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I'm just, let me get in the comments. Come on, old man. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. You ain't telling no lie, I'm gonna chop it. Okay then. Look, if you don't chop it up, you can't make a lot of money. That's where I come from. That's the era I come from. You got to chop it up. You know what I'm saying? No, it ain't about this. It's that tension span. People don't have, not everybody has a tension span. No, what I'm saying is where I come from, you gotta chop it up. Oh, you're talking so much. Check it, man. Man, screw it. There you go. Hey, we got some guys here today, y'all. They don't need no introduction. These two guys right here, man. Patriots and the whole hip hop world, the whole era of the South man. Hey, man, we got a lot of y'all about to love this show right here, man. Listen, man. I got some stuff to show y'all today, man. I got, oh, there's no limit up, man. This guy right here, Fiend been with no limit and so much more. But Smoke D, Smoke D, man. I heard you the first time, man. I ain't gonna lie. When I first heard you, it was on that. It wasn't on the front, back, side, or side. Really, I did not know you on that, but I knew you from with that dang riding dirty, man. Lied from the pin, man. Lied from the pin, man. Yeah. Lied from the pin. How you guys doing, man? Bless, man. Really good. Bless? Yes, sir. Man, y'all, looking good, man. You know what I'm saying? I got all these great unicorns that come in here, man. You know, all of them got old, man. Y'all making it feel old, man. Don't let that old, then, right? Don't let that old, man. Don't let that old, man. So, man, hey, man, listen, man. One thing I love about a hip hop man in the South, man, you know, you really, from where y'all come from, man, think about how far we've come since then. You know, the South wasn't really respected at all when we first started this journey, man. You know what I'm saying? Far as the music go, man. But guys like y'all, man, y'all didn't even pay that no attention, man. It was more about the vibe in the music for the South, right? Right. Right? So, Steph, you want to get into it a little bit? I know you want to. Yeah, sir. I don't want to just over-exceed. See, he's the music guy. I'm not a music guy, because I always feel like, before I love you as a musician, I need to know who you are as a person coming up as a kid. Because a lot of times, the reason why you write the things you write is because of the things you've been through as a childhood coming all the way up that got you where you are. So, I just want people to know your history. So, let's start off with you first. Okay. Small D. Small D. Yes, sir. Born and raised. Mississippi? Born and done for raised in Mississippi. Okay, born in Denver. How old were you when you moved? Probably about two. Two. So, you don't remember nothing about no Denver color, right? None. Mississippi. Mississippi all the way. Mississippi, South Texas, Mississippi. Okay. So, how come you were born and what happened, right? My mom is from Mississippi. My father is from South Texas. And they both met in Denver some kind of way. Oh, and they stayed up there till they had a baby. Yeah, then one decided to come back to Mississippi and the other one decided to go back to Texas. Oh, so they split up? Yeah. And you were two? Yes, ma'am. And you stayed with your mom? Yes, ma'am. Did you get time with your dad at all? Do you know your father? No, ma'am. Don't know him at all? No, I don't know him. Never met him? I met him, but I met him. I don't think that you'll ever know a person. You can kind of only know of them, right? Like, you never know what anybody vantage point is. So, I had a chance to meet him several times, even travel with him, but I didn't know him. That makes sense to me. Because he didn't open up and you didn't try to break up? I mean, just reading the bottle or something, it tells you all the ingredients, but like, in life, I never had a chance to... Really spend that time? I never had a chance to run to him when I got in trouble. Oh, okay. I miss, you know, I miss some of the elements of the drink. I know. You know what I'm saying? But I always say, like, if it's in the past, you can't go back and recreate the past, but if he's still here, you can now move forward from now onwards as long as the door is open. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know. Do you feel like him not being there in your life as a child growing up affected your life anyhow? I suppose, I suppose I'm just, I'm thankful to be here and I'm happy with who I am now. I don't, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of one of those questions, like you have to be there to answer it. I don't know if I would have actually turned out better or worse, because I didn't have that opportunity to spend time with him like that. Did you have any male figures in your life growing up? No. No? Because I always feel like, and I've always heard that men need to have a male figure in their life to show them how to become a man. I guess, my male figure was me because I didn't have a male figure. I had to create a superhero for myself so I could protect me. I got tired of crying, I got tired of getting beat up, so I just decided I wanted to fight back so my happiness came at the end of my own arm, so. So you were bullied as a kid? Yeah, now I'm a bully, bully, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Get fiend, you got to get this over to the edge. Yes, so. For real, yeah, yeah. How was it for you growing up? I think growing up in New Orleans, how to grow in the Carleton area, I think I had a pretty good life, you know, I'd be lying if I say anything different, you know? Okay. If I say anything different, you know? It went down, it went down, it went on, go along. I'm gonna take a little more coffee, don't even trip. Y'all gonna get you another swig, I know about that cough right there. And when it go down wrong, I'm a country boy. Say, when it go down wrong, you got to stop for a minute and get it right. Y'all don't try that like y'all ain't never done it before. Everybody in here done done that. You know what I'm saying? It's fine, it's fine, it's too hot outside. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Say it, man. You say Carotons, it's Carotons because when I hear about New Orleans, I hear Uptown, I hear downtown, I hear West Bank, I hear, so where is downtown? Uptown, Uptown, Caroton areas, Uptown, Howie Grove, Seventeen Ward, you know? Okay. Ain't that where Birdman in from, Uptown? Birdman is from the Magnolia, Third Ward, Uptown is big. It's big, huh? Uptown is big, you know? It's its own little unique space of New Orleans. You know what I'm saying? Every area is dope and it's own unique way. Yeah. But Uptown is just, I have my own personal upbringing and counting and growth, you know, growth there, you know what I mean? Wow. Man. And were you raised with your mom and dad as well? Yeah, I was raised with my mom and my dad and then at some point in time, you know, they were not seeing eye to eye and then it was me, my mom and my brother. How old were you at that time? 12, but for the most part, you know, I had my dad, I could still recall seeing my dad playing football with us and I was like four in Conrad Park, you know what I mean? And I am talking to me like a grown ass man when I was seven, eight years old using words I had to go look up to have some dialogue with him, you know what I'm saying? Very unique upbringing, but I wouldn't change anything, you know? But at 12 when they split up, were you able to still spend time with him? Yeah, crazy thing is my mom, of course she never, she never bad mouth them, talk bad about them. And it was on me if I wanted to see him, right? So what made her know that I wanted to see my dad was when we moved to it had to be, I don't know how many miles, but it was miles. I would walk back to my old neighborhood from where we was to go see my dad. Wow. So I was like, she was like, you really walked your ass from over here to the third wall back to how I go to go see her dad. I was like, yeah, you know, my cousin's sticker, my grandmother owned like 85% of the blocks, she owned 85% of the properties on the street. Okay. So, you know, my dad and my eyes, my family, you know, he was huge in our village, you know what I'm saying? They, he was loved and my mother was loved and like, was looked at like no different, you know, to say that this was our Liberty world. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you know, when they separated it was time for that separation to happen. Like sometimes people got to go into their own individual corners and get it right, you know. But you know, kids though, the reason why I always ask that too is because kids never, they don't understand the fears of grownups. So even if a parent turned around and tried to explain to them in a decent manner where they still try to love both parents, I always tell my kids, I say, you're not gonna understand until you get your own kids to your grown and really understand the fears of what men and women go through. So that's the reason why I like to ask that because there's so many people watching it who are single parents who don't know that they need to stick into it for the kids or should they split up or how is this gonna affect the kids? Some people are selfish when they're not thinking about the kids. Just like, you know what? We'll be okay. There's so many single parents who are okay. You know what, in a lot of situations, will is strong and love, you know what I'm saying? You can love a car, but are you willing to keep it, you know, and take care of all the maintenance that comes with it? I love this car, but am I willing to deal with the bills that come with the maintenance? So, and relationships, I think those are a lot of things that works with that as well. Will is strong and in love. Are you willing to tolerate some things that come with the relationship? You know, a lot of kids don't process that their parents were had lives before them. Right. And that is another something, you know what I'm saying? She, he may be just feeling they self out at this growth spurt of being a young adult and now I'm a parent. Right. So, you know, that's a lot. You know what I mean? That's a lot. I like to remind my kids that, you know, your mother had a decision about her own life when she decided to get on the table and have you. I don't know if you noticed or not. That's a very, very big sacrifice more than your father. She could have lost her life that day on bringing you into this world. So let's start there first, right? I start there with my kids and I start with them young so they can just process what sacrifice really, really means because I think they can look at their parents a little different. You know what I'm saying? And that allowed me, like I said, my father used to talk to me like a grown-ass man, you know? So that's why you do that with yours? I do. But I ain't gonna lie though, I ended up adopting something differently to my son because I just didn't want to pour so much on him. So I dropped the one knee and I talked to him at his eye level so I don't appear so huge with my voice talking down to him. So I get on his level on one knee and I talk to him. Right now he's 11. But these conversations start to happen when he's four or five. He's so smart, you know. I know all people say that about their kids but my wife is brilliant, right? So my son, I can see that he is smart, a different type of smart for me to see as somebody at age, right? So I'm in the process of being a father but at the same time youthful enough to observe and want to eat that up myself and learn so much from him and us collectively as a family. Yeah, because there's no handbook to parenting at all. No it is. And people don't understand that it's just a triangle. It isn't a handbook but our grandparents were the guideline that was the standard. And I think the standard has just been carved out whether it's about old age or it's from being disconnected. And I think it's not fair, you know what I'm saying? You don't have a rule book but there's a standard. Can't confuse, there was a standard. When you went to your family reunions, if you've ever had family reunions, you got to know cousins, they taught you how to interact with people. You know, that's my cousin, oh I can't like her like that, she look good, you know what I'm saying? So you learn certain things that these family reunions and these connections and it's a standard, I can't forget this because I had a chance to do it. You know, not to be so awkward meeting new people and stuff, you know what I'm saying? So these were lessons that are not here today for the majority of us how we grew up. You know what I'm saying? Yes. But the generation that we're in now, there's too many house, broken households because the majority of people that sit where you sit, I wanna say 90% are raised in single parent households usually by the mom while the dad is gone off somewhere and so forth. It's a handful of people who had the opportunity like myself, who had both parents in the household and had that upbringing, you know what I mean? And I'm like, how can we change that? Is it that people are thinking more about themselves and not about their child, you know, the children that are bringing into this world that it wasn't really, they didn't ask to be brought here? How can we stop that? How can we have both parents be more? It's a big, it's a big, big responsibility to live selflessly. That's a responsibility to just say, you know, I'm gonna do this. It's a big responsibility for a man to say I'm gonna be a father. