 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the final word. West Ham United won. Everone joined by Stee and Andy for this one. Lads, wasn't the greatest game in the world to watch? Nope, it wasn't great. Wasn't a classic, no? No, it was a bit slow and pedestrian on it. It was both teams, not just us. Both teams looked like they didn't want to lose the game. The second half was kind of like, you have it, you have it, you have it. They kept giving the ball back to each other a bit. I kind of expected it, because Moise was always going to make it a hard game. Can't make them hard to beat, wasn't he? Game is too harsh, really, wasn't it? I think they were better first half, we were better second half. I just thought you said that at the same time. First half, the second half, we deserved the point. Colman was saying this one. They got a bit of a rock in their halftime for agility as well. Wasn't great, first half. Team, he went a bit. What did we make of that? Obviously, his hands are tied a little bit with plays, like she gets them still out. The only one I would... Colman, playing over to Davy, with the only one on a query, I understood the rest of it. Keen, you had a show starter with Charlton. They've got a problem with the rest of the team. Obviously, when you're away, you want to go with that defensive presence, so Colman plays. No problem with what's going on here. I went with Colman in relation to thinking that Anderson was going to play maybe as well. So they went from maybe a more defensive minded fullback. What about if we make it Delf starting? Delf or Snidel, I really want it, let's be honest. Delf's been signed for it. I think Delf's probably got a future everywhere with Snidel. I'd rather see Delf get games next to Tom. Tom Davison trying to help him through games as well in terms of the leadership he's supposed to bring. I don't really want to see Snidel and us thinking to play different games. No, exactly. I think I'm fine with Delf playing. I haven't got any options. That's the problem. It's a rock and a hard place, really, going to bring a kid burning me in. He's only just come back himself, hasn't he? I thought Westam started the game better than we did. Without really doing anything. What I was impressed with Westam for the first 20 minutes was they were pressing really well. They were in our face without really creating anything. It was forcing us into mistakes. I think for me in the opening 20-25 minutes there was too many balls playing back from us. Rather than going forward we turned and playing back. I think that helped them get up the pitch. If you start taking a chance and get the ball moving forward you can kind of pin teams back. I thought we allowed them to come onto us in the first 25 minutes, definitely. I totally agree. Something I've noticed the last couple of times we played away from him. I'm going back a lot in the first 20-25 minutes. It looks like they don't really seem comfortable on the ball at times. Now Luca Dingo caught out a couple of times in the first 25 minutes. That was because, I don't know if it was because there was nothing on going forward or the midfielders weren't showing for it enough, I don't know. They were looking up and they just kept going back or going sideways and then back and sideways. It looked like they were a bit overalled by it all, really. The first 25 minutes, which is really strange. Now, against Westam it's not like you're playing one of the big boys. But there was a few times where they probably maybe needed a dom or a cane to make some runs into the channels maybe to get them out of it and just go along if they have to. We were just kind of making our own little silly mistakes, really, in stupid positions, which nearly cost us a few times as well. It's not normally that ball down the line. Especially when you've got mobile strikers like we had with dom and cane. I think the difference between an enchilote and other managers who haven't recently is that ball would have been and I think enchilote was trying to get into some control on the ball. I think sometimes with the two quick strikers in terms of Keenan, Gare Calvert-Lewin, you want to draw teams on to you. So sometimes those quick passes, I think we took too much time passing it around the back. We're still a couple of seconds too slow in terms of getting it around the back. But you draw teams on to you, then you want to press. That's at the rate of the Premier League at the moment. And then you hit them with that ball. I just don't think we did things quick enough. I think you could slow process the ball. The transition through the midfield is still too slow. I think what we're seeing is that we are changing the style of the team and we're still going to have a bit of a hangover from what Mark Hussilfer liked to do. I think the contrast between the two of the game last year where we just came out and just ran them off the pitch and the seasons where we're trying to control it more away so we aren't giving away as many points. You're going to see a bit of, you know, you're going to see little grown pains and I think we saw that on Saturday. But yeah, I think the first half wasn't great, but I think the goal was silly foul by Delford, wasn't it really? Yeah. I mean, Jordan Pickford's coming for some stick over the last six weeks, whatever. But I thought he'd done all right Saturday. He made a really good save from Seb Halley with his feet, you know, again, giving the ball away and Westam broke on us. And I thought he stood up well and made a higher type save with his feet, you know, good block. And then, you know, we should have heeded that one because they had had a header from the other side which he got in front of Holgate and it just went wide and we couldn't seem to just get going. That's all I thought. You know, our best hope of getting going seemed to be Bernard. He was, you know, his first touch and