Turkish soap operas. It was it was very strange Of course the one we were watching wasn't dubbed. It just had subtitles And I'm like they couldn't take time to dub this in it would have been much better Yeah You know plus a bunch of other shows that are just really really excellent Once again, if you got a question for for harry berkeley, give us a you know Just write it down in the chat room and we will get to it in just a little bit So I all the voice actors who are watching us right now and listening in They're probably wondering well gee couldn't I do this? What does one really need to do to prepare? I mean the people do you know commercial voice over and they're doing narration and we're doing all this other stuff This is this is a little bit different, isn't it? Uh, yes and no, I mean I would say Uh, try it. I would say Come audition for it. I know horses cowboys is they work with the major agencies But they also and which is one of the things I love about them is they they work with emerging talent they they find talent and and local You know voices as well So, you know once we had to record a german show and there was a serving character, but With a specific accent and I was like there's no way they can find this, you know And sure enough they found this person in la who had that exact accent and Uh, I think that's that's selling the dub, you know, that that's really taking care of the details And then when you watch it, you know, you hopefully um, you don't have to think about You know, you don't have to think about the lip-match or any of that stuff and you can enjoy the show Yeah What what does one do need to do to prepare To do this type of work? I mean you can audition for it, but You know, it's a it's a new type of thing for a lot of people And what what is what are some of the things people can do to try and you know get used to this this type of thing? yeah, it's It's it's it's sort of weird because The actors that we're working with they're they come from different camps, you know You have theater actors who are used to being on stage and being big and out there and trying to reach the last row Then you have cinema actors who are Very quiet and you know used to a close-up and and then you have Vo types who are either they're sort of coming from the documentary narration field or they come from Video game field and it all works. You just have to sort of Adjust a bit. I think dubbing is sort of a dance between the engineer the director and the actor Because the engineer is taking care of the lips, you know Meeting lip-match is supposed to be almost a hundred percent, you know And the actor has to stay on pace has to be in the scene has to perform And me as a director, I'm aware that my that I asked my actor to You know, he's in this tiny booth and I'm asking him to be on a on a Greek beach So it's it's this fine You know back and forth between actor engineer and director to really come up with a performance That works and to me what we're trying to do at the end of the day is to to to make the scene look as organic As the original date that includes efforts, you know, if he's breathing in if he does anything visual If he gets up from his chair, we want to get that those efforts in and really You know get that get that That that organic matter to it and so to me it's it's someone, you know I would say just try it and and see You know, how how you're doing with a, you know, maybe with a small character, you know, we're not giving Beginning actors or sort of first-timers a major role with, you know Many hours, but a few small characters, you know, and and you're on your way and and Yeah, and it's fun. Most of our actors love it Yeah, I mean this I'm I'm sure you have some stories, you know about some things and george and I wanted to ask you about that I mean, you know, you were talking about, you know, you've got to do their breathing My son was doing a show where this character was constantly snacking So we had to constantly have some Ritz crackers here or something and he was most of the time We're watching the show all you're doing is chewing, but that's all the guy does But he had a match to chewing. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, I mean, I mean One of the first shows I've done is a show called playing with fire and the story is riveting In itself. It's about a guy who Can have any woman in in in his life But if he falls in love he dies So he's basically spending the entire show Sleeping with these women and making out with them and you'll have to recreate that and and There's a lot of Stuff that he you know, he has to kiss his hand or his his arm for for hours But that's that just needs to be We we need to grab that for for the dub to work, you know But that's the extent to which you you do. I mean, you don't literally bring Like did you bring your girlfriend in and say honey? I gotta do this dub killing Uh, I know I think like that has never happened But I did I did have an actor ask me to punch him in the in the stomach Which I declined to do because uh, yeah But yeah, I mean, I love when people when people, you know Get into their performance. I think it's great. It's like it's no different than than when you're on set and you sort of lose yourself in the character Yeah Now one of the things that happened is we were just talking earlier the the pandemic hit and then suddenly there was this huge need For dubbing, you know Maybe a bunch of