 Fyn cwyl draw ti'r Ysgrifennu Gwylfaenidolol yn uchaf i'r dwylo'r ysgolod Cymru, oedd cyfnodol sy'n i'r cymhiliad cyffredig yn cael 13,241 Nwyg Nygiriaid ar y rhan. Gwylolio'r cyfnodol yn sylweddol i'r llun o'r cyd-fynnol stdfannaeth, os ymlaen chi'r bywb iawn o ddau i'r rhan. Rwy'n dweud â'r cyfnodol ysgolod Ngyr pleinidol iawn ei ysgrifennu ar gyfer passengersau, ac mae'n selgau cysylltu'r perlau sydd y ffordd o'i llif yn ddechreu. Rydyn ni i'n gwrs hynny i'r cy乣fyrdd, yn bêl iawn o'r flasgol i'r cywlir CYPL am y cifdedd. Thank you I have been delighted to be with me today. Good evening. I'm happy to be here one more time on your platform. So, last time you and I were having a conversation and last time you were here, we were talking about the NSARS issue. And now, we're talking about police brutality yng Nghymru yn gweithio, ac mae'r ddigon iawn ymdweithio yw, yn gweithio, yn gweithio, mae ymdweithio'r gweithio'n dweud yn ddaligon ond, a dyna, mae gennym y ddweud i ddechrau'r ddaeth yn ddweud i ddweud i ddweudio, mae'n ddweud i ddweud i ddweud, neu nad yna yn ddweud i ddweud o ddweud i ddweud. Ddweud? Yn mynd i ddim yn mynd i ddweud yw, Yn ystod yw'r cyffredd mor hwn ar hyn o'r cyffredd ar gyfer sydd y police? Yn ystod yw, rwy'n meddwl am ysgrifennu ychydig yw ynddo, y rhan yn ysgrifennu yw'r cyffredd yw'r cyffredd yw ymgyrchol yw ymgyrchol o'r cyffredd. Ond mae'n ddiddordeb ar gyfer sydd yn ysgrifennu yw'r cyffredd yw hyffredd, mae'n ddiddordeb a'r cyffredd yw'r cyffredd.force, ond ba wnaeth dwi'r ddiweddor ar hyn o'r ddiogelion sydd wedi'i gael sydd am gyllidol ar gyfer y pulliad ym Mhagl. Ond, mae gennym i sy'n gweld i chi fod sydd am rydym yn ei ffordd o'r pe 야� ăn o chi, ac rwy'n beth i gydigol yr hyn. Ac nid i gael yr unrhyw ffordd, dyna'i gweld i yng Nghaerffreddon. Abertaod y mae'r ddwynt yn unigol yn yourawr, lle bydd o'n gwireddion i chi yng nghymru, felly bydwg i chi'n gwirddio erwell a gael. Yn amlwg hynny, mae'n cydnw i'w meddwl yn cyfnod, yw'r meddwl sy'n meddwl i'w meddwl. A ydych yn rhywun i'w meddwl, ond rydych yn meddwl ac ydych yn ymgyrch. Oherwydd'r meddwl o hynny, gallwn yna'r cyguardiaeth yma yn blynedd! Felly mae efallai bod rhywun i'r meddwl, mae'n meddwl. Byddwn ni yn ymgyrch meddwl, mae'n meddwl yn meddwl yn cerdigoedd prestigiousau, am fydd yw hwnnw'n meddwl oherwydd yw meddwl yn meddwl, emerging- деisgrif, carm-a-flash, uniforms, carrier attacks, so it may and may not be but the number also could be double. Now what we also know is that in countries like Bokkenafas, Omani, Niger, Chaad, yng Nghym Ndegy, parts of the CER for instance, wherever we have insorciency, wherever we have trouble that is is a llwyddo i arwag造'u amser arall gwahodau cyfnod mewn gwahodился amllun gyda gwylliannol ar y wath i'r gafod mins. Er mwyn bod y cyfrifio'r Llyfrgell Cymru yn fawr gyfrifio'r rhaglion cyfnodau cyfeirio yng Nghymru, felly a'r cyfrifio cyfryd grandes yn ei hwn fel y cyfrifio'r cyfrifio'r rhaglion cyrryngu'r cyfrifio'r rhaglion cyfrifio'r rhaglion yn mawr lleolau yma. A mae'n amlwg fel y ffordd, mae hynny yw'r cyfrannu cyfresgol ffordd o'r ffordd o'r cyfrannu cyfresgol, byddwn i'n gweithio'n ysgrifennu'r cyfresgol. Yn cyfrannu, mae'n cyfrannu, felly mae'n fydden nhw'n dechrau cael ei ffordd am y gwirio'r cyfrannu, fel bod hynny'n dechrau'n hir o'r ffordd a bobl, felly mae'n hoffi'r cyfrannu. Yn y byddwyd yma. But we also know that the government under President Mahmoud Abuhari has introduced the soldiers into the civic space, which is not supposed to be. And soldiers are not necessarily trained to police. By the way, we're still protesting against police brutality. We're talking about the rogue ensars and the number of people that were killed, people that were maimed exactly. Dyna y cyfnod rydw i'w ddweud ymlaen i ddim yn ddechrau. Felly, ydych chi ddefnyddoedd y byddwch chi yn gweithio y ffordd yn ei ffordd, ac oeddaeth ymlaen i gael rhain o'r lluniau, oedden nhw'n ddweud i ddechrau, dyma'n tynnu ychydig yn ddechrau. Yn ddweud oherwydd, mae'n ddweud gan y ddweud yn ddechrau. Yna'r rhai o'r ddigwyd. Yn ei ddweud o'r ddweud, yna'r dod o'r ddweud, ychydig ychydig yn ddweud, yr armyfod, oedd hynny yw'r aelodau, rydych chi'n rhaid i'r ffordd, rhaid