 So this is a Jason Street Def Con groups global coordinator. I'm here in wonderful Shenzhen, China I'm at the joint DC 010 and DC a 6755 meetup here and I'm talking to the Founder and the coordinator for the DC 010 Group from Beijing Jun Lee. It's like let's give a talk to him Hi, Jun Lee, how are you doing? It's like so How did How did you get started in DC? Actually, how did you get started in Def Con? How did you actually when was your first Def Con and What got you started? Okay, I heard of Def Con in 2015 And I submitted a paper a talk to Def Con and And my talk got approved and I was invited to give a talk at Def Con 23 I think But when I went to the consulate to apply for visa and I was asked this question Why are you going to the US and I told them I'm going to give it all to the conference for Def Con Is that a hack conference? I asked. I told them yes, it's a hack conference No, I told them actually yes, yes, it's not all about hacking It's a hacking conference, but it's not all about it's doing good, good, good, good thing But they rejected my visa and I think that might be the common case for many hackers Chinese hackers because Tenshin between China and the US is very yeah, so I think when I met Jason And later we made many times and Jason told me that I can start a Def Con group at my own city Beijing So I was very excited. I think I want to start one. So everybody can have a place to meet and to talk with just each other so So that's how I Got started and I talked to Jason and Jason approved my Def Con group Applications then at last year's internet security conference in China We just fired up the Def Con group Very well, very well So that's how we get started. I just want to bring Def Con To China for many people to enjoy it because I think Def Con is really great The spirit of Def Con the hackers at Def Con is very different than we thought Before we went to Def Con Because you know Def Con At Def Con hackers have hacking and hackers have broader sense of meaning They mean like if you're doing something good, and I'm very focused on it You are hacking that something not just computer security or what I know You're retiring or what happened Very nice. So What do you want to see happen Uh at your Def Con group for for what does the Def Con group mean for you? It's like is it a place for people to just drink and have fun or is it because it's about learning It's like well for some people it is it's just a social place to meet So, uh, what is uh, what is Def Con groups for you? What do you want to see Def Con groups become here in in uh, Beijing? Okay, I think Def Con group is not a place to drink. Of course you can drink here, but not the not the main goal Right. Yes. I want to at first I want to like Gather around a bunch of people to talk about like techniques problems I I would have But now I see that as many people are enjoying joining this Def Con group and they are having fun learning stuff here I think that's kind of achievement. I'm very happy and proud of that You know, everybody can learn something. That's you should be this is a great meetup. Yes Everybody is having fun here. I think that's great I think I think it's important to for the chinese hacker hackers hacker communities to Get in touch with the overseas Hacker communities With the communities all around this world. I think that's very important I agree. It's like Yeah, and do you think um With the Def Con groups here in Chang'an, it's like do you think this will help? Bring that bridge that gap of communication of the community between the the uh, the western Def Con groups and the eastern Def Con groups You think there'll be more A way to collaborate. It's like how would you like to see other groups in other parts of the world? Um, maybe collaborating with you here in china Of course, I think bring bringing Def Con group here Is the first step as you can see we have like included many nano really Uh, it's just like the smaller version of the community. I think right So i'm introducing Def Con elements into china's hacker meetups Right as this is the first step maybe in the future. I will like collaborate with other Hacker communities like in other country india Actually in africa or whatever right, so I think Maybe they have some difference They might be different than Def Con So I think it's very good. Yeah, I think so too. It's like I I'm very impressed and very happy with It's I mean just in a year's time That that it started out when we started out In beijing to see The Def Con group Start out so big and the spirit of Def Con coming here and really You know just getting involved in this community and giving back to the community. It's a great thing It's like, I think you guys have done a great job. Yes. Thank you. I'm very excited as well because You know, I have Convived the idea of Def Con the spirit that they come to them that Hacking is not only about computer hacking. That's what always Chinese people think about hacking Hacking is like a pick up a bunch of insurers at maybe they are good at There's something they share with each other. I think that's Lots of hacking definitely. So, uh, I'll leave it on one last thought. It's like if Using this opportunity What do you want people who have never been to China never been to a Def Con group? Maybe either It's like, what do you want them to know about? Uh, the Def Con group? Uh, oh Okay Okay, I want them to know that the Def Con group and Chinese hackers Might be different than this one. Right. Yes as As long as you didn't haven't come to China for this group, right or other group like the group in Shenzhen they don't like Criticize Chinese hackers for doing like the evil stuff Because Chinese hackers are like I think it's more Like they need for innocence than other hackers maybe I think because you can see they are Welling to share what they are doing Right Those the stuff they're doing is very valuable and very So what you're saying is like, uh, a lot of people stigmatize hackers in general Yeah, uh and make them look like negative, but that also goes into the hacking community It's like they stigmatize Chinese hackers. Yes even more so Yes, it's like and so and and that's not and that's it's unfair to criticize all hackers in one group Yes, just as it is to criticize Chinese hackers Yeah, you can tell from the news of the like u.s. Media Right always like use Notorious Yeah Well, the good news is is now they're now they're all picking on Russian hackers now So it's like the media has moved on it's like as we are as we Chinese Have encountered this problem. I think it's at least you should let the Russian hacker community see Okay, you know they are to see what they are doing In order to like doing the criticism. I totally agree. It's like the it's it's very easy for the media to scapegoat or for people to Um, if they don't understand the thing to make assumptions. So it's it's good to actually see Uh deaf con groups in action here. It's good to see what's going on. It's it's it's a great work It's a great community here. So thank you for your time. Thank you for uh, for sitting down and talking to deaf con groups Uh, I greatly appreciate it. I also thank you for coming a long way from the u.s. And then our deaf con group is great And uh, you as you can tell that Your your talk got the most questions Okay, uh Right. Well, well, thank you for having me. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you