people knew how to do it. I mean it was it was being done You know, I was doing some stuff and I knew some other people that were doing it But suddenly all of this material had to happen so I I take it there were probably some technical issues that you guys had to deal with You know because George and I certainly did didn't we? When did it stop? Yeah, certainly. I mean we I remember we walked out one Friday and and never came back. Um But then yeah, so horses cowbell works with a studio with with igloo students in burbank and their engineers, they're just Incredibly just made it all work. They figured out a way how to send rates to actors set them all up remotely Or if not remotely then at the actor leave and they go set it up real quick and um, we've had actors record in their In their closets in their garages and uh, yeah, I mean Thanks to them. We're we're still working and we're still it's it's It's never stopped I have a lot of faith in engineering that to hear that like I kind of had this impression of a lot of engineers and studios and they're just not used to doing anything other than You know operating Pro tools or whatever their job is so they really had to improvise and they solved a lot of problems Yeah, and they they kept a lot of people's jobs. Yeah for sure Yeah, yeah, and you know it's and when you're doing this stuff, you know, it's like they'll stop and go Okay, hold on a second and you can you know because i'm an editor and you know, george and I know What's going on on the other end? It's you know, we can tell okay, they're taking this and they're shifting it over here And uh, so you know you learn to be patient and you know, and it's like, okay, we can we can do this Once again, we're talking with harry berkeley about dubbing work, which is You know, it's there's a lot of it out there right now. So so Where should people be looking to find this and how can they audition to do this and you know? I mean you you said you work with with you know with with union actors But I take it there's a lot of other people that are probably qualified to do it Yeah That's true. I mean we do have to work with union actors for most of them If if they're looking for very specific types, uh, whereas really You know, we need that one person then We can get them into the union as well, but uh, we do work horses worked with all the agencies and Jobs will be on breakdown express la casting Um, yeah, and Literally once it was at a party and I found I found a voice there and that person was in the show. So it's it's I know it's it's uh It can happen quickly Yeah, and there's work out there. So oh absolutely and and and it's not just you know, you're not your company I mean horses cowboy is not the only guy he's doing this like like I said I've been doing it with with european and middle eastern companies and yeah Chinese companies It's it's a it's a growing industry out there. So Yeah, it's a lot of people the talent are Pretty much all union, but there are they all physically in los angeles or are you doing? remote sessions Where are the talent actually being recorded physically? Well now actually We're sort of we're having talent go back to the studio and uh engineers. They're all vaccinated and and We have safety protocols where the engine the actor can now go into the studio, you know, it's a it's a very safe space now I don't go in yet So we try to keep as few people as possible But today I had my my engineer was in mexico and my coordinator was in Minnesota And I was in la so it's it it works Wherever you are mostly people are based in la I would say but we've done remote sessions before Yeah, for sure like if there's maybe a voice specifically you need they're just not They're just a lot of town or their work. They're on the road. You might even bring them in from another city, I guess Yeah, yeah, I mean we're recorded people in new york and austin and uh People seem to be moving away from la so so we definitely have other places where we can record them Yeah, well if If you've got a good setup at home and those of you who are watching and listening to our show You darn well better by now after watching this show for 10 years and how to do it properly and sound right when you're doing this kind of stuff um I mean We don't want to ask you what equipment is needed. We we tell people what really is needed out there You know, but as we like to say if it sounds good, it is good because there I'm sure these engineers are not asking. Well, what are you using and you know, I'm You know unless you're on camera. I mean because a lot of times you're doing this on You know over zoom and over these these other these other platforms so they can see what you're using And hopefully you're not using a usb mic or something along those lines. Although. I'm sure there are people that are um So you but you have to be you've got to have a good sounding studio for starters. I would imagine yeah, I Definitely, I mean, you know Uh My engineer could tell the difference from whatever mic they're using. I can't probably It's like, oh, yeah, that sounds exactly the same at the previous mic, but they do know their stuff so I try not to interfere and And and and let them waste my time with technical stuff Yeah, so how do you How do you like to work with people? I mean and and if someone's going to be suddenly gets a job doing this and they go in there How do you how do you professionally present yourself and work with