i'r armyfod o'r armyfod yw teimlo. Rhywbeth ydy'r aphyfyddiadau sydd o'r cyffredin ar y cyffredin, oherwydd mae'r cyffredin yn unifol. Gweithio, mae'n ddigon i weld y rhai sydd yn ddau cyffredin yma? Yn yr argyffredin ymwybodiaeth? First of this, the population doesn't know much about fundamental human rights and freedoms, that is if they do. Wherever there is a provision, there are also limitations. What we do have is oftentimes these confrontations do occur when there are protest. When does your right hands ask for peaceful protest then, and when do you cross your boundary? Oben yw rynnwys ei bod yn rhan o bobl sy'n cyffredig. Ond o raen o'r anhygoel yna, callyfaint fyddwyd arwain, ac mae'n rhan oherwydd, mae'n rhan o'r 알adau hearloedd. Mae'r anhygoel yn roi'n bryll ar y bannu. Mae'r anhygoel yn oed i oes i'r ardullus ac yn ati'r bannu a fawr o'r mewn ar y bannu? fel rất o ran gan bannu. Rydyn ni'n ffaint gangwr hefyd. Anybody has a tendency to see that progress was being gardens by who how is that possible. You know so they need to be some sort of understanding first off. You know that adequate sharing of knowledge educating the population on what the fundamental human rights are and where the limitations also starts or ends when that happens they should be sick respect and I'm sure I'm just saying I'm just saying this a gweldio cyfnod, a gweldio arwythgwyddoedd yn y bwysig, o'r cyfnod ar gyfer y cyfnod cyfnod gyfer y cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod cyfnod, ac mae'n sgwrdd ffawr i'n ddigonwyd gan nid i ni'n tuodol, ac mae'n ddigonwyd ar Afrika, pan allwch yn yn anodd y dynol, dyma'r wychyn a'r ffordd y gweithgrin o plwy a rwyf i gynhyrch yn dweud o'r cymaint o'r ystyried cyllid yn gyllid hyn, o'r cymaint o gael gyda phobl, ac y gallwch eisiau hynny, fe oherwydd unrhyw fyddiau a'r cymaint hynny i ni, dyma'r cymaint yw'r cymaint yw fach fel y dyma ar y can 영-rhyw fath. Wel mae diolch yn yr hynny, ddim yn cymaint yna'w ddostig, sydd gennym, rwy'n gweithio, dyn nhw'n ddim yn ysgrifennu. Mae'r ddweud o'r brifau, rwy'n gweithio, ddweud o'r ffrifau. Ond ydych chi'n gweld o'r ddweud o'r cyllid, sydd ymgylchedd gyda'r cyllid, rwy'n cael eu cyfrifau. Mae'r cyfrifau wedi eu cyffredin o'r cyfrifau i gyfrifau, efallai efallai efallai gwahodd o'r cyfrifau o'r cyfrifau. Mae'n amser ar y cyfrifau, ac efallai efallai ei wneud o'r cyfrifau ac yna sydd yn ymweld i'r ddim yn dda, a ddyn nhw'n ymweld i'r ysgol yng Nghymru, ond yn dechrau, mae gennych'i amser am gweithio bryd yn ymweld i'r dweud, mae'n gyd, yw'r ddweud, yna ymweld i'r prosiection. A yna'n cael 100% a 120% prosiection o cymryd ar gyfer yr ysgol. Yn ymweld, yn ymweld i'r prosiection. Yn ymweld i'r prosiection, yn ymweld i'r prosiection, rwy'n gwneud i'r cyffredin, not trampled upon by these same police officers who are supposed to know the contents of the law. They are the law enforcers but then they are also trampled on the right of the avid Nigerian. But does the law really work in this country in terms of the fact that there are lots of things that we are allowed to hold sway that are against the law and trampled on the right of the avid Nigerian? Look, we're still looking at the issue of the people who were killed at the toll gates. The federal government, the spokesperson for the government, the information minister calls it tales by moonlight. Another minister has come out to say that that panel in its first instance was illegal. So does the law really work, even if you are very equipped and you know you're right? Do those rights hold water? Oh, this is a very big question now being put on the hot seat. OK, first of, I guess we have laws that exist to protect both the people that the government serves and those who serve us. Hassan, can you hear me? I think that we lost you there for a second, but Hassan, can you hear me if you can hear me? I think that we have a little problem. I think we lost that audio. Abdelahi, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear. We lost you for a second, but go ahead. OK, so what I was saying actually is that the laws do exist in Nigeria, but they are not there to protect an average Nigerian, you know. So you have the police policing the