 I think I'm ready to go. Those of you watching can tell me if the audio is okay. I would be appreciative of that and we'll get started. Alright. So my plan for tonight is to find or not really find because I've already found them. Thank you Robert. My plan is to go through and install at least three distros that I've never installed before. That's my plan. Now, this will be in virtual box because I don't actually have a capture card to install this on hardware, but so we'll see how successful we are. This should be fun. Okay. Well, so I suppose I could tell, say, what distros I'm going to install. So I'm going to be installing Bunsen Labs. So I found these all by doing a random distribution thing on DistroWatch. Now, my criteria were that or yeah, that they had to be distros that I've never installed before and they had to be desktop environment containing distros like they couldn't be like a server-based distro or something for the TV or something like that. So those are my basic criteria. There were a few that I just passed by because they were no longer active. So I did kind of try to get ones that have been at least updated in the last year or so. I think the last one maybe hasn't been updated in the last year. I can't remember. But anyways, we're going to do Bunsen Labs. We're going to do something called Simplicity Linux. We're going to be doing Refracta, Reborn OS, and OpenMendriva. I've never installed any of these before. So we're going to give those a try. I believe OpenMendriva is an independent distro, so it's based on its own thing. Reborn is arch-based. And I think the other three are all Debian-based. So that's going to be a thing. Hello, Chris. Okay, now I will say that Reborn OS took for literally forever to download. It took like four hours to download a two gigabyte ISO. So that was an interesting experience. All the rest of them downloaded really fast. So I'm assuming it's just the way that they host their ISOs, because I don't think that this was on like source forage or anything like that. So I did want to go through and actually download them first, because I didn't want to do that on stream. That would be highly entertaining. Just sitting here waiting for an ISO to download. Okay, well, the question is, which one to start with first? I think I'm going to go ahead and start with Bunsen Labs first. Now, this is based on Debian Stable. Has an open box desktop. I'm not very familiar with open box. That's one way to look at it, Emacs, yeah. More likely it's just that they are hosting it on their own server or something, and it's just slow. Anyway, so we'll go ahead and start. I should have probably went through and created the VMs first, but... So let's see, Linux, and this is Debian 64. I always give them about eight gigabytes of RAM, even though that's way too much. But it honestly doesn't matter to me. So I have 64 gigs, just so I can do stupid stuff like that. What's weird about VirtualBox is that if you change the video memory from out here without going into the settings, you can change this all the way up to 256 megs. But if you do it within the settings, you can only do 128, but if you've already changed it, it doesn't show that. Give it a couple more cores, and then OK. And then we'll go through and add the thing to the add, and let's see here, downloads, stream ISOs. All right. So this is the one that has a really weird name. I think it's the lithium one. I can't remember, like they didn't actually go through. Yep. That's the right one. OK. All right. This one here. All right. And make sure it's selected. Choose. I think that's it. All right. I don't know anything about Gentoo, Emacs, not a thing other than I know that you have to compile everything from source, including, and you have to build your own kernel. That's literally the extension of everything I know about Gentoo. Now, I've watched some mental outlaw stuff on Gentoo, but I don't really have an interest in, I'm just too impatient for that kind of stuff. Now, there are ones that are based on Gentoo that are exactly like that, I think, but I'm not sure what they are. I'd have to look into it. OK. Let's see here. I think we're ready to start. Let's go ahead and get started. Let's see how this works. All right. So we don't get full screen, which is disappointing. This live operating system allows you to test Bunsen Labs without making any changes to your computer's hard drive. Keyboard shortcuts for some of the common applications are listed on the desktop, so we get ourselves a conky. You can change your keyboard layout by running the command in the terminal, set xkbmet. I think it should be OK. So we're going to try to do, so super, surprisingly there doesn't seem to be a super t is going to be a terminal. So this is just thought maybe Neofitch might be installed. You never might know, might get lucky. So let's see if we can make this bigger. Yep. There we go. That's better. OK. All right. We can close this. So let's see if we can figure out where the installer is. Maybe I should have read more, see if we can get that back. Yep. Here we go. User name is user live to install the operating system to the hard drive, reboot and choose install or test, text install from the boot menu. Interesting. OK. So we're going to have to, I probably should have read that. OK. Well, we'll do that. Yes, YouTube. I know I'm live. Thank you very much for that charming notification. Try yourselves again. YouTube is sometimes completely useless. OK. So let's see here. Install. OK. We're going to see if this is a text based installer or if it's going to be a virtual, a visual installer. Oh, visual installer. How nice. OK. So English is good. Continue. So this looks very much like the Debian installer from what I remember, which is not that surprising because it is based on Debian. So continue. American English is fine. Yeah, this looks a lot like Debian. I think I've installed Debian exactly one time. That's fine. The domain name, I don't think I need to enter that. The user account will be created for you to use instead of the root account. Please enter the real name of this user. This information will be, I think, and we'll just go ahead and do this. That is fine. I think you were supposed to leave that stuff blank if you wanted to be a root user, but I don't, because I've only installed Debian one time. So let's see here. Very complicated password. OK. Continue. I actually don't mind Debian all that much. I just don't prefer the package management system. So I don't like apt at all. Eastern is fine. I'm going to just go ahead and use the entire disk to see how it does. Continue. Oh, you can do a separate home. Cool. I don't think we need to do that this time, but if I were going to install this in the middle, I'd definitely do that. OK. Continue. It's nice to ask you something that you have to specifically act on in order to actually go through and write stuff. That's kind of cool. A lot of times, like Ubuntu will just tell you, you know, pop up with an are you sure message? And people just click on buttons willy-nilly. So it's one of the fears I always have with an arch install is that I'll point the arch install to the wrong disk and end up overwriting something that, you know, I can't, you know. So it's a lot harder when you have disks that are the same size. So I have like two Western digital two terabyte drives in my computer and they both show up exactly the same size. So it's really hard to figure out which one to point things to. Apt isn't so bad. There are just a few better package managers out there. Yeah. Hi, Torsten. How are you doing? Honestly, I think most of my problems with apt is that I don't like the PPA system. Things just get abandoned in the PPA system. Half the time is the PPA. PPAs are empty or they have out of date insecure software. Now, I mean, I understand that the AUR is not any different. There are a ton of abandoned packages on the AUR. So my love affair with the AUR is probably kind of hypocritical, but I can't really help that. Hey, Wayne. How are you doing? Welcome to the stream, such as it is. Yeah, Pac-Man and the AUR are great. Hey, Megalyn. How are you doing, bud? We're just waiting for this to do its thing. Probably going to be the least interesting part of the stream, which is, you know, saying something. Oh, here we