a director? What are you what are you looking for and what works best for you? With you know with another pro coming in. Yeah, uh I would say, you know Confidence is all even if you have never done it before. I think confidence not so much in sort of I can do it all but like Confidence in a choice that you're making for your character You come in and If you're a main character, we've sent you the show most of the time Or we've we've told you what what it's about to come with a choice And and then we open to collaboration with me and and And together sort of find that Find the right flavor for us And you know, I mean I try to make it I try to create an environment that that is conducive to to creating art I it's a completely non-judgmental room I I I want them to sometimes, you know make a choice. It doesn't feel right. So we know This one can can go and and um Sometimes it's just delicate work too, you know, because there's like I said, there's there's rape scenes. There's Stuff that is it's not easy to record and and To me, I want to make sure that that they feel comfortable doing that and performing Which is my number one thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's acting It's acting. Yeah. Is there an assumption that they've seen Read the whole script by that point or read their characters before I mean Did they they know what they're getting into at that point? Yeah They do main characters do like if there is if there is a Tough scene to Recreate, um Then yes, we will let them know They don't usually see the script because we don't have paper anymore. We just have the voice queue system where they just see the scene for the first time Unless they're a main character and then we send a few episodes to them to prepare You know, so that's always helpful for them But it doesn't happen always, you know Sometimes the producers have to show don't want anyone to see it And so we'll keep it and we'll just have to make it work in the studio. That's fine too works as well Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's the first time, you know, I mean you like yeah, okay Although sometimes it's good to understand what's going on In the actual story. So anyway, hey again, if you got some yeah, you've got some questions for harry berkeley about dubbing work Uh, put it in the chat room in facebook or on uh, youtube and we'll get to those in just a couple of minutes but right now we're gonna take quick break and We'll be right back. So don't go away I think I heard the voice of a body shop. I did I did hear the voice of a body shop little body shop Well, hello there I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voiced announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat. Were you stick around? You don't want to miss this Power 1039 at target. 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Hold on one second here. I've got to mute something. Oh, okay never mind Just edit that out, uh I just wanted to mention that harlin. I was talking with harlin hogan the other day and he is Even though shipping costs have gone up He is not raising the price or charging for shipping yet. So get your signs. Nice Anyway, we're talking with harry berkeley about dubbing and we got lots of questions from our worldwide audience out there that is Hoping to jump into dumping Hoping to jump into dubbing One of these days Anyway, so you're ready for some questions harry. Yes cover it. Alrighty. Uh, do we have any from uh from clubhouse yet? Nobody's in the queue yet, but i'll keep an eye on the clubhouse room Uh, the first one in the first room there chats We've got questions from youtube and facebook. This one's from ap white watts And the question is has anyone used voice cue for dubbing? Well, we got the answer to that one Twisted wave just added a video feature and could twisted wave now be used for dubbing Well, i'll answer the second question. Yeah, no I don't think so But it's so unbelievably bleeding edge new That the thing you have to keep in mind with these technologies is the industry has to adopt them learn them Vet them and prove that they're stable and reliable and it i'm sure voice cue you guys probably went through some period of Vetting and testing before you were probably gonna rely on it, right? Hmm. Yeah, harry. Oh, i'm sorry. Hey, that was for harry. Yeah, it did take you guys a long time to settle on using something like Voice cue did it have a lot of resistance, you know using a new system? Uh You know what it was pretty smooth, but again, I probably wasn't in those meetings. There was more on the engineer side Yeah, I remember that the guys came from New Zealand once and sat in a session, uh, but I I really like the software. I think it's it's great for the actors. So Um, I'm not sure it's more of an engineer voice cue. Yeah, so what was the what was life before voice cue? How was it done? And in a nutshell in nutshell, uh with paper scripts Yeah With paper scripts and but I don't remember. I think I did a few sessions Like that and then we had iPads, but that didn't work as well either. So, um, Yeah, I don't know what we would do without the software It's great Well, clearly the software has really improved the quality of these things like I was saying to some some of them are so Well synced that you can't even tell they're dubbed That is also a credits our editors. So once we, uh, Finish our session the in session Edits it goes to post production and