 Okay, well, let's go ahead and get started. So first, if you can please add yourself to the agenda. Is there anything that is not on the schedule that people would like to talk about? So it's quite a short agenda today, so we may have a short meeting. Okay, so as always, we have three conversations or three talks. Do we have Geoffrey on? No, we don't. Okay, so we have this particular call. We have every other Monday, we have the CNCF telecom user group talk. The next one is this coming Monday. That is interposed with the NSM document call, which occurs also every other Monday. So the CNCF telecom user group occurs every first and third Monday. The NSM document, sorry, the NSM use case call occurs every second, fourth, and fifth Monday. We also have an NSM document call every Wednesday at all of these are at 8 a.m. So the NSM document call, the reason I was asking for Geoffrey was Geoffrey was going to bring it up today to talk about the frequency. So we've gotten a lot accomplished on there and he's talking about reducing the frequency to perhaps a bi-weekly, but I think he's probably the best person to drive that. So in terms of events, we have a talk accepted into the DPEK user space, which is going to occur in Bordeaux, France. And so this is where we talk about where is DPEK being used with conjunction with NSM. And I also want to talk about where I see the future of DPEK also in relation to NSM. That is going to be on sometime between September 19th through 21st. We have Open Networking Summit coming up in Europe. The call for paper is closed. And I believe we're still pending to see what the results of that are. We have Open Source Summit. The call for paper for Open Source Summit is also closed. We had a talk by Nikolai submitted and a talk by Radislav and Ivana submitted. One is an intro and the other one is experiences on building a CNF. We have in November 14th through 15th, we have Istikon. So Istikon is going to occur in Sofia. The call for paper is already been closed and Ivana's talks has already been accepted into it. We have KubeCon North America. Call for papers closes in July 12th. So three days for now. So if you have not submitted a talk yet and you intend to do so, now's the time to do it. If anyone wants help putting together a talk, definitely also feel free to reach out to me or to Ed or to Nikolai and we'll help you put together and compose your thoughts. We definitely will have talks. We have to make a decision on project intro then deep dive. And we're given the option of two 35 minute talks or one 85 minute talk. And so we may opt for the longer period and in order to show off some more advanced information but that's something we'll have to discuss. I also will be submitting a talk as well. So I've been working with the tungsten fabric people to get them onboarded onto and together I'm onboarded onto network service mesh. And so if all that goes well then we should be doing a talk with them assuming it gets accepted. We have EnvoyCon coming up and the call for papers close or proposals calls is finished on July 12th. So let's see, EnvoyCon, I don't think we have a location for that listed. That'll be in San Diego. It's co-located with KubeCon. We have Edge Computing World. So that's a new thing that's coming up in detail or to be announced. It'll be December 10th through 11th and that'll be at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. And we have Edge Congress in Austin coming up on November 6th. So if you have any other events that you think would be useful, please add them on here. And with that, we have the social media community team. So I believe I saw Lucina on here. So Lucina, you have the floor. Thank you. Yeah, great. So the end service mesh Twitter account gained 17 more followers this week and followed 56 more accounts. We tweeted and retweeted 11 times posting about KubeCon China recap stats videos of network service mesh talks. Also reminded folks about the CFPs due for KubeCon North America and EnvoyCon. Retweeted an interesting Cisco podcast talking about serverless and network service mesh and found an interesting article why telcos are going cloud native. This week, I plan to search for mentions of network service mesh, retweet those, engage with those, post about upcoming events, make the announcement for the initial release when available. And some more reminders about CFPs closing this Friday and take a look at news coming out of OSS Japan which is starting next week. It looks like the OVS orbit podcast interview was recorded and the OVS orbit folks are taking a break until August. Do we happen to have a release date of the network service mesh podcast? So the recording was postponed because I got really sick. And so it's postponed until this next Tuesday. I think it's next, yeah, onto the 16th. Oh, okay, sounds good. So once that happens and then we'll give as many details as we can without spoiling the fun. Looking forward to it. Hope you're feeling better. Thank you. And there's a remaining item on here from last week, the call for demos at the Kubernetes community meetings which are held Thursdays at 10 a.m. Pacific time. Ooh, interesting. We'll have to see if there's something that we wanna show off in one of those. Yeah, it seems like an ongoing thing. I don't think that it is urgent for this week. And it actually looks like their future demos are booked through the first half of August. Okay, so let me see, demo slots are 10 minutes. Yeah, we'll definitely have to do something with that. So that'll be a fun one. So in terms of KubeCon, is there anyone here who is putting something forward? Yes, I believe on behalf of the CNF testbed and network service mesh, integration, Nikola Yang Yu and Taylor will be submitting a CFP to KubeCon North America. Okay, so I've also, yeah, just to make it a bit easier for people, I've added a quick template of information on here so that it's more about, if you wanna know what questions are asked, then that's a list of all of, it's a list of most of the questions. There's