go. It seems that this new installation is the only operating system on the system. If so, it should be safe to install the grub bootloader to the master boot record for your first hard drive. So I think we should say yes to that. You need to make sure, make the newly installed system bootable by installing the grub bootloader on a bootable device. The most usual way to do this is to install grub on the master boot record of your first hard drive. If you prefer, you can install grub elsewhere in the hard drive or to another drive or even to a floppy. Now, let's hold on here, friends. Even to a floppy. All right, Bunsen Labs. You guys need to update your system just a little bit. Just your text. I think you can just go ahead and select that. I'm not sure though. And just hold on a second. I'll get my floppy disk out and install the thing. Like, I have a, like a first to boot to like CD or something around here somewhere. Even that did come on a floppy disk. The installation is complete, so it's time to boot into your new system. Make sure to remove the ventilation media so that you can boot back into the system rather than restarting the installation. Okay. So it's probably going to try to reboot, which probably won't work because this is a virtual box. Well, it's going to do it just fine. Okay, cool. All right. Here we go. Remove the installation floppy now. Oh, it's so good. It's like maybe somebody hasn't actually read, I mean, because this has been updated fairly recently. It's not like it's completely old. So it's like they haven't read through their installer forever. I wonder if the Debian installer says the same thing. Does anybody know? I bet it probably does because that was very much the Debian installer. I almost want to install Debian just to find out. So this is open box. And oops. First thing I always do is install Neofetch. Okay. So you clear that. I know you can just do control L. I always forget because I always have C map or alias to clear. All right. So Neofetch. So we have a bunch in labs. I wanted to come out a long time ago. Yeah. So that floppy thing has been there for a long, quite a while. I think they definitely need to update that. That's just that's so much fun. Okay. So we got ourselves a cool logo here running bash 5.0. The kernel 4.19, which is quite old. I'm almost positive that the Bunsen stable actually is running 5.04. I think now, which was the previous LTS. So this is even older than that. All right. Yeah. This is definitely let me get out of this and go back to see because I want to see when this is released. So this was released on August 2, 2020. So, okay. So 5.4 was the last long term before 5.10. 4.19 was the one before that. So it is now two LTSs behind despite only having been released a year ago. I remember using floppy disks too, but I was like an elementary school when it happened. Well, that's not true because we had the big like five and a quarter inch or whatever it was when I first got into school. And, you know, so we use those in like the really, really old max. I don't know what those were. And I use those all the way through middle school. And then the little like two and a half inch or whatever the hell they were floppy disks didn't come into high school. And like I have a whole ton of them all in the other room. But still. Okay. So yes, I know this is deviant base, but it's still an old. It is deviant 10 base. Great. Okay. So, but I mean, that's not a huge deal because it's still in support. But I think Bunsen Labs is one of those ones that don't update all that much. The ones with the big wholeness in the middle. The floppy disk drives. Those are fun. I did my first programming in computer class on those disks. And that was fun. That was a long time ago. Let's see what we got installed here. So applications, accessories. So we have, I don't know what BL CLI editor is. Oh, this is going to be that looks like nano. Is that a graphical version of nano? Tell me your kidney right now. There's a graphical version of nano. All right. I think it's time for me to retire. Graphical versions of them. But why is there a graphical version of nano? Why do you need a graphical version of nano? If that's even what that is. It's a CLI editor. And that would be nano. I mean, that's, that's, that's highly entertaining. Why not just installed? Why would you? I'm confused about that. So BL file manager. What's that? So this looks like Thunar. That is Thunar. Yep. Okay. Thunar is a good file manager. Let's see. Go back here. Yeah. Yeah. It is just, it's because, but still, why would you have a link to nano? I don't understand nano. Oh, sometimes I have to use nano because VimWiki hijacks every markdown file on my system. My VMRC file is a mess. I use NeoVim, but it's still a mess. I haven't looked at it. I haven't updated it in a long time. Let's see here. Bulk renamed. That's from Thunar. Catfish file search. Clip it. It's probably going to be a screenshot thing. Compton is here. G calculators calculator. Now LibreOffice is showing up in the accessories thing for some reason. Nitrogen is here for wallpapers. All right. Well, if screenshot is here, then what is Clip it? Oh, that's going to be a clipboard manager. Yeah. All right. That makes sense. All right. Let's see here. What else? Terminal emulator. Oh, this was X terminal emulator. Is that X term? Is that what X term shows up? I've just never seen nano in a menu before. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just weird. So X external emulator is just X term, right? I've never heard it really called that before. But that seems to be the only... Oh, look, Vim's here in the file manager. I've seen Vim in the menus before. It seems to be installed that way. Because if you install Vim and you're running KDE or something, it will show up in the menu. Genie's here. Document viewers and Resetto image viewer. Multimedia. We have XF burn, VLC's here, and Bunsen Labs media player, which is just VLC. Wonder why they would link to... I wonder why they link to VLC twice. They call it VLC, and then they call it BL media player. Like, they've done some kind of special sauce to it. Yeah. See, I like the theming as well. This is like, Solarized-ish, right? What this is called? Definitely, it's cool. I didn't actually look at the welcome thing there. I'll do that in a minute. Internet, we got Web Browser, which is going to be the extended support release of Firefox. FileZilla is installed by default. HexChat by default. MailReader is going to be... There's no MailReader installed, but they have it linked in the menu anyways. I saw Distortube's video on Neovite. I haven't tried it yet. I don't necessarily need those animations, but I mean, they're cool, but I think they distract me. Let's see here. So settings, this is going to probably use... So this is... Yeah, this uses the XFCE stuff for settings management, which is good. And also not surprising at all. Most window managers probably do that. So there's not a ton of stuff here. What is Jigolo? A simple front-end to easily connect mount to local remote file systems. I've never heard of that before in my life. Oh, that would make sense. Torsten, the BL stuff is just stuff that's linked to other applications, I guess. I don't know that I necessarily need it, but... I mean, because you can do this right in a file manager, so I'm not exactly sure what this is... Why, right? It's a little weird. Where was I? So the rest of the stuff is fairly... GW is here for package management. I'm surprised Synaptic is installed. It's right there. I spoke too soon. Okay. Alternatives Configurator. Alternatives Configurator, what is that? Let's see if I can make this bigger. Fullscreen. What even is this? Right, Torsten, I know that that's what it's for. I just don't understand why you can't just use Thunar. Because Thunar has all that functionality. I mean, it's not front and center, but... So this is kind of where you set default apps or something like that? Or set for... It's a Simlink Manager. I've never heard of a Simlink Manager in my entire life. My numeness is showing up. I can't help it, but still that's... I guess it's because... I mean, because when I want to manage a Simlink, I just use the terminal. And I don't use Simlinks all that much, so maybe it's just because I've never explored Simlinks all