they spend Minutes per per line to just massage it and make sure it it fits Even better. So once we deliver the show, it's it's supposed to be a hundred percent on lip match This is what we call. Are they dubbing editors or dialogue editors? What do they call those guys? It's a good question. I don't know. I call them editors You see a million credits, you know Is that a is that the dialogue? Yeah, that's curious All right get the next one j.s. Gilbert has an interesting question here, of course as he always does Uh curious any thoughts on using Descript to do adr when an actor can't be there Apparently the documentary on anthony bourdain was completely done in his voice Using the dubbing feature in descript. I'm not sure what the script is george you familiar with that one at all I've heard of descript, but I don't I've never used it. I don't know anything about it That's interesting. I think there's an automated AI dubbing device No AI dubbing Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what that is. Yeah, I I you know, that would be an interesting one to try How you're gonna direct AI, you know, I mean I personally don't believe that it's gonna you can't use AI to do this stuff And they're never gonna be able to Get the I mean, that's what that's what you're really working with harry. I mean you're trying to get the subtlety of somebody's voice Yeah, and how can you program that? I don't you know, have they talked about it at all? I don't know. I hope it never happens I Yeah, I I'm sure that it's possible somehow, but uh, yeah, I mean I love working with actors and hopefully, uh, you know That'll stay for a while Yeah, you want to get the one from victor singleton there george Sure thing. And there's actually now one in the clubhouse. Oh, let's go there first. So what do you say? Uh chris in clubhouse. Let's go to you Oh, thank you. Hey sounds good Appreciate you taking my question here in san francisco on clubhouse My question is two two actually one serious one silly is there good money in dubbing for actors and Is your guest's favorite musical group in sync? Thank you Have to think oh, oh Wait a second. I gotta hit the right button for that one That wouldn't be the one I think the one you're looking for is That was the one I was looking for I'm not getting the in sync joke explain Because you're doing things in sync. Oh god Oh god, that's a dad joke I thought it was like a reference to the fact that that bands, uh, you know the production and they produce it all in Europe and I thought there was some I thought it was an engineering joke. Yeah. Yeah. It was a pun We all feel terrible Okay Chris's serious answer is there a lot of money in this gig Yeah, I mean it it is union scale. I'm assuming yeah Yeah, it is but I mean I don't it depends like if you have if you're a main character and you are You come in for three weeks every day to record. Uh, yeah, it's it's good money But I I also think it's a nice addition to your, you know, your theatrical Acting because you can you can come in, you know sessions are four hours long at at at most and it's, you know It's it's it's fun to be in a studio and and and do your four hours and go home And you can still do half the half of the day To do other stuff, you know, go additions or something Especially those early morning sessions I get to do far enough people in the Middle East Yes Do I get that question from victor there george Sure, um victor ask what's the best vetting process For companies that randomly approach you on social media To ensure their legitimacy. This may be really more Suitable. This is sort of a general. I think there's more of a general Yeah question for somebody's maybe getting into voiceover Uh, not so much directly to what you're doing Well, I mean I could say one thing is that uh at the end of A netflix show there's credits and after that credits there is the the dubbing credits. So there there's Uh company credits the very end But really it's past the The on-screen edits credits and then it's further down there. There's there's credits for dubbing and and And I would look I would look there Yeah, I mean those usually run longer than the show. I mean like here's the Thai dubbers Here's the Japanese dubbers and usually in the language that it's Whoever did it. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, but that's smart though. I mean do your homework Yeah, I was gonna say how do you how do you vet look for the look for names that are familiar? I mean, there can't be thousands of names involved in this production world. There's probably a How many of of what of you guys are there out there hundreds tens? I mean I don't know I Hard to say I hard to say, you know, I know a few other directors who are working in dubbing Doing different languages. So I don't know exactly how many companies are out there But yeah, there should be a bunch. Yeah Alrighty question from aria's voice who's watching us on youtube What are the best qualities for a voiceover actor to have to succeed in the dubbing game? They sort of asked that before but you can iterate on that one uh again like same sort of qualities and make on-screen actor just Confidence in what it is that you want to perform A willingness to collaborate I think is crucial for any actor and board director And Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's how about improv Is it helpful to know improv for dubbing? I would say Not really because there's