population, but nobody is policing the police and that's the problem. So until the police service commission, for instance, takes that job seriously of policing the police and holding them accountable for their actions, they're not going to see much changes. That's what I see. And again, you need to have people who are educated and Nigerian police officers really educated. Are they? No, let's even start with this. A couple of times I've come across police officers when driving home at night, no different checkpoints. They smell like breweries. They are drunk. And how drunk a police officer really think well and act well on duty. So there needs to be some sort of policing of the police itself. And that's why I guess that there is no much checks. It's like something that I see happening in the US. The police in the US has some sort of labour group that covers the police. So if they're going to have a police officer is going to be arraigned for something, reprimanded for something, there's always that pressure coming from that group, which is like the police service commission. But in Nigeria, that police service commission does not necessarily work. And even if they did, they would only be working in favour of the police. So who police is, I think that question I'm putting it back to you, the police service commission. Now let's not also forget the fact that welfare of these officers are a thing. The reason why we see the type of corruption, the kind of actions that we see. I mean, I have seen a police officer who was also intoxicated carrying a gun and wearing flip flops. And I wondered at 8pm, he could release that bullet on anybody and nothing would be done because we also do not have a system that works in this country. So other than education, how do we go beyond educating Nigerians to know their rights? Because it's one thing to know your rights, but it's the other thing for that right to be put into action. So other than the police service commission, how about our leaders, our legislators, our lawyers, even the NBA? What role are they supposed to play making sure that all of this becomes a thing of the past or is reduced to its barest minimum? I'm not saying that Nigeria should have the best policing in the country. We know I've been to Kenya, I've seen how Kenya police officers are. They take bribes also, but we're supposed to be the big brother on this continent. What kinds of examples are we showing? Not a good example really, not too good. But again, if the institution that was established with the sole mandate or purpose of policing the police failed to carry out its mandate or duties, then as a civil society we also have other institutions that are supposed to interface in some of these instances for us and that still goes down to the fact that we need to be educated, know some of the commissions that we do have in the country and what their mandates, responsibilities, duties and missions are. If we have this knowledge then we can by far beat the system because of course the police service commission will always protect the interests of the police. They don't want to be seen as being anything bad or violating human rights, but this is it. You have the National Human Rights Commission and I guess they have branches across the 36 states of Nigeria. We have the Public Complaints Commission. I mean just to mention this too for now and in all of them they have the legal department. If I guess people will learn to use these commissions to employ their services, this can be reduced. Now you're talking about the National Assembly, I don't. I don't see the National Assembly of Nigerially Protecting the Interest of Nigerians or no I don't because if they do. Abdelahi, I think that we're losing you but I want to say thank you quickly. Abdelahi Hassan is a journalist with WADR in Senegal. Thank you very much for speaking with us. We'll take a quick break now on plus politics and bring you the thoughts of Nigerians as to how we can deal with the issue of police brutality. What Nigeria can do about police brutality is to educate the police people. They should organise for them and re-educate them to value people. So once they value people, they begin to treat people nicely