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna stop my whoring in these streets. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna stop all this and focus on this one particular soul that saw me. It's not impossible. I don't wanna, if I misspoke, thanks for correcting me. I'm just saying that the flesh is weak and it take being in control of yourself and not living in an autopilot. You know what I'm saying? You have to know the value of less is more. I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't think nothing about nothing until I found out who God was. Other than that, all of those stuff, man, you could get it. When I'm in them streets, you could get it. It didn't matter who it was. You know what I'm saying? What night it was, if I catch you sleeping, I'm at your house. You know what I'm saying? I'm hanging out and bring, if you got a sister in my homeboy with me. You know what I'm saying? That's just how I went down. And most people, if y'all don't wanna tell the truth about it, that's the way we was young. When you were a young man, now you might have had a dad. My dad taught me that. He was over his girl house when I was over mine. This is some fathers. Let's be real. They brought a lot of plates to my house. Women brought plates and dropped them off and mixed tapes to my dad's house. And we hung out and basically, and watched him as the girls come through and bring plates. Different girls, different days. And then I learned from him. Later on, I started hanging out. You know what I'm saying? This is real life. Now, for me, now everybody might not came up like that because I'm a country dude. You know what I'm saying? But that's the way it was. You were getting at the girls. And if you didn't get the girl, oh, you was considered weak. That ain't got no women. First thing you ask a young boy when he coming or what? Man, you got a girlfriend, youngster. Like the kids, you know what I'm saying? And that's what I found myself doing. My boy like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you got a girlfriend yet? He'd be like, nah, dad, nah. That's where they start off. And then you'd be trying to tell him don't be having too many girlfriends. I end up living with my mom, so I saw it differently. I didn't want my mom treated like just an extra little chick. Yeah, yeah. So I saw it differently, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't have a bunch of girlfriends. So you didn't have them? If I dated a girl, I dated her. With that girl. Now, if I was single and I, you know, like I wasn't in a relationship, then I probably dated some. But to be like, that's my woman. I didn't have more than one woman. Like that's my woman at one time. I had my mother and my mom and my dad separated. I treated women like how I wanted my mom to be treated. Really? Of course. I wouldn't like that. Yeah, I don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking. I'm just trying to tell you that's how it goes. Would you like that? Well, I'm sitting here in a car and I have such an amazing life here. I'm like, damn, I'm like, damn, I'm saying that. You especially, you know what I'm saying? I'm just keeping the phone. No, I like the real truth, but I'm just. Don't get me wrong, my mom is a real deal, but like it's nothing like having a mother and a father there. Yeah. They provide different types of parenting and a woman is emotional. You kiss your poo poo and you're still a man that's stirring with logic and discipline. It takes a culmination of both of those things. It does. See, that's why. That's why you do it. Yeah, that's why. Man, I talk to these men almost every day because he's experienced that having something that I never had. Never had. So I just pick up the cadences, you know, what's going on. But sometimes I'd be like, oh, it's mad, she'll say, smoke well. You know? Come on. That's real. I understand what you're saying. Sorry, babe. Go ahead. Because I used to always wonder about it. I'm like, how can a man go out here and treat all of these women this way when they have a sister at home or they have a mother at home, but they out here treating other people. I promise you, I promise you, I'd be like, man, I don't like this fool, man. And she be like, you 14. I'm like, I don't like him. Why are you, I just don't get me wrong. This, just what I feel, he a duck. Like I don't like, something about a man, right? You hear me like, and if he treating you more than what I'm feeling, you could check me as your son. And I think that's what it was. I saw my mom went through with my dad. I saw my mom went through dating. So I think it might have trickled to say that's what I have learned from my mother. I don't want to treat a woman like, I want to treat a woman like, I want my mom be treated, right? So that was just me. I'm not saying that was the best way, the wrong way. I'm just saying like, that's how it was. So I never had two girlfriends like to, no sir, when I say like, I'm dating this person and I'm keeping it funky. Now I wouldn't tell a woman, this woman A woman B, these are my girlfriends, but it's still, I wouldn't do it. I like, I keep it funky with you and let you know that I got, you know, I'm by, I want to date. You know what I'm saying? Why not keep it clean with her? She's, if I want a friendship with her, I was taught to have a friendship, you know what I'm saying? I believe in quality over quantity. I'm not knocking gentlemen that's so different. I just think that I don't have time to remember all these birthdays and all this other stuff going on. She liked me. If she saw me, I saw her for real. You know what I'm saying? Cause it took a special kind of woman to see me. That's how I felt. And that was just me. And I'm happy that I did what I did. Cause I didn't waste them type of energies. I knew then as a kid, like man, you can live with all that then you got to carry all the energy that come from all them women. You know what I'm saying? She might be dating the killer. She might be dating this one here. God aids this one here. You don't know what's out there. And my, like I said, my dad was talking to me like a grown ass man, bro. He aids. This was before AIDS come out. Let me just tell you, I'm an old nigga. It was a time when there wasn't no AIDS. Okay. It was here, but they didn't talk about it probably. You know what I'm saying? For easy dad. You know what I'm saying? You gotta understand this. This was a time for me. I'm an old cat. So I'm telling you before that was a time when there was no AIDS and pretty much people didn't talk about them and you just trying to highlight the girl. And this is what everybody doing. Even watch straight out of comfort. That's what Eason they were doing. They ran out that room and he had all the girls and all that they were just showing you that time before people was talking about AIDS. Once Mike, I think with magic, magic got it. Magic Johnson, yeah. Magic, but did Eason get it for magic or magic got it? One of them. Magic got it first. But magic, magic ever didn't unbeat it with money. But still back then when this happened, I thought they would did when they told me about it. You know what I'm saying? Magic? Yeah, heck yeah. I'm gonna tell you this. People who didn't really pay attention. Magic was the campaign for AIDS. Wow. So somebody in this skin looking like you, this could happen to you. Who was the campaign and other races for AIDS at that time? Okay, that answers that. Secondly, the campaign got quiet when magic was able to find that cure. Yeah. You know what I mean? Real talk. So that's a whole another conversation. That's a real conversation though, that makes sense. Yeah, man, like most people, like we talk about a lot of stuff. You tell me they're robbing around the corner and I take my happy good luck heads around the corner. That's on me, I might gotta get that. But if I listen to you, what's the wrong with listening to you, you got love from me. I'm gonna take that and run with it. That's how I felt about dating. I was dangerous. You could date the wrong girl. She didn't tell you she got old man, you dead because you know, he tend to tilt, you know what I'm saying? And yeah, like. But once you get up, be older, you meet up with no limit and all that. I'm not gonna get the music with my wife I'm gonna bring trail talk on here. But there's a lot more temptation once you start to traveling and going to all these different shows and hanging out with all these different people. People got all this stuff. You smoking on this, you popping this, you know what I'm saying? How did you fight the temptation then? I almost wanna say fiend the quad, boy. Cause you got me over here. Hey man, hey. It's a real good dude, you know what I'm saying? I'm from a space. But he had a good example. He different, he different man. How'd you deal with? I love making music. I'm not perfect. I'm not gonna tell you that I didn't bump my head. I just, I love music. If you wanted to see me and date me you had to bring your ass to the studio. My life was in there. I wanted to change the trajectory of wealth in my family. So this is where my head was that I had blinders on me. I wanted to get my mama. I always wanted to get us out the goddamn ghetto. I wanted to help my dad, you know, get off the things that he was fighting. I wanted to change the trajectory of wealth. So I was just, man, I was engulfed in that. Man, folks. So I, so that's where I was at. So I didn't get caught up in, and my brother did a lot of things in the street. So I wasn't impressed with a lot of stuff. So when it did come to this at a no limit time I used to be like, I'm good. I'm good. Y'all can go ahead. I'm gonna stand in the studio. Wow. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm on so many damn songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, a nickel bag went still in the park. I want in. You know what I'm saying? And I loved it because Pete was like, oh, you want to work? And I would be like, oh, you're damn right I want to work. And he appreciated it because I didn't just show up for a job and we didn't talk about a job. I had, there was some things had to happen for me to get there. I could have went anywhere. I was already a success at home locally. I could have went anywhere. I could have did anything. I enjoyed the collaborations with KLC. Mia had almost was like an ANR scouted me. KLC kind of scouted me like an ANR. You know, Kennedy able got me on a song and then, you know, we kind of KL brought me up there. Pete was like, oh, you know, I'm a new guy here. For instance, he was like, who was this dude you got in my studio? And then KL was like, nah, man, I think we need him. We can do some things. And it was over. Man, I just never, I just didn't stop. I didn't stop, yeah. You, did you want to ask someone? Yeah, but whenever you first said you wanted to do music, did your mama ever said, no, not that career? Man, so that's really trippy, right? I've been around UGK since I was 12, like 12 years old because of my mama saying, now look, now you want to do music and it's your brother's cousin. And he said he'd look out for you so you can go over here, you can go hang out there. She let me have that opportunity because she know I was serious about it. I played football in high school, right? Well, mama was like, you got to make a decision. I can't be bringing you here, you can't, you got to make a decision to do music full time, you know? That's good because most parents, most, you're not parents, most moms, be always like, that's not no real career, you can't make no money under, there's too many people out there doing that. Hey, my mom was the first person to call me Fiend when that was going to be my stage name or whatever. She was my first cheerleader. She let me go on tours, I seen dudes drawing cocaine down their nose at 15 years of age, sitting on the couch like, okay, that's what they do. What a deck of cars or a single car, you know? And I just, I didn't want none of that. I seen all this growing up, I wasn't, by the grace of God, I wasn't impressed by it. I seen it, so I wasn't impressed by it. So I was like, nah, I'm good. And they respected my space of like, he ain't really, you know, all that, you know what I mean? Like my piece at where I'm at and my piece then was for the fact, I think really off of my brother and my dad, seeing what my mom was overcoming. You know, my mom did here in her house, you know what I mean? Like we had a shotgun house, my mama be, she worked domestically, cleaning homes, come home and do hair for, you know, for the ladies. And I'm sitting up there, my mom doing hair, there's a woman walking over my bed, running to go get the hair down in the kitchen. So I just see the things that my mom was going through. And if I didn't have that, I mean, who's to say? I think that was one of my biggest motivations