that much. I don't know. Okay, so let's take a look at this welcome screen. So, hey Matt, welcome to Bunsen Labs Linux. This is an optional post install script designed to help you configure your new links installation and get the most out of Bunsen Labs. You will now be presented with a series of options. You will need your password, so please have it handy. You will also need a working internet connection, so if you have not done so already, please configure your internet connection. If you do not want to run this script now, you can run it later at a later date by entering the command BL welcome in your terminal. Let's enter to continue. Let's see what it does. I'm assuming this is going to install some stuff. While false is primarily about freedom and choice, certain choices are known to carry increased risks of breaking things in Bunsen Labs. Two riskier things are adding the Ubuntu PPAs, installing a package that wants a newer version of libc6, which I believe would probably include something like DWM. More information can be found here. Right-click the above link to choose open link to visit the page. Please type I understand to continue with this script. Why not just yes? Before we can continue, we need to make sure the system software is up to date. This script will execute the following commands. If you do not want to upgrade now, you can run this script anytime. Would you like to upgrade software now? Sure. Why not? Thanks, Coded, for that. I like them. I do like EndeavorOS quite a lot. But that installer man was that slow. I'm still not sure what was going on with that. So watching somebody else do updates on their system has to be about the most interesting thing to watch on YouTube, right? I wonder if updating this will actually update our kernel. That'd be interesting. I think the reason why I thought the recent version of Debian had moved to the 5.10 or 5.4 kernel was because MX Linux has. I think I remember them being on a much more recent kernel. That's been a while ago. So if you use Emacs, do you use just regular Emacs or do you use DOOM Emacs? I have DOOM Emacs installed. Bunsen Labs Lithium comes with a set of background images, but the wallpaper and other background images that were released with Bunsen Labs Hydrogen and Halium are also still available. Would you like to install these other images from the Bunsen Labs image archives package? Yes. Why not? Okay. What's next? Debian backports are packages taken from the next Debian release called testing, adjusted and recompiled for usage in Debian stable. I see the only way I'd ever be able to get into Emacs at all is to have the VIM key bindings. This is the way it's going to end up having to be. If I ever do a video on that, it's going to be with DOOM Emacs. I'm just too reliant on stuff in VIM. I provide it as this basis. The risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable is therefore recommended to only select single backported packages that fit your needs and not use all available backports. Sure. This is quite a setup process. It's cool that this does it for you, though, because a lot of people are going to want this stuff. I don't need Bluetooth support. Java support? By default, Bunsen Labs has not come with Java runtime environment. Don't need it. Dropbox. Page 10 of 16. Okay, we're almost done with this. Don't need Dropbox. This row is Bunsen Labs. This is their lithium release from August of last year. The most recent release. The remaining screens will offer you the chance to install less commonly used packages used for developing software. Would you like to see these options screens? Sure. Why not? We've made it this far. So this is, would you like to install some commonly used version control tools? We don't actually need to do that, but it's nice to see what they are. So we can say no to that. Would you like to install Apache 2 web server? No. So that's LAMP. Would you like to install a suite of packages used for developing Debian packages? We should list, like, what's the point of doing this and not listing what those packages are? Or since if you at least gave some idea of what packages you'll be installing, because otherwise, just install them, I guess. I don't know. Would you like to perform these actions? Sure. We're going to get those images, and then we can go look at the images. Have fun at work, Maiklin. Okay, any key to exit? That was done. Okay, now one last thing, and then we'll move on to the next one. We're going to, let's see here, nitrogen. All right. Honestly, it didn't install that many. If it went through and actually installed all the old wallpapers, it didn't actually put them here in nitrogen. So that's a little bit disappointed. I'm not going to go hunt and form, but still, I can't say I'm all that impressed with the ones that come with it. That's a weird-looking wallpaper. All right. So that was Bones in the Labs. That was a complete success. I didn't have a single error there. That's a nice way to start the stream. It's Debian. So the question I have is, so basically what you're doing is you're installing this. That's a good idea. We'll see if I probably won't see too much here. Okay, and then we'll give it a reboot. See how that goes. Something might have changed. Maybe all the wallpapers will shut up, too. We lost our full screen for what reason? I'm not sure. There we go. Nope, still on the same kernel, but that's not all that surprising. But let's go check nitrogen because we wanted to see that wallpapers probably didn't show up. Nope, still the same ones. Okay, well, we tried. Hmm. They probably were installed in the system wallpaper folder. Yeah. So that's probably why they're not showing up. That's okay. Nitrogen's kind of finicky like that. Let's go ahead and shut this down. I keep hitting Super Enter for the terminal. Oops, forgot to hit now. There we go. I'm going to go ahead and remove that. All right, we'll move into the next one. What's the next one? I don't remember what the next one is. Stream Isos. Here we go. So the next one is going to be whatever that desktop 20.04 was. I think that was... So, let's see here. So we did Bunsen. We can close that. SimplicityOS is going to be that one. This one right here. We'll do this one next. And I believe that is SimplicityLinux. We're going to look for that on DistroWatch because I wanted to see what it's based on. This is based on Devlon. So that means we're not going to get SystemD. So SimplicityLinux is a Devlon-based distribution with Cinnamon as the default desktop environment. Prior to 2020, it was based on PuppyLinux and XFCE. Okay, it comes with three editions, many desktop and gaming. We're going to try the desktop version. The many edition features a cloud-based... features cloud-based software. The desktop flavor offers a collection of general-purpose software. And the gaming variant includes a launcher for Steam games. Okay. So, this is going to be SimplicityLinux. And, yep. And then this is going to be Debian as well. I think that will probably work if it's not expecting SystemD. Let's go ahead and give it some memory here. I know that I still know that that's way too much, but I don't mind. It's just habit at this point. Okay, so let's see what we got. Right amount of video RAM here. Change this to the other one here. Okay. Add the choose file. Add. And this is this one here. Okay. And choose. And we're going to go ahead and give it a processor. Give us some more processor cores. Okay. Yeah, I don't like when they change either. It kind of shows a lack of focus, but we're going to give it a try. I actually haven't used Devuan before, so this is going to be a new experience. This may be a text-based installer. I'm not exactly sure. We're going to find out. We're going to use a text-based installer. We may not be doing it, because those are usually a lot harder to learn. Although Devuan is not a text-based installer. Devuan has a graphical installer similar to Debian. It's Maroon, I think, if I remember right. I think Linux Debler had it. All right, here we go. Let's see. Well, this is taking its nice sweet time. Definitely not the fastest start-up into a live environment I've ever seen, because I've never actually myself installed Devuan. I've only gone through and watched somebody else do it. Well, we've got into a black screen. That's