coming inside. A couple of times we had knocked the ball around well and Delford got in almost a couple of times with a diagonal. And the only real opportunity we had in the opening half an hour was the one where Dean fired at a cross and he just missed Domin. I think Walcott's got to do better now. It was difficult, but he hit it into the floor and Randolph's had a position. If he hits that cleanly, it's 1-0 because they keep us too far over. But like you said, and we then go and concede a stupid free kick, which, you know, against teams like Westam, well, not even teams like Westam, but a lot of teams, not all of them in the Premier League, danger has given set plays away around the years. I think he went a bit more finesse because he nearly got the ball. I think if he didn't go in so physical with his body, he wouldn't have been able to hit such a ball. He just overran himself and went right through the player, which you can't give the way, especially with our problems with set-piece over the last two, three years. We need to avoid silly mistakes, silly decisions making the errors like that. The ball comes in, obviously. Well, it's not a classic to go ball, doesn't it? Well, if he plays against us, doesn't he just pace you and have you going to win it when you get it from? It's a great ball in. Could we have done better defensively or is it one of them? He just nipped in front of the defender. I watched it back again this morning. I couldn't pick out anyone at fault. He was running with Keane, but he ran a pass to the player to get the flick on. He ran past Delfin Keane. Just to clarify, it was Dioff because people on the line had four or five different players. It was Bonner, Dioff again. It was this or Dioff. A nice little death there, wasn't it? It was a great ball. Something we don't seem to do, when we get to play. It was a good ball there, and it was 1-0. I mean, I don't know about YouTube, but I just thought, yeah, it's been coming back because we just hadn't got any fault. I was worried to be fair. I feel a bit more confident under Carl than it did on the mark. You were just going through the motions in the game, playing on the level of opposition and seeing it all before, but when we started it a bit, we started motoring a bit more. When you go behind, it's about the reaction, isn't it? I thought we reacted well. We went behind, we picked ourselves up, we got a corner, and I think the biggest surprise for our goal was that I come from a corner because we're normally poor, aren't we, off set plays? Good balling from Dean, great little flick from Holgate. Very similar to Tom Davis's goal at Southampton, where there's a Holgate flick, you know. And a great head. I thought it was a brilliant head by Calvert Lewis. I don't know whether enough credit's been given to that because he'd come out of a pace and he had to control it directly. It was a great head, and I was made up to see Dom getting a goal again because I just want him to keep going and keep going because I think strike is thriving and I think the more he gets like that, those goals, the more confidence he'll get. That's just game on the table. It's just game on the table. Everything else will catch up, and if you've got someone who can put the ball in the net regularly, like that, and that was always my criticism of Dom and the Calvert Loom. Never in the right place. All of his work was outside the box or he'd be hanging back way to get goals in the Premier League. Look at the likes of Danny Ings, one of the top scorers. Most of his goals are inside the six-yard box. He's reacting to them. It just shows at Dom as well. I think having a 10-bian just didn't seem to help him. Never got the passes from the 10. He sort of had to come back and hold the ball. Whereas now, he's got someone to wake up. He's got all his goals since Christmas in the 4-4-2. We need this formation to shoot the players we've got. It does. Or a lot of the players we've got, not the whole team. I like the fact that Danny Schlott is still playing the system even though maybe haven't got the field to play it. Because it establishes the other players in the straight away, because my mark is that we waited so long to play the 4-3-3 that was supposed to come along the rise. Never did it. Now you're getting other players, so when players get added to it, they'll be ready to just slot in. It was Duncan Ferg, and he played this. I think that's what's really good about Anciolotti. Obviously Duncan played the system and we were three games on beating the league with it. We've done well in those three games. I think Anciolotti has been really clever there, that he hasn't come in and gone, no, I want to play this new way. He's just gone right. We've been playing that, we've been doing okay. Let's keep this going. The FA Cup game, either formation was bizarre. We had three right side of the plays in the FA Cup match, when you think of it, Colton said they were welcome. Take that out of the equation. In the Premier League, we've generally played 4-4-2. It's worked, and there are eight or something like that. Since Anciolotti coming, we've got 10 points out of 15. Duncan, like I've just said, had five out of nine on beating. The only game we've lost since Amfield at the start of December was Man City away. Really, we might have ended up nicking a point. We've seen Palace do it at the weekend having two shots, I think, in the whole game and getting a two or draw. We had much more than that game. We could have nicked a point. You have to give credit there to the coach, Sue Faggin and to Anciolotti, because from Amfield, we looked so poor at Amfield and we conceded five. Up until that point, we looked like anyone could score against us. We're now keeping it. In general, it's down to the odd goal. I'll say City got two, but in general it's the odd goal. I think they've done that well and I think the more goals Dominic