to just want to change life, period. The thing that I wanted to know because it seemed like you have a lot of things matched out from a young age coming all the way up. You already knew what you wanted and knew what you didn't want and so forth. But I know the devil comes at us in different ways. He always finds a weakness somehow to come at you. So tell me about the time when you were younger, something that came at you and really, you know, stumbled you a little bit, but you still overcame it. What made me stumble and I overcame? I was a young man and got abducted, right? I was laying in a house with 12 other men, duck ticked up, and I'm seeing silences being put on gun and everybody's about to be murdered in this house. How old were you? I had to be 17, 17, 18. And I realized that I couldn't control this and this was just off affiliation, right? I could have went home. I was driving home, going over the bridge, going to return my mom's twin, her sister, car, right? Gonna bring my Auntie Maggie car back. I don't want to be married with my sister. She let me use the car for a little bit and I get this page and I look at the page and I'm like, with them I can go home and call back or do I just turn right back around? I said, man, I need the money to pay I used my keep producing beats for me, right? Let me go back and get the money I can get back doing my thing. I turn back around, I pull up to this house and I see, I pull up to the house and I see somebody kind of like jog off, you know? I'm like, man, who? Scary ass then ran, you know what I'm saying? So I get out the car, boom, close the door, walk up to the door, knock on the door. Oh, alright man, walk on the door, gun to my hip thing, don't say nothing, I'll kill you right now, I got it. I'll call you by name. I swear to God, I'll kill you right now. You knew who it was too? Of course I did. Okay. Right, so I was like, okay. Wow, he walked me to this bedroom, opened the door, all I heard was swish, swish, swish, swish, swish. You know, these guys being duct tape and I was just like, you know, like, shit. Right, right? I'm next, I'm getting tape put on me, I'm being laid on the floor next to these men. All these men were older than me, right? And I'm just laying, I'm laying there, right? I remember what I had on it, everything. You know what I'm saying? So I'm laying there and I'm so mad with myself, I can't express it, right? I'm just mad with myself that my mama got to discover me like this. You know what I'm saying? I'm so pissed with myself. Oh, I'm so pissed with myself. That's all you can think about. That's all I can think about. My mama opened up the bitcherette, I'm so pissed with myself, you know what I'm saying? Well, everything is going on, I'm damn near blocking out because I'm, I'm, I'm ferreting with myself. And I'm like, you could have went home, right? And I'm pissed for the fact that this person could have not contacted me, right? Choices, choices. Man, so I laid there, I'm laying there. And I'm like, I'm just going to pray, you heard me, I'm just, I'm just going to pray. And it makes the prayer, I hear one guy tell a guy, man, oh man, nobody ain't gonna discover y'all for a minute. You know what I'm saying? You know, I heard the silencer get on the gun and let one round off and sounded like that, you know what I'm saying? It's a pillow, you heard me? And like, I'm like, okay, nobody gonna hear this neither. You know what I'm saying? So I want to pray. And I was so discombobulated, I couldn't complete the our father prayer, all hell married. Funny thing, I was mixing them together, you heard me? Our father, I was running them back and back, you heard me? I'm laying there and I'm like, man, like, okay, like, I wasn't even like, I don't even think I had a chance to be scared. You know what I'm saying? Not on the big boy, you know, it was just happening. So I couldn't even get scared of having so fast, right? So I'm just laying there like, man, ain't this about something, right? And then I'm seeing one person in there that I know that has been living a certain lifestyle. So they're not going to hesitate to burn his ass up, right? So who's going to have favor for us? I have reserved for me. What's going to make me so special right now? And by the grace of the creator, some other things have, I got beat with a bat, you feel me? How did you get out of that situation? We'll have to talk another time. Okay. But you did make it out. I'm here today. Man, that's something else. Somebody hear this story, you don't supposed to be here. But it's so that you have choices every day, whenever, you know, the devil going to come at you in a hundred different ways. He knows all weaknesses. You have to know, okay, something as simple as just a phone call. You're not expecting all of that. But each and every time when we divert from whatever we intended to do, you know that it's something, anything can happen. The reality of it, these gentlemen was bickering amongst their self that I was in the company of, right? And they were spending money and had someone investing. And they weren't, they wasn't getting the work done. And they were bickering amongst their self and they was not taking this money being spent being serious, right? One of the greatest lessons I've ever encountered, right? And the reality, so you ain't gotta wait till part two, it was end up being a lesson, right? I never favored myself to say, oh, if I wasn't there, you know, I just kept it from myself that by I've agreed as a creator. My ancestors ended up being a lesson, right? Cause I ended up, the lights went dark, right? And I realized that I wasn't as taped up as tight as I thought, right? So I sat in quiet, untaped, I took it off and sat in quiet just sitting there while these men was just, you know, let's do some begging for these lies, bro. Like it got serious. Your guy was like, hey man, you guys owe me some money, man. Which one of y'all family members love you enough to come bring me my money? You know what I'm saying? I'm seeing grown men begging, pleading for their lives, right? I'm seeing grown men saying, let me call my girlfriend, right? Like that's why you gotta call in danger your woman, right? To get you out of here. Like I saw this, it made me bite my tongue and shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And it made me grow up quick to know that I don't care how bad you are, I don't care how not bad you are, you can fall into some shit, you know what I'm saying? And it ended up being a lesson and I just was like, this is trippy. And I saw a life in front of me and I knew from down, you know what I'm saying? Is it that worth it to you just to be around this, you know what I'm saying? So it's the same thing to smoke D. Like what's something that transpired in your life? And I don't know, you don't know where to start. He like, I just don't know where to start. Like at a time in your life where you came to a roadblock or you came to a stumble, you came to a place where you shouldn't have been or you came to a place where you had to change your life. Probably, like... You overcame, because you're still here right now. So you overcame it. Because people are watching this show, kids are watching this show, adults are watching shows that's going through choices right now that could end them up in a casket. Um... A place I shouldn't have been. I guess it depends on, like for me, it was a lot of places I shouldn't have been, but the first place I can remember that I shouldn't have been is pulling a gun on my stepdad at age eight. Eight years old? Yes, ma'am, to protect my mom, right? My family come from a family of pistol shooters and guns and mean, you know, old country way type deal. You know, when the men are the protectors, we're not allowed to look below the waist of the women in our family. So no, no. And I'm just what I was raised to be. A protector, you know? So... I mean, that's any child, any male child or any child. Someone hit your mom, you had an understanding of a child. You know, you see people with guns around you. You understand what guns can do. And so I guess I was kind of like... It was more of a mental incarceration. Trying to figure things out that I didn't understand and my mind couldn't, it couldn't register them because I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know the word to go with, you know, PTSD or whatever it was. So that was kind of my first understanding of fear because at age, I was fearful. But then, like, I knew in my heart I was going to shoot him. I feel that way now, but my mom didn't let me. She got in front of my mom back there. She said, mom, yeah, she got in front of him. And that confused me. You know, as a child, okay, if not just somebody that's beating your mom up, you won't kill him. Why are you standing in front of somebody that's beating you up, right? But it wasn't about him. It was about me. And it took me years. So those kind of traumatizing things, they like, psychologically, they just put you in a place so you already kind of just set up based on the way the system has your neighborhood, the social security, all of these things, system, systematic things set up in play to even aid, you know what I'm saying? Be a catalyst for you to get to a place to where you can be served the bad way of life. The whole time you're saying that, he always tell me I watch too many movies. I'm like, I've seen that in a movie. Exactly what you just described. Where a kid will pull a gun on the stepdad or the boyfriend or whoever and the mom went in front and he was mad, the same thing. Exactly the same thing. She was trying to prevent him from throwing his life away. His life away. Off of raw emotion. Exactly. And reacting off of raw emotion. You know what I'm saying? She was willing to save your life and through no matter what you just experienced, you were still more important in that situation. But you know what, bro? She fixed my, it's here. I mean, we was just downstairs. You seen how the dudes came. We was just here. I'm just saying this because I'm a real time thinker, right? Now I noticed the man that's sitting there and he didn't took a drink and the drink didn't took him. You see? So he figured he smooth and he dabbed over there to where he see a bunch of women over there. Maybe drunk, maybe blind or whatever he is, but he came wrong. His spirit was wrong. Absolutely wrong. And I reacted in a way that I don't want to react no more. Mm-hmm. That incarceration, it took my smiles. It took the emotions that I wanted to use. I don't, my mom ain't give us no hugs. We ain't got time for no hugs. You better, you know. Because she's trying to raise men. Right. We couldn't come back home with a loss. You go out there and you win. Don't come back home losing. You know, and that puts you in a situation to where, you know, it's unnatural because my father should be telling me that. Mm-hmm. Not her. And she, God bless her soul and broke daylight to be dark to provide a way for us. Now we had a great life. My mom full of bread. Mm-hmm. But it wasn't here. She didn't have time. She spent time working. And I got, you know, whoever she was mad to, I had to be scared of until I was 16. Then I really tried to kill her. Like for real, for real, to the point she had to leave him. Right. So it's that kind of aggression that's carried over from a childhood trauma to a situation right now. I don't like to play. It's a bunch of women over here. And here you come, you're drunk behind over here. Slippery little girl. Man, you better go. Yeah. Like go. You don't even want this. And I don't want to be like that, bro. No, I get it, man. I'm in a more diplomatic way to handle situations when I proceed them as a threat. Right. But let me ask you a question. And this goes to all of you. Do you think in situations like that it would have been helpful if or hurtful? Because when you're dealing with boys, it's a thin line, especially with a woman, you don't want to turn them soft. You're trying to make them into men. But like to turn around and explain to a child, you know, the reason why I did this is because of this. I don't know if your mom explained to you at that moment in time. Of course, after, you know, she de-escalated the situation, it's not because of him, it's because of you. Right. Did she explain that at that moment in time? Because communication isn't usually never there in the bright time. I'm not sure my mom is mean or the better. But yeah, because you get your ass whooped doing that. Yeah. You're doing that, that right there, get your ass whooped. I'm not sure. I think I just figured it out. First of all, what you doing grabbing that damn gun anyway, you're going to get my granddad and them and grandma and them whooped you for doing anything. You're going to get a whooping even though you've done it. And your brother too, if he were with you, whatever, whoever in there can get it, you know what I mean? At eight, oh man, everybody getting a whooping and the dog too, whoever, he get hit, all that. So that's what I'm saying. Like I get it, you know, mom didn't explain it. My mom shot at my dad, I was five, so I get it. You know, like I was standing there. Like four. But if we're not left with our own imagination and trying to figure stuff out, because a lot of times