a couple of questions I left off, but there's a template that's useful on there. Let's see, with that, I don't think we, we don't have as many people here today. Excuse me, so the agenda is a bit short. So is there anything else that anyone wants to, that anyone wants to talk about? Okay, I got one last thing then. Is there anyone here who has experience with tungsten fabric? The reason why I'm asking is where I'm going to be giving a talk on Thursday to their, I think it's their technical steering committee. So they have one every Thursday at 10 a.m. And so I'm gonna be describing what network service mesh is to them and seeing if we can get support from the team. That way that we can get someone to start building tungsten fabric support into some NSM stuff. So if anyone has any experience with tungsten fabric then definitely ping me. Cause one of the things I wanna make sure that we do is we find the alignment between us and them. And I am working with a team member of theirs to help find that alignment. But additional information from others is definitely helpful. And oh, yes, thank you, Lucina. Do you need to have hardware? Do you need to have specialized hardware or do they have like a simulator or something for something? So in terms of specialized hardware, I don't think there's any specialized hardware that's necessary for it. So it is a software-defined network and they have a, so they have something that's similar to VPP. It's called V-Router. And so my understanding is that they can add V-Router in as a, one option is just a southbound data plane in Kubernetes. A second option would be similar how we stick VPP into a pod and then we program special services. They're actually actively working on something that does that. A third option is to include services from an existing Tunks and Fabric implementation using ENSM. It could have special hardware attached to it, but it's not necessary. They do apparently have the ability to drive special hardware though if it's available. Does it answer your question? Oh yeah, thanks. Cool. Yeah, so I'm gonna see what we can do with that up. Let's see, Lucina added one other item as well. Do you wanna talk a little bit about that, Lucina? Oh sure, I attended the CNCF TOC meeting last Tuesday and the SIG Security Group had a brief presentation and they are one of the first approved of the new CNCF Special Interest Groups and it's a Special Interest Group Security and they are putting together their first five security assessments of CNCF-hosted projects. And I noticed that, or and also in Toto is a pending project. They will be giving a presentation today to see if they're voted in as a CNCF-hosted project, not yet included in the CNCF. But in Toto is an example of one of the assessments that will be done by the Security Special Interest Group and OPPA, Open Policy Agent, is a sandbox CNCF project which is in progress. And I noticed that to be scheduled network service mesh is listed. And so I wasn't sure if the SIG Security Group had reached out to network service mesh yet, but I thought that it would be good to have that on our radar. If there's anything we can do to prepare or at least be aware. Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. So yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to the security assessment. So I mean, there's definitely a lot of work that we need to do. I don't think this project will succeed without good security assessments and us spending the time to make sure that this is a secure solution. And so one thing to think about, we're not going to push on this at this particular point, but one thing to think about is I would love to be able to get additional companies who also do their own independent security assessments on network service mesh. And the more eyeballs we can get on this, the better. But once we're a bit further along, then being able to get several companies too who are depending on network service mesh or want to depend on network service mesh to bring in these third party independent security assessors, I think would be hugely beneficial. So keep that in mind. And if you think of, then you know of any group who or company who would be good in that particular space, then when the time comes and we're a bit more mature, we'll definitely ask for recommendations and for help in making that happen. So the first one will definitely be this, well, almost certainly be this CNCF provided one though. So let's see. And we had one last one posted to Slack, we're post SIGs for CNCF. So with traffic of being listed as a new SIG. So yeah, thanks for pointing this out. I was not aware of this. And so, do you know what the process is by any chance for this? On last week's TFC call, there was a verbal, does anyone have any other SIGs you'd like to propose? No one verbalized it in that call. And I believe there's also a submit a pull request and answer a few questions through GitHub. Okay, so the place to watch is GitHub for the creation of it. It's a new process. So I'm not entirely sure of all the details. I think in the TFC meeting notes after it was verbalized, does anyone have any SIGs you'd like to propose? I think it was followed up with, here's a link that you can follow. So I can look into that and share what I find. Cool, yeah, not too important at this point. I just wanna make sure that once, if this SIG does get started, that we're on top of it and we can make a decision on, it's better to look at it and make a decision. Like, is this something that would be useful to get involved with? Or not rather than not attending because we didn't know about it. So definitely thanks for bringing this up. And so yeah, so let's keep an eye on that. And I think that is something that we can definitely help with. Great, with that, is there anything else that anyone wants to bring up or how we can yield back half an hour of time? Seems no. Cool. Well, with that, thank you everyone. We will be meeting at the same time next week. So we'll see you all then. Goodbye. Bye. Take care.