 These aren't God made animals. These are human made animals. This is nothing from God. This is something humans have created for our greed. Have you seen this before, bro? Do you know what this is? Yeah. We're trying to get people to stop eating animals and using animals, especially around this time of year. What do you think about that? I'm not saying that we can stop eating animals, to be honest. You don't say that? No, no. But the way that they slaughter them is the way that I don't think it's good to know. You think that the way they slaughter them is bad? But it's not bad that they slaughter them? That's what I think is life. That's life? Do you think we can live without slaughtering animals? Really? What makes you say that? Because I think from when human beings have been there, they're eating animals. So I don't think that they can change it from now. Because it's something habits from like, centuries. Oh, so you mean more like they have a habit, so they can't change that habit? But I mean, do you think physically we can live without slaughtering animals? But I think what you want them to eat like carrots and broccoli and that kind of thing. Like what are we going to eat? Well, we can eat. There's like thousands of plant foods to eat. There's only like a dozen animal products. There's thousands of plant foods and we can get our protein and nutrients from plants and with a B12 supplement, I've been vegan for seven years. So you've got whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds and fruits and vegetables. And we can, I don't know if you want some food, but we're giving out no turkey-turkey sandwiches. So it's meat made out of wheat, like satan. Yeah, I know. I know what you mean. You can make meat out of peas. So yeah, you can still have a burger. It's made out of peas. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. I know you're talking. I know what you're feeling of it. So I'm not having only a conversation because I know your way. I know what I'm talking about. Oh really? That's like, it's like something, you know, like it's a good way to express your things. It's good that you're putting different videos. So it's like, I'm not like against vegan, don't eat vegan. I'm not the same thing, I'm against like, don't eat animals. Yeah, so you're not against this. You support this, what you see on the screens? No, not the same way, because I'm a Muslim. So the things are how they slaughter the things. We have like, we have like a rule that's slaughtered. Yeah, I know all about it. Yeah, so we have like- I have many discussions with Muslims about this topic. Yeah, so because I know how like there's a rule that you need to slaughter the animals. Okay, yeah. Not the same as this. Where do you get your meat from? The butcher? Oh yes. Okay. And you follow the animal down the line? You know where the farm, what farm the animal come from? You trust the butcher? No, now it is, yes. Okay. Because like, we get the meat from them. Because like- Okay. And I'm not like in the city. So if you're like in- Suburb, like- Yeah, something like this. I would get my sheep and I would slaughter them. Because now it's in the city, that's the thing. Okay, yeah, yeah. Where do you get your halal meat from? So you're out now, what do you eat? You go to a subway? No, no, any place. Any place that serves halal meat? Yeah. And it just says halal and you trust them? Yes. Because most of them say halal and they have the certificate there. Okay. And how do they slaughter halal animals in the UK? What I know is the same thing for the timbula and then they say Bismillah and they cut it. That's the thing. Okay. Do you think they stun halal animals here? Like with the stunning Tabas? You know that shock them to make them go to sleep? They put a bolt in their head? I don't think so, because that would not be... I mean, I know what you think of Halal slaughter. You think, oh, they face here, they say a prayer, they make sure the animals don't see each other and they slash their throat, yeah? Yeah. You think they do that here in the UK? That's what they need to do and that's what the Islamic Association tries to do. And where do the animals come from? They've come from factory farms. The chickens and the... Yeah. Yeah, they come from factory farms. Yeah, and suffering is haram, yeah? If animal suffers, it's haram, yeah? Yes. Okay, you don't think they're suffering in the factory farms before they're halal slaughtered? I don't have that kind of idea there, I don't have any image. I want to know what you think about the... If suffering is haram, do you think these animals that you eat are suffering? I mean, I know you don't know they're suffering because you just trust, you just like, oh, it's got this magical word on it. I trust there's no suffering. No, no, no. So, I'm not talking about