even as adults, when somebody do something, say your spouse and she reacts a certain way in your mind, you're thinking that's the reason why, but it's really not the reason why and that can make you react differently instead of actually coming to her and say, why did you do that? And having her explain herself honestly, you know what I mean? It's miscommunication in any situation, in any household that causes, you know, that outcome. That's the reason why I was asking that. Tim Smith used to say communication rules the nation. You know, and you got the patience to want to have that. Exactly. Some people don't feel like they're obligated to tell you nothing, you know what I'm saying? Because of what they learned. Their parents didn't talk to them, so why am I trying to do this to you? Correct, correct. Come on, man, we can talk about this music, man. This drill talk, no pill talk, man. This guy right here, number one blogger in Texas, he gonna put us out there, you know what I'm saying? I know how to get on his page, I just bring him on the show. He gonna repost us all day long, you know what I'm saying? The whole conversation, because he think he got some good questions now. No, I don't need to get you now. That's over with. You know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna sit here and act right today and talk to these guys, man. I heard you, man. How you doing, drill talk, no pill talk? Good, man, I'm good. How y'all doing, man? Say, man, we're gonna get into the music. This dude here is a music guru. He studied both of y'all. I ain't never seen nobody can break it down like him and GD down there, GDP. These two guys right here is my number two. One and two, I go to different, I'm in Louisiana, in Texas, and Mississippi too, he right there on you. Whatever he doing, he done seen it. So we about to get into it, man. You being from the, no limit, you being from the UGK era, you know what I'm saying? Listen, man, we love y'all, bro. So we about to get into this music, man. So you, how did you first link with UGK, P.M.C., Bun B? Sure story, even shorter. I had a friend that ran from Crystal Springs, Mississippi named Telefungus and he was a part of a group called the Black Knights. They got a deal with a guy named Kyle Burden out of Lansing, Michigan, crazy Kyle records. And so me, I was in the streets, but these were my partners that I hung with. And, you know, they wanted me to come for one reason or another. Short story, even shorter, we got there, we did the EP and he had a little son named Calvin Jr. That was crying and he wanted to do a song, but, you know, he was a child, nobody's paying attention to him. So I just took, you know, like the kids and we made a song and they listened to the song and they were like, you already do this for real. Like, you know, and the name of the song was like the first song I ever made called a Pimp Mac Hostel. Okay. But I put the, his son in the intro. You remember the old Tootsie Roll Park? Come on, man. I made some street stuff to that. We came back down south and they had a club called Underground in Jackson, Mississippi and just so happened the Underground Kings was coming to the Underground. So I had a packet, you know, back then they used to put the photo, the cassette tape, you know, I put a little weed in there that I had from Michigan that nobody knew existed yet. So I, you know, gave it to Stokes, shout out to Stokes. Kevin Stokes, club promoter, show promoter, Mississippi. I gave it to him and he gave it to them. And so, you know, back then they had the pages and whatnot, we riding around and working on the page. And he asked me to come to the club. So when I came to the club, I'm thinking, okay, somebody wants some of this good new weed I got, right? And so when I got there, big security guard dude, I look up, come on, I go out to the back, I get in the limousine, okay, let me see. I get in on this door, it's a girl here, it's a girl there, it's a girl there. Barley's over there in that seat, Pimper's here. And so they were listening to the music, right? Smoking, me, I'm thinking they want to smoke some, I'm still on trying to get my money. I pull out some extra, got the girls, he rollin' it up. And he played the songs and he played the song I did with the little child. He was like, well, who is this? And he said, man, that's Jim. You want to come to Texas for a couple of weeks? Yeah, but I had to ask my mom because I was in college, right? I ended up going for two weeks and ended up staying two years and I moved in with Pimp because I was from Jackson. So I stayed with him two years and in that process, I learned how to produce. He showed me a lot of stuff about the music because I have a way with words, like double entendres and whatnot, if you will. So a lot of the times when we was in there creating, I was able to help him with hooks. You know what I'm saying? Policemen are your friends, stuff like that. You know, I was there. It started like one day, I was there because we shared music. I had my own talent, but not like he is, you see. He helped me enhance what I was doing. Wow. So that's how it began. The first song that UGK had ever had was here with the front back side to side. Yeah. And that is what led me back to Mississippi, to the jealousy and the resentment and the jail time. Yeah. We don't get any of that. Yeah. I want to hear about that, but you said something earlier. You said that you were some kind of way cousins with, which one, bun or pimp? No. Or somebody on the camp. No, DJ LaDaddy is known as Baby T. Okay. Baby T. Right. And Lil' Daddy used to come down to something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. My mom was like Baby T, your brother Kevin, this is cousin, you know what I'm saying? And my brother had different fathers biologically, but my dad, rest in peace, you couldn't tell him Kevin wasn't his own. Already, that's where it be. So he was like, he let me come around and just so happened that Lil' Daddy would go, hang out by Divas and meet by Divas and UGK be meeting over there. I didn't have, I'm not meeting Schmoke at the time, but it was bun and pimp, you know what I'm saying? And I was just like, I was just a man, a student in the- How old were you? I had to be in the way between 12 and 14. Wow, you were very young. Yeah, and I was just a kid in the corner, just listening and observing. You know, I just knew this was a- Soaking up game. Oh, man, like- That's what they call it. But you were having that game, too, wasn't you? I was writing, you know, but I wasn't like, I mean, I wasn't, you know, busting nothing for nobody. I just loved it so much. And I just was just chilling. Like I said, soaking up game. And you know, my cousin was like, he used to hit, baby T used to hit, little daddy used to hit the rhymes. But past that, I just was out of respect. That was, you know, I'm gonna just be quiet, let these men do the thing. And I was telling him, but earlier, I was like, you know, before I can finish it, he was like, you see what I'm saying? Like, you know, you just never know who's gonna be who. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh my God, years later. Bruh, I was in the tattoo parlor about to get new lemon records tattered on my arm, right? Mac had just got out. Shout out to Mac, got it. Shout out to Mac. He just got out of the chair. I got in the chair, it was like, I got a call from the studio and he was like, we're gonna do, you're doing your album, there's another family. And I was just tripping like, it was like born in Pimpia, man, we're gonna do a song for you on your album. I jumped, sprung out the chair. He thought they had springs that pushed me out of the chair, jumped out of the chair, jumped in my car hard ass to the new lemon studios and knocked out down south slinging, was slinging with UGK, part of UGK, you know, Smokebusters too. And oh yeah, bro, like, it all is super trippy to me, you know, to this day, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you do have choices. You know, God to protect you, the ancestors will definitely protect you, but you gotta play your part too. Man, so this front, back, side to side, man, you know, that's one right there for the record. Like, you, how was it like even, you know, putting that song together? I gotta, I gotta thank God for DJ Bird. Okay, shout out DJ Bird, shout out DJ Bird, shout out DJ Bird. Smitty, I'm sorry, y'all could make it, bro, but we gonna keep moving. I didn't know what Pym was doing to me at the time. He was tricking me in the training. Like, he, like, I don't know how he did it. He never liked anything I did, oh, that's boobo. That's what, that's the same thing Boosie said. Everything you got wasn't good enough. Nah, man, that ain't jamming. You know, he just had that way about it, but the kind of love he showed me though, you know what I mean? And as I watched that ain't grow because you gotta understand, before any of the stuff materialized and grew, I was there. It's like stuff I forgot. And so, we were in New Orleans. Ira Bures was his name, I believe. I don't know what to, Gumball Funk Studio, who was that? I think I've heard that name before. Yeah, and they, like, he had all the executives, like I said on another interview, they had the Titans in there playing games, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, for one reason or another, they had me in a corner situation and they was, like, talking to me. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? Like, they was trying to make a deal with Pym. He snapped out. Y'all get away from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, he really went off. The bird, oh, smoke, what you gonna do if Pym wants you to come in and do a verse? Ooh, ooh, a verse. I went in there and I was, like, you know, like, like Pippi Long's talking, tight white interior, you know what I mean? So, DJ Bird, like, he tried it once, he tried it twice, man. He just, he didn't got the, DJ Bird took me out there, we was drinking. Shout out to DJ Bird, Crazy Horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a beer called Crazy Horse. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. Man, we got out there, he put them cables on me, I come back in there, man, like, what a hit. Ooh, ooh, ooh. What a, what a, and I went in, I just let my energy go, man, and then it turned into a hit for them, for us. It was, it was great. Yeah, and I owe all of that to DJ Bird, man, because he is really, like, the glue. He still is and was, like, the glue to everybody. Every situation he just brought happiness and love to it. You know what I'm saying? I'm a chip, yeah. That's crazy. I was working as an A&R for Atlantic Records, right? And Pimp had just came home. T.I. was working on that album. And my camera was like, man, what can we do for T.I. knowing UGK to get it like this? I said, let's get them to redo a UGK song, right? Wow. Check this out, check this out. I was, man, bro, I was talking about stroking some work, you know what I mean? I said, man, so the guy with Pimp, they got Manifrest to redo front, back, side, and side, got both of them on the song, you know what I mean? And that's crazy. Wow. So you was there when they regained it? No, like in real time, like right now, I just gotta shake it in, because they got me a chip. I already know it. No, I didn't get it here. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Once I realized what I could be utilized for, I was able to do that at Atlantic Records, but I know better. I know what everybody got paid, smoke. Okay. I know what the budget was, smoke, you know what I mean? He didn't know a lot of people. I introduced him to Gucci. I was able to make moves for my people to get cheque stroked to him, you know what I'm saying? That's what it's about, bro. That's what it's about now. And like I'm just listening in this interview, the key point and the key thing that I call because I'm more of a observer than the Taliban. Communication. Push out. Communication. If we can learn how to do that properly, then we can express ourselves in a more direct way. And you know what I mean? More than just text message or the fast super information, you know, put the phone down sometimes. That's the top. That's it. That's it. Tritot, what you know about Pini, man? Let's go on. I know. You started out with big bar, right? Big bar, right? I started out actually with, I started actually with a brother, my name, Musa. He didn't yet have a label for his, I mean a name for his label, but Big Boy was my first independent success. Yes, yes he was, right. Wow. Go ahead. And then like from there, like you kind of, you transferred, like you went to, I think it was no limit after that, like it was, this one then finally was it was your 2000? No, no, no, it was May 5th, 1998. 