Alford-Lewin can get inside the six-yard box like that on Saturday, the more confident he'll be. The other players will be confident in him as well. I think that's the key thing. When you're a young player or when you're a player, that's battling to get in. I've heard this interview after the game and he was talking about the Evertonians being a tough crowd. You can see the fact that he's mentioned it because he was talking about Anthony Gordon and how well he's done, but he said it's a tough Evertonians and it's hard to please at times. You can see that that's where the more goals he gets. I think it'll create that trust in the fans, that element of one who still don't think he's good enough despite he's got this 11th goal of the scene. People like to pick something. I'm still right about it. People are picking on his technical ability. I've got a promise. Some of that was impressive on Saturday. It was Walcott who played the ball into the box and he fired at him and he had a bit of a... Walcott in the past, he's been a bit too nice and I feel like if he gets that into his game where he's a bit more demanding of the players around him, I think that's the last couple of weeks it's improved his confidence already in relation to belief. It's the thing that when you're playing in any team, it's that thing that A, you belong and then once you feel like you're established in that team, you can start it then, put yours... Some players will come in, you'll have seen it when playing the kids, a ladl cwm in and straight away he's mildy or he'll want it. Other people grow into that role of once they're established, I feel like I can say it now. I think that's with Dom. I was made up with that. We went in at half time, it's 1-1 and let's be honest, we were lucky to be 1-1 at the break. They should have been 2-1 or could have been 2-1. I thought obviously it's transpired to see what he's got at half time and again then what's good about that is there was a response at half time. We came out in the second half and we got control of the game. We had a lot more possession, we dictated it a bit more and we were the team that looked like we were going to score the goal. We had twice, we got Theo Walcott in and both times the one he fired across and Moise Keane almost got on the end of it, he still could have took a bit more care with that, he just hit it. But the one to Dom on the call for Lou and it was a Delphi. Delphi made a 40 yard run and he passed later off to him. He was in the inside. Great wall inside, the full back and if he just rolls it ahead of Dom he's got a tap in at the near post. Does he shoot enough when he's on site as well? Walcott, the times where he's in positions do you think just have a shot sometimes? The Walcott thing goes also relation to the Gordon for Benard at half time because I know a lot of people thought why he's been on and coming off like 4-4-2 where the left winger is the man who cuts inside and your right winger is actually a right winger who goes down and makes direct runs getting into the box and we haven't got a player path to walk like that, it's been like that for nearly two years now. And I understand why Benard come off because it's tactically that's what he wants to do rather than stick to his principles then go with something he's uncomfortable with and if it doesn't work then he'll lose confidence in that thought. Walcott's great up into a certain point I find he gets in the box gets in the dangerous positions it's one on one or whether it's the cross or the pass it just never seems to come off for him and that's what... He's the blueprint of what we need for a right winger he's the pace, he's direct but his final ball and his finish is terrible and that's what's holding him back and he's 30 now so it's not like he's going to grow into a winger and he goes in the team Were you surprised at Benard come off now? I was surprised and I wouldn't have took him off but I understood what he was doing but I wouldn't have took him off because I think he's the only creator play we've got and I actually thought he was one of our better plays in the first half Last 20 minutes of the first half Benard was coming into the game nice few little touches him in Dean and Calvert Lou and he was playing a few good balls in when he didn't come out of the half-time I was like I must be injured I must be injured and then he didn't come and then obviously after a year he was like tactical I mean that's a big call though isn't it putting Anthony Gordon on his Premier League debut at half-time you know I can understand I'm not saying I'm not criticising it was good and it's good that the lad's gone on but what I mean is it's a big call for him to manage it because he's not seen Anthony Gordon the first minute to be fair I think when Benard comes off I think I haven't really laughed a bit a guy on the team so he's cut open an opportunity and he's gone a bit more direct bit more of a goal scoring threat so it was a bit of a change but I think he's quitted himself well he's got everything on the ball Benard at times they need to keep the ball he's very good at doing that and I thought we lost a bit of that I just wondered if it was the other thing with that as well is because Zaballeta got in a few times in the first half and Benard wasn't really normally he does track really well but he wasn't really tracking him very well the problem with this is just because he's coming inside a lot it's trying to make the ground up then obviously that's where the sense of a fear problem is coming but then if you think about the second half Zaballeta never got in because Gordon was there and he had someone else and he had someone else so worry about it maybe so I suppose in that aspect it was good you pinned them back because that's what you do but I thought the second half I thought we did we really pinned them back like I said we had that one if Walcott