either promising or not promising. Wow. Interesting. We have a mouse cursor and we have a live environment. Yay! What did DistroWatch say that the environment was going to be? I said it was going to be Cinnamon, right? Cinnamon is currently running without video hardware acceleration and as a result, you may observe much higher than normal CPU usage. That's okay, because we're in a virtual environment. I said it was either good or bad. I'm not making any statements on the goodness of black screens or not. I'm interested to see we seem to be stuck. But we're going to be patient. I'm going to be patient. I'm not good at being patient, but I'm going to be patient. Definitely not the fastest startup I've ever seen. But what you're going to do, we'll see if this comes up. That's interesting. There is actually something there. The bar is just not actually showing up. That's interesting. I'm glad I pressed the super key. When in doubt, press the super key. Okay. So, let's see if we search for install. I don't think that's actually going to it. Oh, there it is. Why would they set the panel to auto hide? That is that is silly. Yeah, that's weird. Why would they? Thanks for pointing that out, but that's really weird. So the PSC man FM here as the file manager, but that doesn't help me find the installer. Let's see here is this might be one of those. I mean, it's meant for actually being installed, right? I didn't choose a desktop environment that was meant to be used off of a USB USB key, right? Because I didn't say anything here about that. I bet you it is because it says live medium here. I bet you that's what that is. So there's not actually an installer. That makes all right. Well, you know what? That's okay. Because it doesn't actually this doesn't actually have a website. So you can actually go can't go find more information about it. Oh, well, we'll go through and look at the live environment then and we'll continue to ponder the interesting choice of making the only panel on the screen hidden by default till the weirdest thing ever. So this is cinnamon. All programs. Accessories. So create a module from install packages by app to get. So clipman is going to be clip. Clip many or clipboard manager. There's a lot of things here that I don't know what those things are. So app to SFS. I'm not sure what that is. Yeah, right. I mean, you wouldn't game on a live medium. Would you? Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't think so. This is the desktop version. And the reason why I chose the desktop version because I was assuming probably like I said wrongly is that you would install it on your desktop. But yes, it doesn't. So there's a lot of things here that I don't know what those are. Virtual keyboard chrome apps take Tega. What is that? Whatever it is, it doesn't want to load very fast. That's your D dog special. Clear changes at reboot. So this is a live medium. So anything you install should save to the medium at least we can find out that's true. Let's open paternal. First there has to be a way modify panel. Let's see here. Panel settings. Let's see here. Auto hide panel. Wait, is there not an option here to not hide panel? Oh, there it is right there. Okay, good. That's dumb. I mean, that's the dumbest thing ever. I mean, I'm just let's I mean, definitely not use new user friendly because I would have just said here for ages and ages if somebody hadn't said it was hidden. I mean, eventually I would have maybe figured it out, but okay, so let's do it here. Pseudo apt install Neofetch. Neofetch is not in the the repositories. Okay, that's an interesting thing. I don't know anything about dev once. Why would they be using different packages? So what this is create a module from temperature temporary installed packages by Epgate Epgate. These packages will not be registered by deep pkg depending on the sort of applications that may work or not. What is the best Linux for gaming? Probably pop OS. Do update update first. That might do it. Yeah, that worked. Thanks, Max. You've been saving my ass the whole stream. You gotta remember I'm not a devian user, so of course the first thing I do on an arch distro is update the mirrors. So I mean, of course. Okay, so this lists itself as devian and not simplicity Linux. This is 10 Buster, so it's going to be using 5.6. It's using the 5.6 kernel. It's using 5.6. Why 5.6 isn't an LTS, so that's really weird. It's using 5.6 kernel. That feels really weird. There's 1,000 packages on this live thing. It's using Cinnamon with Mudder. This is the LXD terminal. Yeah, I'm uh okay. So we did manage to install something. That's good. So the question is, now that we've installed that, I'm just curious let's see if rebooting makes that persistent. I'm just very curious to see if that stays installed because then what's the point. I understand so Tails, I think, if I remember that's right, Tails is a live-medium distro. But that's for security purposes, right? I mean, it's possible that this is being used for the same way, but okay. I'm more interested now in the gaming thing, because they have a gaming live-medium and that'd be interesting to see how they did it. I can't game it in virtual machines, so I don't have anything to pass through for graphics. Yeah, it's weird that they changed it back to, because it says it's based on Devlon but it identifies itself as Debian. Which is, again, very weird. Yeah, but you can't I mean, you still have to install something to the disk and even if you have like a USB-C hard drive that you can I mean, first of all let's bypass the fact that most school computers probably don't have USB-C to actually installed, you know, to hook up to like USB, most of them probably are using USB-2 but I mean, still you'd have to install something on the medium to play a game, right? So, okay. I just don't think it'd be fast enough. It's gonna be something that I'm gonna look into off-stream, because it's very weird. Also, start-up times not all that great but and that even leads more to the idea that okay, so nothing is persistent because that thing's hiding itself again. Yeah, so nothing persistent, so even if that's true, you'd have to go through and install your games every single time. Yeah. Um, this is uh, I mean, it's if you're gonna use it as something for like tails you know fine, if you're just gonna use this for something that was secure, you wanted it always contained and you always wanted it wiped afterwards. This, I mean, there's nothing wrong with this from what I've seen. It has installed that you could use. It has I mean, oddly, it has Google Chrome as the web browser. I mean, so uh, yeah, I can see if system CTL is installed. No. So it's not running system D. But it most definitely is. It's got a spell shut right now. It's still weird, right? So it's a distro of identifying itself as Debian. So it makes you wonder what they're it's weird. Okay. I'm pretty well done with this. Like I don't mind live medium distros. I don't understand the whole Google Chrome thing. Flash player choice. Yeah, I realize it now. Um, so whoever's doing this is definitely not afraid of installing proprietary software by default. Audacity is here. MPV Shotcut for video editing Spotify is pre-installed. Okay. So uh, very interesting. I'm not sure what we did to deserve that, Mr. Ayab. What if your name is um, anyways, I'm going to go ahead and quit this out and go to the, we'll move to the next one. Um, this one here was simplicity linux, supposedly based on Devon, though it doesn't show the Devon logo like Devon does. Um, so it also still wants you to log in if you use the TTY as puppy, interestingly, because it used to be based on puppy. So it actually has been updated recently. I don't um, distro watch doesn't actually tell you when the last update was or does it update? Yep. It was updated in May of last year. So it's been about a year. So, no, it wasn't a 2009 distro. Alright, so that was simplicity linux. Uh, not, not great. Alright, we're going to be moving to something called Refract. Now Refract is an operating system designed for home computer users. It provides simple and familiar layout with it. Most users will find very comfortable. Now this one is also based on Devon. So yeah, definitely max definitely we're going to delete that one get that off the hard drive