1998, yeah. Yeah, and when you came up with that, like it was a change, like I seen like a, really kind of you and Mystical kind of like, y'all kind of bleed it together like a little bit, like on Salt together, like the Snoop and the Woo. That's crazy. When I got the Big Boy records, Mystical pulled me in the back of the Chuck, the owner of Big Boy records. He pulled me in the back of his house and he realized I was a new guy at Big Boy records. He enjoyed the baddest motherfucka live single. And I remember, I'll never forget this. He had the Nylon undershirts, they get from Soul Train, you know what I mean? Yeah. He had some cackies on. He was like, he rode a little joint. He's like, man, man, you gon' run this thing though. You remember I'm telling you though, you crazy, I heard your singles, man, man, you about to run this thing. And I was like, just met him my first time meeting him, right? I was like, I'm bruh, you know, so we ran it and that was that. The Big Boy records, I couldn't get it off like I wanted to. Scythe gave me the production that he can give me at the time, but I knew we could have went more in depth. Yeah, that's what I said. That's why I asked about the Mystical thing cause I knew he was over there too. And then so I was like, how did that, you know, like from y'all transferin' over and then y'all like rejoinin' back when y'all got there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was helping, believe it or not, I was like bringing tracks and instrumentals in and I liked this and Scythe might like it. And every once in a while, I don't get me wrong, he did his own thing. But certain things I was discovering, like, you know, I had A&R potential then picking out tracks. I did writing where whoever me needed writing for at the time, however to play my part. Not a hundred percent of the bodies, but just, you know, increments of stuff, right? I know what you mean. Right, so so, yeah, No Limit was different because he had this audience and he had this product, he found that he tapped into his song Beats by the Pound. And I was working with another company that was looking to do a third party deal. And he was like, you know what I'm sayin', he's not really into doing third party deals. I had to respect his mind for that, you hear me? But he had an amount that he wanted if we could match it, that he'd be willing to do it. We walked in that quarter minute out of cash. He said we were serious and I did don't fuck around for the body soundtrack and everything else was over. Man, look. You took the next question. I'll tell you, I'll pass, but the don't fuck around. A-Ray, A-Ray, A-Ray on the track, man. I just interviewed him, man. And I wanna say, man, you're a dope dude, bro. Like, listen, man, listen, man. Let me tell you something, man. God is good, bro. Like, when me and this dude got the interview and then came out, shit. But it was crazy because I was comin' to see you in days, man, you've been talkin'. And for the story that he told me, man, on this show is crazy, man. You know, God confirms things when you link him with certain people. And he kind of confirmed that I needed to rock out with you through that, you know what I mean? He did that Glorilla song, but he told me about how you gave him his way out, you know, out of the city and helped him. He told you about that? Yeah, he told him about everything. Everything was me. Yeah, boys, that's about the good parts about him. He could've been in a lot of trouble, but you helped him to get his life together. Right, right, man. And that's the part that I really care about because that's the part they count. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Jackson, Mississippi, man. That's what I can say. Yeah, it's very dangerous for young guys out there right now. And so, you know, that's a part of what, you know, part of what we do, philanthropical things. I have a 501C3 situation to where it allows me to involve myself in prison reform and voter's registration and expoundment because I know that we're fighting an invisible war with silent weapons and know who the enemy is, right? And so, you have to be pretty much to get ourselves together and collectivize in the right way that we need to. Every black male, whether it's your child or not, you have to be sort of a street father, if you will, because there's no discipline, there's no male guidance, there's no rules, that's why the kids ain't scared of nothing. Every head, the real Yugoslavian hyenas hunting him. Wow. The real one, not, you know? And so, it's those kind of things because I thrive in the ghetto. I thrived in there. I live in there. Man, but that's what you gotta understand, that's why you went through what you went through and all the stuff you went through benefits those youngsters. Shout out to A-Ray, man, keep doing it. Yeah, he working, man. Keep doing the number one tracks out, bro. If you can see this, man, that's what we talking about, bro. You ain't there no more. You know how to play it, you know how it go, bro. Thank you for shouting me out behind closed doors and I'ma just give you respect openly. That's hard. That's hard. It's coming out, it ain't behind closed doors. It's a video coming out. Oh, he did a video. He did a whole interview with me. Oh. He gonna clip this and put part of it. That's why I give it up. It just ain't came out yet, but he definitely did an interview. I know you're a man of God, so thank God. It's that big of a bunch of people. All right, A-Ray. I just know we talked and, you know, it was on the up and up, bro. You got the real, see, you and even said like, most of the time people talk about people they gonna go and run and say something. The far is a bad. But when you can go and you can say, okay, somebody spoke good about you. That's what we need to communication. Somebody in that, and I'm honored in that way. You know, that's more payment than, you know, anything to invest in a person. That's what, that's the part. And the seed paid off like that. Yeah, and the seed that he's making moves and he's still flourishing in his career. He's trying to grow. He's still remembering. Yeah, he didn't forget where he come from. That's for sure. Let's talk about that Ryan Dirty for a second, man. Like, I need to understand like how that even happened. Your vocals was on there and you was at the front of that thing, man. Every time you, it wouldn't have been, it would have been the same without him. No, no, I will see first. Let's be real. See, when I first heard that, Ryan Dirt, I was a little kid then. Who you thought it was? I thought that was Bunby's talk. Bunby? Yeah, Bunby. Then after that, you know how people be talking and it was like, this Bunby brother, he locked up and I was like, I don't know. You know, but it wasn't, we didn't have no way to get the information. We didn't know who they are that was, man. We listened to them, we listened to the boys, they sang some and stuff like that. Then when I got older, it was like, ah, that smoke deal, you know, he was locked up and all that and I'm like, dang. So he sent them, like back then, you was able to send them, like. Genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was, that was a, I went through a lot of trouble for that. Oh yeah. Let's just say it like that. Yeah. Let me see how this happened. I was in the prison and like, let me say this, like I was completely smoked D. Like I smoked D is still a part of me, but it's not the totals of conflicts of who I've evolved to now, right? Let's, let's understand that. But smoke D kept getting me in trouble. Because I didn't know about power. I had power to get people and influence them to move, but I didn't have a sense enough to know when, where and how to do them. So it wasn't power. And so thank God I didn't have no control over my power. This wouldn't have not happened at the time because I had a dad player and I just sent them a dad player to let them know I was doing okay. Pimp did, he was the one that took it and chopped it up. They was going to use a bunch of stuff. So it's not one long? It's one, yeah, it's a long, some dad tapes out there, not somebody hired it from me. And you know, I ain't eat shit either. So. You ain't eat shit. Yeah, so. Yeah. And it was that thing. I never intended it to be like this. It's gonna help. I just sent it to him and let him know, man, I'm in here eating steak and shrimp. What you talking? So you just riding, you just riding and sending that out? Yeah, I'm just in there. I'm smoking, they treating me like a king. You know what I mean? I ain't have to do nothing. Really, you want this, you want that? Because to them, I came in a celebrity. Yeah. Wow. Right? And I misused it to a point to where. Used for the wrong time. Yeah. And then, but I got it right though. I got my wrong right there, I had no choice. Yeah. I think. I was listening to him walking to school. Oh yeah. And then I was trying to tell you. They made that. Bro, listen, I was walking on, I'm walking to school because I ain't gonna get jumped, catching the regular bus. You get your ass jumped on the bus, you gotta kick that ass, woman. Leads on your feet, if you fast, you might ride. So I was, I had that cassette, walking to school with this new GK. And I was like, yeah, bro, I'm like, I ride dirty. It's another thing that's I'm trying to tell you around. I said, I was outside the house of blues and my partner's white Lexus. And I wrote, which is a classic song to this dead car if I don't got her. So the shocker album, I wrote that off of diamonds and wood. So you wrote this song? I wrote it off of that. I sat outside in the car, wood grain steering wheel and this white Lexus, my partner, white Lexus, he always wanted me to drive. I ain't know what the hell I was about. But shout out to Shane and I'm sitting out and I wrote that. I used to run it back. I had a knack for writing over other people's words. Like what block out what you ain't saying, right? When you think about it, the songs kind of sound similar than that. Did you see what they did? I'm talking about like four of the bass songs. I'm putting that out there to you. I'm trying to tell you, like, I was saying like, man, this is an outcast album. I did, it's riding dirty. That song, and it had to be done. It had to be done. So that's what I'm trying to tell you, like to talk to you when we first met. I know you probably like, man, what does dude come from? Like I said, you've been in here in my ears for a very long time. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So out of respect, I just wanted to just reciprocate. I've accomplished a lot of things off of certain spaces in my own life. Me, Gordon's music. Yeah. How did you get your name thing? My partner in the rivers at the 10 war. He thought my voice tone or rapping sounded like rock him when we was young. And he said, Rich, Rich, bro, you need to be some kind of fiend. Don't sound like you need to be like some kind of fiend, bro. So I ended up going by anti-fiend. Go figure that right. So when I got the big boy, I had a session with Saiz and his guitar players, a guitar player at Sound Service Studios. And we ended up dropping a single to Baddest in Mouth Alive and we cut the anti-off and that was fiend. Wow. I got to ask you another question because Boz will be upset with you. That's my guy, bro. Boz told me when I'm sitting down with no limit people, make sure you ask him. Let's ask him what did I bring to the table? What did they think of me? What did he brought to the table? Yeah, what did you think of him? When you think of Boz, what comes to mind? Man, man. Big Boz, shout out. Mr. Bozwell brought to the table integrity. He brought another perspective of gangster. He heard me clean cut gangster. He brought a gentleman. He brought class, you know what I'm saying? He was when Taylor made clothes then. I saw guys looking at him thinking that his clothes are a little too snug. I'm like, you don't really get that stuff, Taylor. It was fit for him. And that's what he brought, you heard me? And the wisdom. Man, Boz told me stuff like, it stuck with me, bro. Man, Boz told me, say, Fiend, you know, a good soldier prepares for war during the time of peace. You heard me? You heard me? He's just be puttin' like, who's to have these one-on-ones? He's to just, man, he's to always keep it clean with me. And I think he got that, you hear me? Well, I'm from, I was taught to be a hero and a monster. Everybody can't just see you and know everything you've been through. You can't wear everything. You can scare people off, bro, you know what I'm saying? And for the fact that if you don't know me on the Dark Street, you shouldn't know me on the Dark Street, you feel me? So Boz brought that to me, and it was okay. He made it okay. When I turned in theirs when they were family, Boz reached me a car magazine and told me to pick me something out of them. Wow, you know, like I said, when we sit down and talk, I just know that's something. Every time I sit down with one of y'all, man, it might be which one it is. I said, I gotta ask, man. I started with K.A.L., man. Even K.A.L., man, like when I was interviewing him in Baton Rouge, man, you were supposed to link, you know, he would talk highly about you. Love you, bro, like you got a lot of love around you. Amen, God, man, I've been, oh, I'm so blessed. I've been preserving my whole life. That's why I don't wanna, I don't wanna play it off. I'm not a brand preacher, ain't no preacher, I'm a preacher. I just wanna keep it funky with people. Like my brother passed away, my village took me under the wing, and I really, I believe to this day, they preserved me. Like they protected me from all the BS that I could have got into being miserable that my brother died and just sad and just down and out. And I