plays that ahead of Tommy he's got a tap in for 2-1 and the Gordon had the half chance which he snatched that and the only real West Ham had two attempts Pickford made two he's one of the flexing from Snodgrass which might have been creeping wide anyway pushed it wide and the other one was the header which he made look a little bit more difficult than probably it should have been and yeah I wouldn't like to see a bit more control but I didn't think it would be safe because Simon for that kind of just again second half we made the changes with Bro Moes Keen don't know right up to a point then he looked like he was tired I've got no problem with him I know you had the issue with him obviously bringing the ass on which is bad but Keen's playing those he'll eventually get to the 19 minutes I think he's getting that level step up and I think he did fine I think I haven't got the players to play to him yet because we haven't got that missing up in a guard to put him in behind that's the Robies that fed him in behind because that starts panicking with the fence so there's a couple of ones second half where we put together a good move and there was one where we were three on seven Don don't need it for some reason he's come off the defender brilliantly and if he takes it he's facing up a goal and we've got Keen to the left Keen was a bit surprised one of you I think he was ready to be sitting Don should just tuck it in his hand we just left it and it was behind and it was Keen we had one in the first half where it was filled away he played the ball behind and it came and he broke you can just see that they haven't played together so it's a case of... Do you think they can play together in a two then too? No I think they can because I think Don will always better in the air obviously and I think his hold up plays better and I think Keen's will run it but it's like Andy said you've got to have someone to get him in behind the problem I have with Evidence Midfield is everything is just safe Tom Davis is the only one right to thread the ball through but what he found himself they got round him I think because of the way he played the Goddison if you remember when we beat them a Goddison Tom Davis was breaking and and they couldn't live with it and they had people round him noble and rice got straight on him and because Delph doesn't really break into their half they were on Tom Davis so there was no opportunity to get passed that will get Moise Keenan I just thought first off I thought they looked a bit like you could tell they hadn't played together before It'll work because I think Keen can play like a Charles not the same but he can run into his channels he can break off the front but he's obviously not as... You've got better both of them I thought of the game and on together I mean I wouldn't throw him off in the ass because I just think with quite publicly trying to get who you are in the ass also though I don't have him probably being on the bench because you're probably not going to risk Alice Sims at this point and you're not going to risk anyone else who's on the U team so I suppose he's doing it black Must we've got injuries Lewis Gibson made it on to the bench he's not being on the bench all season it's a good thing for him it's a little bit of a bit of confidence going away with the team see him I think it's been a great if he stands a new deal Listen he needs to go on he needs to go on play let's see what he's like against big rock centre forwards using their elbows can he deal with it because he's a good footballer you can take the ball down and play with the left foot nice left foot on him but can he cope with the difficulty I don't know but we had a couple of half chances in that second Tom Davis had a volley which was blocked just went over and he had the other Andy Gordon had the woman slide it through there was positive stuff going on on Andy Gordon his debut got his numbers here 18 touches 2 shots 8 successful passes not bad is it 4 successful attack 2 through balls 4 ball recoveries which is good 1 successful dribble 1 successful tackle committed 3 fouls 1 which was a great foul 4 fouls just like clever but he had a lot of fouls he had a lot of fouls so he had a go over to the show I mean Joe's put start on the 11 soon and on that you've got to you've got to You've been around the first team for this season and shallot you'll evaluate and based on what the plans are for the summer and then if we can't find enough time for the next season they've got a good loan and I think they'll find the good loan I'm not going to send this league on a James somewhere like that trying to get a good loan he's got the ends of the end of the season that's the thing I thought as the game went on and on he got a lot better I thought first 10-15 you could tell it was all a big big thing for me so much faster isn't it I thought last 20 minutes of the game I thought he grew into the game really really well the thing about him is he's allowed to work that when Andy was speaking before on our way in and talking about someone like Cair and Dahl who people were big enough and he's going to do this and he's going to do that and Dahl's got a lovely left foot but he's got no work right he's got none of that and Anthony Gordon you know was Dave you was up in that committee of three files as you've seen Eris into the game he'd had a great little dribble and like you said that little through ball almost got don't know whether it was Dom or it was Dom you almost got him in he's had the shot he's had two shots so brave enough to take it on at this you know at 18 and we've seen him score some great goals at 23 level and he's got the pace as well and he's got the height it's that to go with it so 20 minutes here and there I think he's keen now for him and if I was Carlo Ancelotti or what I want to see is I'd like to see him on the bench for 95% of the games now till