only a few Whenever we do improv on In in the show, it's usually for a walla character in the background somewhere that we're gonna mix Uh mix into oblivion pretty much. So it's it's Yeah, I mean it you know improv is always is good to have as a good tool to have as an actor But I don't think in dubbing that's your main um skill to have So jargon alert, you know, just explain in a nutshell what walla is For those that don't uh, it's any don't know what that means. Yeah, it's it's any character that is talking in the background Um, that is not on screen Most of time not on screen or they're on screen But so far back that you can't even see their mouth moving and it's just to create a voice over. It's like the extras Yeah, pretty much it's like creating an environment Aside from your main sinker. It's yeah. Yes. Yeah. I've sometimes I you know, I've noticed that, you know, if Like you were talking earlier about how fast someone can be talking and you've got to keep up with it Yeah, I I I imagine that you know and I I've seen this where they will edit the copy in the middle of the session You know that it doesn't really make sense so much in English And we could probably take out this little section here and still keep it synced and stuff like that I mean, I'm sure you that that's happened a lot in your sessions Yeah, yeah, I mean I was going to say maybe the third or the last thing to to sort of train is in to work in dubbing is to To know how to read fast, you know, if you if you do karaoke, I'm serious that probably a good Preparation because you do have to When they talk certain languages are very fast fast lips as we call them italian is very fast So you have to read very quickly very fast But yeah, I mean Yeah, I would say that's that's that's pretty much it, you know She had a part two question. I thought that was actually kind of interesting too about What's the best way? Or talent to present themselves to directors at a networking event if they're interested in dubbing You gotta find who is the dubbing director after networking? Yeah, I don't know how you so what do you do? I mean, you know I I've had people on LinkedIn and And It's usually I mean it's You know, I listen to tapes And and I I can do recommendations to my Superiors and ultimately Netflix, but I don't make the the final choice, you know so but if I if I hear a voice or if I hear a demo that sounds amazing or interesting or Fresh then I will definitely forward this and I've done this multiple times And some of these people are coming back a lot of times now So I don't think anybody else asked this question, but I'm gonna ask it What is a demo? What is a demo like? For a dubbing job That's a very good question Yeah, I mean You know once it ends up on Netflix, you know, you you can find a way to to to you know, send it in or you can Yeah, you can point it real You can point to it if it's a major character. You could say watch this episode in English and Uh, you could get a pretty good sense of it But there really isn't like a demo like, you know, the demo producers they'll they'll stay sell demos There's a lot of it. Yeah. Um, there's not really I can't think of a demo. That's a dubbing demo I've not seen it either And you get a good feel for what a person can do in a studio when you when you listen to Other stuff that did done even on on screen acting. I think you can you can take a lot from it. So Yeah, so as as a director though, you're it's the casting director that picks the people So you're getting thrown into a directing session with somebody perhaps you haven't worked with before And you know, you've got to get them to do what you need them to do So I'll but that's a bit of a challenge sometimes Uh, I would say 90 of the time It's cast very well and once you get into a rhythm sort of into a You know working Into that dance between the engineer actor and director. I it flows nicely Here there you have, uh odd things happening. I had one actor who Could not laugh properly and if by properly, I mean like, uh, organic they just like You know like laugh Uh, and he just would come off really weird Um on screen. He just wouldn't match the energy and he came off Artificial but it stood out to everyone who watched it. So, you know, those things happened but But usually I would say it's well cast and and sack actors are just they're great Yeah, for a reason. Yeah, I love this question. I good. This should be interesting He says uh from amos meters on youtube. He says as a dubbing director What are some pet peeves from writers you'd like fixed or things writers don't often consider? Oh, wow, that's a good question. Um I mean it technically uh in dubbing, you know, it's sort of the length of a of a of a line You know, it uh, sometimes they just go write enough words and it's too short and we have to rewrite it Uh, I would say that that the adaptation is very important like you know, what when, uh When when a scene feels adaptive and not just translated when it when you get the flavor of the scene But it feels organic in english, you know, it's like, uh It's just a nice flowing scene. It doesn't feel like it's It's translated, but it's it's actually written. Um Uh, but I again like I can't I can't say you know, we have good writers. Uh, I'm I'm very blessed to to work with good writers. Yeah, but uh Here and there they could look more at the you know, this line is longer than what you're giving me. So I would say that's