start ourselves something new. So this one is going to be called refractal refracta refracta Okay, and this is going to be Linux and Debian 64. All right. Doesn't really matter. All right, let's see here. Yep. Remember when I selected these, I did the randomizer thing on distro watch. So the first three of these just happened to be based on Debian. The next one will be based on Arch I promise. Okay. Here we go. So this is refracta 10.4. So this should be running XFC I should go and give it another processor core as well. So this is going to be refracta based on Devon. I see that looks more like it. So let's see here. Should go ahead and do the default one. See how this goes. How are you doing, John? Welcome to the stream where we're on is this number three or number four for I've forgotten. So we've done simplicity we've done so this is three. All right, let's see here. So this is definitely XFC and this looks a lot like I believe Devon does out of the box. I know it was horrible, but like I said the next one's Arch and the last one was OpenMendriva and that was independent. So I only noticed after I was done with the third one that they were all Debian based. Okay, so let's first we got some big so we can get this a little bigger here, which is good. A little bit of screen tearing, but that's not unusual. So let's go ahead and see here. Fire menu start applications in fire jail. Let's see here. So is it possible that I chose another one that is a live medium? That'd be funny. Thunar Genie, Firefox Let's see here. Bleach bit Refract Installer. Here we go. This utility will install a running live CD or running USB on your hard drive. All right, let's see here. Grub PC is not installed, but you booted into in bias mode. If you have the Grub PC Dev packages, you will be given a chance to install them into the new system. Okay. Check the options you want for the installation. If you don't understand an option, you probably don't need it. Well, that's nice to say. Because true, right? So create a new separate home partition. We don't need to do that. Don't need to do a separate boot partition. Just use swap files. Fine. We don't need to encrypt anything. Write random data to encrypt the partitions. Don't write zeros. Do not format file systems. I'll handle it myself. No, we just do it automatically. Use file system labels. FSTab, we don't need to do that. By default it says disable automatic login, which is good. Disable automatic login to console, which is good. Run pre-install scripts listed below. Run post install script listed below. Okay, so fine. Or me. Some I'm sure sometimes I do not understand something. Okay, so it's going to run g-parted. Okay, let's see here. Well, no partition table. It's been a long time since I've used g-parted. EXT4 now. Is there a place here to create a boot flag or do you not need to do that? Let's go and give it a try. Sure. No, successful. Okay. Okay. Please close any running applications now. I'm assuming you don't want to close that. We can close this then. Proceed with installation. Geographic area. Time zone. Okay, so I mean they separated out the US. I feel separated out. Okay. Okay. All right, so let's say we need this is going to be locales to be generated. So we need en.us. Here we go right now. Got already checked. Next. Yep. Generic 105 key. Yeah, I'm assuming that's probably the right one. Instead of selecting a keyboard layout like every other distro, they make you choose a brand? That is weird. All right. I mean, I doubt very much you have a key crime K2 on here. That's just really weird. Even though I don't have 105 keys, I'm just going to generic 104 key. This is international. I don't really want international one. Weird. Okay. Default. The default compose key. Right. Logo key. It'd be the left logo key that right. We need to quick help. The compose keys also known as the multi key causes the computer to interpret the next few key strokes as a combination in order to produce a character not found on the keyboard on the text console. The compose key does not work in unicode mode. If not in unicode mode regardless of what you choose here, you can always use control period combination as a compose key. Right. Like, first of all, I mean, how many people even know what brand their keyboard is? Most people are just using a keyboard that came with their computer or they're using a laptop keyboard. Right. I mean, it's really weird. I don't that whole thing that they said, if you do not understand a setting at the beginning, you probably don't need it. I'm just going to assume that this is one of those things. Here we go. See if this works. So did I make a mistake there, Emacs? I'm not going to be able to use my keyboard because I chose a compose key. What even is a compose key? I made the assumption that it was just like a super key, but that's probably probably the wrong assumption. It seems to be installing, even though it still says 0%. Because I'm using a key crown, but that's just going to be like a 75% keyboard. It has 84 keys. It's just weird. So this is three out of five. The second one was not a success. So copy files, copy grub packages to target and install grub bootloader. Trute will open up the next term. Truted installation for custom work. Continual proceed whether or not you have installed a bootloader. If not, you will need to have another way to boot this installation. That was very eloquent, Emacs. It's different. It's not going to matter that much because it doesn't look like you chosen... I'm assuming you have to do... Yeah. Choose a location to install grub bootloader. The usual choice is to put it on the master boot record of the first hard drive. Choose NBR to install the NBR on any hard disk. Choose petition to install it to a petition. Choose no bootloader to proceed without a bootloader and choose exit to exit this program. I like 60% keyboards, but I need the arrow keys. You should change the host name and user name. Optional but not required. No. Okay, let's... You may now reboot your installation into the new system. Remember to remove your installation media. Okay, what we'll do is... Yeah, it's not great. But sending process configured and that just reloaded into the... That's not what I wanted to do at all. You don't want to shut down. We'll just shut down and use the... this way. And remove this and start up. Okay. See if that was actually... all successful. I think on the 60% if you can get used to using the different layers of keyboards you know, you're perfectly fine. But it's not something that I was ever able to really get used to. Alright, first... Here we go. So, we have a working installer. Let's do... Oh, the mirrors are slow. Is that? It really does. Okay, I didn't know that. Usually with the XFCE was at the... Is that the whisker menu? I think is what it's called? So, in the whisker menu if that's what it's called, it has a dedicated shut down button. So that's the reason why I didn't know that. But, now I know. Oh boy, those mirrors are slow. Haha. Alright, anyone who's used Devlon before is there a way to change to faster mirrors? Because I like, in Debian you can choose which mirrors you use which... I don't know if they're mirrors, but like which repo you use, I guess? That is painfully slow. All this just in stall neo fetch. I guess, while we're waiting we can go through and see what programs are installed. Accessories. So, we're gonna have a fire menu, just for like running things in a sandbox, I think. Graphical disc map. The commander is here. Okay. Hello, midnight commander. I haven't seen you in like 15 years. Alright, quick poll in the chat. Anybody you still use midnight commander as their file manager? I'm very curious. There are so many better options. I mean, VIFM is a better option. Rangers, obviously, would be my choice. NNN is not horrible. I mean not as many features, obviously, but it's pretty good. Let's see here. Midnight commander editor. Screenshot. The XFC screenshot tool. Thunar is here. Tilda. Vim. Xburn. Genie. Meld is installed by default, which is good. Graphics. What is Gigi? What is that? I mean, there's nothing wrong with midnight commander. It's just, you know, showing its tooth age a little bit. I don't know what Gigi is. It's some kind of graphical thing. Gimp is installed by default. Firefox ESR, which is