the end of the season and get him on as often as we can like you've just said whether he fits in and whether he belongs or whether it's a case of he needs a loan because listen some players will come in and we'll take to it like that the more games he plays we're talking about Dom and the Calvert living feeling like he belongs the more games he plays and you know me and Pad spoke about it last week he could be almost a Bernard role in the team so I know he was just up for Bernard at the weekend but if you're Bernard normally does 70 minutes and then he starts like getting a bit so if it's then Anthony Gordon then that's substituted and comes on and comes inside about that it gives him a role in the team where there's not as much pressure on him he's just a sub and he can come in and the team can stay doing what it does where they think a criticism for someone like Marco Silva was it be like a right back for a right back but not in a change you know Dom Mason Algateon Tom Davis Rudd he's been played by previous managers there was no debuts on the marker was there didn't have a single maybe you could say maybe they weren't ready but still it's nice to see the Carlo and I think it gives Marcel brands more credence to try and shake up that youth set to try and get us to produce more and more players because we might be producing Anthony Gordon every two years but that's what we need to do there to save us money in the long run you want to be seeing players like Darren the Bench now you don't really want to be seeing players who are in our future potentially he's going to be our future maybe or hopefully he is you'd rather have him on the Benson like maybe a Schnaddle and all someone who might not be there at the end of the season like a Neass or a half The ATM was last week Marcel brands done his presentation and you look on at that squad and you go you know Neass and Martin are in the corner flag it'll be when he's in the thing and you have a look at people layering you go and me and Andy this is something we spoke about before as well with the squad if you look at someone like Liverpool who are absolutely waltzing the league this year they only have a small squad really 17, 18, first teamers and then it padded out with a couple of squad plays and then a couple of kids are in and out quite often you look at Liverpool's Bench you'll go and see there's like one front and this is something man United have done for years and I think if Everton can improve the level of player in the face 14-15 and then padded out with people like Anthony Gordon you're building up to him Lewis Gibson people like that Lewis Dobbins coming through another one who they've got high hopes for Ellis Sims maybe scoring goals I think we've seen this week I don't know whether you'll add so when Everton do the little training videos on your vanguards that's 16 and he's in with the first team and you've got Dennis Radden-Earons in he's scored a couple of cracking goals the other night against Ford but there's players who are training with the first team every day it's good that that's 16 and you're getting put in with the first team training is a big thing you need that because you did well a couple of years ago when Pep First came and they had a league development squad where four or five of the kids play every week and it brings the level up I think that's what we fell for and was one of them at Sand Show was the other one and what you do is you get a gauge if the coping against I know sometimes the barometer of us isn't always the greatest of our players but if you're coping with training because it's so quick it's miles quicker than what they used to it's thinking it's not even you might be as fast as a player or you might be as strong as a player but what first team and Premier League players have that ability to think quicker it's one of my favourite games sometimes you can see he's half there half now he doesn't take a second quick and it'll come that takes time and it doesn't need to bother Learons it was good to see him to see Anthony Gordon settling one player who I thought was absolutely magnificent was this fella and again this is someone who I think the three of us me yw'n pedon on in the season and when we were doing the shows where we were saying we're unsure because we just haven't seen enough of him we know that he's got great attributes but he's never ever been given a consistent run to say I think we're all worried is he too slight to play centre back we don't know he's beefed up a little bit I think he's been absolutely brilliant and this is one of them is this not one of those situations where alright for the greater good of the team it wasn't so good that we got care to me because we might have been better but what it's done is it's given this lad a chance to firmly establish himself because let's be honest had we got care to me he might have gone back on loan or been sold you look at the I've been thinking about Holgate because I was wondering the improvements that he needs to make I didn't expect him to make in such a short space of time and then you know you look at the Coleman he struggled a bit before I couldn't really get going on the team went to Blackpool had that promotion run then came back and was starting right back and then you look at my Snoggy I know he played right back last season but the experience clearly has done him a lot of good playing every week he loved his time there playing on big games and the improvement when he's come back my biggest criticism used to be his positioning and his decision making in terms of sense and danger you looked at the night there was a situation on the barline but Holgate usually in the past he made the move to go over he would have started doubting himself he followed through and put the ball out and thought that's a maturity that we hadn't seen from him before now I'm confident enough to make these