think I wanna tell that because they may have some people be trying to help people and they may not be accepting the help. You hear me? I performed the American Music Awards, right? Now I had this Rolex, this Pavi Dahl flushed out Rolex and Jubilee Band this early, right? Boss looked at me and said, say, Phoenix, you oughta risk like a little drive, bro, you know? He took off a Cuban link. I ain't never seen a Cuban link, all right? Cuban link, it looked like water was laying on this Cuban link, bro. You hear me? And I know his quality, his taste of things. It wasn't to be played with. He spent $30,000 for a bracelet. This was, I know how he was moving, you feel me? That boy took his bracelet out, say, Phoenix, put this on, you hear me? He said, ooh, and a fit, yeah, man, go off that rocker, you hear me? Rocked it, we did make a set on for American Music Awards. I came back, you know, like I was taught, I'm looking for bars to give him the bracelet. He looked at me and said, man, you get your damn thing, man, I said, man, take this goddamn bracelet, you hear me? He said, nah, baby, you keep that, yo. You keep that, man. Wow, wow. And that's the type of gentleman, not to say that he had to give, I mean, he was already dropping gyms on me and I didn't take that for granted, bro. He was somebody special then, bro, to grow up in New Orleans and to be this type of a man, this type of individual, to carry his own persona for who he was, he was special then, bro. Wow, and I gotta ask you this, what did you think about Snoop when he came over? Snoop, first of all, Snoop is the reason I feel that I knew it was okay to get married and be here with my extraordinary awesome wife to know I could be married in hip hop, you know what I'm saying? I never would have thought I'd have got them lessons in hip hop, rap music. Snoop is the absolute shit to me. Snoop is gonna always be. Snoop is not born all the time. Bro, he is the absolute end of. Rapper? Rapper. He's more than rap. Really? He ain't been here through all these generations. So long. And he's been here. And he's been here. And he's been here. And he's been here. And he's been here. He's been here. Just to be clear. I gotta look all up, cause you know I'm in style, man. Nah, just to be clear, I'm in style, man. I'm in style, baby. I ain't gonna play with y'all in there. Don't do that. Nah, just to be clear, he's bigger than rap. Yeah, he bigger than rap. I agree with that. Nah, no, yeah. When you think rap, say it. I don't know. He's bigger than the conversation of lyrics. I want to tell you, he had, he Snoop oversteered the concept of business and that is something to praise him for. I know a lot of people that's cold as fuck and they don't have their business in order. So I want to commend him for being an example of being cold but knowing how to balance these things. All right, bro, who have you seen in your life outside your household, your block, your neighborhood, politicians wise that has been living his life in front of the camera all these years, unapologetically and him, point somebody to me. And you have to point back to Snoop, married, children, court, murder cases. Of course the youth kids. Come on, bro, we can go on and on. He has been selfless, he has been selfless, bro. And he is so big. He's the Barry Gordy of hip hop on the West Coast. A lot of people, I don't know. Like from the 52 70 brought him out to his house. Man, this guy, he's his whole family. It's like he opened on welcome rooms like that. Hey, bro, praise and abundance to Snoop Dogg, his wife, his family. Come on, bro, it is not easy to live in front the camera. I got to come clean with you, man. And to keep it like. Come on, remember, keep it clean, bro. The camera's always running, bro. It ain't easy, man. Like this is before the clicks was about my life, your entertainment. Let's keep it funky, bro. He's always lived in front of the camera. He's always was a pop star ever since Dray decided to put him on deep cover. No, no, he definitely one of those guys, man. And it is not easy being in front of the camera, you know, like when I interviewed Iced Tea, that was one of the things that he talked about. You know what I mean? Just that they would, that there's always a plot that people would love to see him. You know what I mean? See him be taken down. Say it, say it, say it. He say he did that cop killer and to change it over and be able to transform and still begin money and knew all those people and came from the streets like he did, they would love to bring him down. Shout out to Bun B. Shout out to Iced Tea. Shout out to E40. That's what I'm trying to tell you. If we, if our community don't acknowledge this, you know, go buy you some Snoop Dogg cereal. For sure. Go buy you some Snoop Dogg, man. That's a piece here. For sure. Buy you some E40, Wines, the Noose Lodge. Whatever he got going on, go support. What I'm trying to tell you is like these people are living fearlessly in a world that where it is set up and designed for them to lose. What you just said is real talk. I don't want to tell you family. I'm trying to tell you. So when you come outside your house, you got to be ready for whatever. My life, you're entertainment. There's a consumer for everything. If it's about somebody's brains being put on the concrete, there's a consumer for that. There's somebody home clicking talking about, oh, I just love to see me some brains on the ground. You know what I'm saying? And that is the world we live in. That's why I stay to myself, man. Cause I don't want to put this on my kids, my wife. I've been blessed to get to another aspect of what my spiritual footsteps are bigger than whatever I had done yesterday. So I like to keep it clean. That's not real, that's just me. I'm not making nobody, you know what I'm saying? But I got to keep it clean. I know that the camera's always rolling. So I always put it out there. So you know that those options do exist. Well, how was it working with Snoop? Only it sounded like it was out together. It was amazing. It was amazing. Snoop was open-minded and just, you know, I remember the night he came in to Baton Rouge, remember everything he had on. Keep in mind, I was a fan first. I still remember chewing somebody's ass out, not literally. He filled me behind him having my dog, doggy style cassette. Taking it to school, didn't want to give him my doggy style cassette bag. I'm like, I got to get my shit back, bro. So you got the tips of, I had a whole fight over that sea murder. See what I'm saying? Over that sea murder. I let somebody borrow my CD at Wiley College. I let them borrow my CD. I'm going to need that back. I'm beyond what you used to be a bully in school that I heard about you. I'm trying to get on here and you were a bully. Three shots, man. Let's talk about that for a second. I got to talk about that. Three shots, you and Bumb beat. You body does shit. Like, man, I ain't even, listen, I got so excited at the mall when you sent me that. I still, I didn't even make it in the store for a while. We just shot out the D-Trill, deep money, the whole collective, shot out the TB. Y'all know I'm tired, man. I'm going to get on the phone with y'all when we get through. Shout out to D-Trill. They put it on the radio while I'm from this week, man. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it was just a test of me because I produce along with a partner of mine, Jay Super. We kind of make music together. Shout out to Jay Super and Street Symphony. I wanted to see if it was going to wake him up, bro. Honestly. Like, I have been sending my brother, like, if you talking about UGK, or you sounding like UGK, he not going to mess with you. I'm just going to tell you right now. So the old UGK, but see, I'm current, like with your eyes, with whoop-a-pimp, you know. And if I can hear the spirit of pimping it or do something, I shoot it to him. It's too much UGK in this smoke. You know what I'm saying? I don't, you know, smoke. I don't want nobody mimicking what we done. We got to have new, up-to-age, just going to make some of that beat. I saw him diverse. And first time in three years, he sounded back like the same day of the next day. And I was like, okay, this is it because, you know, I wanted to see if it could be something that we could do today. And if we can do it once, you know, possibly we can repeat it, repeat it. And so he got on there and did his thing. We also have the NBA player that's on there that plays with the Portland Trailblazers from Austin, Texas, named Greg Brown, you know. So it was like a double entendre to use basketball terminology to talk about street stuff. Because that afforded me the opportunity not to curse. You see? Wow. Just a hard, just a hard song, bro. Real talk, you can't beat it, man. So what, when you think about No Limit Man and the move that they made and then Cash Money coming from down in New Orleans, man, like, y'all never did do anything together. Like, not like completely. It didn't hurt at all. But I still, I would've loved, I'm a fan. So I get to give you my piece. Right. You know what I'm saying? Let's be real. I would've loved to see some kind of. We'll work. We'll work. We'll work. I know it. I'm just giving it to her. Let me give it to her. Let me give it to her. I talked to Bird Man, you know. I talked to Bird Man, I talked to these people, man. I'm trying to see when it's gonna happen, man. See, I can tell you what, UGK and No Limit, they ain't fighting no more. He and I got our EP together. That's hard, man. That's hard. Witnesses are coming out. We about to do about a few more songs. Well, there's a guy. I'm ready now. We a few more songs. We got him, man. We got a song he bought and called me UGK proud. You know what I mean? Really? That's what I'm trying to say. It's a full circle, man. Well, you know what I mean? I'm just a fan. I'm over here just fanning out. How was you able to work like, you don't work with a lot of different people. It seemed like it made me think it's easy to work with you. Cause like you to work with currency, rough rattles, you know, all of it. So it's like, it's like, yeah, you feel me? So it's like, it just made me feel like. I'll tell you what, I'm working with him. It's nothing like a person that's always working. He always work. That's what attracted me to him. That's what made me respect him. When we can't get work done, cause he's doing so much work, you know, and he's been in the industry in ways I haven't. Right? And so I have to respect it up into the facts where even I, I'm small enough to know that I need some advice from this guy because of his travel. I miss mine. You see? You had a day though. Yeah. But at the same time, I have to be here today in a corrected way. And that takes pertinent advice from somebody that's experienced, see? You can tell me how to make a million dollars. It's not gonna listen to nobody. They ain't never did it. That's what made sense to me. Easy. You know what I mean? Cause he done did it. He's a veteran pastor and a prophet. You know, like most people gets kind of like pushed away from, they almost get talked out of their game. You know what you like, right? And somebody trying to tell you what you don't like. Oh, it's a bunch of them. It's a bunch of them, dude. That's clearly about y'all in the South. Oh, they want to make me, they call me cause I don't want to say certain people name it the best. You got certain people there, they're like, man, you know you, you got, you got a big platform. Everybody watching you, man. You got to stop saying that. No, no, nigga. This is what I've lived. I ain't changing. This to be true. They like to compare us a lot, bro. Comparison is the thief of joy. True. You know what I'm saying? Like I can enjoy that era of something. Don't get me wrong. Of course people go ahead and favorites, but they keep wanting to compare. It just takes away the body of work. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not, I'm not saying people gonna stop comparing LeBron and Jordan. They not. Right? Knock yourself out. But guess what? That man era, he existed as in that era to be great in that era. And today we have Bron, Bron, that's in Jordan for what that is. You know what I'm saying? But who was the best? LeBron. I can't, I can't even, I ain't even got a dog in a rage. It's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of opinion. It doesn't matter opinion, but then LeBron, whatever you put that in your bag, homie. You know what I'm saying? Jump all over the place. Get on there, man. I'm gonna tell you. This is just the funny thing about it. This, so this, I can know is bad. They want to compare. Okay, well who shoes you wearing? That, yeah. That's like it. That's like it. I get it, I'll tell you. You ain't wearing Jordan's like you wearing that, right? They gonna say you got all the Jordan's, you got all the Bron's. That's true. That's exactly true. I agree with it. I agree with it. All that talk. I exactly agree with it. I agree with it, but then I will not disagree with it. And then we need to be saying, well Fiend shoes it. Let me wear some Fiend shoes. Hey, I'm wearing that too. I'm wearing that too. You know, all like, like. I like this. It's the systemic stuff that they use. I mean, it's a holiday every month, bro. Yeah. Every freaking month. You never have a child of real chest. It's gonna be Christmas. This is, this is. The thing of it is is that we got to make our own holiday, make our own, you know, things right. Stop, take them muck ass chains off your neck, put them together and help somebody. That's real. That's real. Getting on their flags and you look like a chopped sandwich to me. But see that, for Smokey to get to that spot, you know what I'm saying? You went through a lot. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people ain't ever been through nothing. You done been through some things. That's true. So I'm trying to tell you that. So 25 year old, right? Is living 25 year old what they think is the best version of their life. And whatever our version of, that's because we didn't got to that point of wisdom. We don't went through that. So the thing is to not to kill the bridge between us. Right. Cause the youth can pour their youth into us and we can be the smartest guys of age wisdom, right? And we can pull into them and they can take that wisdom, they can be the smartest 25 years. Well, it's not a matter of physical age. It's more of a mental age. It's experience, you know what I'm saying? You can have 60 year old boys and 24 year old men. It's about a conscious level. And like I always, my mama would say, nobody's gonna let thinking and hiding that conscious level go allow them to them. This is about again, the thing that we talked about communication. No folks over there in town got their kids and cackers. Yeah, it killed it going first, second grade. We over here with the dum-de-dum-de-dum. Don't say this, don't say that. Critical race, this, you know what I mean? Division. Yeah, it's all a confusing thing. And so it's just for anybody that's tired of being persecuted for free to just come together. It's easy. That's real. Instead of you getting and showing me your muck ass chain. My grandmother said it to me, perfect pertinent. She said all the time, smoking. You did not get free from the chains on your ankles and you said, for God, for you to buy them and put them on your neck. You see, all of this kind of stuff, the stuff that's wasteful because we shine on each other. We ain't shining on them. We get a gun for each other. We'll get a gun, you know? And so instead divide that we have to conquer and I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna share that with you. It's communication. Right back to it. But I- Yeah, we gotta think about serious shit, right? Yeah. You know? And that's why I love this brother here. Like, he understand, you see? He understand I could debate with him. You see? And I'm pushing a line that he got experiencing. I got experience in other things, but what are we gonna do to make it make sense? Together. Together. What the fuck we gonna do about that? Mm-hmm. You see? You know, everybody acing it and tracing it and watching Will Pope in place. Everybody slick, you know, your stills are jizzling. That shit don't mean nothing. When we gonna communicate right, stop talking and do something. I got it, I love it. I mean, you know what I said in the dome, man. Boss talk 101, you got to give me a pimp story. One that you ain't told. I need to hear a pimp story. Yeah, the dome is here. This is where we doing that. This is where everybody expect for the land, be honest. Am I right? Yeah, you are. Everybody come on here. If you got a pimp story. I got one, I got a question. Listen, I need that one that you know, you ain't really just, nobody heard this story. I got another question for you. Well, I guess I don't know if I gave one. I almost got killed in front of Pimp House. Hmm? Wow. Dude put a gun in the 30 right there. That's the one when you say he came in. Pimp came out like Jesus Christ. He said, oh, he said, put it down. For the dude that even said something, he stuck his gun and walked in front of him. Pimp said, put it down. What was it all about? I mean, he just. You know what it was mean? Put it down. Being a small dude. Missed that guy, bro. Missed that guy. I would have got my face blue off. But it's the influence that he had. And it was, you know, he and Bond was the leader. You know what I'm saying? Like I respect Bond like I respect Pimp because they both respected me. Like I was going to be the third member of UGK, I just went to prison. Yeah. Right? So it's a little bit different. Like Pimp, if you knew Pimp and you really knew Pimp, like all these people get on here with these good ass stories and ah, they don't know Pimp. They don't know. Like think about it, bro. If you wish somebody, you get along all the time, somebody faking it. That's right. Yeah, I'm not that kind. I'm not that, you know, yeah, we got into plenty of shit. To agree to disagree or something. I lived with him for three years and shit I don't tell you know. But yeah, man. But one thing about it is he always kept it one thought while he gon' tell the truth. Out of the other Pimp that they were talking about all, I didn't know him. I was in prison. Yeah. You know, and for anybody that wanna interview me in the future, do not ever ask me how Pimp died. Yeah. Don't ever ask me that. Yeah. Yeah. Please. So yeah, man, shit. It's so much going. I mean, it was just like a regiment, man. We had the bud room. You know, we had this room. We had all the MCs in the town and you had to be in the top 10. You couldn't come. What was Mama West had when you had this house at such early age? Mama West was in Al Vesta. But she was. They were, he's lived on San Jacinto and he lived probably about 10 miles, you know, go down to Gulfway in Al Vesta. That's when he lived. She ever come over and see what y'all were doing over there? Yeah. She wouldn't really just come all the time. Like I would go over to Mama House to get away. Oh, okay. I wanted to get away because, you know, they wouldn't count on, you know, it was more of a Pimp thing, but certain people couldn't go to Mama House. You know, but I was able to go. So like, I know you're thinking of a story. I'm skipping through my head because I don't want to reveal too much. Let's please understand that I'm with you. This is all love, man. I just don't, but I can't tell you this though. How about we do a story like this and have a continuity situation? I have some video footage like that I told you about. Yeah, yeah, I got to get it. It's unreleased. Unreleased. Never been seen before. Never been seen before. We're going to drop it. We're going to drop it. Drop it, yeah. That's how I want to make it. That's the platform. Man, you dropped it. Man, I'm going to put it out. It's got to go. Man, somebody got to see that and then they're going to understand. Is it going to drop this? I'm going to get it from you now or later on? I'm waiting on the guy to send it now. As soon as he sends it to me, I'm going to send it to you. That's hard, man. What about you, Finn? Give me a story, man. A Pimp story. I got a cool one just been able to know that he valued my pain from time to time. Wow. You know, I just thought that was just dope. Like these guys are heroes. I walked from the northern studios and it was next to this residence in so I could climb over the fence and go back to the hotel room, right? People was in there working on a kick-dove for C-Murder album and I believe it was kick-dove on C-Murder album. Yes, man. And I remember, you know, he like, man, I'm over here in the room, man. Just come over. I want you to hear what I'm working on for C right now, you know? And I go up in there and he got the rolling eight. Kind of like 908. Right, right. The rolling great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The black pat. So he hitting on that bit. He got the headphones on. Looking at him, he took the headphones on. I'm working for this for C-Murder. You know what I'm saying? He got the headphones on. I'm listening to the drum track. Like, whoa, whoa, man. I'm like, I'm seeing Pimp cook up a beat, bro. You heard me been going to middle school, high school, listening to these people on my headphones, bro. And I'm like, man, this bitch ain't out the pot yet. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And I was like, bro, that's what I love about. Snoop coming around. I was, I'm a hip hop baby, man. Yeah, yeah. Watching music. So Luda and Paul, DJ Paul tell me all the time, he was like, you ain't got damn Luda. Y'all got a hip hop quota for everything dealing with life. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I'm a hip hop baby, dawg. So Snoop was the same way. I look up to this gentleman and got a chance to do music with him. And he loved it. I'm talking about he'd be like, man, let me just get on the ad-libs on that bitch. You heard me? And I used to be like, this is so dope. This is Snoop. He's talking about, let me get on the ad-libs with a song because he just walked in and heard me in here. And we was recording some stuff too. And I don't know if he still have the sessions, but me and him were the recording just songs on our own at his house in the country club. You know what I'm saying? I was like, this is... How was that life like? Like when you were part of, you know, how long, how long I was living in the country club, right? I didn't live in the country club. How ironic I lived down the street from it the day, though. You know what I'm saying? But I had my nice little setup. I had a home pay for, I was barely there. I had a condo. They said you made $80,000 a month, right? What, $80,000 a month? That's independently. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I didn't make no, I didn't see real liquid cash to after no limit run, you know what I'm saying? But you know what? Wasn't really tripping. I knew money was gonna be there. Like, you know, when the day asked me years ago, you won't be famous, you won't be rich. I like to be honest with you, I prefer to be rich, you know what I'm saying? My brother was getting money in the street at the time so I knew what, you know, taking garbage bags, black hefty bags, bro, money. Counting money out of bags filled with money, bro. You know what I'm saying? All night, you remember? If anybody have ever count a lot of bread before you notice, it's just not know, it's gonna take a minute. Before money, machines, cash, it's coffee, it's beans, it was me and him. He didn't trust nobody outside of his, you know? So at the same time I was down and out and my brother was out here. At the same time, he wanted my help. So I was helping, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, so I wasn't, I think that molded me, I just wasn't really tripping. You heard me? So yeah, but I went independently. Oh my God, bro, 80,000 a month for a long time. Shout out to 3-6 for willing to do that joint venture too. The money come in it. You heard me, once you figure your thing, but you gotta know your consumer. You know your consumer, that's what cats all the day in the music industry. They don't know the consumer, they just reach you for everything. I wanna put out my tape, I wanna put out my tape. You don't even know who's listening to it. They don't check the analytics. They didn't need the analytics. First they gotta build a fan base to have that analytics, right? Most people don't wanna do the legwork. They think I can post it and I'm gonna sit and wait. Yeah, they don't wanna do the whole master piece. I should be a superstar. Everybody think they just post it on the table. And they go like that. The hand, the hand, you build a relationship with the person. I wouldn't here then get a trio, bro. I'm going to get one when we leave here. I got one, but I wanna ask you something. I got a question for you. All right, here we go. See murder, locked up right now, been locked up for 20 years. Off and on, yes, yes. What are you, have you been linking with him or do you? I haven't seen him as often as I want. And we talk about Corey Miller for sure. He was, man, in real time, he was me and Max's leader. Like, you know what I'm saying? I can't put all my fingers together. It wasn't just talk, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, man, we really, really, I just wanna see him get back with his daughters. He didn't raise these girls from behind that wall. So I'm just, man, I'm praying. Of course. We all praying that we in position to go in there and see. That's what I'm saying. I visit him. When Max was there, I was just telling this brother, oh, man, I can't think of anything. Oh, Brian Jackson, I believe his name, I met him. Brandon Jackson, excuse me, I met him yesterday. He said he ran real tight with C, back there. And I was just telling him that I'm gonna have to get his daughter info. I want to continue to visit him, you know what I'm saying? Cause I was, no, I'm gonna say kill two birds with one stone. I go visit Max, I can visit him. I go visit him, I can see Max, right? So now we got Max home by the grace of God and we have to still continue to go see our brother Corey Miller, you know what I'm saying? I don't get on his visiting list, but bro, he is a different type of strong. You know, he's a different type of strong. And I'm so happy that the Kim Kardashian's and whoever else out there want to pour their time and energy on bringing him home. You know what I'm saying? Oh, funny, I'll tell you a funny thing, story about C right quick, of course we get out of here. We went to Europe, right? I believe Pete didn't want to go to Europe, you know? Snoop was like, I'm going to Europe. I do my runs over there. He's like, would you bring some of the younger guys? Which is, so Snoop was cool with bringing us to Europe. 