not surprised. Hex chat. MUT is installed by default. I don't think I've ever seen a distribution that comes with MUT installed by default. Not a single one until now. That's awesome. I don't actually need to set that up, but that's that's cool. Okay, so transmission for Torrance and stuff. MPV is here. Audacious is here. CD Ripper is here. Abbey Word for word processing, but no LibreOffice, interestingly. Synaptics.sh is here. It's probably to install Synaptic Package Manager. Okay. All that for, and so this does read as Devwan, which is good. Beowulf is the most recent release of Devwan using 4.19 for the kernel Bash 5.0.3 This is XFC using XFWM Winner Manager. And this is the XFC for terminal. I did not know that Midnight Commander had SAMBA built in. I did not know that. Yeah. Okay, so I take back everything bad I ever said about Midnight Commander. I'm sorry Midnight Commander. I'm going to have to go use you now because I use SAMBA all the time, but I didn't have to go use the graphical file interface or graphical Agui file manager. So in terms of applications installed, not a ton of stuff here, but some really interesting new things that you don't see everywhere. So like the Midnight Commander is not something you see installed all the time. Yeah. I haven't been checking the so we could do so yeah, 3.25 is not bad. Not bad at all. Even though we already did this. Usually in the disreviews, I actually do this, but I haven't been doing that. So yeah, in terms of resources Moibuano, right? But it was another good example of something that you just don't see installed all the time. So GFTP is for P install. Another thing you don't see install all that much. So that is really cool. Now obviously if you're going to run this you're not going to have system D installed. So you're going to have to use something else. And I'm not sure what this uses instead. Does anybody know what Devon uses instead? Is this run it or one of the open and it ones? I can never remember because I think Devon actually let you choose, but this one did not So let's see here. So you can download it, use it, copy it, blah blah blah. So what are you using instead? It doesn't say what it uses. It does say this is meant to be run as a live medium as well. So it's interesting because it doesn't really matter. But that's interesting. So you wouldn't, like I said, you wouldn't have system D. But so if you're one of those people who are against system D, so it's open RC. We'll try that. RC. Nope. Command not found. I'll be completely honest. I've never actually used anything that doesn't use system D because I've never had a problem with system D. To me, system D just works. Is it bloated? Maybe. But what do I care? I use bloated stuff all the time. All right, so I'm actually, like I said, this is not a bad little distro. Do you gotta run it as root? Well, I'm going to go ahead and abandon the Debian based distros now. We're going to go ahead and move to an arch based distro. 90 megabytes. What desktop environment do you use, Torsten? Or do you use a window manager? I have no clue what I'm at when I start up, but I have a ton of stuff that starts up in the background. I have Dropbox and Skype opens up for whatever reason and it will not stop opening up. Skype is like the devil of everything. But you have to have installed because I put new podcasts with it. All right, so the next one we're going to be doing is Reborn OS. Now, this is the one that took forever to install or to download, I mean. So this is going to be Arch, I believe. Alphabetical order, Matt. Get it out of your head. Herbsloft, okay. I'm 32-bit Void. Void is another one that I've never tried before. All right, let's see here. Do, do, do, do. We'll go look at what this is here in just a second. So let's... Okay, so we can get rid of Refract. So this is Reborn OS. Over 10 desktops. More than 30 optional features. Worldwide mirrors made for you, made with you. Easy graphical solutions. This is one that I'd never heard of before, so it'll be interesting to see. So it offers KDE, GNOME, Deepin, Budgie, Cinnamon, Mate, Openbox, i3, XFC, Enlightenment, and AlexCute. Or no desktop at all. Well, which one do you think we should choose? We're going to find out if that's all in the live CD, because I don't remember. Because I downloaded from here, just using SourceForge. So I will say that this website reminds me of a flash site so much. Like, it looks like it uses flash. I mean, it just really, really does. All right. Let's look at Reborn OS on DistroWatch. So I want to make sure. Here we go. Yep. It says Arch. It says desktop GNOME, but it says it offers 10. Reborn OS is a desktop-oriented Linux distribution based on Arch Linux. Although the Reborn OS live image provides a GNOME desktop only, the installation process offers a choice to install one of many popular desktop environments and window managers. Other interesting features of the distribution support for flat pack packages, optional installer of Antbox for running Android applications, a compatibility to roll back the system to a previous state, and graphical system configuration and maintenance tools. Now guys, we're going to find out here, Emax. We're going to find out. I think we've learned enough about this. Let's just jump in. I mean, come on. You only live once. YOLO. Here we go. Distro number four. I've been now streaming already for an hour and a half. And I still have one to go. I don't know if I'm going to get to that last one. Time flies when you're having fun. So that was the Arch selector. Okay. So the beginning of that reminded me a lot of Arco and Endeavor and pretty much every Arch installer ever. So we're going to get to see what this uses to install stuff as probably Calamaris. I would guess that it's another Calamaris installer. We're stuck on a gray screen. We do have a cursor though. So that's a thing. Well, is it installing flash in the background, maybe? Is that the reason why it's taking so long? Is this another situation where the panel's hidden on me? That'd be funny. Two in a row. Or two out of five have the panel hidden, but no. That would have been funny. This is almost like watching grass grow. Except for, you know, less interesting. Let's see if this is a full screen problem. Yep. It was a full screen problem. So this is GNOME 40. Screenlock disabled. Screenlocking requires the GNOME display manager. Okay. A frozen system. We'll get out of this again. Every time I get out, you know what, fine. We won't use full screen. We'll just use this. Still still frozen. Okay. That's a fail. Let me try it. Click anything. That's because it's not grabbing the keyboard. Well, you want to want one in doubt. Power off the machine and try, try again. Reborn OS. I did click on try it. It did nothing. Like, I realized that there's points where I'm just kind of dumb. But that one there was kind of obvious. But it did nothing. It's going to show up this time right away. I'm not going to have to get out of full screen. This has something to do with virtual box. No clicking. It is catching the mouse because the mouse cursor changed. Well, reborn. Interesting. I mean, I don't. Alright. Last thing I can try. Sometimes it does not like this SVGA one and you have to use VGA. This will be the last thing I will try. Then we'll just move on to the next one. Okay, install it. That was the problem. And it does not do a very good job of fitting everything to the screen. But that's okay. So in terms of what installer is is this the this is the this is the installer that came with antergos. I mean, this is anybody who's tried antergos remembers like I don't know how it's pronounced, but it's cinchi c n c h i So, yeah. Excuse me. Alright, for best results please ensure this computer has at least 8 gigabytes of available storage is plugged into a power source is connected to the internet. Installers update and there's no temporary packaging issues that would interfere with this last one here. New users have no clue what that means. Okay, so select your country or area. So we're going to choose English US Okay, that's good enough English US that the installer does not fit to this screen. Okay, so here's the choices. Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepen, you know, i3, KDE, LXCute, Mate, Openbox, Pantheon and XFCE. Well, you want to know what? We're using Pantheon. I haven't used the elementary OS desktop environment in ages. Okay, so add accessibility packages. We don't need to do that. Applications to perform system maintenance. Common applications to perform system maintenance on okay, well, we'll install those, but our user AUR support, of course, Chromey web browser. I'm not going to choose anything else here. I'm just going to go ahead and let it choose whatever is by default. Um, because I'm very curious to see what they installed by default. So there's going to do the LTS version of the kernel by default. Uh, I had to say that I prefer the Arco Linux way of doing things, because this is just a long list of stuff. So, I'm going to go ahead and yep. It was recommended that you use an additional cash cash. This installer needs to download a ton of packages from the internet. Sure. Yes. And crash. Ha, ha, ha. Oh, okay. Well, you want to re-born west? You had your chance. I'm done with you. Okay. We're not doing that again. Goodbye. So that one where was a complete fail. Last one. So this one here is going to be... So we can close this one here and close this one here and close this one here. So this is OpenMendriva. OpenMendriva is a unique and independent distribution and a direct descent of Mendriva Linux. So this one here is going to be interesting because I don't know anything about it. Not a damn thing. So let's go and see what DistroWatch has to say about it. Oh. Can't type. It's not the right one. Here we go. It's probably not the right one, but it's okay. The OpenMendriva distribution is a full featured Linux desktop and server sponsored by the OpenMendriva association which is based on Rosa or Russian Linux distribution project which forked Mendriva Linux in 2012 incorporating many of Mendriva's original tools and utilities and adding in-house enhancements. The goal of OpenMendriva is to facilitate the creation, improvement, promotion and distribution of free and open source software in general and OpenMendriva projects in particular. So this is going to be something like Fedora, right? We're going to find out. Let's jump in! I'm going to make sure I can spell the right thing right. Okay. Yep, let's see. VirtualBox, you're awesome. There we go. Okay, so we're going to choose some RAM here and this is going to be the last VirtualBox I set up today. I'm so happy about that. Way too much. That's good. Okay, here we go. Last one. I should have done this all beforehand, but it would have been this is much more entertaining. Okay, last one. Add OpenMendriva. This is the KDE Plasma version. Choose Here we go. Start OpenMendriva Live mode. Yeah, I did a video on Solus not too long ago, Rafael. It's a good distribution with really bad package management. But not even the package manager is just mostly really bad repos because I don't have a ton of software. Don't know if you could hear that, but it had a very entertaining opening tune. Okay, so here we go. My first links distribution when I changed to Linux full time was actually Solus. It was 2017 issue is when Ike was still there. So OpenMendriva is an exciting free desktop operating system that aims to cater to an interest first time and advanced users alike. Okay, what we're going to do next. So this is going to be the open. I don't think I'm going to need to actually go through this. At least not right now. Let's go ahead and install the thing first. So what install are we going to say? Oh, here we go. This is our first calamaris of the night. We know how to use this one. This has a keyboard model too. Maybe it's just always there and I've never realized it. Probably is just always there and I just never realize that they have a selector for the brand of piece or keyboard that you have. So we don't need a swamp. We'll just go ahead and next and a strong and complicated password and because DT always says use a strong and complicated password. Next install. Install now. Here we go. So this is going to be on EXT4 so nothing special about the file system it uses. Let me see how long this takes. I like Solus Tutor. I just don't care for the fact that it doesn't have very much in terms of software to install. The third part of the software repository that does have is slow. I mean it's just so slow. So that's the thing that you're really going to have to know if you're going to use Solus. So I moved from Solus to I don't even remember. I'm pretty sure I went to Antrigos because back then ARCO hadn't been released yet. So Antrigos was like the arch installer for people who didn't want to or know how to install Arch. And everybody knows what DT's password is so nobody really knows what mine is. Oh it'd be really easy to guess. I like really easy to guess. So we were just creating. Yeah. Well I will say that they didn't put a lot of slides in here like to entice us to watch the installer. I can remember installing Windows XP for the first time because I'm pretty sure Windows XP was the first Windows distribution that had like those slides for when you installed it because they were like selling Windows XP. I might be wrong about that but it was the first one that I saw. No we don't want to do that. We want to shut down. Damn Juan you guessed it. And Emacs you guessed it as well. Yes it is TLC. What are you going to do about it? So it's not so not so much of a strong and complicated password. Is that what you're trying to tell me is that TLC is not a strong and complicated password? My heart is broken. No no I'm not the first Windows distribution or just the I did call it a distribution didn't I? That's funny. Okay. I can't help it. Alright so we got KDE Plasma Open Startup times Spectacular It's the fastest we've seen all day. You still probably can't hear it because I don't have the desktop audio setup but it has a little tune in a place every time it starts up that goes on for about 15 seconds. That would be something that would drive me bonkers. Okay so we're going to show this not show this again we're going to go through this. I don't really need a confirmation of that. That's a 100% community driven association that believes in the values of free software and collaboration and whose foundation founding values are development, equality cooperation, openness, freedom group achievement, independence and solidarity. Holy moly that's a lot of values. Oh you can hear it. Cool. I didn't even realize I had that set up so I probably shouldn't play anything that will get me copyrights here. Alright so next new features and major changes. OpenMendriva codename Argon is published by OpenMendriva Association over the course of the year past we have tried to evolve the way you use your desktop. Here are some of the things that we have done to OpenMendriva. Now see this is the kind of thing that you would have expected in Installer. We have slides here like they could have done that. You can configure your desktop to look like any other system you may be used to. Okay so I mean this is just a kind of a thing that shows you the thing that you can do with your system using we'll test the kernel here in a minute. Next. OpenMendriva brand name applications and features. OpenMendriva repo repo picker. So this is going to be to enable some extraneous repos update channel oh cool so you can choose whether or not to be I'm assuming rock is going to be like like a rock rolling would obviously be rolling I'm wondering what a cooker would probably be like uber leading edge I wish I would give you an explanation of what those were restricted unsupported and non free repository so that's cool desktop presets hmm ok so we're going to try some of these so this is the this is what the open mendriva one looks like so we're going to try Ubuntu apply the preset depends on additional packages to be installed depending on your system configuration you may now be asked to enter your root password ok I always like distributions that give you options for different layouts and stuff um it's one of the things that I really liked about mate for the longest time because uh mate gives you like several different layouts that you can choose from rock is the Dwayne Johnson distro hahaha um yeah I'm sorry mendriva but that doesn't look anything like uh ubuntu so it's for one thing your panels here are overlapping do you wish to log out oh you want