the point, at least there's a... Because we're human beings, so we're human beings make some mistakes. I don't think that everyone who sells halal meats like they don't suffer the animals, or everyone doesn't suffer the animals. I'll say to you, they all suffer. Yeah, it depends. They all suffer. Yeah, it depends on the humans what they, what they're going to do. They all suffer. Even when you slush an animal's throat open, they choke on their own blood and they're scared. You see an animal when they're about to die? Have you seen a cow get their throat slushed? Traditional... I've made it already. You've done it yourself? Yeah. Okay, do you think that animal suffered? Would you kill a cow or a lamb? Both. You've killed them both? And that animal, did they suffer? I know, but like, I need to eat them. That's the thing. Yeah, but brother, I just want to know, like, if they suffered? Yeah, they suffered. Yeah, because they choke on their blood and they take them a while to die and stop kicking, yeah? So that's the thing. That's haram? I don't know, wait, but when you do this thing, you take out the blood from the body. So like, the disease goes out. That's the wisdom from the, from the thingy. Why, why, why, why you made the blood goes out first? Well, I don't, I'm not talking about the health side of it. I'm talking about the, the, the suffering. Yeah, I'm talking about why they're doing this. They're making sure they don't seed each other so they don't know they're about to be killed, yeah? But, but they don't do that in the, in the West here when you eat halal meat. I mean, I've seen what you're talking about, you know? It's like now, if you bring like, if you have five sheep, zero, five cows, you don't kill them in the same place. You take the four out and you bring one. I've seen it. Traditional halal slaughter, yeah, yeah. They don't, I mean, here you're getting your halal meat from factories. See, I see, I came, I came from Saudi Arabia. So I'm just, I'm the student here. So I don't know the thing that you, because you're living here more than me. Well, I know a little bit about the halal slaughter guidelines here. They're not too much different. I mean, there's a little bit, maybe, you know, but they're still stunning the animals, a lot of them, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, because I came from that, that back there, back there, so I don't know how it's there. You assume that it's like it is over there? Yeah, that's the thing. Okay, but. You know, you know more than me as you're living here. Well, I just want to tell you, vegan is always halal. Yeah, I know. It's always halal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. And you know, you don't have to trust the butcher. You know, vegan is always halal. Yeah, but. Because plants don't suffer. There's no halal slaughter of carrots. Yes, I know. Yeah. But like, I'm not into that kind of, I eat vegetables, but don't give me, like, you know, like a bowl of salad, I don't eat a bowl of salad. No, no, we're having no turkey rolls here. It's meat. No, no, no, no. It's meat, it's meat. It's made of plants, so. I know what you're talking about. Like, for me, when I hear it, I say, no, no, I'm having a meat. Yeah, but. Like, it's like, it's something which I don't. You prefer to chop off an animal's head than have the plants. You know what I mean? Like, your preference is the meat, but you know there's an animal having their head chopped off with it. But that's what I said it's like. It's not life. It doesn't have to be life, anyway. And now, like, I want to know, like, do you eat fish? Yes. You know, fish suffer. And there's no halal slaughter of carrots or fish. That is suffer. It's every, every, every sea animal is like halal for you. Yeah, but that doesn't make sense because. Like, it's like, it does, because like there's, you don't need like to chop it or do something. They just suffocate. They taunt out the ocean and they suffer and die. They suffer longer. Yeah, I'm saying they suffer more. In seafood, suffer's more. Fish suffer more. So, in the, in the Quran, they ripped out that long ago. They didn't think fish suffer back then. Now we've got science. We know fish suffer. So that's haram. But like, that's if you want to eat. Well, you, ah, dude, but you've got choice. What's more halal? Eating plants or cutting an animal's head off or making fish suffer? But if you talk about this thing, it's like, it's, it's plants. Okay. I'm talking about that kind of. Right now, right now, I'm saying right here, it's more halal to eat plants. And also like the dairy industry, I don't know if you eat cheese and milk from a car. Okay. Do they kill them in the halal way? You know, they kill all those animals. For cheese? Yeah. When they don't produce milk anymore, they kill them and send them to make