1998, all right? So I'm out there touring off a one-air family. I actually wrote Street Life in Europe. That was my 1999 release, July 6th. So we're over the seas, man. See, just big brother up, man, we get to Paris. He's like, look, we're about to go to a surplus, though. We're going to get us some fatigues. Everybody going to get knives. You know what I'm saying? Because we ain't got no poles over here. You know what I'm saying? We're going to be straight, better protect ourselves. You know what I'm saying? At the same time, we went to the top of the Eiffel Tower. At the same time, I mean, we did everything culturally. A young brother seeing the world should do. But at the same time, we didn't forget. Oh my God, we did not forget, right? So we're in a concert, right? We're chilling. You heard me? But we were like the biggest cancass of dogs you can have, Snoop can have. They didn't even know that we was ready trained on sight. You know what I'm saying? Somebody let off a gun, pow! In the club, right? We smelled the gunpowder from the stage, right? And had not one gun, but a knife and some hands. While we running through the club, looking at who let off the gunshot. You heard me? Smell the gunpowder, you know what I'm saying? Running through the stage. You heard me? Me, C, Mack, the twins. Ooh, we looking, ooh, we looking. And that was how we was about each other. Oh my God, that's how we was about each other. Bro, we got ready. We did this tour. We went to one part of Germany. We're there to lock us up in the back of the tour bus. And the driver had to say he was transporting equipment. Because this particular area was so racist, having these black boys come through. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what would have happened. We went to the checkpoint. I'll never get this, because Thanksgiving was super close. We was back there. The driver said, look man, don't make no noise. I don't care if I knock on the door, if I don't tell you this when I knock, don't answer, don't say nothing, right? He locked us back there. We went through the checkpoint, he had pulled over somewhere. He came back, let us know it was okay. Thanksgiving, we, Club Crackers and Kool-Aid, the bringin' out thing's givin', right? We got somewhere like Switzerland, we skin, messin' around. We gettin' ready to go to Japan, Hawaii, right? C said, give me y'all passports. Give me your passports. I don't want y'all to lose them. Give me your passports. All right, big bro, no problem. Here, take the passport. We get to the airport, we had to drive an hour from the ski resort to the Switzerland airport. We get there, right? We gettin' ready to load up, gettin' ready to get on a plane. We gettin' ready to get on a plane, we did not have our passports, right? C left the passports in a safe in the hotel at the ski lodge, right? As the first time I seen his face, you know, like he, he disappointed us, you know what I'm sayin'? It wasn't that deep, but to him, cause he was takin' responsibility in the end. Oh, oh man. And I just was like, this is my dog, man, this is my dog. He gave me and Mack our tanks, put our tanks around our neck. You know, once we had been there and, you know, they seen what was goin' on. And we had the, we was like, nah, I'm like, don't trip. Man, Snoop said, y'all got your passports. Hey, I'ma see y'all back in the states, baby. You know what I'm sayin'? See you back in the states, girl. See you back in the states, girl. See you back in the states, girl. See you back in the states, girl. You know what I'm sayin'? So I was like, okay, so we gon' miss Japan, we gon' miss Hawaii. So we gettin' the color seat, like, don't trip, man. Just don't trip. There we go. To the ski resort, drive our, get the passports, come back. Right, so we sittin' there. He's still heated. Boy, they got guys walkin' around. Minute 14, the officers and stuff in the airport. Man, we go through one way, it was the wrong way. So the dude jumped out with the gun. Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. See, like, man, he better get the gun out of my face, man. He like, what? Man, another dude come out there, 14. So we like, oh, we up, it's up. I'm like, tryin' to calm down. I'm in his face, round like, like, like, see, calm down, they'll kill us. And no one would know about this for a very long time. Look down at me, man, boy, look down at me. You heard me here, who had this? Who had this in his eye, dog? But I was just being honest. And he felt that, and he calmed it down, and that was that, right? That was that, right? So we got accepted, we gon' catch a flight the next day, we gon' miss, we gon' miss this flight goin' back to the States. We get on the plane, come back to the United States. We get on the plane, the cats are still uptight. Maddie's sittin' right here, God bless his soul and his wife, that pathway, right? Yeah, magic. Ski team, I never forget they got these red suits. This woman, the guy's woman is kneeling him in the back of his seat, right? So he's like, he'll get up, he like, man. And she's just like, he like, sit round, sit round, like, they keep kneeling him in the back of his seat. I like, nah, dawg, like, just chill, bro, you hear me? Just chill. She did it again, right? He like, man, hold on, bro. He like, say, bro, she do it again. It's gon' be a problem. I said, nah, it's all good. She did it again. He took his seat and laid it all the way back in her lap. Wah! Right? They jumped up. All these dudes jumped up. We jumped up. The Sky Martian had jumped up, you hear me? He like, you better call the deposit, bitch. It's up, you know Maddie, right? Bitch, it's up, bitch, it's gon' go down. It's about to be a problem, bro. We got off that plane, Sky Martian police waiting on us. You hear me? I was looking at him like I, he just couldn't chill. Just a bit, you know what I mean? How old were you guys at that time? We had to be 20, man. They ain't got all that money on these planes, and Java Rock going to any different countries. That's the different level, ain't it? You gon' learn the day. You gon' learn the day. Like, it was a real lesson. I'm happy Snoop to this date brought us over there. And like I said, it made me motivate me to do the Street Live album because it let me know the world was a ghetto. You know, I had this no-limit chain, this Rolex and all these things, but when I did Street Live, I stood to myself for all those trinkets to put out my music and shoot my videos because I really saw the world as a ghetto. I was in one part out the country. I saw this woman hanging her clothes up on a clothesline. Yeah, remember that from home. I remember that, man. So I was like, it just was real. I was like, man, the world is really a ghetto. Marvin, these people knew what they were talking about. You know what I'm saying? The Wall knew what they were talking about. You know what I'm saying? Ghetto boys, I don't know. They wrote it. They knew what they were talking about. The world is a ghetto. Yeah, it actually is, man. We got a, I got a, asked you about Soldier Slim. I can't get on here. I don't feel without asking about Soldier Slim. Like you and I, they knew it. Every time I go down there, it's a different story. Somebody, they all love, they show so much love to Soldier Slim. He, this, he, that. Was that same love here for him when he was in the city, when he was riding around different hoods, different neighborhoods? Believe it or not, you know, love Slim, shot out the Hound, his cousin Hound, shot the Miss Linda Tau, shot the G.I. Peaches. Peaches? Shot his family, shot a little Soldier Slim. Little Soldier, that's my guy. Yeah, I never rode around with Slim. So I really, I'm quite sure it was there, right? I know how, he's loved. He's loved. Oh, he's loved now for sure, but. But you know, I don't, I didn't ride around with him to know if he had this like, you know, had like, I was in the studio. I wasn't, I got out in the streets. I, I was a young and learneder. I had too many guns and a car with me all the time. Like I was, nobody would want to ride with me. Did you and him link up and everything? Of course, man, we recorded, me and him and BG recorded something. That's all I was trying to tell you. Like I recorded with Cash Money. I, I, I, me and Birdman, like we these, I was great with Birdman. I was just getting your hair. I was just getting your hair. No, I'm just letting you know. Birdman told you to stop the bank paper, right? I'm trying to tell you when I was 14, man. He did. He done did it. I love your voice, man, you know, but you know me, I don't know, man. You need to talk about this gangsta shit, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, you know, and I felt him on that. I just had to do it my way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Then yeah, I went to one of her fam. I got a chance to talk about all the stuff that I had went through streets, saying it safe. I got to talk about the things I just talked to Jim about earlier. I had a chance to get this stuff off. It was there before me. It helped me. I didn't have no therapist. No way I had the studio. I had the guys before me that put it down. Oh, D. That put this music down that allowed me to know it was okay. Diamonds up against the wall, you know what I'm saying? My baby mama say I ain't living right. You know, I was able to get this and it was like, I didn't have a baby mama to tell you. Nick just act like you got a baby mama. The music's so good and Nick was going to the character. Who the hell baby guy? Come over here, you gonna say something? Yeah, do your thing. I got a... Wait, who got you in this restaurant too, Phil? Get up and go, just get up and go. I want to ask you. Come here, come right here. So what is this here I got in my hand? He the hand that I round the table. I don't know what I got. Is he got a look in it? Cause I thought I didn't drink it. You could drink something. I didn't know if it was a look in it. I don't drink, so it's helped me. No, it's hemp in it, CBD. Okay. So the difference is I farm in a manufacturer. Man, you talk a little bit about it. You talk a little bit out there. So I started this with a seed and let's talk about the hemp A right quick before we get y'all out of here. All right. So once again, I'm a farmer, a farmer about 4,000 plants of CBD. Then I also manufacture, I've got five flavored limonades, actually seven. I got tea cakes, cookies, popcorn, chocolate chip cookie. I got lemon pepper seasoning, multi pepper seasoning, body butter, bath salts, and LA Guy in Mississippi Farming. Wow. Man, so how can we get these? Man, go to my website, Kazmere Farms, C-A-S-I-M-I-R, farms.com, just order it. Your listeners tell me where they heard it off the show. I'll give them a 20% discount on the product. Wow. All right, man, that's all I needed to know. I didn't want to end it on that note, man. So, man, Smokey, you know I love you, bro. This ain't our last time. We got a lot more to do. Oh, yes, sir, man. We finish it down, though. Trio talk, no P.O. talk. Smokey, how can people get a hold to you? Hold on one second. My Instagram is smiznokey. Switch out. And my Facebook is the same. SMIZnokey, you can give me on all social media platforms by that name. Man, how can people get a hold to you, man? I know you, everybody know you. Hey, man. We love you. Big fans. Love is mutual. Hey, man, I need my little tank, and you got to give me some, too. What you got, a UGA? We got a T-shirt, a hat, and give me some. I got you some hoodies out there in the crowd. I'll take it. Please, I'll take it. But go ahead. Oh, it's all good, man. Hit me up on Instagram, 504fiend. I know I said, oh, but it's actually a zero. Oh, really? 504fiend, I'm on Twitter, Fiend for the money. Also got our clothing brand name, Sleepy Bear, power tapping with that. And we got a compilation coming out called Season Open of JLR, September 7th, it's a Jet Life release. Also got a project available right now. It's a new Fiend project entitled Coolest in Session 3. You dig? Production by the Honorable C-note, the Mecca, Raphael, RJ2, David Adams, and a gang of the cool people on that thing. Paul Waller, that thing, you heard me? So, yeah, man, tap in, tap in. Get with your people. DM me for all business, inquiries, you heard me? And everything that we got popping, just tap in, man. I'm officially a motivational speaker. You hear me? That's where I'm at in my life right now. You can go listen to all the music and you're gonna see the messages in the bottle. So just tap in, you feel me? You ever, you know, trying to get yourself together, tap in my line, 504fiend, you're gonna have something on that that's gonna help you one step further closer to what you're trying to catch, you hear me? Already, all right, man. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show, man. Thank you, baby. It's been another great segment. Yes, sir. Of Bossop 101. Yes, sir. With the bosses talk. With the bosses talk. I know that's right. Jet Life Jones. Hey!