 Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering AWS re-invent 2017, presented by AWS, Intel, and our ecosystem of partners. Hey, welcome back everyone here live in Las Vegas, the CUBE's coverage of Amazon re-invent. It's 45,000 people, a lot of action. Again, three days of wall-to-wall coverage. This is day two, trying not to lose my voice. I'm here with Justin Warren, my co-host this week, among the Stu Miniman, Keith Townsend, a variety of other great, great hosts for theCUBE. Doing our, doing our share to get that data to you. Our next guest is Kellyanne Remethan, who's the Vice President of Product Market at Sumo Logic, but also the author with a group of people from Sumo Logic on a great report that they have out called Modern Applications in the Cloud. And he came in, took some time to come from his meetings to come on theCUBE to talk about it, because we've been riffing on what is a modern application, what is a modern cloud. You know that, Justin and I, we were talking about this renaissance in software development. Obviously the cloud wars are happening, the waters being pulled out, that tsunami's coming, it's changing the face of startups, IT, and developers at the heart of the action, a new cultural renaissance. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you very much. So, little editorializing there, no pining, but we believe that we are seeing a sea change of renaissance in software. Because the things that are now possible, the creativity, the power of developers, the end-to-end visibility into services is just like putting a PowerPoint slide together or Lego blogs, it's just like, it's so easy, not, but I mean, it could be easy, it's easier. Absolutely. So modern applications are top of our minds. So, everyone wants to be modern, they want to be hip, they want to be cool, but there's some serious work getting done right now in the cloud, and there's a shift of greatness coming. What is your report show, because we want to dig into it. What the hell is a modern application? Absolutely. Is Oracle a modern application? Do I buy Watson at IBM? I see that on TV a lot. What is a modern application? Yeah, let me, let me, thank you, John. So let me start with a quick introduction about SumoLogic, so that I can set a context about this modern application report. So, SumoLogic is a cloud-native machine data analytics service, and what we do is to help our customers manage the operations and security of their mission-critical applications, right? The end goal to our customers is that now they can deliver an application with very good security posture and with exceptionally good customer experience. Now, we've been in AWS for about seven years, we have about 1,600 customers under management today. So, what we've been able to do in this modern application report is to fundamentally mine data from our customers in a very anonymous way, and give insights into what typically makes up a modern application in the cloud, right? And when we talk about modern application, I typically see three characteristics to this modern application. First and foremost, many of these applications are indeed architected, or perhaps I should say even re-architected in public cloud environments like AWS, or Azure, or Google Cloud Platform. Secondly, many of these applications are built using DevOps and agile trial practices, so the rate and speed of change in this application is completely off the charts. The third thing that we are starting to see a lot more of is that many of these applications are built using microservices-style technology, so it's very easy to compose these applications. You can put them together very easily, you can make changes to these applications a lot. So, that's our typical definition of a modern application. Yeah, okay. Well, we heard Andy Jassy, I think, one or two days ago was talking about if I started AWS again from scratch, today I would be using serverless. So, I wouldn't be deploying virtual machines, I wouldn't actually be using a lot of the AWS services that we have today. So, what are you seeing in the momentum for how developers are using the different types of stack? So, we're seeing a lot of growth in NoSQL, we're seeing a lot of growth in serverless functions. If I was starting a modern application today, what would my stack look like? Yeah, I mean, that's at the heart of the report that we put together, right? The report actually provides an end-to-end application stack, starting all the way from the infrastructure layer to the applications, and then even perhaps the management and the security technologies that you may need to manage these modern applications well. So, let's start out with the infrastructure layer, right? So, what Sumo Logic has identified, you know, anonymously again, mining our customer data is that, you know, on the infrastructure side, Linux rules as a operating system goes without saying. Linux is the dominant operating system in AWS. And that is to be understood. But here's the other interesting data point, Linux is also getting significant foothold in the Azure world. And that is, you know, not commonplace knowledge today, right? I mean, you would expect that Windows is ruling the Azure world, but we are actually starting to see dramatic year-over-year growth in terms of Linux within the Azure world. Now, let's move up the stack, right? Let's go from the host and the operating system now to the container world. What we are starting to see is dramatic growth in container adoption within AWS. Last year, when we put out the first version of this report, we saw that 18% of our customers are using Docker within AWS. This year, we are seeing that one in four customers are actually using Docker within their environment. NoJS, we saw a new Relic had a report, too. They laid out a little bit different instrumentation of it, they wanted languages. Python with NoJS, certainly NoJS, really awesome for the cloud. And you're seeing that continue to be great. How does that going to fit into Azure, for instance? What are they doing in their clients? So we were talking about Azure, right? So you look at their numbers, right? Azure versus AWS, OS adoption. Okay, Linux is moving up because they made that announcement. But people have been looking at Azure and confused