McDonald's out of their bodies, turn them into burgers. Yeah. So do you think Nestlord had halal when you buy milk? They're suffering in the dairy industry because they take their calves away from them? That's not, that's not halal. That's haram. Yeah. It's suffering. It's suffering. That's what I'm saying. When you can avoid this, you know, it's still be a good Muslim. There's a lot, I know a lot of vegan Muslims. You know, I'm saying like, believe in God, practice your religion. Even, I eat these kind of things. I don't say I'll eat, but I cannot say like, take this, take the meats off and just like, let us eat vegan. You know, like, I eat like the falafel wrap, the vegan burger and eat these kind of things. I'm not saying I'm against that kind of things. I eat them, but don't say to me, leave the meat and eat, only continue. Well, I'm just saying if you're against suffering in animal cruelty, then you should. You should, you morally should. And if you care about what's halal, I mean, you're just saying, oh, it's halal, I've got a free ticket out. No, I'm telling you that you're eating haram food. It's all suffering. But like even in the Quran, it's written that we made animals, that certain kind of animals to eat so you can live. But you don't need them to live. So now you're doing something that's unnecessary. It's needless. You're killing needlessly. I mean, I don't know if that's good in the eyes of God. I mean, okay, you have to survive, maybe. That's fine, you've got to survive. You're going to kill me to survive. I could understand. Now it's needless, cruelty and suffering. Yeah, I know that what you're talking about and even I cannot answer what you're talking about. So it's like, you're like one point ahead of me. I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just trying to speak from the animals here. They're suffering. It's obvious. What are you talking to me? It's obvious. Yeah, it's obvious. And in your heart. It's like halas, you have that kind of thing slowly. See, I don't see that stop animals. See that chicken, there's like, see that 10 million chickens have been started every day. See, as I don't, let us make it. 850 million a year in the UK alone. Yeah, I'm saying let's make it 200 million a year. It's about 50 billion worldwide chickens. You know how many fish? 3 trillion, 2 between 1 and 3 trillion marine animals. You know how much suffering that is? That's a lot of suffering. Yeah, I know. I'm not talking about numbers. I'm taking like 30, as you said, 3 trillions of fish. Don't start at 3 trillions. Start at like 1 billion. It doesn't matter in the eyes of God. You make one animal suffer, that's haram. It doesn't matter. One, you don't need to, you know? I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I know what you're saying even because I'm feeling what you're saying. Yeah. And in your heart, you believe God created us all, yeah? With compassion and conscience. You know right from wrong. It doesn't matter what's written in a book that God didn't write. If you believe God created us, when you look at this cruelty, when you look at this suffering, when you see an animal get their throat slashed open and they're struggling and they're scared, what does your heart tell you? And that's God talking to you. This isn't right. You don't need to do this. Now, you can justify it to yourself if you had to. If you're in a survival situation in the eyes of God, you did what you had to do. But when you don't need to do it, can you really justify that? You know right now you can be vegan here in the UK. You know that. And you can still be a Muslim. It's not haram to be vegan. It's halal. It's more halal. I eat vegan. Yeah, yeah. I eat these kinds of things. But you still choose to be cruel to the animals. And you know now, and your conscience and your heart, when you leave here today, you know when you buy that meat, animals suffered and died. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I can give you this. You're right what you're talking about. The suffering thing. It's like you're talking about something that I didn't think of. You took the religion and you took it all hook, line and sink without analysing things. I'm not saying God doesn't exist or whatever. You know, that's not for me to tell you. You know, it's like I'm talking when I say that, ah, they're suffering things. That's life. That's what they made for me. That's what I was thinking about. Now, these animals are not even made by God. These are selectively bred animals made by humans. They don't exist in the wild. These aren't God made animals. These are human made animals. This is nothing from God. This is something humans have created for our greed. That's haram. You go to a slaughterhouse. That's haram. There's blood and suffering and scared animals everywhere. That's