decisions and he'll get the ball that's a difference and his positioning is much better he's such a good passer from the back that beats about six players right through the middle to there one of the first half he took six players and that's evident of Laxans John Stones really he's been in the squad we need to be able to play from the back out you can cut your time in the field he's actually a sister see he's been fantastic here you know that the one that brightened the little rambias if he didn't mean to continue a partnership he might not be looking for a 40-50 he might be looking for another Mason Holgate someone to bring him behind them rather than a Michael Keane but then I think David will be in a better position we can get players like him up to 11 I think the thing with Holgate what separates him from a lot of younger players and I think the thing why I always thought he had a chance was he's got that belief in himself I don't want to call it arrogance because I don't know whether it is arrogance but it's that confidence I mean we've seen him shove for me now into the stand and not back down we've seen him in Derby, he's having a go up he's having a go up Fabian Delph he has a go up he doesn't care because he knows how to defend now a couple of times this season he's been caught out position I still don't understand the deli Alley thing when he turns side on but at the end of the day kids will make mistakes won't they and defenders make even the best defenders make mistakes that's the way it is it happens but I just think he's been absolutely brilliant for us and I think the more games he plays the more confidence he is he's playing his best position as well people like after the West Brom he's always been a centre half I think right back he was decent same with John Stones though he's a centre half he's a centre half and I think the long war he plays again let's evaluate to the end of the season if we think the whole game is the future then we don't need to go and spend £40-50 million on a centre back you find someone for 20 million who can come in he's been a better position he's been really good the game for me where I realised how well he's doing was the man United game away from me even though he was in the centre of the park he was the best player on the pitch maturity the more games you play the more belief you get you actually start knowing that the fans are starting to believe in you then he's never really had that long long run in the team and then we had about four or five games on the silver last season when we had a few injuries but I don't feel like anyone's ever given that belief where he's like you're going to make it as an Everton player it's always been a bit like Holgate might go on loan or he might play him right back because Coleman's not playing well but I think this season I think I said it a couple of months when you used to doing the lives about everyone was going on he's not going to play with Michael Keane I was like he should be playing ahead of Michael Keane in my opinion because he's got that arrogant he's got belief he's got the snidey side to him he's a leader he's a leader to him and for a young lad he's the one marshalling that back forward back five whatever it is and I liked that he gives a bit back to Pickford because at the end of the day he's the main man in that back forward not many people have decided I think he's a meaner I think he's got the pace to get around cover I think meaner's a monster let's be honest when meaner went the problem we had in the first half was Halib was on Holgate and Halett is just physically bigger and Holgate he was just the one out there but meaner when meaner went and put himself next to Halett in the second half he did the goodness I think then he's a really good partnership that's what you want that's what we'll see but I just thought he was excellent for me he was man of the match he got Halett because I matched the Dave what did we make on the Diote yeti but honestly I can't believe it my sense of action wouldn't have gone down there there was nothing I don't even know what he would check it was a headbutt obviously I thought he went down intentionally which I've got no problem because he should have been better well last week we bemoaned well cut staying on his feet for not getting a penalty Angiomotti noticed and we know how far the bloody London stadium is to the pitch he could even say the long jump pick the competition was going on it was obvious it makes me just think we will never get a VAR but what did they decide my thing was it walks it again this morning so okay it wasn't a red card what was it then there's no like it's not a red card there's got to be something should he not have booked them for intent I think he should have booked them if they looked them at Lysian it's not enough for a red but it's going to be a yellow it's going to go like that it's vile and conduct because what are you trying to do I just don't think they are making decisions the whole thing is nonsense it's a red card it's literally blatant I did enjoy by the way with Dan Alders I enjoyed it that's competitiveness that's gamesmanship he could have broke his nose he had 74 touches one assist two successful passes 22 forward passes pass accuracy 89% it's more the forward ones pass accuracy can be quite deceiving but the forward passes because he's had double digits 22 for the forward passes you want to see the passes that pass that's the time pass that will win your games from centre half seven ball recovery seven clearances four successful tackles two shots blocked it was a highlight of the match two players turned out of trouble people pay a lot of money for those types of defenders he's been Rose Royce he's been Rose Royce this season he's the reason why I think people like Moise Keane need more chance because it shows you that when you're young and you're in and out of the