it's going to ask you to log out I bet you it looks better once done logged out well this has definitely been my longest stream to date don't know why I decided to do five I was going to do four but you know what the hell so I'm not going to choose all of those no it still has it overlapping we just wanted to hear the tune again um alright so that was in ubuntu we're probably going to look you know like you'd expect them to look so we're going to try this one can't say I was impressed with the ubuntu one because like I said you got your panels overlapping up there we still spent time on it though emax um so this is a little bit better where here's there we go there's plank I bet you that is plank too maybe latte doc yep latte doc sure we can log out now it shouldn't do anything we'll just keep this one for now the other ones are going to be just like windows or plasma here we go now that I'm then playing around with the aesthetics we can actually see what's installed here nice tune it just so long okay so Fred we have uh very well organized mathematics kcalc library office math uh let's see and then I I mean that seems to be redundant a bit digicam when veal creta is here library office draw, ocular show photo scanlight for scanning internet feedreader for aggregator falcon web browser and no kd or no firefox I mean they did say they were going to go all free but firefox has some proprietary stuff in it maybe does it like I have some proprietary bobs or something that they're trying to get away from falcon is an interesting choice not something that I would have guessed that they would be using uh let's see here kd connect is installed k get k mail conversation those are all the k I mean all the kd stuff here Eliza is also the kde music player I believe it's done by the same people Komoso for the camera Kaden live is installed by default k wave sound editor a simple screen recorder is also here SM player and vlc I'm not exactly sure why you need SM player and vlc installed both of them it doesn't okay LibreOffice is here desktop preset kvantem is installed by default open memory of a control center so this is the thing that we saw at the beginning um configure keyboard configure touchpad audio volume bluetooth uh connections user groups service management configure time I mean this is a cool welcome app but I mean version 1.0 yeah I know falcon doesn't have java support I don't think like at all um so that's gonna render like most of the web completely unusable I might be wrong about that though I'm not actually sure uh utilities arc the emoji selector firelight calc came out import and nothing here I mean latte doc we just installed a you want this is the second one we have midnight commander installed by default so that is not two distros that mc installed by default that's very interesting um yeah so that's let's go ahead and open ourselves a terminal probably console right yep so so here's the question what's the package manager on open mandrava so is it going to be dnf nope oh sudo yep it is dnf yep it does have javascript it's just that google cut out binary browser okay okay so yo fat so run that again so it actually shows up so we got open and driva got their nice logo here we got the kernel 5.10 bash 5.1.4 is running plasma version 5.20 so not quite the latest version of plasma but it's not like the oldest thing you've ever seen uh and this is uh let's see what we're doing in terms of so we got 713 megs used as basically started up a minute we've opened up some stuff so some of that's probably going to be um some of it's going to be the stuff that we opened up well so it uses the rpm or the dnf stuff for install but it's not based on fedora or any of that kind of stuff it's supposed to be completely independent right so that's interesting oh that's possible um I'm not going to bother doing the updates though it doesn't really matter that much did we see discover I think we saw discover didn't we system yeah discover's here yay discover's here one of all the graphical software stores discovers my least favorite uh it's just not well done at all I mean I know they've tried really hard and it's way better than it used to be but it's still not great the gnom for I mean you guys know that I don't have you know the greatest opinion of gnom but the gnom software store is way better than than discover that's just for sure um so let's see here I'm just curious so there are a lot of linux updates here a lot of libraries and stuff uh I'm not sure if discover would actually show the rpm stuff is getting an update as well system d just check there's an update for the kernel plasma was it dnf I can never remember would dnf I don't use it that often enough to know um probably could just ask alright emacs how do you update a dnf base system I don't actually remember it's probably just simple right it's just dnf see I knew that I didn't know that I figured it was probably simple yeah we go up to 5.11 so yeah you get a kernel update we'll just go ahead and do the a lot of updates there the mirrors can be fairly fast as well which is good um yeah updates on live camera that's the way I started out the stream that might be the should be the way I end the stream as well just in time for the gatorade to be gone I'm really impressed with the speed of this actually um the layouts weren't all that great I mean in terms of like that ubuntu layout that was not impressive the macOS one is just I mean it's here and they did install the icons yeah it seems really good uh if you're interested in like a distribution that has a lot of different ways of controlling like how you install or how you get updates and stuff so like you can choose different uh like paths like that rock and the rolling and stuff that seems like a really neat way of doing things because normally when you open suzer for example you know they have a rolling and a stable you know path but you choose that at download time this here seems like you can choose to go back and forth it's kind of like installing the Debian stable or whatever and installing the back port stuff to kind of get the less stable stuff uh it's really interesting it's definitely something that I would be interesting in checking out again because they have other downloads as well yeah I know I always judge the themes based on uh what comes pre-installed and you can change it as much as you want but so like I tried not to mention the they've want the last dev one one that actually worked like that XSE theme was atrocious but I didn't want to mention it because like you can change that stuff right it's just this in this case they actually went out of their way to do some theming and it's not necessarily the most successful thing in the world the mac one is okay um you can choose you can change between leap and tumbleweed like after you've installed I didn't know that I'm not a big I haven't used open season in ages so um anyway so we can just do do a reboot here and then we can check and see if it updated the KDE stuff and then I'm going to be done because this was a long ass stream nice tune this is really long right it just keeps going on going um okay so according to this it did not change the version of plasma at all that's interesting about the open season stuff uh so installing then actually change the version of plasma but and it didn't actually change the amount of memory we're using so we didn't actually have a whole bunch of memory stuff before so that's good all right I'm done thanks everybody for watching I mean this was a marathon in terms of installing stuff over and over again and there were updates and there was failures along the way and there were some successes which is about the way these streams usually go so uh again thank you everybody for watching I'd like to take a moment to thank our patrons Devon, Marcus, Meglin, Donnie, Sven, Merrick, Camp Mitchell, thanks everybody for your support these last few months it's just been amazing I mean I'm still constantly shocked that anybody actually sits around and watches me do this stuff so uh thanks everybody for watching uh thanks everybody for persisting see this is why I gotta stop I can't talk anymore thank you everybody for participating in the chat participation that's where I gotta end so thanks everybody for watching I'll see you next time