from the devil. I don't know if you believe in the devil, if Muslims believe in the devil, but that's got nothing to do with God, what you see in a slaughterhouse. They're scared, terrified, infant animals and they don't want to die. And if you think covering their eyes and slashing a sharp knife across their throat somehow makes it better or absolves you from what you're doing to this animal, it doesn't. If anything, it's worse because you're trying to stop the suffering but you're cutting off their head. So you think, okay, they don't deserve to suffer. You know, they don't deserve to suffer. So we're going to try to do this as good as possible. If they don't deserve to suffer, let them live. Leave them alone. That's what's more consistent with God and with your religion, I feel. And I don't know much about Muhammad or whatever, but I could probably guess that if there was a way to live without slaughtering billions of animals causing, he would choose that way because maybe he's more smart, logical. Maybe God is intelligent. This is like the most unintelligent cruel thing we do. I can see that that thing wasn't there back then. No. Vegan. I thought it was the vegan thing. No. We have technology now. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I cannot talk because that's what you do. Was your mobile phone in the Quran? You still use it. Your mobile phone technology, you know, you can progress with society as a Muslim. So you can progress now with eating plant-based foods. I mean, I'm going to give you a little thing here. If you scan this, this will give you a little Christmas download packet. We'll show you all the good vegan stuff is at Christmas time. There's something called Challenge 22. They help you be vegan. The January is another good one. If you want some food, man, we're handing out food as well. All right. I can tell you're ticking over, man. You're smart. You're not, you know. I had a good conversation. Yeah. That's why I was standing here. I was waiting just for a conversation. Yeah. That was like a peace conversation, like a grown man's conversation. Yeah. But not like... It's honest, man. We're honest with each other, you know what I mean? It's like the thing, you know, I'm good, I mean, you're right and I'm right. That's what I'm... That's what I liked from you. Yeah. You were like, you were hearing me and I was hearing you. Yeah. That's good. So have a good conversation. Bless you, mate. Take care. This is me in a turkey farm in the UK the other night, not long ago. They peck each other in there. I would have asked them people to be vegan so they stopped paying for animals to be tortured and killed. We think animals deserve respect and they don't deserve to be killed for a five-minute meal that we forget about, you know. We don't need to eat meat to survive or be healthy. So we decided promoting compassion to animals and, you know, this is filmed in the UK. We're focusing on turkeys because it's Christmas. But we also think that we shouldn't be eating any other animals or using other animals, you know, exploiting them for their skin. Just that we think they feel pain, suffer. We don't need to kill them anymore. We're not trying to survive or anything anymore. And yeah. Yeah, they use the slaves. Yeah, it's unnecessary, needless. So like, I don't know, you guys live here? You guys live in the UK? Yeah. Yeah, so most of the animals here are factory farmed. 95% of the chickens are over 90% of the pigs. I don't know, you should probably don't eat pigs yourself. Yeah, you Muslim? Yeah. Muslim? Yeah, so like the, you know, the lambs and the cows and the dairy cows, they will go to the slaughterhouse, obviously. And yeah, well, to be honest, we've actually stopped eating chicken like, we've not stopped eating our meats, but chicken is one thing that we have stopped on. And that's because of, like, my dad's saying that it's just always injected and stuff like that. So even though you're getting the burgers and whatnot, it's not the actual chicken. It's like all filled with chemicals and stuff. And we believe, like, that's what's actually causing cancer and stuff like that. So it could be because there was no such thing as cancer years ago and all that. And now everyone's getting all these illnesses and it's like, it's probably from, like, all these meats that have been injected to, like, making more, you know... Well, it could be. There's a lot of hormones, I mean, yeah, and dairies full of hormones and things like this. I think, you know, I mean, like, what's eating animals, using animals, is harming us on a health level. There's cholesterol that clogs our arteries as well. And cholesterol is only found in animal products. Gas chain. That's a gas chamber, yeah. Yeah, the main way they kill turkeys is in the gas chamber. The main way they kill most of