team unless you are Wayne Rooney someone of that top top level no one's ready it's got the ability it's difficult to it's difficult to kind of get any consistency because managers will put you in and take you out and I think with him he's shown that if you're given a run you can develop someone like Moise Keane I've seen a lot of people writing him off he's 19 he's in a different league okay we could do with him being a bit better but that's not his fault that's just patience isn't it? it's about being patient and if he had a run of 10 games you might see a massive improvement Saturday was his fourth start just to play 500 minutes people go oh he's playing so many games he's started to think four that was the fourth start he's probably going to start against Newcastle because I'd like to see you and I think of OPs as well I think Bernard needs to I think that's his role in this next game and the chance to stretch Newcastle because there will be opportunities for Calvert Llewyn as well hopefully with the old world class it's just that whole game he's been fantastic all season him and Jerry Meiner really have they've been the two players of the season so far it's a bit of a chance of course at the end of the day I was disappointed with I was disappointed with the results straight off at 10 to 5 when the game finished because of the way we played the second half and it was 1-0 because we didn't look like we were getting into the game and Westamble was definitely in front but the second half for me there was only one team going to win it and it was annoying that we didn't make more of our opportunities but I'll say this every weekend at the end of the season you take one game at a time you make incremental progress on the Calvert Llewyn and we see where we are at the end of the season different managers we're now consistent with our points away I'll take that all day we weren't drawing enough games on the marker we didn't even turn off the first half really so let's take the positives I was just going to say at the start of the season when we were getting beat away to Brighton and I had mentioned it a couple of times where you just kind of take it sometimes and get out of there it's away from home I'll say it's the hardest place to go in the world you're in 19-0 games drawing all your way games you get second first so at the end of the day picking up a waypoint is really important and you're looking at other teams around us they're not really picking up if we could have I think that's probably it because everyone else was drawing you want to move the things that's obvious to me at the moment you can see where the team needs improving the right wings the right backspots they're the real obvious decisions maybe a bit more cut maybe we'll see about a striker I don't think we need one but maybe another option strike maybe Andy Gordon will be there because he can play up front as well as on the wing but we've got those out we know we can see it's very easy for Marcel Brans to fix it you think it's just the case of impatience I understand I'm all about patience as you know I'm a big picture person but I can understand that we've been promised money we've been promised trophies next season is a bit of a free year for Carlo let's be honest we have to push for Europe because the money is different we encourage people to retweet it Swiss Rambles breakdown you can see the 15-20 million that we lose by not being in the Europa League whether it's TV revenue or match revenue so we need that but Carlo can establish it's basically a long pre-season he can establish everything we get the players in hopefully early in the summer at the time but then an hour later you start going we would have probably lost that a while ago it's a point when we move on and we've lost games with Brighton and a Burnley and places like that where if we took a draw we'd be I just look at Wolff's they draw us this year they draw us specialists and they're above look at Chelsea, Chelsea have lost eight games drop points and if Everton can beat Newcastle on Tuesday at home then it'll be another good point moment we look at it and go well you know seven points out of the last nine since the city defeat then it's a 10 day break then haven't they show and then hopefully after that you'll have Ritualys yn y byd o'r bobby you'll be trying with the 13 it'll be on the 30 and another week more 10 days for Carlo to get his points it'll be on the horizon then as well I think it's probably good for the squad then there's a few plays in that team we need a break as well now it's a big big game Newcastle and Everton needs to expend big energy in that game and then you've got the break probably on the fourth five days before the back-and-training Joe's put this in so we'll just very we have just kind of touched on it but Moise Keane I mean what a lot of negativity or I've got this there a lot there's an area of negativity say an account to the push of the negativity around them now what's your what's your take on him he started four games he's a 19 year old kid it's a brand new league for him new country big money move he's just left it massive club in Newvent he's playing with a lot better players he's come to Everton he could have given it a lot of time I said I was messaging Andy I was watching their game yesterday United I watched Fred he had a lot of stick last season rightfully so probably in some games but it's took him a year and he's started to prove to people now what actually a good player is and I think with young players and young kids like him who's been through a lot by the sounds of it in his life already you've got to give him a bit of time and I think we haven't really helped as a club and Mark I didn't really help at the start of the season bringing him in one game and dropping him the next he hasn't really had a free run hopefully he will now we've obviously reached out to him so