my number one With writers. Yeah, hopefully these guys aren't using google translate to to do these scripts Uh, there there is uh No, it's not google translate, but there is it. There's a stage, you know There's there's translating it from the from the foreign language and then adapting it And in the adaption process is where the art comes in Yeah Um, george from bs electric Love that name. Yeah, let's be a contractor or something. Um Are there some particular accents that are popular in dubbing? Uh, I don't know of a particular one, but That's another good thing about dubbing is is you can You can have actors from all over the world if they speak english We probably could use their their accent, you know, if it's uh, I've Again, I've recorded serbian accent accents french accents german accents. Uh It's it's it can all be used. So So It's not one in particular that we're looking for but based on, you know, whatever show comes in we we definitely need All kinds of accents Yeah, all right. Yeah, do people have to do different accents If you know say they're a regular english speaker, you know, and a character has An accent, you know, is is that part of the casting you you say can you do a british accent or can you do I am against it because we can find british speak british speakers in la british speakers british people in la And and they will sound much better than americans trying to speak british and the problem is just That you have to keep it up for You know weeks so you may be able to do a french accent for Four hours, but not for three weeks straight and you have to be consistent To bring in the exact same amount of Of of accent so I feel like it it's better to have that accent natively But I've had I've worked with a an actor who did not speak the language at all just Uh made the sounds like that language. So she studied that that scene And delivered it in in that language perfectly And uh, yeah, didn't speak the language at all and and You know, that's sort of a problem because you know, you'd have to read that other language. So Yeah, yeah, we get time for a couple more questions here from hungry boy Um, maybe you know this maybe you don't are there any agents or reps which handle dubbing work who accept samples made at home studios That's what we call a question that is reaching Something please hire me I mean home Auditions are totally fine in a home studio. I feel like everyone like quite literally now everyone is doing that Uh You know, I wonder if any agents are though I I haven't heard of any agents that are doing, you know, they're hiring for dubbing work or repping for dubbing work I mean specific thing you mean. Yeah I mean we've worked with Csd coast-to-coast atlas. They all you know, we've worked with them extensively so they're not, you know, they obviously wrecked them for other jobs too, but they Their clients gotten a lot of work from us so I I don't think I I think there's no problem with the Recorded in a home booth All right time for one more here, um From patricia andre. Is there a dubbing course? Interesting, you know, how do you teach dubbing? I think it's sort of like learn on the jobs or yeah Yeah, yeah, I actually thought about About that and I was talking to my boss about maybe creating something that it would introduce this to Two actors because the actors that come back all the time, you know, that our regulars they they love the work and and you know, it's it's I don't know. It's it's just one thing about just working, you know, you create your craft and Uh, you do it for four hours a day and you know, it it just I think gives actors a sort of a Encouragement to just work do the work and you are in the studio, but then again, you're also in the scene and you have to recreate and you have to um bring your best and Yeah, I I don't know if there's course, but maybe we'll we'll try and create something. Yeah in the future Yeah, I mean it seems to me it's a learning curve isn't that like if you're a working actor a screen actor a voice actor That the learning curve isn't that like it the learning on the job is not that big of a problem No, I totally agree. You you're gonna pick it up based on This software you're using and your direction. It doesn't it's not something you Need to spend a copious amount of time prepping for it sounds like no, no, no, you don't you don't and If someone comes in for the first time we'll definitely sort of warm up and you know Get a little orientation there and and yeah Totally fine. Yeah, well harry. Thanks so much for joining us tonight and thank you And letting us know what goes on in the dubbing world. It's uh, it's fun stuff I mean, you know once you if you can get it You can you know you go into this you know you go in the studio you do it from the home studio you know doing it remotely and You pick it up quick if you're a good actor and I think that's probably The most important thing you've got to be able to Not just you're not just talking you're not just reading You're taking on this character Yeah, and thank you guys for uh for your show. You uh, you're you're your tech Guidance is always appreciated for someone who doesn't know much about the tech world You're not alone Oh Alrighty, all right. Well, george and I'll be ready to wrap things up here in just a second and get ready for tech Talks so don't go away. We'll be right back. Thanks harry. See you. Yeah. 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