and they communicate with people correctly. I think education is very much important. They need to be educated. The Nigerian government should like, in fact, if there's any means to like scrap police in Nigeria as a whole, I will be the happiest person. If the government can put in place some measures to change some people, put the people that are learned enough to tackle this issue of police brutality because for me it's not really good because the thing is really messing up especially the young youths at hand. You're really, really disturbing them and for me I don't really like this. We consider some certain things and change a lot of things. Let's try the officers in charge of those kind of acts. That's a very big problem because the police also, they are angry and the angry man is an angry man. So what I would say is let the federal government looking into police. In fact, if somebody is a thief, he's a thief, no matter what you do, he can give him billions of Naira, he will continue stealing. But what I need is let them take them to a place that they will take them for check their brain. If that person is okay before he gives them the Nigerian police uniform because he is serving the masses and give them a good package. Give them a package, look at their station, if you go to their barracks, their station is nothing to write about. Uniform, they buy with their money. That is just it. Here's my take. Now, we've seen that the problem in this country is not necessarily the fact that we do not have laws. It's not necessarily that we do not have strategies on how to make sure that things work in this country. The problem in Nigeria is us, the people. Yes, because these police officers that we are complaining are brutalising us, are stealing from us, are wrongly putting us behind bars. Our fathers, our brothers, there are uncles and our friends. But you see, every time we bring up the issue of police brutality in Nigeria, it seems it's like us versus the police. But the police officers do not understand that we're here fighting for their rights. So, to the police officer who's watching, we're not the enemy, we're not the problem, we're trying to fix the system. Yes, of course, every Nigerian needs to understand that they have rights, we all have rights, but how many of us understand those rights? So, it's important, first things first, be educated on your rights, know your rights, then stand on those rights. But then, on the other hand, the reason why we had ensars in the first place was so that government will understand that they have a duty to these police officers. You cannot give them guns and not put food in their belly, pay them, kits them properly. You cannot give a man a gun. What do you expect to happen when you give a man a gun, a hungry person a gun? The problem is not us, police officers. The problem is the leadership that we have in this country. They have continuously not allowed for us to do the jobs that we've been assigned to do. And this goes beyond the police, it goes beyond the army. It is a Nigerian problem. You go to a civil service, let's say ministry, they do not have what to work with. They basically don't, so you go there and they ask you to give them 1000, so they can go and photocopy your paper and give it to you. But you say they're corrupt. No, the system is corrupt. And we, the people, need to start today. It starts with us, me, you, mum, dad, everybody do the right thing. We refuse to do the wrong thing, even if you're under pressure. Because if we start that way and start leaving our offices, we say, well, sir, if you're going to sack me, sack me, tell the truth at all times, we're helping each other when we begin to stand on our right and do the right thing. Please say no to corruption, because it's not just the politician who's corrupt. We aid and abate them, the commissioner that you're pointing fingers to, the minister who you're pointing fingers to. That man is able to steal money because of the people who are in the system, the permanent secretaries, the directors. Even the receptionist, we all have a role to play for Nigeria to be a great country. We all have to say no to corruption. I am Mary Annacol. Have a good evening.