the egg laying hens, so, you know, when they lay eggs and when their egg production declines, they go to a gas chamber as well. Is that like a load? Yeah. Well, they treat birds like products, you know what I mean? So, like, I don't know if you guys eat turkeys at Christmas time or anything. You probably don't celebrate, don't celebrate Christmas anyway. Yeah, but like, you know... Yeah. Now, the dairy industry's horrible too, so the cheese and milk from the cow, like, they forcibly impregnate the cow and then they take her calves away, like, when they're born, because they don't want the calf drinking the milk. And then, if they're born a boy, they don't use the boys in the dairy industry, they can shoot them in the head on the farm. And then, year after year, they're being forcibly impregnated to have their calf taken. And then, when their milk production gets lower and lower and lower, they kill the mother as well. So, in the slaughterhouse, bolt gun, head cut off. And... Do you eat your stuff, mate? Yeah. Yeah, so we just have soya milk or oat milk or rice milk. I've just realised you've got vegan on your neck. Yeah, I've been vegan seven years. Oh, wow. So, you're being vegan. You can be a Muslim vegan. Being vegan is halal. I mean, it's the only true halal. Do you eat halal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's no suffering. Yeah. No, plants can't suffer. There's no halal slaughter for carrots. Just like beans and all that stuff. Whole grains, beans, legumes. Lentils and all that stuff. Lentils and fruits and vegetables are the most nutrient-dense foods on earth. I mean... Yeah. Yeah. There's no nutrients in a steak. I mean, what's in a steak? A bit of protein, a blood, iron. You know, you can get all this from... The animal eats the plants to get the nutrients anyway. You know? Cut out the middle, man. Yeah. But I always say like... You know, they say like cutting the animals' throat, you know, in this way for halal slaughter. Like, they still suffer. They choke on their blood. They get scared. Even if they can't see each other when they're being slaughtered. They feel the knife. They can't breathe. There's that fear. There's that suffering. There's nerves all in your neck. So, if you can avoid that and just eat plants, why wouldn't you? I mean, it's more... It's definitely no suffering in the plants. And a lot of Muslims don't follow the animal all the way down from the farm to the butcher. They trust the butcher. The butcher says it's halal. I trust them. In the UK, halal standards are much different. So, they stun the animals and most of the animals here are factory farms. So, if suffering's haram, there's suffering in factory farms no matter what. And the dairy industry is always suffering because you're taking the calves away from the mother. She suffers when she loses her babies. She suffers when she's, you know, constantly being forced to be pregnant and being milked every single day, three times a day. She suffers when she's afraid in the slaughterhouse before they die. They don't know what's going on. They smell the blood and fear. You can't avoid suffering when you're eating animal products. You just can't. And now, like, nowadays, we don't have to do it. It's needless. So, it makes it even worse. We're needlessly slaughtering animals. So, like, we've not got no other options. Yeah, yeah. I mean, no other option to understand. Okay, you've got to mitigate the suffering. So, you try to make sure they're not scared and you try to do it quick. Yeah. Okay, but you don't have to do that. I mean, if I had to kill one of you guys in some situation, I'd want it to be quick and painless. But I don't, right now, we don't have to do it. So, it's like, kind of like, why are we doing it for us? So, yeah. Let me give you some information here. So, this is a little guide. These are some documentaries. This is what happens to animals in the UK. And then we've got, like, how? Find vegan restaurants near you. These places usually have good vegan options and what to swap meat and dairy with. And then on the front here, free help going vegan, challenge 22. It's all free, like, and this here is a little revamp your Christmas. So, like, all vegan Christmas little meals and that. You don't celebrate Christmas, but it shows you, like, where all good vegan stuff is, anyway. So, yeah, I'll thank you very much. Yeah. It's like, I like that, I think. It makes a difference if you think about these things. Like, I've been born, you know, you meet and stuff like that. It's just an honor for me. So, as I, I ate meat for 26 years as well, you know. You're eating someone. Someone who had a personality that didn't want to die. I mean, it's just so needless now. And UK is a really easy place to be vegan. Yeah. Well, good luck, guys. Nice talking to you. Take care, bye-bye.