by the Azure stack. It's almost like a black box. Here, Amazon lays it out very cleanly. How has the Azure stack piece impacted? You know, Microsoft, you know, they have historically been a much more of a close ecosystem. But I think in the Azure world, we are definitely starting to see Microsoft open the Kimono in some sense and start to adopt, you know, not just open source technologies, but also technologies that are not very core to the Microsoft stack itself. A lot of our customers who are using us in Azure today are, as I mentioned, they're using Linux in a fairly significant way. We are also starting to see Azure functions being used in a significant way. In terms of the entire application stack, again, Azure has, you know, while they are behind AWS in terms of the number of services, the richness of the services, we are starting to see them catch up in a very significant way. Here's a pointed question for you. It's a tough question. Maybe tough to answer, maybe you know the answer. A lot of people try to fake it until they make it. Yes. And you've heard that term around. You really can't fake being a modern application. So what do you see as ones that aren't making it in terms of architecture and stacks? Maybe it's legacy trying to bolt on a little bit of a glam front end, JavaScript or node. Where's the failure or having one relational database, maybe Oracle and trying to blend that in? Is there a formula that you see that's not working? You know, I think the act of just putting on a shim around a legacy technology and calling that modern, I think what we are starting to see more and more of that is that, you know, that is, that can take you so far, but only so far, right? The underlying infrastructure technologies of today, especially containers. And you know, you guys heard Andy Jesse talk about Kubernetes today at his keynote. There are such technology advances that are so core to the architecture of the modern app that if you choose not to implement them and if you just, you know, put a, in something, the lipstick on a pig and a tiny little shim on top of a legacy application. Brings a little bit of glacier on things, yeah. I mean, you know, can you get away with it for a year or so? Absolutely. But when you're talking about, you know, dealing with extreme scalability, high elasticity, security of the kind that is needed for most enterprises, that's where the legacy technology and just a sprinkling of dust as you described it is going to fall apart. I love the top two of the three top data are no sequel. Interesting, you got MySQL, Redis, Mongo and Postgres SQL, then Cassandra, and then Redshift. Redis really kicking ass at number two. Absolutely. That's surprising. I always love Redis, but that's moving up. That's ahead of Mongo. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Redis has a huge following. It's a in-memory database, as you know. It also has a lot of shades of no SQL. It's flexible. It's very flexible, absolutely. So, I mean, the interesting data point in the database analysis that we did was that in the cloud world, no SQL and SQL are pretty much head to head, right? So, I mean, the way we think about it is that, you know, when you are re-architecting your applications to the cloud, it really gives you the opportunity to step back and say, what do I do with my data store? Does it have to be the oracle of the past? Can I re-architect it for something that's more optimized for what I'm trying to do now? And that's where I think no SQL has really caught on. I mean, you know, Justin, we were talking yesterday and Andy's keynote added one-on-one with him a week ago. It's good that some of my content made into his keynote because one of the things that I've been banging on, we talked about yesterday was these modern databases, modern apps could have multiple databases. And you look at Redis, there's different use cases. You know, DynamoDB is slow on look-ups. I might want to have a queue there. I might want to tie it with Redis in a little bit of architectural shape. It's a whole new normal. It's not a rhetoric pony. Yeah, Redis is really popular in the Kubernetes community, I know. So, as we see Kubernetes growing, then I expect that the Redis growth will also follow that. The question is, and he put on his keynote was, the new modern app can have multiple databases. This is going to have a huge impact. How does that impact this report? What are you seeing? Because now it kind of changes the game. It's not one, it's not just, can't just throw MySQL at it or Mongo. It used to be the old days Lampstack. I can say, okay, Mongo is awesome. I'm going to build my app and now I've got to integrate it with another app. Yeah, now absolutely. I mean, you know, we're seeing heterogeneity across the board, right? And that is part of the goal of a report like this too, right? I mean, we put this report out mostly focused on cloud architects, DevOps engineers, SRE engineers who are rethinking what it takes to run an application in the cloud, maybe AWS, Azure, et cetera. And we wanted to provide them a roadmap of what are their peers doing in this world? Well, we really appreciate you, Sumo Logic, doing a report. New Relic has one. We love these kind of reports of them and they're this good. We'd like to talk about them. I know you're being really nice and you don't want to lose customers by pissing off other cloud guys because you're in Switzerland. You play with all of them. But there's really some interesting data here that points to who's leading and who's not. And then the stacks do matter. The developers are influencing IT decisions now. So knowing the stack, knowing your stack, what works for developers, super important. We're going to keep track of it. We'll certainly invite you into our Palo Alto studios to do some check-ins on the report. Maybe do a deeper dive, appreciate it. Yeah. And all I'll say is this report is available on our website. It's, you know, you don't have to register. You get it. Free. They only have it for an email address, which is great. So thanks so much Sumo Logic. Thanks for coming on theCUBE and breaking down the report. More live coverage here from Las Vegas for Amazon re-invent. I'm John Furrier, Justin Warren. We'll be right back with more after this short break.