I think everyone's got to be patient like just I've kind of just stayed off social media for all that type of stuff because I just think you're always going to get the odd no where to gain from you just need to go young kid he's 19 years old you look at other players he's 19 the problem was in the summer and since Llycarchu left everyone wants a new Llycarchu and what's happened is Keane's been brought in and the problem is I think the fans were in set up in the Keane ways is that he is a bit raw we didn't expect him to score 10 goals this season but he is a very talented player you know it's going to take him time he's grown up in Italy you have a couple more seconds on the ball in Italy it's a lot slower type of game you see that's why Italian players generally don't come over here and do well he has got the pace and the ability to do well in this league it's just really on the development time and also at the event is if you look at all his goals at the event is they've got pianist and people playing balls we haven't had that this season and a lot of the games Evan have played chef United games like that it's very hard for him he's got to get used to playing in those tight areas and I think I think people just need to be patient I think this season is just a development season we'll see where he is next season if Evan think he needs a loan I just don't think they will I always come back to stuff as well about players if you look at his pre season he didn't have one and that's a big thing for a football I always went listening to Roy Keane the other day talking about he was saying that if he didn't have a full pre season it took him three or four months to actually get to his full and he would be playing every week and he would be playing every week so this lad just comes to the country didn't have a pre season had a change of manager already had a manager maybe didn't believe maybe didn't want him I don't know if he even wanted him he's got to be a bit patient I think he'll come good The patients for Roy Keane is also the patients around the club I understand that we haven't won anything for years but there needs to be a bit of you can't just rush everything we tried to rush everything we blew money on Premier League players with Sigurds and Keane and others who weren't that good we need to be smarter about this Keane for 22 million down it was a good sign he had a year left on his contract he was a real once he was coming to us where he could play and develop he didn't want him to go and say the top six didn't sign he wouldn't have developed there's a plan in place for him there's agent with everything it needs to be patient you've got to give them time nab i Keane to when he went to Liverpool he hasn't established himself he's set up a bit of a rum it's like Gabriel has used his shit as we play there city just used him as a shove a glimpse in his first season and two seasons are doing nothing young players take time he's only 19 people go with a car who at 19 the car who was in the first team and I'm elected 16 he was six foot three and well built people are runey-esque in a sense people develop at different ages Tom Davis got a lot of stick on sat there yes he did give the ball away too much but it's a new system people need to be patient with these players they're not the problem Moise Keane is the problem there's other players that need to look at them first and get someone who can create the answers for them if I was Moise Keane the target for him would be to try and get five or six goals before the end of the season and I think one will do at the moment I'm just saying I think it's a lot of confidence going into next season I think if he can establish himself get games before the end of the season have a run maybe three games on the run and see if he can get himself a goal and build his confidence up of where he needs to be and then he's got ancilloti there and he's got the staff, the Italian sort he's got someone who believes in him and if he's calm about it but he seems to be then it's a case of building and next year and I'm going to be forcing my way in and they're all going to be talking about me and that's where we've got to be as fans who man he asks come on and didn't really do anything to do it's the ask and the club at Trinogarham obviously the club at Trinogarham he had this season when he scored a few goals he should never have been signed right it's not his fault he was signed he's got a lot of criticism Cumin bullied them obviously at the time it was the sign of Bournemouth Bournemouth but we won't be making signs like that again we're not going to sign people off a newspaper saying they got a Russian player of the year I think the club it was the needs most on Saturday there was no other players you can't bring Ellis Sims and he's just not ready so he asked that to be on the bench I used to say you see some rubbish online people comparing the accent key well let's be honest there's a bit of there's questionable things going on well there is because people want to be right about people I said he didn't have a face touch I said you know everyone said Tony Cavill was terrible there's people online who still think he's terrible he's going to score 10 goals this season oh goals doesn't matter you're all round different goalposts people change the goalpost we don't like players so it always happens there you go and we move on from it we can beat Newcastle then again that we look back and go going to the next little break on a good little run there recovering from a defeat if you're taking 7 points from 9 you're flying you'll fly up this league especially a poor inconsistency a couple of wins you're up there that's what's got to be the time I'll be finishing this off though let's leave it on that ultra positive there you go that's what we are let us know in the comments 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